FROM CNN's Jack Cafferty:
The clock is ticking down in Copenhagen with some suggesting the legacy of the two-week long climate talks will be nothing but chaos and failure.
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Things pretty much ground to a standstill yesterday: Thousands of protesters clashing with police outside the meetings - While inside, negotiators expressed frustration that they would likely leave empty-handed. At best - a weak political agreement that wouldn't do much about combating global warming. One key meeting ran 18 hours behind schedule.
The plan was for the 115-plus world leaders to show up today and tomorrow and bargain over the final details... Not gonna happen. There are still no answers about how much to cut carbon emissions, how to prove the cuts are made and which nations should pay for these changes... along with a stand-off between China and the U.S.
Although some are still holding out hope - others are already talking about holding another international climate summit in Mexico City next summer - months ahead of schedule. One UN official says without a real deal in Copenhagen - it would be better to put off big decisions until the next summit.
Meanwhile after racing to wrap up business in the House, Speaker Nancy Pelosi is headed to Copenhagen, leading a 21-member bipartisan Congressional delegation. Pelosi - who's reportedly using at least two Air Force jets to get this posse to the climate summit - says the meeting is all jobs ... creating millions of new clean-energy jobs for Americans. Sure.
Here’s my question to you: Are chaos and failure the legacy of the Copenhagen climate summit?
Interested to know which ones made it on air?
Bill from Leesburg, Florida writes:
Who do you suppose is funding the failure of climate change legislation: energy companies or folks who live near the ice flows, oceans, or fishermen, etc.? If there is doubt about global warming, let’s wait till it’s too late to correct. The damage that could occur with cleaner air, water, is zero.
The U.S. has disgracefully shunned Kyoto for years. Why, exactly, would anyone be surprised to see us spurn the Copenhagen summit? We're supposed to lead by example, instead we lead by hypocrisy. If you're an elected official (I'm looking at you, Inhofe) and you dispute the claims of global warming that over 90% of all world scientists have agreed upon, you're too greedy to serve this nation. After all, we know who your re-election money is coming from, now don't we?
What is with you people? This is about international income redistribution with our environment as the Trojan horse.
Jack, Remember that a journey of 1,000 miles begins with one step. Your level of cynicism makes me sad.
James from Canada writes:
I hope not. I heard that Obama is working the phones, trying to reach some kind of deal. I think at best, we can hope for a framework deal, with the final binding agreement to come next year in Mexico. Hopefully, China will accept the monitoring of their emissions control. This is not a biased measure against China. Every country would be subject to monitoring. It just happens that China is the biggest polluter. Hopefully something can be salvaged from this conference.
Tony from Columbus, Ohio writes:
Due to the amazing political machine here in the U.S., it will be spun as a success no matter what comes out of it. Anyway, what genius would have a global warming convention during December in Scandinavia?
Absolutely ! That was apparent upon reading the Phil Jones E Mails that involve trickery regarding climate numbers (he was the head of the IPP that was the lead for the Un and Others) – he's resigned. The head of Copenhagen Meeting stepped down yesterday aswell.
There should be some criminal investigation into what has been going on. Follow the money is invariably the answer – rip the American taxpayer off is the goal always.
tampa, fl elitists flying solo in private jets summed up the attitude of what was going to be accomplished. and that was those with the dough getting to party hardy and not have to show up at work for a few days.
Did anyone else notice the four inches of snow that fell in Copenhagen as they're discussing so called 'global warming'? The irony is delicious!
Hopefully. Climate changes, and blaming it all on man hides the affects of the sun on the whole situation. How about the tempereature of Greenland when it was discovered by the Vikings? Or did cutting down trees for ships lead to the heat wave then? Besides, the future of the earth is to become a burned-out cinder as the sun consumes itself. Let's see Gore stop that one...
And, oh, by the way, how can anyone put any credance in cap and trade? You mean that all one has to be is rich to get out of sharing in the misery of capping his emissions?
Climate change will lead to chaos and exctinction of the human race.
What I want to know is where are we suppose to get the money to pay the poorer countries to implement changes? Maybe Dopey Pelosi can get her way and we can borrow more money from China to give away. The legacy for the summit will be curses foiled again.
Someone needed to make it imperative that the subject be considered by the world. Maybe China would have been a good start.
The Copenhagen Climate Summit
I took a stride on the corridors of power
and as I went up the echelon tower
to find men gifted by the great bestower
but I found most men had brains of cauliflower
the rest were also vegetables, but even lower
Sums up Obama's first year!
The Summit isn't over yet. How about you wait until it is before you start causing trouble?
Are chaos and failure the legacy of the Copenhagen climate summit?
No. Some good came out of it. This is a global issue that is going to take a global response. If we can't get 100 Senators to agree to do what the majority of the Americans want, how can we expect world leaders to respond to what their citizens want.
Jack: Unless China and India agree to reduce their carbon emissions there will be environmental chaos. China and India are the worst air polluters in the world, or has everyone forgotten the pollution issue during the Chinese Olympics. The Europeans Union, Russia, and the United States have stricit air pollution laws with enforcement. Chaos will continue if India and China does not stop pollution and allow global warming to decrease.
There is no point at all of holding a "climate summit" until the United States, China, India, and all of the other big polluters sign an agreement to stop polluting the planet. No amount of money sent to small nations as an incentive to become "green" means anything if we do not commit to the same policies.
Yea, The earth entering a cooling trend was a major setback for the climate cash summit. But, I expect we will see undying persistance by the engineers of climate cash towards the ultimate goal of a new form of global taxation, cap and trade. Redistribution of wealth from our hands to theirs. Next they could try hiring a group of lawyers to represent the trees, suing mankind for the wholesale slaughter of their ancestors. Wow, the paperwork that would create...
Of course is a Chaos and a failure but who cares. Obama will have a nice trip on board of Air Force One. That's all he does. Spending taxpayers money. Climate Summit is a theatrical insult and impertinent imitation for the love of our planet. Is not a priority.
We all want to keep poluting but no one wants to pay for man's death to our planet. What a sad lot we have become.
Anyone who thinks anything positive is going to come as a result of this meeting is living in fantasy land. Getting the world to agree to spend money on something they don't see as a problem is pretty much impossible. Look at our Congress as a fine example of that.
Pelosi and her group can create the new jobs here without going to Copenhagen. They're polluting the air and wasting our money unnecessarily. Hasn't anyone told her about the deficit? DUH!!
The Republican Wingnuts are already celebrating the failure, so I guess the world will get worse and worse.
Why do they want everything to fail except the Insurance Companies and their Churches??
At this point, hopefully! Gotta tell ya, Jack, any of these elected 'representatives' vote to hand out billions$$ to developing countries for this big global warming 'IF' should be impeached! And, can you believe Pelosi? Still sold on the idea that MILLIONS of 'green' jobs can be created! This goup in DC can't seem to create ANY jobs! Anyone with half a brain, and the 'elected' in DC, too, know that the manufacturing of these green jobs will not be done in this country. Hell, we've already had at least one company using stimulus $$ to buy wind turbines from......get ready.....CHINA!
With Nancy Pelosi involved......yes. Really hard for us to swallow the dire need for this when they are flying all over on their tax payer provided private jets screaming we need to save the planet. Pelosi fails to mention how many jobs will be lost and how much this will cost. Would be best to work on it again at a later date, which is why Pelosi is jetting over there now.
I am please to offer my comment to your program.
Having leaders from over one hundred and fifteen thousand countries together is chaos from the start! All politicians does is talk, talk and no agreement. I would really like to know the total bill for holding the summit.
Yes and the summits will still be. If someone does even a little research of their own the question comes up is this really for real or just to make some very very rich. That does not include Mr. Gore who is in it for the right reason but he is not in control others are in control of this whole scheme. It is a sham Jack.
Unless countries like the US, China, Canada and a bunch of others are willing to face record high prices for everything you can think of, a massive drop in the amount of consumer products available and 40 to 50% unemployment all these talks are a waste of time and money. If all those demonstrators were told they would get everything they wanted but you can forget about having a job or any other income for the next 30 or 40 years do you really think any of them would have shown up there? No way.
In order for this to happen, everyone has to be on board. Pelosi and her crowd just want to take a vacation by going to Copenhagen at our expense. China and a few other countries will never go along with changing their routines. The only ones to gain will be companies manufacturing gas masks that we may some day have to wear.
Hi Jack –
Yes ... it will always be an abysmal disaster. When was the last time that you saw any endeavor where the representatives of the climate summit covered the stakeholders from both sides ... those that create green house gases/pollution and those that desire to curtail the concern.
It is very easy to state a goal ... politicians and scientists do this very goal. But as long as the stakeholders that are affected by a reduction goal are not part of the solution how would you ever expect the climate talks to be a success?
Jack ... here is a better question for your readership to respond to ... "Would the money that has been spent on research and the politics of Climate Change been better utilized if it was provided directly to the industries to reduce pollution and green house gases?"
How much money has been poured down the preverbial poopshoot of science that qualifies as useless knowledge. It is a noble cause to increase this wealth of knowledge, however, if these climate czars across the world only pontificate upon an issue, how does this help the realization of reducing pollution.
There is an old adage in design ... "at some point, we need to shoot the engineer and build the product; you cannot afford to make it perfect".
Perhaps if the climate talks had this as a goal, it may eventually be viewed as a positive event.
Chaos and failure in Copenhagen to reduce global warming is no different from the chaos and failure taking place in Washington to reduce deficit spending and the national debt. Jack, I would include the word Terror in your question and suggest the terrorists are not outside our borders but within the Washington D. C. beltway. America's political leadership is out of control.
Gary in Scottsdale, Arizona
I don't think so, Jack. The legacy of the Copenhagen and other climate summits is the legacy of the ruling generation–the baby boomers–who have failed as elders. Its the me-me-me culture to blame, not any invisible hand of chaos. The people involved in debating the issue aren't qualified for the authority they wield–they are illegitimate power brokers.
Well Jack, when a majority of the leaders [including our PM] pass on the speeches to have dinner with the Queen of Denmark [why am I thinking of the Grand Duchy of Fenwick !! :} ] I am led to believe that whatever comes out of this bloated 'whale' will be wordy and have little merit in the long run !!
Yes. While they are flying over there on their private jets they are racking their brains trying to come up with a way to cut carbon emissions. I am sure Nancy Pelosi on her private ride over there will come up with the answer........more tax and spend.
The chaos and failure was there before the summit even began. With dissent and disbelief in "global warming" being belittled at best, and attacked at worst, those who attended already had their minds made up before arriving in Copenhagen. And far too many of them arrived on private jets, getting into fossil-fueled limousines to be driven to their hotels and around town. Not exactly the image that lends "credibility" to the ideas which this summit supposedly embraces.
Jack, yes. The climate summit is an agenda driven exercise whereby socialists want to burden the developed countries with even more taxation. It's not so much about climate change which is a natural phenomenon in nature but about government control with the dreaded cap and trade policy which is making corporations wealthier and the average citizen poorer in order to accommodate the latest loony leftist idea. The British are already experiencing this. The many jobs to be created as Nancy Pelosi and others have suggested will be in the form of government apparatchiks making sure that nobody steps out of line much like the environment of Communist Eastern Europe in the 1950s.These people do not deal in common sense ideas.
Yes and it look's like Al Gore and president Obama are going to foot America with the world cost .
The summit is not over – hope for the best. The key to getting China's cooperation is Trade but we seem afraid to broach this.
We cannot afford to wait. Green technology is a multi-trillion dollar business. As a nickel and dimes investor, I am looking for promising green technology stock. I might add that I do have money invested in a Chinese solar technology company, and that stock is doing quite well. So I have a vested interest in Copenhagen.
In addition, if you were to read Our Choice by Al Gore, you would find a whole wealth of opportunity in green technology. The truth told green technology and success at Copenhagen is a big win-win for everybody on the planet, and if we cannot see that possibility, then we are blind.
Also truth told, we can't afford to fail. If Copenhagen "Fails" – then we have no alternative but to try again and again and again. We only have one planet. The survival of the planet is at stake.
Chaos, failure and stupidity. It's like the fish in the ocean holding a meeting about how to stop the tide. Pointless, wasteful and at worst harmful to our quality of life. The best thing that can happen here is they all go home empty handed. Let's see real science done on the subject before we tax people into oblivion for breathing.
when the end comes, jack, you lose your job because there is no earth.
If that photo is nick it looks like global warming has changed his appearance. Pelosi and her merry crew could avoid generating a lot of extra pollution by staying home. What a waste of time and fuel.
Chaos and failure will be the only thing that I will remember from the meetings in Copenhagen. It's really a shame after such a big carbon footprint they left getting there they couldn't have come to some kind of agreement. I expect some time in our future the environment will be taken more serious but then it will be too late.
It's plain dumb to think that there will be an agreement among 115 world leaders who all speak different languages. They need to set up a Commission of maybe 20 of the leaders from throughout the world and have them come up with a plan and reccomendations. Once something concrete is ready then convene the 115 leaders and put it up to vote. As for Pelosi,WHY does she have to go over there? I hope she doesn't get returned to DC. She needs to stay home and bake cookies and play with the grandchildren.
you better beleive it that it is all about jobs at home and abroad because climate change impacts will be very expensive if we do not face it now and limit the damages! Hopefully, the legacy will be to commit to an agreement to invest now and further move forward and contribute to reduce climate changes and all its negative impacts!
Why, were we expecting to see the rich share or change their energy providers? Costs are bad for profits.
But, it was a great party. Ask all our republican congressmen if they enjoyed a nice Scandinavian Christmas shopping trip at tax payer expense?
No. Transfering a great deal of money from the U.S. to other countries will be the legacy. It's not about the climate. It's about punishing the success of our capitalistic society.
You get over five people in a room and the chances of them reaching an agreement is about one percent.
Chaos, failure and a HUGE carbon footprint. It is politics as usual. Everybody wants something to be done, but nobody wants to pay for it. Meanwhile Glacier National Park is running out of glaciers and the icecaps are melting.
That climate change is foulish and just another way to waist goverment money.we can't do any thing about it. We need to just live and go on like we always have. They didn't need to go to copenhagen.they need break free from them foregn countries.We need to get back to the declaration of independence.
When Pelosi's involved...yes...it it doomed from the start...
Remember when the tabacco indusytry sent those shills in front of Congress to tell them smoking wasn't addictive, see the similarties here?
Yes chaos and failure are already the legacy, and it's not concluded as of yet. Another carbon spewing trip at taxpayers expense! And pledging $100 Billion...don't get me started Jack...
Jack, I believe that some of our "good" members of congress are receiving way too much money from their lobbying buddies to be grounded in the real world. Anybody that doesn't realize just how much carbon emissions is hurting our planet and its people should be sentenced to life in Los Angelos or better yet, Hong kong.
Chaos and failure are the legacy of the Left, period. Green is the new Red, Jack. Having failed at destroying capitalism by fomenting worldwide revolution and even by threatening the world with nuclear oblivion, the Commies and anarchists are turning to the soft sell of environmentalism to enslave us. But like the Marxists of old, they have also built their castle on sand – human nature (yes, call it greed or call it survival instinct) will win out over any goofy or fake theories about global warming and the coming catastrophe that "academia" can dish out. I can't wait to see that lunatic Prince Charles' saggy face when he sees the world is still going strong in 5 years, despite his apocalyptic rantings about its imminent demise.
Most general populations around the world are not aware there has been a meeting of any kind in Copenhagen. The participants have no answers and I'm not sure they even know the questions. Who picks these people as experts and why is it run by the U.N? Their rate of successful operations is close to nada.
Two weeks...no one will remember Copenhagen.
Looks that way. But wait! Pelosi and her posse are flying to the rescue. Perhaps all is not lost. If she applies her persuasive skills, we may yet see a turnaround.
The insurance industry owns the republicans and looks like they are buying up some democrats. My suggestion is to deport congress and keep the alliens.
The country has survived for over 230 years without health care reform, so what makes us think the it will not continue to survive without Health Care Reform. Health Care Reform could be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. Yes, we can survive without it since it's being so hidden to everyone's eyes. No one knows whats in the bill. I'm retired and living on a fixed income and not even getting a cost of living raise when Congress votes themself a 2% raise.
I say throw all the bums of Washington out and perhaps we can start with a clean slate
To think the world's nations could all agree is a lovely thought but perhaps a pipe-dream. Wealthy countries don't want to give up their standard of living and poorer ones wonder why they don't have the same. Class envy is almost as old as the 'world's oldest profession' so why would it go away in this instance? The human looks at his/her current situation but looking down the road 50yrs is impossible. Idealism is lovely, but reality always rears it's ugly head!
oh yes this is the best thing to happen about this it's time to celebratre well hopefully they get nothign done
I hope not. The cost of doing nothing is enormous. One indication of the rising temperature is the melting of glaciers and snow cover. The ice and snow reflect the sun's rays away from the Earth. As the ice and snow disappear, the sun's rays are absorbed by the blue ocean and dark earth, thus adding another source of heating.
As the ice melts, the oceans rise, causing flooding.
Wake up, Americans.
Al Gore and His "theory" has contributed too this state of nonsense. Al acts like he is God and no one else is right but him. Gods word calls that a false prophet. Yes this has led to choas, its totally cold in Copenhagen and these people would have others close their eyes. Looks like God is speaking from the heavens, to rebuke these information manipulators. As a beleiver in Jesus Christ, my HOPE is in Gods plan of a restored earth, not in Al gores, a rich, plane flying, grade a hypocrite! A man who can't handle debate. How can anyone take such leaders seriously!? Its SNOWING on these blind guides! God bless!
I think not Jack,Hugo Chavez was given 5 minutes and spoke for 30 minutes,and with rounds and rounds of applause. That alone should tell us how the wind blows,and if it is not blowing money from us to them it is not a good idea.
No the U.S cannot survive without Healthcare reform. Budget reconciliation is the only answer for them to get it passed and with a public option. As a Brit living in America, it makes me sick to see what those who oppose reform are trying and able to convince many of the American people of. Follow the money! Those who oppose reform get more money from the health insurance companies than those who are for real reform. The misleading tv ads against reform are disgusting. I'm lucky. My wife works for the county and has good insurance which covers me, but I'm still fuming because I care about this country that I live in and my kids will grow up in. You know the biggest problem Jack? Not enough people are paying attention and getting involved. 1. Follow the money. 2. Look at the facts! The U.S spends about 50% more of GDP than other industrialized countries and people die younger. Pay attention everyone please and get involved. Joe Lieberman is a disgrace! In the pocket of insurance companies. One of the problems is people are afraid of the unknown. Some Americans think "sure my insurance is expensive but what if reform makes healthcare worse". The scare tactics are working. A Public option is just an option and the idea that Insurance companies can't compete is ridiculous! Example: in the U.K everyone is covered by the NHS but I could afford private health insurance so I got some. I paid the equivalent of $100 per month. My GP doctor visits were still free through NHS. If I needed to see a specialist I could see one the next day through insurance. I would pay $200 for that initial consult. If I required further care I was totally covered with no out of pocket expenses. Public option now for Americans! If Obama reforms healthcare, he will be the best President this country has ever had, because in 20 years no one will believe what they put up with before. Fight dirty Obama – budget reconciliation. Cheers Jack. You rock and so does Papa Smirff Blitzer.
Jack it will be unless a news organization such as yours gets the list of the more than 2000 scientists that support Human caused Global Warming and do a survey to determine the degree they actually support this theory. It would answer a lot of questions and we would see who would put their careers on the line to back this science.
Nothing is real in Copenhagen – not the temperature record, not the predictions, not the agenda, not the “solution”. In fact, here’s how fake it all is:
Maniacs in Copenhagen are voting on your future. President Hugo Chavez gave a speech and brought the house down.
He said the process in Copenhagen was “not democratic, it is not inclusive, but isn’t that the reality of our world, the world is really and imperial dictatorship…down with imperial dictatorships” he got a rousing round of applause.
When he said there was a “silent and terrible ghost in the room” and that ghost was called capitalism, the applause was deafening.
And at the end of this speech, Chavez rouses the rabble with more anti-Americanism:
"I don’t think Obama is here yet. He got the Nobel Peace Prize almost the same day as he sent 30,000 soldiers to kill innocent people in Afghanistan."
Then out comes the begging bowl, to be filled by those very same evil American capitalists:
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton sought to put new life into the talks Thursday by announcing the U.S. would join in raising $100 billion a year to help poorer nations cope with global warming.
And then a mass-murderer lectured us about our crimes:
The anti-American theme was picked up on by Mr Mugabe, Zimbabwe’s veteran President, who is the target of Western sanctions over alleged human rights abuses.
“When these capitalist gods of carbon burp and belch their dangerous emissions, it’s we, the lesser mortals of the developing sphere who gasp and sink and eventually die.”
...So moving...We may have finally found a method for maniacs like Mugabe and Chavez to drop dead.
Without a doubt it is a failure.
No, I think it will turn out o.k. Give them credit for working toward making our world cleaner.
We need more positive people. Either you are for cleaning up or against it, which is it?
The gang of NO, that is rioting, must have lost their mind, maybe it's the tea baggers.
It's a "no brainer" that it is necessary to get this started.
In a word, yes.
What I want to know is this:
If we do NOTHING, what is the expected outcome?
If we do SOMETHING, what is the expected outcome?
Which would be best for the planet and mankind?
If global warming is real and we do othing, can we survive?
If global warminng is not real, and we do something anyway, can we survive that outcome?
Do the scientists really care? do the rich people? Do the people who want to do nothing think that they are so special they will survive no matter what?
No Jack, the legacy will be the massive carbon footprint from all of the "holier than thou" fools like Al Gore flying their private jets half way around the world to discuss something (global warming) that isn't happening.
Chaos as in Al Gore and failure as in Obama 1+1 = yes.
Denver reduced it's brown cloud bunches by using natural gas to fire it's power plants. I understand the idea that countries like China and India need to provide affordable power to their people but can't they do more hydroelectric and gas fired plants? China built a dam on the yangse river (yellow river) that provides hydroelectric power. The least they could do is promise to make some more plans like this. I am thinking all of this is too little too late anyway but it would be nice to try to slow down the global warming. It all starts at home in my mind next time you go somewhere that you can walk to walk.
Who knows, Jack? What I do know is that we are facing a serious problem, Climate Change is real. This is so similar to the debate about tobacco causing cancer, and all the faux-scientists that the tobacco companies brought forth to dispute the evidence of smoking causing cancer!
How about Galileo who was imprisoned for telling people that the Earth revolves around the sun!
There will always be naysayers, people who refuse to see the facts. I just pray for our grandchildren's sake it is not too late!
Jack, just getting China and the US President to attend a Global Climate change discussion is a step in the positive direction.
Bush jr., repeatedly stone-walled and avoided such direct talks himself for the past 8 years. On behalf of his Big Oil friends and family, he obstructed any real reform to making America's Air and Water cleaner and more healthy.
Its likely this Global Climate meeting is going to come up short in attempting to tackle a wide range of difficult climate problems.
The Republican lawmakers obstructed all such attempts when it would have been easier and more possible, now the range of options are limited as are the results if any.
Progress is always impeded by profit.
The sky is falling, the sky is falling! If the sky is really falling do you believe that these "experts" have the answer. The answer if true would be, no more trains, planes and automobiles. Trucks, factories, wineries, distilleries and don't forget the people. Yeah, it really means mass neutering. People are the cause of global warming through their daily lives. Is the answer nuclear powered factories, the flux capacitor?
I believe in good-old Darwin. I think he was and is, right. And who will survive is the fittest. I just wish I was born a cricket!!!
Let's stop the debate, because, that's all we are doing. I suggest we start manufacturing life rafts. The poles will soon be melted and we will be surrounded by water. We currently have 300 million people in this country. Thats a lot of rafts. This could potentially save lives and put people to work. Two birds with one stone.
This whole copenhagen thing is pretty much just gonna be a finger pointing event. Chaos, no, just a bunch of elected officials going home afterwards scratching there heads and wondering whats for dinner, is Tiger Woods gonna play golf again and is Sarah Palin get a new hat for Christmas from Joh McCain...
Rock Hill NY
The amount of money being spent by our own corporations to defeat climate legislation is more destructive than problems at Copenhagen. The lies and half-truths beaming out of your television are again damaging the truth. Big oil will win again and we will pay for it at the gas pump.
Yes, it's a shame too because we are headed for some big climate changes and we wont be ready.
I am sick of hearing the left say everyone has a “right” to healthcare. Any act which requires hard earned money to be taken from one individual to give something to someone else is not a “right.” Healthcare costs are going up BECAUSE of the government bureaucracy, protections, idiotic rules, and meddling. And now the very bureaucracy which forced up prices and restricted competition are telling us they can take our money, force us into ill conceived programs, save the world, and do a better job?? No. Not with my money.
Jack. We can't even come to terms with concepts like Global warming and carbon footprint within the US. With 50 individual states looking out for their self interest we can not develope a national energy policy needed in this county. Multiply our stupidity by however many nations comprise the international community looking out for themselves and, of course, this thing is doomed to failure. By the way our world lives in chaos cloose to 100% of the time so I wouldn't count on anything constructive until it is way past too late.
Unfortunately it appears headed that way.
And in 20 years when the environment is beyond repair we will still be in chaos and failure. Blaming one another, not doing our part because someone else isn't just like little kids, the greedy will find some form of confusion to add doubt; it all proves the adage, the more we try to change the more we remain the same.
There is a four letter vulgar word that is often used with the word "cluster", that appears to be our mantra in most everything we attempt to do these days.
Yes, just as most endeavors will continue to be a failure until we resume being a society for which demand for facts, and exercise of common sense, critical thinking, and intellectual honesty is second nature. The argument is now around the validity of climate data. Competency to make such an determination requires the ability to assess whether the study design, analytical methods, data collection, and data interpretation methods are valid and adequate. When most of us have an opinion about that which we aren't qualified demonstrates that we collectively don't have the competency to solve much of anything.
Fact is, the planet IS warming – that is not the dispute Fact is there IS a huge amount of man made pollution of all sorts on our planet already that has harmed our oceans, wildlife and atmosphere. So what is the big problem for the disbelievers about trying to clean up our act as a global community for the betterment of our childrens future? Who cares if so and so makes money while cleaning up the planet. As long as it get done it is a win win situation for all.The disbeleivers are bunch of short term self centered thinkers in my book.
Looks like it. Seems familiar, though, like our town halls this summer. When will we realize that big business (energy here) is in charge and anything we try to do to jeopardize their bottom line is strictly prohibited? Wonder how much this disruption cost big energy.
Looks to me like it's up in smoke.
I believe that global warming is going to result in the demise of the planet. It is absolutely necessary to have summit meetings regardless of the outcome.The legacy will reflect the interest and progress or the complete stupidity of the nay sayers.The same damn people who or blocking everything we are trying to do that is worthwhile are going to lead the herd over the cliff..God help us. Gene
Chaos and failure is already the legacy thrust upon us by leaders that are idiots and fools. They have sold this country to big business whose sole interest is profits and control.
Jack, You bettcha. The only legacy from this meeting will be the billions of dollars(or whatever) spent getting these people there, wining and dining, and of course Deeluxe accomodations. These people can't agree on the color of the sky, much less how to quit polluting it. It's a sad joke and soon enough no one will be laughing (or denying) it any longer. Layne A. Antioch, Il.
I was educated as an science educator in Earth Sciences, a curriculum which is now virtually extinct in the schools. For the human population to think it can control "climate" is a rather grand form of arrogance. While it is possible to screw the lithosphere, the atmosphere and hydrosphere up (wars, aircraft, nuclear detonations, internal combustion engines and for example, oceanographic sonar blasting by naval powers...like an underwater boom box to sea life and likely beaching whales by deafening them) reversing the damage by just stopping the input is fantasy. Much irreversible damage has been done. To be sure we will find out, or our mutated progeny will.
Chaos and failure are two of the words. Corrupt, money grabbing, pointless, rhetorical and absurd are others that need to be used when describing Copenhagen COP15
Depends on how you define failure. If TMZ can get a good shot of Nancy Pelosi's new Swiss Watch after the summit, it may not be a TOTAL failure...
The point is that there is NO legacy to the Copenhagen Summit because nothing beyond a Scandinavian holiday vacation has been accomplished. Let's leave the chaos and failure legacy to those who deserve it: The United States Congress with the Obama Administration first runner-up.
As a teenager, the future of this world ecologically is the future of MY world, on an immediate basis. While I, too, am disappointed by the lack of results out of the Copenhagen convention, news like the Congressional Committee flying over or a proposed talk in Mexico doesn't insult or appall me. I am proud of my country and our worldwide community for doing something to effect a very immediate future. Please continue to publicize this issue and we can set our nation's agenda to a greener, healthier future for all of us!
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Yes. Its a big farce Jack...Lets just put the icing on the cake with Ms. Pelosi joining in...Need I say more?
The USA has disgracefully shunned Kyoto for years. Why, exactly, would anyone be surprised to see us spurn the Copenhagen summit? We're supposed to lead by example, instead we lead by hypocrisy. If you're an elected official (I'm looking at you, Inhofe) and you dispute the claims of global warming that over 90% of ALL world scientists have agreed upon, you're too greedy to serve this nation. After all, we know who your re-election money is coming from, now don't we?
Obama + Al Gore + Nancy Palosi wheres Opra this looks like a bid for the winter olympics all over again except this trips going to cost America any way it goes we loose.
Just like anything the us government is involved in it is destined to be a dismal failure. Our government is out of control. Something has got to give or we are done. These idiots are running our country into the ground and making us a laughing stock amongst the world. The only constituents they serve are the ones who bribe them shamelessly with lobby money. As far as Nancy Pelosi goes, her days in politics are numbered. I am from California and even we think she is dropping the ball.
The one way this summit is a success is it shows that the republicans stand alone against the whole world in thinking that man-made global warming is a hoax.
I think at least for now, any talk on "climate change" fails before it begins. The issue has become to politicized to reach any sort of consensus, and we are ALL paying the price. Instead, we need to focus on fixing the immediate and tangible problems that we have caused, such as the giant floating garbage dump in the Pacific. We may not be able to agree on how emissions impact the climate, but I hope we can all agree that they aren't all that great to breathe, and that fossil fuels are not a long term option. Drop the inane debate and DO something!
What is with you people? This is about international income redistribution with our environment as the trojan horse.
I hope not. I heard that Obama is working the phones, trying to reach some kind of deal. I think at best, we can hope for a framework deal, with the final binding agreement to come next year in Mexico. Hopefully, China will accept the monitoring of their emissions control. This is not a bias measure against China. Every country would be subject to monitoring. It just happens that China is the biggest polluter. Hopefully something can be salvaged from this conference.
What makes anyone think the world can get together on climate change? They can't get together on anything else. Thus is the unfortunate lesson of history. Money and politics equals nothing BUT chaos. Copenhagen fiddles away while the world burns.
Jack, You missed one word. FAILURE Where is the common sense?
Selfishness, all they can think about is how much they will lose, instead of how all mankind will benefit from a cleaner environment, and being free from another nations oil. All they really need to do is to make an agreement to all build massive wind turbine farms, Geo-Thermal farms, and Earth Based Solar farms which will reduce theirs and our use of oil buy 50% by 2020.
At best it is simply chaotic and a failure. At worst they accomplish their wealth redistributionist goals. At worst the world will be strangled by their commitments to carbon consumption and output when the data on causation is suspect. They will have it in Mexico in summer and it will be 105 degrees F outside and they'll push it through and we will be beholden and the worlds climate will continue to change as it has for millions of years.
Tucson, AZ – Human beings call ourselves Homo Sapiens, "thinking man." The result in Copenhagen shows that this gives us far too much credit. The fact and cause of global warming have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. There is no advantage whatosever to be gained between nations by demanding someone else go first to a solution. There is no value in saying, "what if we do something and they don't?" There is only one earth – it is like the rowboat – a hole in the boat under your seat sinks us all. Never mind this global treaty crap – every nation that wishes not to face diaster must do all it can, as fast as it can, to mitigate this problem, while there is still land ice left on earth. The nation that gets off carbon first will beat the economic crap out of all the others, because non-carbon sources have zero ongong material costs – once the capital investment is made, the electricity is, in effect free. How stupid can humanity be – "Homo ignoramus?"
What are Pelosi and 20 representatives doing going to Denmark? Except for spending money on their Christmas shopping, there's nothing they can contribute there. It's a complete waste of tax payers money. She doesn't have a clue.
Climate change must start on the local level. These large governments are like American auto companies. Slow to change and behind the times. I live in San Francisco and we are so far ahead of the rest of the country in the simple concept of recycling that I find it amazing whenever I leave the Bay Area. We are going greener and greener everyday and that is thanks to the local government. They aren't waiting for the feds to act because we know there's too much BS to deal with and too many people to appease. Local, local, local. That's where we will fix this thing.
damned if we do and damned if we don't so let's take the lesser of two evils and do nothing that way we can say we told you so. works for me. forget about the Indian in the 70's who was crying for our mother earth.
Due to the amazing political machine here in the U.S., it will be spun as a success no matte what comes out of it. Anyway, what genius would have a Global Warming Convention during December in Scandanavia?
It appears that no matter where a summit between world leaders takes place, there is always a majority of peaceful protestors who are infiltrated by anarchists bent on raising hell. I often wonder how these people are subsidized and what they do for a living other than breaking windows & setting fires. I suggest that in the furture, these summits be kept secret until the day it begins.
Jack, the history of mankind is a legacy of chaos and failure. In spite of that legacy, we have managed to make progress from our days of cave dwelling to the present. It's never easy. It never will be. But still we soldier on.
Remember the immortal words of the great inventor, Thomas Edison.
"Genius is 90% perspiration and 10% inspiration."
When the Ghost of Christmas Present reveals the urchins under his robe this year, the ones that we should fear most of all, surely they will be named Chaos and Failure.
Yes, it's chaos and failure. Oh wait! Were we talking about the Health Care Bill or the Copenhagen Summit? Doesn't matter the answer is still YES.
Due to the amazing political machine here in the U.S., it will be spun as a success no matte what comes out of it. Anyway, what genius would have a Global Warming Convention during December in Scandanavia?
The Copenhagen Climate Summit has shown to be exactly what the AGW (Man-Made Global Warming) Movement is, a vehicle for the redistribution of wealth, power grab by politicians, and great taxation scheme to extract trillions of dollars from tax-payers – – all based on junk science proven to be fraudulent via Climategate. This is all about money and power and has absolutely nothing to do with saving the environment.
Is the Summit a failure? Of course it is! BECAUSE it is now proven that there really isn't a climate change. How can they continue to push this summit on a bundle of lies and misinformation. Tell them to all go home and have a Merry Christmas.
Absolutely not... we've made a complete 180 since the Bush years. We've gone from not even going to the table, to going to the table and putting food on it, however meager. The important thing isn't that we get a perfect deal, but that we continually make progress. The current "deal breaker" at the summit seems to be that China doesn't want international transparency into the measurement and verification of its CO2 emissions. But even if we can't get past that, it'll become moot when NASA gets a new CO2 measuring sattelite into space. We solved the ozone hole crisis. We can solve the climate crisis too. It'll just take time.
Why does it take 21 members of Congress to do this task on behalf of the American People???? You are so right Jack that Speaker Pelosi and these members are going shopping on the American dime. Although working on saving our climates is very important, the current American approach under this Democratic administration is everything must be done now, today, or by a date in the very near future–rather than taking the proper amount of time to come up with the best solutions to the problem. This summit will be seen in the future as a failure. God help our children, their children, and their children who will be tasked with repaying all of the money this current administration is borrowing and spending to "get things done immediately".
Due to the amazing political machine here in the U.S., it will be spun as a success no matter what comes out of it. Anyway, what genius would have a Global Warming Convention during December in Scandanavia?
Were all going to die December 21st 2012 any ways the scientist says so . and im not buying into that one either.
Jack- I didn't know there were so many Republicans in the world. It seems that the rest of the world has now ALSO decided that self-interest over-rides any attempt to compromise. Why can't folks understand that making some progress is better than doing nothing. Now the attempt to fix the World's environment will go the way of the US health care bill.
The talks need to fail. Last week on your network morning program Al Gore took a viewer question. ' What part of the CO2 in the atmosphere comes from human sources?' Mr. Gore responded that the majority of CO2 was from human activity. The fact is less than 5% comes from human activity with 95% from natural sources. Why does anyone listen to this man?
Chaos & failure? Try 'Totally wasted boondoggle' – & when I hear Nancy Pelosi is jetting off to attend the Copenhagen conference I elevate the level of this economic debacle to 'pandamonium'
It's a failure to all mankind which will be followed by chaos as the earth erodes around us.
The simplest answer to your loaded question is, sure. But "chaos" is actually more relevant to the whole problem than many realize.
One thing that scientists and mathematicians do know about the earth's immensely complex climate system is that it is what they call a "chaotic" system. One aspect of that is the so-called "butterfly effect": very tiny disturbances (like the flapping of a butterfly's wings) can cascade into immense impacts, like a tornado. The key fact about such chaotic systems is that they cannot be realistically represented in simplified computer models, and their future evolution cannot be predicted with any degree of confidence.
So the "Climategate" scandal really is a distraction from the failure of both media and politicians to recognize the two scientific truths about which there is not merely a consensus of opinion but solidly accepted knowledge: Climate change of one sort or another is inevitable, unpredictable, and beyond the ability of public policy or technology to control.
What can and needs to be done is to refocus public policy on the need to improve the resilience and adaptability of our too-fragile infrastructure to handle a wide range of uncertain future climate conditions.
I am happy the climate change conference is in chaos. Its obviously the sun that governs temperature on this planet and not carbon dioxide. Also co2 is one of the four basic elements along with oxygen, sunlight, and H20. We breath it out when we exhale and the trees in turn give us oxygen. Its part of the cycle of nature. The summit attempts to create a world wide climate bureaucracy based on a carbon tax and trade scheme so that certain individuals can get rich and consolidate more power. Global warming is a fraud and the the average global temperature is now decreasing. Glaciers melt in the summer and they expand in the winter. In the last 2 years the arctic ice in the north pole has increased to 30% in doubled in thickness from 2 meters to 4 meters.
There a bunch of brain dead nuts .They should talk to themselve and leave the planet to real people
The richer countries have consistently failed to follow through in providing development aid commitments agreed to at previous international summits, so it is not surprising that there is a lack of real funding to address climate issues. To solve this problem we need to impose a carbon tax. Those who produce more carbon pollution pay more taxes, and a carbon tax is simple to implement. Substantial amounts of money will be raised through a carbon tax that can be used to pay down the national debt. A carbon tax should also provide incentives to spur innovation in American industry and create jobs.
Yes, the Copenhagen Conference is a failure,....and I'm glad.
Good riddance to that staged media event.
It's deliciously ironic that that conference is ending
amidst a literal snowy blizzard that is forecast to hit Copenhagen.
I personally stand with those who say that this Global Warming
is just another periodic climate episode humanity has experienced since the last ice-age and not manmade (over 9000 scientists agree with me).
Yet I respect those who disagree with me if htey live out their convictions.
However, many celebrities like Al Gore, who disagree with my views, do not live out their convictions; with all those VIP limousines in and private jets to Copenhagen and their large carbon footprint..
Why wasn't the conference a video-conference if its VIP
representatives really believe in manmade Global Warming?
That's why I have lost respect for the person of former VP Al Gore,
though not his former office.
Al Gore has confirmed to me during this travesty of a conference
that he's not only an egotistical pompous jerk, but a hypocrite as well.
Posing your question in such a cynical way does not encourage positive responses. The climate summit has sparked a hot debate. Don't throw cold water on the fire.
Dear Jack – It would seem that the main benefactor of the proposed health-care program will be...Mexico!
There were less than a billion of us on this earth in 1800, far less than 2 billion in 1900. Now we are 7 billion just a century later. Copenhagen is a total waste . We're all barking up the wrong tree.. It's high time we all follow china's lead on population control.
Those are a good choice of words. What concerns me is this group of people think they are going to save the world. Climate change has been occuring for millions of years without Nancy Pelosi's help. Pollution does need to be addressed but to think they will refreeze the Arctic is naive. We could start cleaning the air by grounding Pelosi's jet entourage!
It takes a while to do the impossible. The USA has committed to a concrete improvement. China has committed to a concrete improvement. The EU has promised help to poor countries. If we get nothing more at this time, that is pretty good. This is a huge problem that affects everyone - it is not going to be quick or easy to solve. There isn't even agreement yet that there is a problem. While one nation sees its entire country disappearing under water, a couple of other countries are thinking about millions of square miles of new farm land. I don't think that anyone realized the extent of the gulf between us and China before the meeting started.
It's OK to expect miracles, but don't expect them so quickly.
Jim, Craig, CO
Let's hope so! John D. LaLonde, Elsie, Michigan
Chaos and failure will also be the legacey of Polosi, if she's the best that district in California has to offer, all I can say is god help those people
Your comment stating that Nancy Pelosi was going to go Chistmas shopping on the tax payer's dime is not only inaccurate, it fuels the out-of-control hatred of the government that is poisoning our democracy. There are plenty of things to complain about on both sides of the aisle but you should make an effort to at least refrain from hyperboly and misinformation that serves to divide us all even more.
Oh, the climate change is real and man made. The change is that more energy is pumped into the system: higher highs, lower lows, more rain, more snows, and oh, the droughts. It is only on average the temps rise.
Did any one think the rich were going to share or change their sources of energy? Change costs money and hurts profits.
But it was a great party. Ask the republican congressmen how they enjoyed their Christmas shopping trip in Scandinavia, at tax payer expense.
This is a great vacation and shopping experience for congressioal leaders and others who have the luxury of vacationing in such a great place. Oh and dont forget to mention the super great plane ride on the best and costliest gas guzzling planes on earth.
Some of these blogers still believe in Santa Clause.
Home-grown deniers like Palin and Texas governor Perry think there is no such thing as global warming and think Al Gore has gone to hell. As long as we have these types here and abroad that think like this and spread chaos and spew hatred in response to facts so they and their cronies can make a buck via big oil, how can such a summit succeed? How cannot other countries seize on this and use this rhetoric to backpedal their countries efforts?
Republicans are the party of big oil – Texas and Alaska especially with their history. The legacy I'm seeing is that big oil and its Republican minions are, like HMO's, fighting against anything that affects their profit margin and denying any fact or truth inconvenient to their making profit.
Jack I am tryiing to figure out what the Climate Chaos is all about. Excuse me folks but I think it is a situation that is over blown news, and that their are more important news to discuss example jobs, money for low income people, health reform etc. Good Grief use some Christmas Spirit for a change.
That's like asking is marital infidelity and being a bad husband the legacy of Tiger Woods!