FROM CNN's Jack Cafferty:
Congressman Charlie Rangel played the race card in the health care debate. Rangel says racial bias and prejudice against President Obama because he's an African-American are behind the opposition to health care reform.
U.S. Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY)
Rangel stated: "Some Americans have not gotten over the fact that Obama is president of the United States. They go to sleep wondering, 'how did this happen?'"
It's a cheap shot and probably just about the last thing that President Obama needs in the already-heated debate. And it's even more of a cheap shot coming from Rangel, considering the fact that the chairman of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee, is under investigation for several ethics violations.
Mr. Rangel was forced to file amended financial reports to the House Ethics Committee after it was discovered he apparently "forgot" to report millions of dollars in assets and income. Just another hack politician who when the going gets tough resorts to race politics.
The Washington Post is calling on Rangel to resign as chairman of that committee.
But I'm sure he's not going anywhere - any more than Governor Mark Sanford of South Carolina or Larry Craig of Idaho or any of a number of so-called public servants who use their elected office as a way of avoiding the rules the rest of us live by.
For his part, Rangel says it's not fair for him to comment until the ethics committee wraps up its investigation. In the meantime, he should just go away.
Here’s my question to you: Is Congressman Charlie Rangel, up to his ears in ethics investigations, out of line in saying race is at the center of the health care debate?
Interested to know which ones made it on air?
Pugas from Arizona writes:
Rangel is one of the biggest frauds in the government. It is time to show him the door. We do not need his big mouth blabbing about this "race issue." He has hung his hat on that BS for as long as I can remember. Send him home to clean up his own financial mess (maybe while in prison). Diverting attention away from his shady dealings is not going to work.
Suane from McComb, Mississippi writes:
Jack, You know he's right. That's the bottom line: race is the whole thing feeding the Birthers, the Tea Partiers, the don't-speak-at-my-schools, and those gun-toters who claim their 2nd Amendment Rights have been infringed upon. Man, the whole thing is that they just can't stand to say that a black man is the Commander-in-Chief.
Penny from Muleshoe, Texas writes:
Charlie Rangel is in the game for Charlie Rangel, period. What Rangel failed to mention in his speech about Pres. Obama is that Obama is half white, too. Look at Obama’s birth certificate, Charlie, and you will see that. What he achieves as a half-black man he also achieves as a half-white man, Mr. Rangel. Everyone knows Obama’s race and where he came from and we do not need people like Charlie Rangel trying to redefine that for us. Obama will stand on his own merits. Unfortunately, Charlie Rangel can not.
Tim from Hot Springs, Arkansas writes:
Of course he is. The issue isn't race, it’s color. Unfortunately for Rangel's cause, the color isn't black or white, but green. It's always about green.
Timothy from Texas writes:
Charlie Rangel is a walking, talking, example of why term limits on congressmen and congresswomen need to be put in place. Seems like the longer you stay in Washington, the more delusional and out of touch with reality you become.
When I hear the words, "I want my country back" in the town meetings, you wonder: Back from what? Back from a black man?
Yes he is. It has nothing to do with race. If I wasn’t on Medicare, I’d be in deep doo doo right now because I can’t find work. This mess affects all of us who are in a ditch at the moment. Did I mention I’m white?
Not at all. That's what your right wing southern nut-jobs are REALLY protesting about.
I am white and have to agree that RACE is affecting what is best for this country. We have needed healthcare reform for a long time, but it looks as if ignorance is going to keep us from being a "GREAT NATION" again. The fear tactics from the Republican's has created the dumbing down of America. I live in Denison, Texas and know how bad racism is in Texas. What a shame that we cannot get past this in America. We have much worse problems to worry about, such as, healthcare reform for all!
I forgot to say, I am an "Anglo Saxon" Canadian. Sounds silly, doesn't it? Why are not "African- Americans" just Americans? As long as there are labels, there will be racism.
I agree it is a cheap shot, and not productive especially coming from Rangel. But I can't help but wonder if there is not a germ of truth in it. After all, some of the parts of the healthcare reform were originally formulated by more moderate Republicans - all old white men. If it were a President McCain presenting this reform bill, would there be such argument? I rather doubt it.
Before anyone jumps with both feet, I'm a 59-year old white woman living in Texas. And I am heartily ashamed of Hutchinson, Marchant, Cornyn, and most of all, Governor Perry. All I can say is that didn't vote for a single one of them!
Jack: I think it's not really a race issue, but health care reform is definitly a class issue, and unfortunately, there is a disproportionate number of minorities on the poverty level. Take a look at the so called Town Meetings: it's a bunch of white senior citizens worried about rocking their cozy boat. You don't see Blacks or Hispanics rallying against Health Care Reform. As a proud former New Yorker, we became accustomed to Charlie Rangel going over the top every now and then and creating great bait for the radical right. Looks like he has done it again, but there is some measure of truth in what he is saying.
Even though Rangel is up to his eye lids in problems, I do think he's right about the race issue and the health care debate. I mean this country must be filled with idiots to NOT want to listen and figure out this most important problem in my lifetime. Healthcare NEEDS to be fixed and soon or else us baby boomers are in deep "you know what".
Cheap shot or not, he is correct.
I agree 100% if President Obama, was White this would not be happening. I have watched Carter, Regan, Bush(1) Clinton and Bush(2) speak Live during school hours and NEVER has there been one Iota of concern. Since this man of African decent is sitting at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue its all type of chaos. Get over the fact he is African Decent, and get back to what's important "LEGISLATION"
You can't paint him, change him, he is here to stay! No matter how you want him gone, he isn't gong anyplace. Either learn to deal with the issues at hand or simply "hush up" when your children are fighting a national war here in the states on "Race" because you as simple minded parents can't get over the fact "Slavery" is over we no longer work for you! Grow Up! We Overcame! So Should You!
You allow your children in their private areas of your home to listen to African American music, they know more if not more than most African Americans, and then you wonder why the country is in shambles. This is it...America the Great Racist Country hasn't learned yet...but it will!
The insurance companies and drug industries are at the center
of the REFORM controversy. They have much to lose if President
Obama succeeds in his plans and will spend billions to discredit
him. Big business has this country in a DEATH GRIP.
Jack when every thing is fair play to the point of attacking him (the president) for a speech that was meant to inspire our youth, one would have to say that it's very possible race has a place.
People thought Michelle was an angry black woman during the race.
People thought that he was a pro muslim radical.
People thought because of his pastor that he was a holy roller with a vengence for white people.
People thought that he was born in a foriegn country.
People thought he was ratially motivated
And it turns out that it is the people and NOT the Obamas that are the problem...
When I see him with his children enjoying his family supporting them in their lives it makes me sick to think of the ones who attack him. Hypocrite's... It just may come back to haunt them and their families
Race has nothing to do with the healthcare debate. What is at the center of it people of all races are losing their Health Care and the ones that have it will not be able to afford it too much longer. Plus all the lies and scare tactics used by the politicians and organizations that oppose a healthcare bill, scare the hell out of everyone.
White male here.
The debate is based on economics, but is divided primarily along racial lines. The 'haves' don't want any more of their tax dollars going to the 'have nots'.
People are fed up with paying for housing projects, and Medicaid, and all the other handouts that go to the poor (primarily black) people. The 'welfare baby factory' mom that doesn't have a job and doesn't know who are the fathers of her children.
Everyone knows that there needs to be healthcare reform, but they don't want to have to use more tax dollars for the 47 million that don't have insurance.
I am so tired of the "Left Side" always bring up the RACE CARD. 1st our president is only 1/2 black, so it could only be 1/2 the Race Card.
2nd Rangel is only trying to get the attention off of him, about all of his "forgetfulness". Why don't this man just Man-up and resign, just like everyone wanted the others to do. Its time for both sides to clean-up their own party, and also cut out all of this Lobby money. Between the money wasted on Lobbyiest and the money both side have wasted on their big givers that would be a good down payment on health care for all of these people who can't afford or don't want to pay for it.
All you have to do is to look at the town hall signs to see that for the Right Wing, the issue is race. For others, probably not.
I do believe that America has gotten so lax with things going on it needs to be Reminded just what the African American can do. If they don't want to pass Legislation on Health Care because he is black. Let's start shutting down business, and strike up some Non-Violent Marches, get back to the Old Way of working America, and see how many Whites now stand with us! Its this residue of past generational curses that spue this madness. Let's take it to the Streets and March on Washington and through these communities and neighborhoods, and really give them something to talk about!
Rangel is probably out of line. Race is a factor, but it is less a factor in the healthcare debate than republicans who can't get over the fact that they lost the election, but they did lose. Republicans only want to hand this president a high profile loss. Too bad they don't care about those of us out here who are uninsured and underinsured and going broke paying higher medical costs so insurance executives can reap their multi-million dollar salaries and bonuses. Bi-partisianship is overrated. These republicans did not come to the table with honorable intentions. The democrats should go it alone. It is the only way we'll get healthcare we can afford.
Rangle is one of the biggest frauds in the government. It is time to show him the door. We do not need his big mouth blabbing about this "race issue." He has hung his hat on that BS for as long as I can remember. Send him home to clean up his own financial mess (maybe while in prison). Diverting attention away from his shady dealings is not going to work.
Congressman Rangel is way out of line here. His comment is actually racist! He has actually bragged that he doesn't read the legislation he votes on. He is the best argument for TERM LIMITS!
Have A Great Labor Day Weekend!
I agree with you Jack, this guy has no right to comment on this situation,,especially since the race card is how he chooses to comment on it. This has nothing to do with race, not in anyway. It is a heated debate, that is for sure but the color of our presidents skin has nothing to do with it. This crook of a politician needs to crawl back under his rock and stop with the stupid comments.
Hi Rep. Rangel. A piece of advice: How about we leave the divisive speculations to the media and the special interests? Sure you’ll agree they’re doing a banged up job of fueling the on-going theatrics in our public discourse. I highly doubt that they’re any short on fodder. The same goes for all the other congressmen who seem to have missed the boat. How about a little more advocacy, and less activism? Who knows, we might actually start to find some common grounds some day.
rangel is a least half right
No, I don't think Congressman Rangel is out of line with what he said about race and the health care debate. While I oppose President Obama on many important issues, including health care, I can't help but notice how stupid people have resorted to rascist jokes and comments about his presidency. They are all over the Internet. Rather than take time to study the issues, many people take the easy way and just attack him based on his race. Little do they realize that this rascist approach only hurts whichever side of the issue they are on.
No it is the truth. Why would Republicans bring Hilter material and guns to a Health Care Debate. Why have they make up thrie mind they are going to say NO to everything the President does, yet they allowed Bush to run the United States to the ground for eight years.
It is the God Awful Truth President Obama is being targeted because he is black.
There is a healthcare debate? I thought these town halls were all about gun control and longing for an America that never existed, when we had no laws, and everyone fended for themselves like good patriots. The portrayals of the President as a nazi, a communist, a socialist, the phony birth controversy, and on and on, are certainly about race. Its all aimed at people who inherently distrust Obama and question his legitimacy, even though there were no fixed voting machines or Supreme Court decisions to help him into office.
No Jack. We have been discussing this at my kitchen table for some time now. Race is at the center of health care reform. The Republicans hate the fact that a democrat sits in the White House and that guy is BLACK! Racism is alive and doing quite well in this fair land of ours. And Jack, I am 69 years old and white. I thought when Bush left I could be proud of my country again. No such luck. Nothing has changed in over 100 years as far as respect for Afro-Americans. We are finished, our nation is tarnished, painted with a broad brush of prejudice.
In as much that Rangel`s career in the grey area of ethics, I will give him credit for calling the cards. I don't think it is such a cheap shot. Millions of US Americans were "uncomfortable" with the concept of a non-white president.. Those attitudes have not changed and the GOP is doing its best to support and advance that mindset. Jack, it's a big diappointment to the rest of the world that the US continues to be a racist country. This is frequently shown via GOP opposition. Have a nice evening.
Is there anything the dis-loyal opposition can leave alone? I've been involved in politics most of my adult life, and have become accustomed to the sometimes crazy things folks can say. But, when it comes to our kids ... our children ... the future of our country ... it is time to tone down the rhetoric, or even better, not speak at all. Let's let the President talk to our kids in a meaningful way. Maybe he can inspire them the same way JFK did in the 1960's regarding physical fitness.
Rick, Medina, OH
I can see where Congressman Rangel is coming from but I really think it is more about greed than anything else. Sickness dosen't care what your color is. It is just another peice of wool being pulled over the eyes of the public by the insurance industry and our elected officials selling us out. How do we, the people have a chance with the lobbyist that are pouring so much money in the hands of the politicians.
From Mr. Rangels comments one would have to believe that HE's the one with "colored" glasses on.
At the moment this half baked Healthcare Bill is not so much an Obama Bill but a Congressional Bill and those against it are looking and judging it on a MUCH more local and personal level. "How does it affect ME??"
Race, gender, religion, political party, nor sexual preference are NOT major flags and me thinks that Mr. Rangel should consider giving his race a break and not use them as an excuse for EVERYthing he sees as "wrong with America." Our ills in this country are MUCH bigger than race!
What debate? Most of this Health Care talk is about silly words like "socialism" by people who apparently haven't read the Constitution. This is all about "oppose whatever President Obama does, says or thinks, even if its the best thing for the largest number of Americans." Some of the loudest talkers are apparently opposing the President because he is black, and that is what is the sickest feature of this whole topic.
All you have to do is see the townhall meetings and listen to what "some" of the people are saying or what they are wearing or what they are holding up. They can't get over the fact that President Obama won the election. Racial problems in the good old USofA?? You Bet'cha !!!!!
Of course it's about race, and if Rangel is dirty, let the justice system take good care of him...one has nothing to do with the other.
I've seen on other "news" shows people at Town Hall meetings waving the Confederate Flag, what does that convey about the "United States of America". And all the other nonsense that they "heard" and was told to repeat, at their meetings.
It's funny (not really) to see how many people waving that flag with no clue of the issues. Some seem to be on general assistance (welfare, social program). Some seem to be on Medicare (social program).
The point is they( ClusterFOX, Rush, Beck, O'Reilly, name your own radical wackjob fringe) call Pres Obama a ,"Socialist". These people are against the very programs, their on, or about to be on. Unbelievable! Absolutely, clueless. And they VOTE!!
If the "Party of No" had the answer, why didn't they come up with it? Probably too many lobbyists getting in their way trying to get to their offices!
jack, the fact that race (and xenophobia) is playing a role in the way the far right is going after OUR president needs to part of the discourse. the fact is that the violent imagery, the horrible language and attacks, the lack of respect and the lack of common decency, the continued mob mentality shown during town hall meetings, would never be thrown at a white president. who was the last president whose birth place was challenged? who was the last president who was actively and vociferously wished dead? who was the last president who had people with guns protesting outside town hall meetings? if someone can explain to me how this president is so radically different than clinton, johnson, kennedy, carter that he deserves this treatment.
Loss of faith is in their own lives and faith in others…!
We have the far right wing of the Republican Party discouraging parents to allow their kids to watch the President of the United States give a speech next week where he will be encouraging them to stay in school and get a good education. What this craziness really is about has NOTHING to do with education .... it's their chance to demonize the fact that we have our first African American president..... it's a pathetic, dangerous and ugly portrait of a party that can't get over the fact that he won the election. The "birthers", the "Birchers, the right wing talk show hosts and even some Republican congressmen are inciting radical extremists to emerge... loaded guns at town hall meetings, "Hitler", "Nazi", and "Communist" signs displayed everywhere by angry mobs.....all of which have nothing to do with health reform. They just hate Obama.... it's getting very dangerous.
The congressman is on point.
For anyone to claim that race is not a factor in much that is going on has their head in the sand.
I have never seen a president so scrutinized by the media, polls being announced every day and anything and everything the man does, commented on, mostly negatively by the press.
And, the republicans are so angry about losing, then to do so by a
MINORITY is more than they can handle, consequently, much more
than normal attacks.
I wouldn't say race, but rather an innate hatred for for progressives.
Lastly let's wait until the verdict is out on Rengal, before we accuse him of violating any ethics clauses. We had that patience for another certain ex governor of Alaska, now didn't we?
What "cheap shot" are you talking about? You may not like Rangel, but he's absolutely correct that racism is behind the hatred that the right has for Obama. That is just a simple, obvious FACT! Take this school brouhaha, as an example. Old Bush, Dubya, reagan, Clinton, and other presidents have done school indoctrinations, and nobody said a word. Let Obama open his mouth, and the republican assassins are on it like flies on shi*t, as they are on absolutely everything he does. I've never seen such hatred, and the incitements to violence are seditious and even treasonous. I can't even imagine anyone attacking bushboy like this. Their a**es would still be rotting in a prison in Kazakhstan. It's beyond comprehension. Not only is there racism in the health care "debate" against Obama, it's also a bunch of white trash who are damned if they're going to have their tax dollars going to provide health care for a bunch of "lazy, poor people". Please read the "N" word there, because it's what they really mean. Get a CLUE, Jack. Racism rules this disgusting, backward, illiterate, vile country. RULES it.
No, regardless of Rep. Rangels personal problems he is right about the race factor. You have a part of America that hate the fact that we have a black President and they are willing to block health care reform that would benefit them selves. Now thats some serious hate.
Charlie Rangel, Jesse Jackson, are over the top and are an embarrassment to the Democrats just as Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich are over the top and are an embarrassment to the Republicans.
They are extreme in their positions and have caused a lot of waves in the media, yet majority of Americans such as me, do not respect these guys at all and do not pay any attention to them!!!
People have been paying attention to Republicans showing up at townhall meetings with "Hitler" signs etc. and using their "swiftboat" tactics... they look as stupid as Rangel...
No, Rangel is not out of line....he is just falling into race line !!
I am simply p.o'd, and weary of it all, yet it continues. No one mentions reverse discrimination, and I am acutely aware that is not politically correct.
There is just a %, NO MATTER WHAT RACE that will repeatedly use the R word as a badge of whatever...........
Judie / El Lago, TX
Rangel as usual is on another planet from reality. The same oppostion existed under Bill Clinton. Was that racially motivated? Maybe Congressman Tax Evader should consider that just maybe people are opposed to Obama because he's the biggest flaming liberal in the last century and his policies are bankrupting us.
Race is only one factor in the health care debate. Although it is a big one, so is class. It seems to be the rich that are fueling the fires and inflaming the poor to act against their own best interests. Where is a modern Ghandi or MLK to protest the entrenched idea that if you are poor you don't count?
I am a Democrat saying this Jack. Congressman Rangel has been caught with his pants down and it ain't a pretty sight. He needs to pull them up, pack up and go home to one of his (John McCain) many homes.
No, he's not out of line. As an African American and given the political cloud of these times, nothing can be ruled in or out. I'm sure, the Republicans are looking for a Democrat to bloddy politically since most of their crooks were exposed and sent to jail during the last the administration. This is just the game they play in Washington, "You get us, we get you back." Besides, he's innocent until proven guilty.
He can't say anything rational so he's playing the race card. He needs to get over it already.
I'm so sick of hearing this race card bullsxxx. Don't the black leaders have anything else they can say to promote their agenda. This is getting really old. CNN doesn't help either.
It's about time the black leaders change their tactics to motivate the the young blacks growing up. The young blacks in college don't need this stuff. They are smart and want to get ahead on their own merits. They need inspiration from their leaders. The whites voted for Obama because he's young, so where is this race card boloney. Ninety percent of blacks voted for Obama, if there was any racism there it is, Only10 % voted for a white president. Why is that. If only 10 % of the whites voted for Obama you would see riots on the streets.
Anyway old black leaders are outdated, Rangel is one of them. .
It is absolutely behind the GOP hardliners attack on healthcare reform. The majority of these nitwits actually believe that "illegal" immigrants (Mexican nationals) will be eligilbe to receive healthcare benefits, while a good majority believe that unemployed, drug dealing gang members, and their pregnant girlfriends will make money off the system. And we all know that only African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans are the only gangbangers in the US. The GOP Congressional members do a disservice to their country to allow this type of rhetoric to continue.
Dear Jack: These people are showing the World, That being a racist, having no respect for the President, teaching children to be racist and have no respect, for anyone of color is the American way. I am a African American woman and because of the Right Wing talk that gives them their"freedom of whatever thay want to say and do" is not only causing problems for our President but for all people of color!!! I see it every day. What is this Country comming to?
What planet does Congressman Rangel reside on? The biggest issue over health reform is Congressman Rangel and people like him. Put simply, he is so much into narcissistic greed he can't see what is really happening. The issue is that Congress cannot be trusted to effectively develop a national health care system. There are too many people doling out cash and too many politicians taking it in that the American people are totally forgotten. How can Congress look at Wall Street and condemn the greed when they are surrounded by it at a point that is much worse than Madoffism.
Of course race plays a part ub the controversy over health care and every other thing that the President does.
I have actually heard people say out loud that they hate the Presidnet because he is a black man. Of course, he is white too, but he doesn't LOOK white, so that lets the racists blame everything on his color. I lived all through the civil rights movement in the 60s and saw the violence that went on. Frankly, the "undercover" racism today is a lot more frightening than the open violence was way back then. It's a real shock to hear some of the racist comments that are being made.
Too bad there is not a COLOR for STUPID, because that card could certainly have been played any time in the last eight year term!
I just completed a Master's course in Ethics and Issues for a school guidance counselor's degree, and what I see in Congress is a awful lot of unethical practices being used on both sides of the aisle. To wit, the current Conservatives calling for parents to have the schools boycott the President's speech on education. The real problem I guess is that we have a real EDUCATED President for the first time in 8 years and the conservatives and Republicans don't know how to cope.
It seems to me when you run out of facts and the truth, the best thing for me to do is say it is a racial issue because I'm Scotch-Irish..I want to have equal rights..
I live in what is probably the most right wing, anti-progressive and narrow minded area of the country, and I can tell you that everything about the President being of mixed race is deeply frightening to these people. I don't care if it's health care reform, finance reform or reform on anything, white Republicans are scared to death of a man of color in such a powerfull posistion. They are cowards, and are willing to ruin the country to protect their racist beliefs.
Race, that's the only card Rangel knows how to play. He expects anyone who can pay taxes to cover every expense of those who cannot. enough is enough
In this case a spade is not a spade. Greed is at the heart of Rangle's ethics problems just as much as it is the motivator behind crushing health care reform. Throwing the race card into the pot only gives greed a place to hide and work its evil thoughout our government. This is yet another tactic used by the $50K suits to keep us off-ballanced and ignorant of their true intentions.
Ah-ha! That explains why Bill and Hillary failed to reform health care.
I don't think Congressman Rangel is out of line at all; in fact, I think he's right on point. While there are some people who have expressed rational, legitimate concerns about health care, there are some who clearly have another agenda. The idea that President Obama is a "Nazi" or a "socialist" is simply outrageous, and this thinking has evolved from the same place as the ridiculous claims that Pre3sident Obama wasn't born in the U.S. These people were just looking for an excuse to express their anger over a black president being elected, and the health care debate has provided one.
Was it race when the Clinton's tried it? And was Rangle out in front with them back then? It is time the public knows some facts they will find hard to accept...that between 70 and 80 percent of government entitlement programs are delivered to white people, not minorities, and this yet to be indicted member of congress thinks the negativism is towards the president, black or white.
He definitely forgot where he came from, but he knows not to go back.
Charles Rangel is probably right. Even considering his personal problems. You should read the garbage I get from, via the Internet, my right wing friends.
When all else fails, play the race card.
You can tell that Obamacare is truly in trouble when Obama's allies and supporters start playing the race card to defend Obamacare.
I'm not a racist. I'm not against Obama because he's an African American. I'm against him because I don't like where his Marxist and Socialist policies are taking America.
I just hope that this great country can survive until 2010 when the Democrats are voted out of control in the House and the Senate and Obama is not re-elected in 2012.
Charlie is an Old School Politican with a worn out act. When he gets cornerd and can not stand the inqusition, he palys the race card to get minorities to rally around him so he looks the inocent victum. This is not about race, it is about illegal activity and crime.
In Truth he is a thief, accepts graft and pay offs. He is a shapeshifter and is only loyal to those who pad his pocket. He is out-dated and exposed. It is time for the Thief to depart Washington, not just the Committe Chair.
Where is a good and just Attorney General when you need one?
Jon in Tennessee
I believe Charlie Rangel is totally correct. All of these protesters are venting their anger at having a black president by using fake outrage over the healthcare reform bill. If they didn't want a black man in the white house, then they should have voted for John McCain! They need to act like adults, suck it up, shut up and quit acting like little chidren throwing a tantrum!
I agree..when you have people saying I want my country back. You know darn well what they are saying. When their IS a birth certificate and it is being challenged with comments like "I am not sure where he was born". When you have people using Presidnet Obama's middle name like it is a dirty word. When you have people who refer to him as Mr. Obama or Barry instead of President. When you have the nerve and disrespect to show up toting guns at one of his ralleys when he supports the NRA you know something else is afoot. What bothers me the most is that we actually have elected officials who do nothing to silence it. I don't even think that some of them are racist but they are cowards for putting their elected asses before the truth.
He is one of many people, not just in Washington, who need to engage their brains before they open their mouths. That being said, changing policies and setting new standards in place is enormously complicated.
Yeah, he's out of line. Why do people with bad behaviors get press?
I agree with Mr Rangel it is all about race.
I've noticed that for a lot of "minority" Americans, everything in life that isn't perfect for them is because of racial discrimination. He might be able to press the right buttons with his Black constituents, but people like Congressman Rangel have me so jaded I don't pay any attention to what they say anymore.
Pam holt, foley,al. fear is what is at the center of the republican bashing of president obamas healthcare reform plan. They are afraid that after eight years of doing nothing for the American people, that president Obama will , and win the next election. that is absolutely the only thing on their agenda, is getting back thieir power and continue to do nothing for us. Surely, president Obama will not give in to their threats and bluffs and cause us to lose our one chance for this real change. Bet onwe,the American people,president Obama, and you will only prosper...
No, Congressman Rangel is not out of line for this comment about race. His level of intelligence does not go out the window simply because he is being investigated. This is all about race. If President Obama was white, those same opposers would hail him as the second coming. And isn't it ironic that most of those in opposition reside in the souther states, which have never been known to do the right thing regarding human rights, and have always been forced to do right by human beings that don't look like them? They will never collectively think logically, and will always need to be forced to do what is right. They're simply morally bankrupt beings!
YES, he is right the White House is only for the white man. This is all a bunch of bull $%&* America has shown its true self.
Black men have fought everywhere on the face of Gods green earth for something they do not have at home.
If the President is Hitler than Palin and Rush should be happy. How could you vote for someone dumb as Palin.
P.S If Rick Perry and Texas are leaving the Union let them leave now, them Mexico will take back the land the was stolen from them.
I would suggest, Jack, that many on the right are not above using the undercurrent of racism that still exists in this country to drum up a level of fury that is far beyond anything warranted by the political situation or by rational thought. That said, Rangel is not above ripping off the citizens of the US by not reporting his taxes appropriately and he does not do either himself or the debate on health care any favors by bringing race into the issue. Our elected officials, whichever side they are on, should debate the ways to go about reforming the heath care system based on logical reasoning and facts. Enough about death panels, fascism, socialism, and racism.
Charlie Rangel is in the game for Charlie Rangel period. What Rangel failed to mention in his speech about president Obama is that Obama is half white too. Look at Obamas birth cirtificate Charlie and you will see that. What he achieves as a half black man he also achieves as a half white man Mr. Rangel. Everyone knows Obamas race and where he came from and we do not need people like Charlie Rangel trying to redefine that for us. Obama will stand on his own merits, unfortunately Charlie Rangel can not.
When are we in this country ever going to stop these lunatics like Rangel from playing the race card whenever they don't get their way or someone disagrees with the their issue? As a point of hypocrisy, it is this President who has brought race into this health care debate when he has on numerous occasions in the past before the election cited the group of people HE feels have been disenfranchised by the current system. Can anyone imagine who is talking about? Is he speaking to middle class white families making $200K/year? Of course. These are the people who will to pay through increased taxes to compensate for those people who are unable to afford health care. Sound like socialism and leveling the playing field? And just a matter of fact, we don't need a complete overhaul of our health care by the government to assist roughly 35 million people, about one tenth of the US population.
Rangel is spot on. The hysterical tone that the right wing has adopted as of late is absolutely connected to Obama's race. There are clearly elements of this country that can't accept the fact that we have a black President.
No, No, No. Race is not the issue. He may be however, as his weak math skills (and the rest of congress for that matter) are the real question. They can read apparently (pass bill without reading them) regardless of the cost (no math skills) but won't put more money into education unless they figure out how it benefit them. Race is not the issue.
Of course race is at the center of the healthcare reform debate. After all, it's Obama (a 50/50 man in color, but black in heart) who wants to repay that 95% black vote he carried during the election. Even the black people were denouncing Clinton as if he was a racist compared to being able to elect someone who looks like they do. Yes, Rangel is right, the blacks are racists.
Sadly, that same thought occurred to me this morning while watching all the hysteria on the news (I'm Caucasian). What a world. I just saw someone as intelligent as Tom Ridge on CNN saying that Americans voted for change, but we do not like the change we are seeing. I LOVE the change I am seeing. YES WE CAN
Chairman Rangel is obviously trying to divert attention away from his ethcks problems.
People were opposed to government controlled medical care long before President Obama was elected.
With medicaid bankrupting states, medicare nearly bankrupt and social security fast getting there, why would we expect that the federal government could manage health care for the rest of us.
The most pertinent point for everyone to keep in mind is that none of the members of Congress or President Obama will ever be on Obamacare.
The reason health care is so expensive is because of state and federal mandates. With tens and tens of billions of dollars in fraud in medicare, imagine the level of fraud in Obamacare.
I'm sure you and your liberal responders will call the rest of us racists as we oppose socilaized medicine. I can't watch your reports anymore. You pick the most vile responses by liberals and they are so one sided one would think that CNN is controlled by Rahm Emanuel. Maybe it is. Why not just turn your "spot" over to the government. They want to control all media and everything else anyway.
Race is not the issue at all.
Let's come out and say the essence of the healthcare debate. Behind the political fireworks, it is a public secret that the healthcare business is worth many billions of dollars. What Obama is trying to do is wrestle the money away from those companies and into a public healthcare system.
Wake up people...socialism is here. 😀 It's not evil, it's necessary.
Jack, your phrasing of your original question shows the same bias and prejudice against Rangel that he himself is decrying. If you want us to give an honest opinion, why don't you phrase your question without your very very apparent opionion not dripping out of it? Just because Rangel himself may not be the most credible person to make these statements, why do you use HIM as the center of your question when you KNOW the response it will bring? Shame on you Jack, normally I value your questions.
Rangel is an idiot. Most rational people are still appalled by the terrible job the government did with the bank bailout bill. Do you recall when Sen Dodd complained about the bonuses payments to AIG officials only to find out the Sen Dodd had requested the amendment that allowed such payments?
Does anyone truly believe this health care bill will lower medial costs? Pure nonsense. Have any of the politicians actually read the bill.
What it comes down to is the President's Teflon coating is wearing thin. He no longer can get by only on his spectacular public speaking ability.
I hope he does get a good bill passed.
What he said about race is true jack. You have to be from another race to understand that, but, you're not.
I agree with Congressman Rangle....I personally have heard racist comments about Obama. Lots of them.
Jack, nothing is perfect.....sorry, but racism is rampant in the good ol' U.S. of A.
you are right! The President does not need this! People have just loss some faith in their own lives and in the lives of others when you see little respect that has took place then and now!
Rengel is an Idiot. At least Mr. Obama is trying to do something! Oh yeh, I am a staunch Republican!
Even if he had no ethical problems, he clearly has mental ones because he is the only one who has mentioned race in the whole healthcare uproar, because it does NOT play a role. Pulling the race card certainly isn't going to help whatever agenda he is trying to push, it will just alienate people from the discussion.
Call it what you want. We all know what it is about.
Race isn't central, but you always underestimate the extent of the bigotry in this country.
Jim, Craig, CO
When i hear the words " I want my country back" in the town meetings, you wonder, back from what, back from a black man ???
Rangel is not out of line, so long as his statement is true. Come on, guns at town meetings. That would not have happen under a white president. And you know it!
No, he's not out of line. I think race is at the very core. Do you think for a moment there would be this much upset if a nice white President McCain and his side-kick Sarah wanted to make a speech to our children? The reason so many people are against healthcare reform or against anything that the President tries to accomplish for that matter is they are "frightened" of him. They are looking for alternative, more politically correct ways to say, I'm a racist! Better to call him a socialist of Obitler!
A typical ploy by a politition in trouble: Divert the issue to another topic
No. I’ve never seen the kind of hate I’m seeing now. Our first African American President is the only thing that makes sense. Schools insisting on approving his speech before broadcasting. Who the hell do they think they are? Have you ever seen such a thing? He’s the President of the United States. I’m not just shocked I’m appalled. The right wing is destroying this country out of pure unadulterated hate, aided and abetted by a media who gives them an overly generous platform. This is madness.
Of course he is. The issue isn't race; its color. Unfortunately for Rangel's cause, the color isn't black or white, but green. It's always about green.
I think you would have to be color blind not to see the all white crowds fighting against health care reform, with their disgusting signs showing our President as Hitler, Musolini and any number of other such characters. I find it difficult to understand any other reason to oppose a program that will lower our costs, offer an option for those who cannot afford the outrageous insurance rates of the private companies and assure that we are no longer paying for the care of those who use the ER for their primary care.
Rangel need to resign. He just needs to stop responding to anything. However, I do believe that anything President Obama does or is trying to do is criticized because of his race. That is unfortunate since people ought to realize that he wants for this country what we all do.
You bet he is Jack. The health care debate is between groups who want change and those who fear change as well as the people who have and the ones who don't have health care. Obama's race has absolutely nothing to do with the issue and the mere mention of it just makes the debate even murkier and less likely to result in change.
NO!!!! C'mon Jack, race is a factor in everything that the President tries to do. I firmly believe that and, deep down, I suspect you do too. However, I realize that you can not openly admit that fact because you may be asked to resign.
TD in Arlington, Va
Charlie Rangel is a walking, talking, example of why term limits on Congressmen and Congresswomen need to be put in place. Seems like the longer you stay in Washington, the more delusional and out of touch with reality you become.
Does America really doesn't believe we aren't "racist". Obama is our first black president in the centuries since the birth of our nation.
In order to solve the problem we have to acknowledge it. Blacks, hispanics, women and children are at the bottom of the economic structure. White men do not work harder and thus earn more money.
All Americans are given basic rights. The Republicans are constantly holding up the Right to Live and oppose abortion. Why would they oppose health care for all of our citizens.
Evidently Mr. Rangel needs to read the bill, you know this racist charge is getting way old. Is that all they got, if everyone at these town meeting are so wrong why can't they show us the error of our ways. I'll tell you why, because we're not wrong,this is just about growing goverment,inceasing the nanny state and growing the minds of mush. Someone please tell me what it is that makes you think the goverment could possibly run the health insurance in this country and save money, look around you the goverments the reason we're in this mess now (Frank,Dodd,Rangel) and now we have a self avowed communist as the green job czar, who really knows how many others are advising the president, he said to judge him by the people he surronds himself with, thats what I'm doing!!!!
I am a white man and so are you. You have no clue what is is to be black, and neither do I. Does race have anything at all to do with reactions against the President? You bet it does. Just ask the black woman or man in the street. They will tell you.
I believe that race has been involved. What do you think they are talking about when they state: "I want my America back" When people in Texas state they want to leave the Union of the United States of America. They are still Fighting the Civil War.
Um...Jack, you're waaaay to smart not to see this. Whatever political points the Right was trying to make were lost a long time ago. The bigots have taken over the argument, and even a five year-old can see that it's about race now. If you're having trouble seeing this, let me know, and I'll send you about three-dozen links.
Rangle is sleaze, but he correct about Obama. A significant number of Americans can't stand that we have an African/American president named Barack Hussein Obama.
Sir; Thanks for your reportage. What you did not mentioned is that Rangel has recently made contributions to the reelection campaigns of several of the democrat members of the Ethics Committee. this was reported on fox News and I have heard no denial. This certainly needs further investigation and reportage, whether it confirms or denies the original report. It is certainly way beyond time that tyhis congressman should resign his powerful position.
Whatever Charlie Rangel's troubles may be, he has served this country very well for many years. He should go if he has violated ethics rules.
That aside, I think that race IS fueling the screaming of the misinformed that would call a President a Fascist and Communist for wanting to help people get health care.
As bad as things were when Bill and Hillary tried to do this, I don't remember this kind of furry and pictures of the President Clinton as Hitler.
Jack, focus on the message not the messenger. Despite Congressman Rangel's personal indescretions, it does not take away from the fact that he's spot on right with respect to race playing a role in the health care debate.
As a nation we are closer to 50/50 with respect to our political views. However, never in my lifetime have I seen people spew such hatred over a proposed policy that, for God sakes the man got elected on!
Where was all of the anger and hatemongering when the idiot that just left office took our economy down the toilet and didn't even realize it or taking us into a war that 7 years later where still tied too.
The reality is MANY Americans have a difficult time reconciling the fact that a black man is President of the United States. From health care to him speaking to our kids these ignorant racists will continue to look for a way for their voices to be heard.
Mr. Rangel is being exposed regarding is finacial cheating like all other politicians who get to that "millionaire" status. However, there is truth in his playing the race card. Many Americans are worried about "their country or constitution being CHANGED". If those worried now with a black man as President, what will the town halls look like when their is a Hispanic, Indian, African, or some other person on color reaches that office. Sorry Jack nothing personal, but the future hue of American is not going to be white, but instead every other "shade".
race is probably not at the center of the health care debate but it might be mixed in there a little
Mr. Cafferty, while I agree that Cong. Rangel should be reprimanded for his violatin of ethics policies and fiscal irresponsiblity in Congress, the fact still remains that there is a percentage of Americans – particularly those who are White, Southern, Conservative, or Republican – or all of the above – who subscribe to the idiocracy of the birther movement and the movement against public option. One need not look any further than messages left by these racists on Youtube and conservative blogs. I suppose that painting Obama's face to make him resemble Hitler and painting swastikas on posters and signs in front of the offices of Black congressmen aren't obvious enough. I also find it interesting that people thought MLK was a commie; they called him racial epithets and rallied against his social and political ideals as well. Still don't see the correlation? If not, you're blind.
Mr. Rangel, it is disgusting that you imply that health care is a race issue; there is only ONE human race. Right now, there are people of all ethnic backgrounds who are suffering from the current health care crisis. Recognizing inequities amongst certain minority or low-income populations is essential to solving our current health care problem, but to twist the entire issue into a racially motivated topic is sick. Go home, sir. -Lauren Becker Covina, CA
Right or wrong, like it or not, he is a representative of New York. We may not like his views or opinions, and he may be under investigation, but it is up to the people of New York to say his words and views do not represent the constituency.
Does Congressman Charlie Rangel believe white people don’t have insurance or and want reform in this health care system? I believe white people help get President Obama elected just as much as black and Hispanic people.
As a American I want health care reform and wish all these people who don’t would shut-up. However, I really hope the Congressman is not right in this case….I hope these people don’t like the policy versus the President’s race. Besides he is 1/2 Black and ½ White.
There is no excuse to play the race card anymore. We have an Afro-American as president. He will turn this around if anybody can. Playing the race card is now laugha
As a foreinger living in this country, I have not seen so much hatred against any president than president Obama, regardless of what he tries to accomplish.
I do believe that race indeed must be a factor.
If the president ever needs a job he is welcome in our country where his approval rate is over 90% and higher than any local politician.
Pete, from the Netherlands
He up to his ears somthing and it not ethics investigations he needs a pair of socks shoved in his mouth to stop spewing crap from every orifice. This is not a race issue. Rangel makes me ashamed to be an american and needs to resign. he represents whats wrong with Washington.
You know Jack, I think you have two issues here. Yes, Charlie Rangel needs to be investigated and held accountable for his wrongdoing, IF he is found guilty. The other issue is racism. When all people do is shout at townhall meetings and as long as the Republicans offer no viable alternative to healthcare reform, the question of race has to become part of the discussion. Now the shouters are crying because the President wants to address students about setting goals, working hard, and staying in school. They are either racists, sore losers, or some combination of both, because this makes no sense!
Yes Jack, he is out of line for shooting off his mouth and trying to play some kind of race card thing. In reality, someone with a lapse in memory about his millions of unclaimed assets, is not qualified to make any public comments about anything. It may also be questionable about whether he is even compentent to be in public service. Oh that's right, incompentence is a main qualification for public service these days.
Whatever other faults Rangel may have, he's the only one to state the obvious truth few others have the courage to state...a lot of white Americans are in total shock and can't deal with the fact their leader is a Black man. "You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!"
As you put the question, of course Charlie was "out of line" but he was also right.
Aaron Elkton, MD
Rangel should be sitting in prison; not chairing the committee that writes the very laws he's breaking. He's a disgrace and it's people like him that won't let racism die. It's to big of a card for him to play every time he needs to deflect responsibility. Get over it Charlie. Obama had one of the highest approval ratings of any incoming President. It's not racism leading to his struggles. It's bad policies.
You mix apples and oranges. Just because some people are trying to prove financial wrong doing does not mean Rep. Rangel should not speak out about racism when he sees it. I am a white senior citizen and it is very clear to me that the vile comments heard on tv are made by outright racists. Just as racism is illogical the comments are illogical. These opponents just want President Obama to fail. Health costs will rise and resources will diminish unless we change in an orderly fashion. It is the 21st century and we are headed for change whether we like it or not. The majority of the voters understand this and that is why they voted for Barack Obama. He was clearly the more qualified candidate. Barack Obama is now the President of the United States and he is making every effort to represent all of its citizens. The racist opponents making hateful and hurtful remarks are a very vocal minority. They scream about communism, socialism, not supporting our troops, death panels and more. All of this is illogical.
Jack, a stopped clock is right twice a day. Despite Rangel's ethics issues, I think it is clear that he is on to something with his comments, however inflammatory and tone deaf they might be. The rabid fear and stunning lack of rational thought on the side of those who oppose Obama's healhcare reform are not just a simple matter of ideological difference. They are deeply rooted in a painful recognition that the times, they are a-changin', and that certain race-based privileges are quickly becoming a thing of the past.
It is not at the center of the debate, but it is certainly what appears to be driving many of these anti healthcare reform opponents at these town hall meetings. These people are not this upset because of healthcare reform. Something else is driving their anger and unfortunately Mr. Rangel just said what alot of other people had been thinking.
Rangel clearly has hurt his position on any topic – but I must say that I do feel that he may be right for many who seem to be fighting the President on every topic he attempts to address...
As one of the comments of the previous question you read stated – the LOUDEST 20% seems to be screaming loud against anything that this President wants to do...
It is very disconcerting to hear all of the yelling and screaming of these people trying to hurt his efforts... The people who are yelling and screaming make up stories that are meant to scare everyone which is very similar to race based issues of the past...
To be honest – it scares me – as in many ways it reminds me of the "Heil Hitler" of yesteryear – when people who hated people due to their religion and race were able to build such a strong following...
This has been a feeling I have had since Obama won the Primary election from many of the people who have been trying to defeat him.
Race is at the center of the Health Care Debate. If you can't see that Jack then you have a problem. Rangold is right when he says that people can't get over that Obama is President. As far as the legal problems Rangold has, it has no Bearing on whether or not race is playing a part in the health care debate. I am convinced people like senator MCain and others wil do every thing they can to oppose everything that President Obama tries to do. They are just sore losers.
Rangel is playing the racial card to divert attention from his own problems. The only affirmative action he should be seeing is that of regulators who, unfortunately appear unwilling to take him on. He should be resigning from more than just his chairman.
There is no doubt that the manner of the opposition is racist. There is definitely a thought that this plan will unfairly help the lower classes of african americans. Should Charlie Rangel comment? probably not, but someone should and Obama won't because he will be painted into an uncomfortable corner. But never should it be acceptable to bring guns to a town hall discussion on healthcare, but for people who are not okay with a Black man in power something like this may happen. I am not saying everyone who opposes this healthcare plan is racist, but there are many out there parading for the cause in a way they most likely would not if it were not a president named Barack Hussein Obama
NO! Are you kidding? I'm Asian, Jewish, gay, and female, and my career surrounds me with construction workers, all of them men. This sort of thing - concluding corruption, incompetence, etc., based on false or imagined premises - happens all the time. The people so quick to deny such occurrences usually never had to withstand these double standards, or rarely can genuinely answer "yes" to "Would you have the same opinion if President Obama were white?"
I dont think that Rangel is completley off base.
There has been no other President in this country who has been challenged by their opposition on their core identity –
Why does he call himself Black? Is he really a citizen? Is he really a Muslim? Isnt he a nazi/socialist/communist? We dont trust him around our kids.
The opposition has never hated the intrinsic core of any other president in history and from day 1 as they have this one.
These major complaints are coming from places in the country that are racially homogeneous and arent used to diversity of any kind.
I am glad that some one has been bold enough to called things by there proper name. Every one is hiding behind the facade, they are using socialism and other things as a front. The bottom line is race, Make no mistake about it.
Jack, what Rep. Rangle said is correct. Far too many Americans don't want to realize the truth. Just look at whats happening in this country. The rest of the world is getting a true picture of the real America. We want to spread this mess to other countries, PLEASE.
Jack, I'm afraid you are naive. The President's race is a powerful issue at the root of much of the opposition to health care reform. You apparently do not understand the psychology of the right-wing. Most of them are southerners who still cling to race hatred. They cannot imagine that we now have a biracial president. True, there are other issues that motivate them, but I do not think that health care is one of the main ones. They are using health care as a wedge to try to defeat and destroy our President. They read that white people (like me) will be a minority in 2042, and it makes them crazy.
Ethics aside Jack, race is clearly a factor with some of these people opposed to everything Obama does including health care reform. Here in Arkansas there is one school district that will not allow Obama's speech. That school district (Cabot) is known as a "white flight" community with a nearly all white community and white school board. It is hard for me as a white person to imagine how a parent can think this is a good example to their children.
When "W" was hit with a shoe, there were so many people here who said, "Where's the respect for the President of the United States?". President Obama is the President of the United States now and HE deserves our respect. Unfortunately, he's not getting it! I do believe that it is, at least partially, to do with his race. What gets me is the way people categorize him as only black. Why don't we categorize him as only white. This in itself shows that racism is still rampant in this country. I am of a European and Mexican descent, yet I must categorize myself as Hispanic. Doesn't make sense to me because it shouldn't matter what race I am. I like to think of myself as part of the human race.
Is Jack Cafferty kidding? Every time a very obvious and real comment is made about race...Jack gets uptight and outraged and uses that played out saying "playing the race card". No sometimes it's just plain stating a fact that you will never understand or experience.
I have heard white commentators notable Roger Simon of Ploitico.com make the same comment that here are these groups/sectors out there who are unhappy that we have a black president. Why is it ok for him to make that comment and someone Black to face ridicule and suspicion when he does. Jack just doesn't get it.
Helene Tomlinson, Boston MA
No. I see no connection between the two issues. As usual, Chmn. Rangel's comment hit the nail on its head. The right wing's reaction would be the same, or perhaps worse, if it were President Hillary Clinton.
Charlie, should just resign right now and turn himself in to the nearest Federal law office for income tax evasion, But he won't the ethiucs committee will do the same thing they did with Sen Chris Dodd, What you did was not wrong but you need to hide your deals from the public better in the future. Jerry / Iowa
Mr. Rangel is 100% correct. If you look at the clips from the heath care town hall meetings, its all white people. Its their quilt complex about how blacks have been treated since being in the hands of white people, that they think that Obama is slowly taking all of the privileges of being white in this country away and one day blacks will be in that position.
How did you get that from that quote? Do you disagree that some of the people who relentlessly attack President Obama do so entirely out of racial animus? Don't play the race card, you and others cry! Um, did you see the gun-toting Americans protesting outside the President's town halls? For some people, race is their motivation - and it's never, ever inappropriate to point out that horrifying fact out.
Jack, I think race is a factor in much of the strong efforts to undermind President O'bama at every turn - not just health care. The false rumors on health care is only one example. Look at what's happening now with those screaming that our President should not address students urging them to study hard and do well in school. And P.S. What do Charlie Rangle's troubles with the Ethics Committee have to do with the issue you asked about?
A. Yes, he's out of line.
B. No, the insurance cabal, manifested by its wholly-owned Senators & Congressmen's unconscionable disinformation tactics, is at the center of the debate. Ideological fanatics bussed to town meetings for the sole purpose of disrupting civilized debate do their part, as well.
Rangel is so far out of line that he should fall off the flat edge of the world. As Alice said as she fell down the rabbit hole: "Things just get curiouser and curiouser." Bah! Don't let the president send a message to students about staying in school?
Actually things are getting more and more absurd and nasty. Soon we will see the troops and the dogs as we did during Vietnam, but who will be they be after? Gun toters? Finger biters? Hate spewers?
Financial grifters in expensive suits?
I'm glad I'm old!
C'mon Jack. I'm shocked! Shocked that gambling is going on in this establishment. Give Charlie Rangel his due. Of course there's an element of racial hatred that is part of the healthcare debate. After you've stripped aways all the nonsense about death panels, communism, socialism, and "taking back our country", what do you really have left? A lot of gun toting, bible thumping, bigots and right wing crazies who won't be satisfied until the President is planted at Arlington.
Of course he's out of line with the race comment. Race has become boring because it is used as an excuse, or retort, for anything. Our country would be better off if we just declared Victory over Prejudice and here-forward made no mention or engaged in no discussion of it. It's run its course and it's time to move on – let's throw away that overused crutch.
Absoloutley. Its ok For Charlie rangel to call a spade a spade. He may have his own issues, but that doesn't change the fact that alot, not all, but alot of the revolot against president obama's "Health Care" push is coming from people who would defintley benefit from a "public" plan. But, those individiuals would rather take the oppourtunity to say the president is trying to destroy their way of life, instead of except ing the help that is being offered to them. Can you say cutting off your nose to spite your face?
He should be able to voice his opinion on the #1 issue that is affecting these "divided states of America". Furthermore, racial tensions are so high in this country since the President's election it is unbelievable. All I have to say in this matter is that a lot of people are showing their tolerance or lack thereof of people of different racial backgrounds. Why not look at the elephant instead of pretending it is not in the room. However, a lot of the resistance is party associated, regardless of the race of the President.
So what Rangel is essentially saying is that no one actually cares that the government seems willing to spend over $1,000,000,000,000 (that is one followed by 12 zeros) and the debate is all because of what the person wanting to spend the money looks like? I don't buy it...but of course I'll probably be forced to buy it when the government raises my taxes.
We needed change and we elected Obama. I think race is the reason the Republicans will not work with him. No matter what he tries to do they will vote against him. He was elected by a majority of people. the rest of them can get over it and do what is the best for our country and its legal citizens. Being a senior citizen (72 years old) I am concerned about health care. I say leave it like it is. If people really want insurance, they will buy it. there are plenty of companies advertising cheaper insurance.
From Crowley, Texas
I want to play my own "race card': If Rangel were as WHITE as I am, his butt would be behind bars instead of "under investigation" right now!
Jack I don't think that race is at the root of the health care debate, but it plays a part. I had white friends that are not friends anymore because I campaigned for Mr. Obama. These same people are to saying they want their country back. What does that mean? So please don't doubt that race is behind the campaign against Mr. Obama's policies. Everything the man says someone has a negative reaction to it. Our republican leaders lead the charge. I have seen it and experienced it first hand. Can you explain it any other way.
Mr. Cafferty, I don't quite understand you. It's white people, from what I see, are the ones calling Obama a Nazi and Hitler amongst other names. I don't believe that happened when Clinton was in office attempting to do the same thing. If this is not about racism, then what? Voicing your concerns about Healthcare is one thing, but touting Pres. Obama as a Nazi is plain white hatred..pure and simple. Bush had 8 years to create the havoc that he did, and the same idiots who are calling Obama a Nazi called Bush a hero...
If it's not white racism, then what is it?
Mr. Rangel is absolutely correct. Kudos to him for having the courage to speak up. Now, of course those that carry the racism and hatred in their hearts will scream that it is Mr. Rangle who is racist. Race sensitive, I will give him that;. As a white man I get to walk among the racist and interact with them. I tell you the quiet racist has now found a reason to have a voice and the previous loud racist has now found a reason to walk around presidential rallies with a gun.
As a white man that loves a black woman these people scare the hell out of me.
Congressman Rangel is part of the dishonest group of elected officials who have divided the spoils among themselves in Washington. After 40 years in this city, I gave up on the both parties to represent any ideal but to get themselves re-elected. Rangell has had his hand in the cookie jar for too long. He needs to resign and face the music. None of us believe that an ethics investigation by his peers will result in any condemnation.
The man shows how stupid he really is by comparing this to Obama's health care proposals.
I hate to say it, race is a factor. I don't care if the republicans have blacks in there party or not. The African Americans in their party do not believe racism still exsist.
As much as people are sick of hearing racism being thrown around, its there people.
How can America be free and equal to all if people born in the 20's and so on wont get over the past. I think they are afraid of change and our afraid of our younger generation turning America into a multiculture fest. Too bad its already began.
I know I got off subject, but I know Jack is not going to read this on CNN. ( Watching CNN as we speak).
You know Jack, I think you have two issues here. Yes, Charlie Rangel needs to be investigated and held accountable for his wrongdoing, IF he is found guilty. The other issue is racism. When all people do is shout at townhall meetings and as long as the Republicans offer no viable alternative to healthcare reform, the question of race has to become part of the discussion. Now the shouters are crying because the President wants to address students about setting goals, working hard, and staying in school. They are either racists, sore losers, or some combination of both, because this makes no sense!
race has nothing to do with health care unless he makes it that way .the problem is obamas making crazs who solistist past leave me very worryed about anything he does
absolutely not. his problems have nothing to do with the reality of racial continuous bias in America Jack and you know it. Any notable African American who dare mention race becomes the target media attack. President Obama must keep the focus off of his ethnicity, for obvious reasons but those of us of color are not blind deaf and dumb to the manner in which we continue to be thought of and treated.
While I'm pleased that our American electorate was able look past race at the polls, I'm dismayed that some politicians, like Mr. Rangel, cannot get past race and cannot accept that the American racist is in serious decline. Surely, racism is not extinct, but it is, happily, on the endangered list. Some, like the Hon. Mr. Rangel, can't accept the possibility that there could be principled opposition to controversial and sweeping legislation.
Just because I show up at a town hall meeting that I looked up on my representative's web page and express (in a civil manner) my extreme displeasure at the way HR3200 was going to be rammed down taxpayers' throats.... It doesn't mean I'm either racist or astro turf.
The congress should seek a way forward that takes all our views into account. Do a little good rather than a lot that could prove worse.
The fact that Charlie Rangle may have some ethics investigation concerns does not detract from the fact that he has spoken the truth.We continue to live in denial of a serious race under-current which exists here and this is clearly being brought out in this health care debate. My observations have proven that there are many Americans who believe that some people are more equal than others.
Race is not the main issue,however race always plays its part. Minorities always come in on the bottom rung of the ladder in matters such as health care,employment etc.. Yet, as far as The Conservatives-they cannot yet wrap their head around having a black man in charge and at the helm.It is a sign of defeat to that some caucasian male egos that are not well balanced and congenial!They'll get over it and when they do, we will move mountains as a country!Thank God for the caucasian men who are not ego tripping!
what ever Charlies problems are , the health care has nothing to do with what he is stating. People need to wake up and also the media. Republicans hate Obama because he won and because he is half black. What ever he tries to do you are all against him. Like the Republicans have said we want him to fail. It does not matter if Americans suffer if he fails or the country completely fails. I have seven children and numerous relatives most hate Obama because he is black they are racist. One child of mine is a truck driver all over. Most of the truckers are buying guns and bullets, allot even claim to want to shoot Obama. Yes Charlie is right and all of us even you better wake up to what is really going on out there!
a no hes not jack! are that blind when "white" people in in town hall meetings are screaming I want my country back! what the hell do u think that means! or when these birthers say our president is not american! What the hell do u think that truely mean JACK! Thats why black's never really go to the right because of foolish points like these. this is the real america jack! RACE is still an issue to some people and its effecting the debate a little jack we have to agree on that! And can CNN get middle class black person or people and see how they feel on this issue! That would help u know to see how both sides feel!
They way I see it (as a Canadian) with an outsider's eye, but someone who closely follows American news, Rangel is not out of line calling the Obama Health plan protest a race issue. At least, I think it is in part. I have little doubt that among those shrill (sometimes hysterical) protesters there is a sizable contingent of arch-conservatives (in the very worst sense of the term, ie. reactionaries) who are sharing among themselves the thought that "We don't want millions of undeserving poor trash, (meaning mostly blacks and Latinos) being able to access all that expensive health care on the backs of our tax money!'
C'mon, does anyone really doubt that kind of thinking is out there?
I don't know if it is at the center, but I do know in this small southern town the people (white) were afraid that if Obama won the blacks would get uppity. And they do not like a black person in a position of authority telling them what they need to do. If it comes from Obama we must fight against it. This is more than Republican against democrat.
Jack, you have a right to your opinion about congressman Rangle, but I don't see where his personal problems have to do with all the overt racist actions taking place against the Obama regime. In other words Ray Charles if he were alive can see through what's going on.
No Jack. I believe that it's the people who can't stomach a black man in the White House that are driving most of the "wing-nut" Republican opposition to our President. Those people will not stop until they get another old white-guy as president. Oh, and by the way, that white-guy better be anti-everything just like them.
As much as I hate to admit it, race is still an issue in the United States, and the comments made are right on target. Race is the new fear factor for the republican party.
Objectivity on issues has lost its' place in US politics. As party lines is now the reference point for airing one's opinion on issues rather than the optimum benefit to the country as a whole. Race will continuously be a factor in opposing any Obama's policy as most people as still confused that an African-American is now the president of the United States. Lets not shield it but face the fact and find a solution.
Hey Jack love you're show,
Let's not distort the facts; Rangel is simply wrong on this issue.
American's have lost faith in the establishment. Over the last ten years we've seen CEO"s, Politician’s, and Priests have exercised poor judgment. We need universal healthcare, we trust Barack’s, and he’s getting the job done! American's need to be assured there trust in not misplaced.
I think Representative Rangel is absolutely on-target. He's the target of intense scrutiny for one reason. He doesn't look like Lou Dobbs or Jack Cafferty. If Rangel looked like Dick Cheney or Don Rumsfeld , you'd be singing his praises and encouraging him to keep on keeping on. Rep. Rangel has done so much good for our country and people from every walk of life owe him a debt of gratitude for his selfless service to our country for decade upon decade. Jerry
Despite the ethical problems of Charlie Rangel, it does make one wonder if race is playing a part in this. In all of my 60 years, I have never heard such verbal abuse and hate speech against a President of the United States by the Elected officials of the Republican Party as I am hearing now against President Obama. They should be held accountable for such language and have respect for the President no matter what race they are and whether they like him or not.
I do not think it was a cheap shot. It's the unadulterated truth. Why else would seniors and others who are receiving medicare, social security, etc. be saying they are against a public option health care plan? I have southern Republican friends who have not been able to accept the fact that we have a black president . They are the ones who go to "tea parties". Senator Rangel is correct in revealing the "back story."
It probably was not a kosher remark to make. However, I think Mr. Rangel is correct. (I am a white female.) Never have politics in my 74 years been so nasty, nor have I seen a president attacked the way President Obama has been attacked. The major difference is race, pure and simple.
Jack, I don't see how Rangle's ethics or lack of same has anything to do with his comment, I am white and have been thinking that the color of Pres. Obama's skin seems to be the only explanation for continual Repubican attacks and their desire to see him fail. Incidentally, the term "race" is: 1) a social construct that has no validity, 2) socially divisive, 3) scientifically wrong, and 4) a myth.
Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones but when you come to rallies comparing Obama to Hitler it just reminds me of all if those McCain supporters who came out during the last days if McCains campaign.
I'm a Caucasian male and I strongly feel that every since the beginning of President Obama's position on healthcare, a large number of conservatives have jumped at the opportunity to display an underlining since of racism. I really feel ashamed and discussed at how we as "Americans are acting". I agree with Mr. Rangel. It is so easy for white America to turn a blind eye to racism. Will it ever stop?
The obvious is odious, however you be the judge.
As much as I, a progressive American of African descent, want to overlook the obvious it is impossible not too. The reason is some of those in opposition of the POTUS, would not and did not oppose the last POTUS that presented the ideal of heath care reform the way they have treated this POTUS. When Ronald Regan used the POTUS office to address the nations children, where we the out cry from these people. Their out cry was acclamations of praise while the same event from this POTUS receives pronouncement of something evil is afoot. The obvious is odious, nevertheless history and God will be the ultimate judge
Reginald Levi Walker
Rangle has his own problems but it doesn't mean that what he said wasn't true. I have heard these racist comments and my ears work just fine thank you. What gets me is these folks will come up with all kinds of things to hide their true feelings and you attacking Rangel to diminish his comment is an example what some will do when people's racism is called out! Destroy the messenger to destroy the message!
While Mr. Rangel may be out of line making the comment, it does not mean that it does not ring some truth. During one of the town halls didn't we just hear of "the Great White Hope?." Mindful of all that has been accomplished, it is clear that some, maybe even many, have an issue with the color of the man as well as the tone of his politics. Too often when race is brought up in a discussion it is dismissed as "playing the race card." Sometimes it's just stating the obvious. This is not to discount that the White House has made a series of its own blunders, including defending a "draft" bill that it did not draft.
Jack I hate to be the one to tell you but it has been about race since President Obama was elected. Whether its about health care or speaking to school children it is a fact that some "Americans" have a problem with Obama because of what he represents. It doesn't matter what issues he presents to help us, encourage us, protect us there is a faction of people that will find wrong or ill-concieved just because and the likes of blow-hards like Rush Limbaugh, Beck and Hannity will always be there to egg their constituents on quoting or referring to Palin, Bush 41 or – God forbid – Joe the Plummer! When are we going to put color behind us and look at facts? There are inherent problems with our healthcare system that need to be changed and Obama is the person to get it done! Signed: A White, Conservative American Voter.
YES! Race and IGNORANCE are at the center of the health care debate. When you hear things like "take our country back" and "keep government out of medicare", what else am i supposed to think?
There is a percentage of people for whom it is racial. Those people would turn down an offer of a million dollars tax free from President Obama. But there is also a percentage that are afraid of any change and would stick with the status quo even if it's to their disadvantage [with the increasingly high medical costs]. There is also the group that are worried about the high costs of funding it. There are many groups that have their own agenda. It's just that the first group is extremely, extremely loud.
What people fell to realize is that most people who do not have health care are Black and hispanics. I know their are caucasions and other nationalities not mention that cannot afford healthcare, but come on people. Get real you know what the true facts are behind the scenes. People are just so blind.
You would have to be blind not to see that there is a racial problem in this Country. The Republicans are anti black and anti Democrat and anti smart politicans. They want dumb goats that they can lead and order around. I am caucasian and am sick of their health care riots,hate,whinng, etc. We need health care so bad, come on pass it without them.
I am an embarrased African American. There are many areas where racial discrimination is is a problem. This is not one of them. Rangel is way out of line. He should find ways and means to get his own house in order. Your question wasn't very fair either Jack, but I promise not to use the race card.
I wonder that Mr. Rangel's problems seemed to begin as Mr. Obama's star was rising . . . a trade-off? What might be kind of fun for you folks in the press could be to help President Obama set Mr. Jason and his argo-'nots' up so that he can't burn down his master's house. Think they'll sell DVD's?
Andy of Sierra Vista, Arizona
I am not a fan of Rangels but for once maybe he is right. It is becoming pretty obvious to many of us that all this finding fault with what ever Obama does is a racial issue. Whatever Obama does someone is calling him a socialist, or part of some terriorist organization. He cannot even talk to school children without being blamed of an ulterior motive.
Sarah Palin started this when running for vice president by claiming he was a terriorist or hung around with terriorist and it continues to this day with the republican party. This man has had more labels put on him than any person deserves.
I am white and it is getting more obvious each day to many out here that race is definitely entering into this.
Maybe you of the media needs to wake up and look at the facts.
I think it is shameful the way our country is behaving and it does not make me proud of the human race that we have turned into.
Whatever happened to loving each other and that we are all one.? I personally ashamed.
I agree with Rangel. Few would dare base their criticism of Obama solely on the basis of race, but there is a sector of white America that is terrified of a black President making the changes that the rest of us voted for him to make. The comments I hear from people in Lily White North Dakota about Barack Obama would curl your hair Jack, and I have no difficulty believing that some of the heat being generated is racially based.
Will keep on listening but in the mean time thanks to all of you and do enjoy your weekend...!
No, he's not out of line, because he is telling the truth. We have a President fighting for equality for "ALL" people. All of this HATE and outrage over the President is just mind boggling. Never in my life have I seen one party so against another, and it all boils down to how people hate to see this black man and his family living up there in The White House no matter how much they try to claim otherwise, such as socialism. Most of them are poor and broke like the rest of us, and are too stupid to realize he is for them also and not just the rich and privileged. It's ignorance to the highest degree, and people like are the REAL problem in this nation. And the sad part is they are brainwashing their kids to think the same way, which is why they don't want them to lsiten to a Black President of the United States!
Let's be real, when it comes to Obama, race will always be at the center. You guys aren't dumb, when you ask why can't he talk to students, why is health care so hard to obtain.. No matter what this guy (Obama) does or say, they will always remind him and the rest of us he's black.
Who loses, we all do!
jack when you ask for a respond to your question about charlie you need to keep your racist coments to your self people are so quick to judge others before the facts are clear have you ever did anything unethical.
I believe Mr. Rangel is right Jack. You know as well as i do Racism is
alive and well in these United States as has been proven in the many town hall meetings around the country. Sad but true many people can't believe that a Black man is in charge of our Great Nation. If health care reform falls apart and there is no public option many of the same loud mouths will be cut off from the MEDICAD health plan that they are recieving. They don't realize that they are digging their own graves.
As a Black man in this country I do believe this is true. knew if Barack Obama were to become president most of his issues, be that domestic or abroad would be driven at some percent by race. It's ok to oppose the health care legislation, but it's NOT OK to hold up compare Obama to Hitler or say he's going to kill off the older generations. I live in the south so I'm VERY familiar with Biggitry and thats all it is.....
Out of line? I don't think so. Being an Afro-American I feel the same. Not so much about congress but I believe a lot of white people are very prejudice and can't come to grips with President Obama being the President.
If speaking the truth is out-of-line, then Congressman Rangel is out of line. Give me a break, under the Bush administration, thousands upon thousands of people lost their jobs, homes, savings, and lives and we set by while the oil companies continued to rape America and yet there was no Tea Party or screams in the streets. Whose the fool?
Rep. Rangel never used the adjectives "white" nor "black"; he uses the adjective "some." How is this the "race card?" Is it the race card when health-care protesters use words like "socialism," "Nazi," "Obamanation"? Is it the race card when you see caricatures of the president in "white face," or with a Hitler-styled mustache? Surely, these images and words are more blatantly racists than the word "some." Before we pass judgment on the statement, ask Rep. Rangle to clarify what he means by "some." We have all become too sensitive to certain words and seem bent on turning them to our personal political advantage. Shame on us.
I think that it is hypocritical and reverse discrimination when someone who disagrees with Obama is called a racist. I believe Rep Rangel is a racist with a chip on his shoulder. He is wrong.
Every time I watch news about a debate over President Obama I hear the race card used against anyone who opposes him. Why can't we just stick to the facts and truth. Present your view and state facts to oppose thos facts.
If people keep using the race card we will continue to divide our country.
I absolutely agree with the Congressman. These people who are complaining about the programs don't give a rat's tail about these programs. They are really angry that there is an African American man in the White House. There has never been this much hostility and out-right hatred toward one another in recent history. Its only been since President Obama was elected that people are turning violent toward each other and they're angry about providing a service that they may be the one using. The ONLY reason that makes since is that there are so many "RACISTS" still living in the US in 2009 its ridiculous.
I am a white woman, and I am telling you without any doubt in my mind that their are certain rouge groups in our country that are so angry that we have an African American president that they will fight anything he propsses, EVEN IF IT IS IN THEIR BEST INTEREST. The right wing racists have convinced a small, but loud, minority of people that because his middle name is Hussain, he must be a muslim (to them this clearly means you must be a terrorist), that he couldn't possibly be an American (even though there is clearly information that proves he was in fact born on American soil). The draw Hilter mustaches on him, convince some parents that he is trying to indoctrinate their children into being what? socialists? communists? smart? You tell me, doesn't this look like racisim to you? If our president were white, Republican, a so- called Christian, do you think these same people would really have a problem with the President of the United States speaking to their children. OF COURSE ITS RACISIM.
Sadly,Jack I'm afraid Rangel was right in using the race card. The vitriol we're seeing is, I believe, racism. I'll go Rangel one better – I believe that people like Glenn Beck are trying to put the real fringe of the right wing fringe into assassination mode. This is the scariest time I can remember in my 66 years. God help Obama and our country. PS – I'm white.
Unfortunately, racism does play a role, at least where I live. I have read many blog entries in the local news paper that are blatantly racist.
But I don't think racism is playing a role in terms of what national politicians, businessmen, and other leaders are doing. I think the racism is purely homegrown, a reflection of the lack of education among some citizens . . . but not the majority.
Rangel is blowing the race issue out of proportion and weakening his case for reform by playing "the race card." He would do better to consider the source, and keep his eyes on the goal: reform.
I'm sorry to say that of my caucaian family I'm the only want to vote for obama. There is still a lot of racism out there. It is hateful and wrong. I think if Rangel is guilty he should resign. But he is correct abbout the relatiionship between the anger against the health care reform and the hatred toward obama because of his color. Whatever obama proposes will be fought harde by htses undying racist.
Jack, Rangel is the racist. Bringing up that just makes you wonder what "his" motive is.
The health care debate is more about "IS this another Bail-out Mess"!
I don't care about the color of the person, I do care about having a well thought out plan. From what I've seen so far from the White House, they are long on words and very, very, short on workable solutions. Maybe they should try a "pilot" Health Care Reform program. Get the kinks out, see where the problems are then expand it. Let's have a chance to see if what's on papaer actually works in the real world. Right now I want to see some credible results from the Whitehouse before they cause another mess. Does Wall Street CEO bonuses ring any bells.
Now back to Mr. Rangel, he is an insult to myself and my family. I'm white and my father put his business on the line in the 60's with desegragation. He fought for equality and Mr. Rangel and others like him who push the race card need to remember who "ALL" fought injustices.
Race is not directly at the center of the debate but is involved. At its center is the battle of principle between preserving privilege for the privileged (Republicans) and enabling ALLcitizens to have a chance of pursuing life, liberty and happiness (almost everyone else). The problem of course is that the dividing line between privilege and non-privilege is a colored and racial line. Just go into any poor section of a US inner city and see what color most of the poorer people are. I suspect that carries over to the question what color most of the people who can't see a doctor are.
Rangel's so-called race card is the only explanation for most – not all – of the craziness going on out there since the MAJORITY of voting Americans elected the first Black President of these here United States. We're just not honest – or brave – enough to face that hard truth.
No, not at all. Rep.Rangel is just stating the obvious. Many of the people opposing health care didn't vote for Obama in November because he was black. Race has a lot to do with the opposition of this debate. I' m sure my congressman feels the same, but he isn't as vocal.
While Rangel cheating on his taxes and filing false forms
about his income is unacceptable, his remarks about the
far right wingers is dead on. They DO wake up in the
morning wondering how a black man and family ended up
sleeping in the white house. White house, get it? They think
it is for whites only. Make no mistake, the tea baggers are
NOT marching around about Obama destroying the
Constitution. It is not possible for Obama to take our rights
away. Bush already did that with the Patriot Act and it was
just fine and dandy with them. He was white and a so called
conservative, so anything he wanted was fine including
wasting 8 BILLION a month for 7 years on a war that was
not necessary and evil.
Rangle is not out of line. The Republicans are acting very raciest in everything they do. They act like the new KKK and hide behind there Party. If the Republicans want to know why they are losing power maybe they shouldn't be such hate and fear monger put .They us in the mess we are in and they are fighting every effort to get us back on track. I would much rather have a health program controled by our government then by big buisness that want millions of dollars in bonases
Jack, I'm white and we are probably around the same age, I'm 62, and female. You know as well as I do that even though Charlie Rangle might be playing the "race card", but there is more to racism than that. This President has brought out all the worst of America. There have been more threats on his life than any other president. I am so tired of the news media not reporting the facts to the public. I don't like Rangle and I'm a Hillary girl, but I do no this retortic is not just about health care or the President trying to indoctornation our children. When I was in grade school in CA after Kennedy's inaguagration we had to write a letter to him for our civic's class to say what we were going to "do for our country". Nothing was said about it. We all got letters back and signed photos which hung in mine and my friend's houses after he was dead. I pray every day that it won't be the same this time. Hate corrupts whichever side it comes from. There are a minority of hater's out there right now making all the noise and unfortunately those are the only ones we hear from. I hope someday soon the news again becomes news instead of "programing". The racism from blacks and whites needs to be reported, not just one side.
Charlie Rangel is a politician who should be ashamed of himself and do us a favor and quit. I am so sick of the race card being used for everything.
How many times can you say "I forgot to pay my taxes", and at the same time chair an important committee. Nancy Pelosi promised a Congress that would be different, what a joke she is. Do the right thing and boot him out of Congress. If he can't remember what he does, maybe he needs some Obama health care.
Do these people think the American people are stupid? They all have a terminal case of forgetting to pay their proper taxes. Reminds me of the lady who said "taxes are for the little people".
I think that the statement by congressman Rangel could be a little radical its definitly a true statement. Its true that there is truly a lot of debate about the substance of the bills , i would say 50% of those who disagree are disagree because they dont support obama and i think on a deeper scale its about race. I think the media knows it but is too scared to admit it because of the backlog they would get for acknowledging it. Its racism desguised as debate or opposition to the bil
By the way, anyone who is a person of color will tell you that racism is NOT a card! This is not some BS card-game. The realities and ramification of being a person of color in America are real. Race is injected into every aspect of American society and gov't, whether we like it or not. It's only considered a card when those with bigoted views are exposed for who they really are and when confronted, they would rather defend and deflect rather than listen and learn.
Out of line? I don't think so. Being an Afro-American I feel the same. Not so much about congress but I believe a lot of white people are very prejudice and can't come to grips with President Obama being the President. Chicago
As a european man I can say he is right, not in using the race card, but right on the fact that Americans for the most part still have not realized that we have a good man in office, NOT a good black man, Just a man, from the human race.
Unfortunately rednecks, and GOP's only see one color ........ white......
Jack where have you been....Of coarse race is part of Pres. Obama,s problem in getting healthcare reform done, and every thing else he wants to do.........Have,nt you payed attention, he can,t even give the kids a back to school pep talk without the rightous right calling him. all sorts of ugly names ... I,m totally disgusted......Down here the red state of La. some folks woke up on inauguration day.....did,nt send their kids to school.....did,nt allow the kids to watch the event... some did,nt get out of bed.......Not only did we elect a Democrat... but a liberal ....extremely smart blackman........ Praise the Lord.....
Not this time Charlie.
I agree with Congressman Charlie Rangel that race is a factor in President Obama's presidency and in health care.
I would like to remind people that when the last President Bush was elected, afterwards people said we had to stand behind him because he was the president now, regardless of our differences. Today we have Pastors saying that President Obama should be killed and sent to hell. What's the difference? Race. Period.
You can see from health care town hall pictures how racially polarized these events are. Special interests are appealing to the fears of white health care recipients making them fear they are going to lose their benefits. And who in this scenario is going to get those benefits, someone else who isn't "like us". Racism. Period.
On this issue Cafferty is right in line with Rush. Stoking the fires of fear instead of bringing us together to accomplish great things.
I don't usually disclose my personal information but I feel it is important that I disclose that I am a white male and I am an independent voter.
No Rangle is not.. If any person watched the people in Texas express their feelings about President Obama's wanting to speak to the students of our schools, particularly the man yelling and using the word "black" certainly can't believe that Republicans are not playing the race card. If I were black I would never vote for a candidate representing the Republican Party. More people need to speak out and and call the members of the Republican Party what they are – "RACISTS".
Rep Rangel is only stating the obvious. I have never in my 52 years seen so much hatred toward a President. Even with everything that Bush did it never got this bad. It all comes down to the fear that is being promoted by conservitive radio, Fox News and misinformation on the Internet. Because these people full of anger WANT to believe what they're hearing and reading. Those out there comparing our President to Hitler and toting guns outside where he is speaking frankly scares the hell out me. These people will not be satified until he's assinated. I do believe the bottom line is racial. There are those that just can't handle there being a black President. Even though most won't admit it, racism IS raising it's ugly head.
If Mr. Rangel believes that all of those who oppose Obama’s reform ideas oppose them just because he is black, I bet he also thinks that is why people started calling Bill Clinton “The First Black President”…just to get Clinton’s Healthcare package to crash and burn. What an idiot.
Some things are left unsaid ! I didn't say I disagreed with him. I am saying that there is so much division right now we don't need anyone to add to the fire. Health care reform is needed !
I think the people should have a chance to VOTE on this!
Right now we have a bunch of negatives and not enough positives ! The world is watching to see how we are going to handle this. I really don't want to see another debt, but I really don't anyone going without insurance if possible.
Let the people VOTE
Calm is needed
I think that race is at the center of all Republican disinformation and is aimed at igniting the conservative fringe. Republicans learned this tactic when it put forth Sarah Palin as the 2008 Vice Presidential candidate and have been exploiting it ever since, with amplification by the media's incessant non-investigative coverage. The Republican Party benefits by creating Overton windows for it's agenda - the idea is that priming the public with fringe ideas intended to be and remain unacceptable, will make the real target ideas seem more acceptable by comparison.
I would like to know what Charlie Rangel believes the difference is between the health care debate and the anti-war protests. President Bush was drawn as a Hitler-esque figure. President Bush was villified in vile and disgusting ways. People had signs and were screaming. People were practicing their "right to free speech." Apparently Charlie Rangel thinks that when liberals protest it is patriotic, and when conservatives protest it is "racist."
Rangel is on the money! Just like you were wrong in this instance, Rangel is also wrong sometime but not this time.
Two Presidents spoke to school children before President Obama. These Republicans were allowed their freedom of speech.
If you don't want your child to hear what the President has to say you have the freedom to keep your child home or remove him from a particular class. As a citizen no one has the right to take away my student rights for the sake of theirs when there is no harm being done. Remove your child and allow the president to speak and we don’t need to hear from you.
The truth hurts. Racism is alive and well. Only those who experience can atest to that . As far as ethic investigations:, ethics and politcs go to gether like oil and water...there is no ethics in politic , he's not doing anything none of the others aren't ding ..he's just speaking too much truth
I have to agree with Rep. Rangel. I think the right wing which is predominately white just can't get over the fact that they have a black president. You spot it at the raucous rallies, when you see the wringing of hands and cries of "I want my country back". I also believe that there is a "vast right wing conspiracy " to do anything they can to discredit and disrupt the Obama adminsitration.
Like it or not, as long as we have an African-American president race is ultimately at the center of all debates. This isn't to say debates such as this wouldn't exist if Obama were white - but it does seem to add a certain fanatical fuel to the fire that I don't think would exist otherwise. Witness the mob mentality at the town hall meetings and other discussions. And healthcare isn't the only thing that has engendered such response - recall the mobs that called Obama a "socialist" and even called for his death during McCain/Palin rallys during the election campaigns. And don't get me started on the so-called "Birthers". All of these issues and debates may well have existed if Obama were white, but I don't think they would garner such enthusiasm if he weren't black. Ultimately, race still matters.
There hasn't been much real, honest debate about health care (lots of lies, though), so on that count Rangel's not in line per se. And it's true he's seeming to be more in league with curropt politicians than many want to believe (myself included). But the anger, vitriol and fantasy-laden rants are absolutely rooted in race - partly the president's but partly that Obama represents a point of no return: The country's demographics are changing, and the Ozzie and Harriet world that so many cynical righties and the pathetic souls who unknowingly vote against their own self interests want to return to (despite that it never really existed) is a fading memory.
Give me a break Jack. I dont see anything wrong with what he said. The truth hurts. I hope he stands by his comments.
Is Congressman Charlie Rangel, up to his ears in ethics investigations, out of line in saying race is at the center of the health care debate?
You bet race is at the center of the heath care debate – the race of the president .
Just look at those right wing wackadoodles out there having canaries because our president wants to tell our children to stay in school and be responsible students.. The nutcases are claiming that Obama is going to talk about his "agenda" with them.
I think it is wonderful that our President is going to speak to our children. We didn't ask the other WHITE presidents to post what THEY were going to say to our children before hand, why do the nutcases demand it now?? Because they are RACISTS and they are teaching their children to be that way as well.
It's really a sad comentary on some in our society.And when we get the Fairness Doctrine back those same nutjobs won't control 91% of the airwaves!
I have to agree with Mr Rangel. If Obama was white we would have already passed the healthcare bill and there would no or very few comments about his speech to the school children. And by the way I'm white
Here we go with playing the race card again. I have never understood why politicians and the wealthy have this notion that they can manipulate the law to benefit themselves. It all boils down to greed. Greed has no color and it is the most destructive force in our country. These individuals, such as Charlie Rangel are only out for themselves and could care less about the American people and if they cared about their race then they would be helping people in the poor communities. The type of health care that they propose will only help the insurance companies to rake in more money. I am very surprised that the revolution has not begun yet. They all disgust me.
first off i want to declare the fact that i am caucasian. that being said i am ashamed of many in our society for their hidden racial hatred. i believe that fox news, rush and all of the other haters have whipped the silent minority into being over vocal. becoming exactly the type of citizens that they would deplore if they were protesting election fraud in florida or an economic summit in seattle. these racists are being led down the path and the funny thing is even if obama was on the flip side of this or any issue... then they would be against it. fox news should admit they are selling hate by the pound. americans on the right (politically) are being sold a bill of goods by a money grubbing aussie who is manipulating rednecks and racists alike into provoked hatred of an legally elected president... unlike the last one. rangel doesn't matter the kooks are coming out of their compounds with their guns... the only thing is most of them won't admit they are racists and few of them have the guts to wear their white hoods. forget the hate. america needs healthcare and we need it now. stop the greed in medicine, healthcare and insurance companies.
I am a long time resident of Harlem, the district "represented" by Rangel. In recent years, poor and working class residents of Harlem have watch as Rangel enriched himself and his friends, by encouraging development policies that make Harlem unaffordable to the poor and working class. We are embarassed as we see him engage in blantant violations of tax law. We watch as he hoardes for himself much needed and heaviliy subsidized apartments in Harlem, in violation of federal campaign laws. Now, he comes to the "rescue" of Pres. Obama–a man whose campaign he sought to sabotage in Harlem? Please, Charlie, for the good of all of us, go far, far away!!
Normally, I don't like to hear the race card played. I am a white, boomer female formerly a Hillary supporter but later gave my support to Obama. While watching the recent Kennedy documentaries, I realized a common thread behind their assassinations . They were all trying to give equal rights to blacks. I realized it was all about racists trying to stop them. Along with the insurance companies, most of the other white outrage at the town halls is truly directed at the fact we have an African American president who the racists want to fail. The racists will not admit that fact of course–not even to themselves. Lincoln was shot for freeing the slaves. Kennedy was shot right before he passed his Civil Rights bill. It passed later however. Bobby Kennedy would have continued on that same civil rights path. Bobby was shot right after Martin Luther King was shot for preaching Civil Rights for blacks. I feel the only reason Ted Kennedy, a strong civil rights supporter, was not shot was because he lost the presidential nomination. It truly makes me ashamed of the whites who think this way while at the same time calling themselves Christians. Jesus said, "What you do to the least of these my brethren, you also do unto me." Racists better remember that and be ready with a darn good answer when their time on this earth is over.
We are fighting for democracy in foreign countries while here at home democracy and the right to free speech seems to be dying.
While Rangel is in a mess right now, I do feel that he has a point. I do beleieve that alot if not most of these tea partiers and town hall participants are people that are angry about having a black man as President, and that they cannot come out and say that so they have to have an issue to hide behind. Where were type of " Town Halls" when Bush/ and Cheney sent us to war on lies and was spending tens of billions of dollars a month and causing unnecessary debt and death. Now we have a President that wants to provide healthcare to all Americans and stop the greedy Insurance companies and there is outrage. Racism is real, and I think that the GOP has political reasons to want the President to fail miserably and those that represent the majority of GOP voters ( White, Male, Southern and over 50) are still angry over having a African American President and want him to fail ( like that blowhard Limbaugh stated earlier this year ) just because of race. Just because a crook like Rangel said it doesn't make it ridiculous, it's VERY real. Some just don't want to beleive it because it is too ugly to fathom. But any one that has faced Racism and Bigotry knows otherwise.
I most certaintly believe to some extent race is behind the health care reform debate. This President has only been in office a handful of days but to some people he can do nothing right. Since when does a President get this much scrutiny for choosing to speak to grade school children about the perils of dropping out of school. I think it's insulting to say you don't want President Obama to address grade school children because he may discuss his policy, really? You really don't think he's intelligent enough to know that that would be improper and inappropriate. Would a White President recieve this much "heat" for choosing to speak to grade school children about the perils of a wasted education.
Health care reform and race have as much in common as a pig to a fish.
It continues to amaze me that many black politicians are, themselves, so prejudice against other races. It's always such an easy excuse. Gets lots of attention and the media is afraid to/unwilling to confront the politician for fear of angering the far left.
I have this feeling that it is obvious to the world and not so obvious to the American population itself that race is fuelling the whole political debate in the United States. The resurgence of the extremely vocal right political faction in the U.S.A. is in good part racially motivated, and to have men of the church call for the death of the president in prayers so freely is aberrant to say the least. Can you really without any doubts tell me that race is not an important factor for this extreme hatred.
I admit I cringe when I hear "race card' related comments like this one. It's an easy out to a tougher question.
The question really is: why are so many people reacting so irrationally to innocent, well intentioned acts? Do these guys REALLY think Obama is a Muslim? That he wasn't born in the US? That he intends to poison old ladies? That he wants to corrupt our young people? That Democrats want to initiate Death Committees? Is there really something wrong with wanting to be able to keep health insurance if you change jobs? Get insurance if you've been sick before? Cone on. Seriously!
This is a complicated time. we really need serious people. The real "extremists" are those who would rather disrupt and propagate mis-information rather than have a serious discussion.
mis-information rather than have a serious discussion.
I totally disagree with you on this one. I am white 57 yrs old, married to an african american. We live in a major southern city. I even have a gay racist who lives in the same building. He has many time referred to my wife as a f..cking nig..r with a mocking smile. His boyfriend is a medical doctor. and they all smile at such sorry comments. By the way most of my friends are gay.
So racist is institutionalized in the U.S. as far as I am concerned.
Jack you do good work.
Finally someone has expressed what people of color has been saying for weeks. It is time for AMERICA to wake up and notice what is going on. Just look at the town meetings and the opposition.. Any people of color opposeing?? Stop sugar coating the true facts and call it as it is RACISIM. This is AMERICA and just because we have a person of color in a pwerful position does not exclude those with no idea of what the word DIVERSITY means from expressing their racist oppinions!!!!!!.
Jack, Rangel's tax evasion is a personal problem-inexcusible! But his opinion about politics and racism is accurate! Between the Republicans and the small percentage of racists that are being very vocal,this entire fight against Pres. Obama is being made racial! What a disgrace! I'm ashamed to think what foreign nations think about this mess! This is really about Pres. Obama wanting to make changes in healthcare for the people of our nation. And the health industries GREED! If the press would quit giving credit to the health industry and the bigot,stupid minorities, maybe Obama will be able to make the change that the majority of us voted him into office for. I'm ashamed of the media-all of you! The health industry owns you,too!
Why is it Okay for white folks to demonstrated racism over and over again for over 200 years but when a minority identifies it as racism, it's called playing the race card. It doesn't matter what Charlie Rangel said, what matters is if what he said has any merit and unless you are sleeping under a rock since November 2008, racism in this country has raised it's ugly head in a bold and blatant way when it comes to this particular President! Certain majority groups are not the only people in this country who can ascertain when the race card is being played.
He epitomizes the problem with the race discussion. He is one of those guys who turns every issue into a black and white issue. You cannot have a rational conversation about race with someone like that. He is doing his party a diservice because there are going to be Democrats out there put off by his remarks who will no longer support healthcare because they will believe it would be admitting that race is a motivation for people.
Rangel is only speaking the truth. Most of the resentment of President Obama is because he is Black. If President Bush had been watched as closely and analyzed, would we be in this mess? No matter what the President says or does, it is instantly torn apart. His critics never have any solutions just complaints.
Jack, Rangel is in the right church but the wrong pew. Right now I am convinced that the US insurance industry is to healthcare reform what Dick Cheney was to energy reform. If a public option ever gets on the table, the likes of United and Humana face incredible competition. Why do so many say don't let the government do it, it will screw things up, but now the insurance industry is saying the government will put us out of business? When Rangel throws race in the mix as part of the reason for opposition, he's not totally wrong, there still is resentment to Obama solely on the basis of race but there's also resentment to the millions who will suddenly have access to care and so many of them are minorities. We are far from perfect, race is unfortunately always going to enter into any major domestic policy debate.
49% of American have not gotten over the fact that Mr. Obama has become president. Most because he is a Democrat, some because he is not a woman, but a few because he is black. I know a few of these people and it is not right. I wish we could all "just get over it" and work it out. Thankfully we live in America were we are allowed to have differing opinions (I think we are allowed) and have the ability to talk out our differences. Otherwise we would have a coup de ta every 2 or 4 years and armed militants would be roaming the streets telling us what to think. Rangel (and others) are wrong to keep playing the race card each time someone disagrees with them, Those opposing the current administration are wrong to keep playing the "he's a socialist democrat" any time they disagree. Lets all "come together" for the betterment of America and mankind, regardless of our ethnic, social, religious and political views.
You said exactly what i was thinking about the politicians who are caught doing something wrong and yet they use there office to get away with it. What surprises me the most is the people still send them back to office...as a Nixon silent majority voter. I was silent when bush made me a fool during his administration...this time iam standing up to be counted. I may have cut my nose off to spite my face by voting for obama but iam not going to set on my duff again when iam being made a fool again...thanks.....mike from va
Gee Jack I dont know....Somebody had to say it. Did you ever notice the loudest voices against Obama are always coming from white faces. I think these are the same people who called him a muslim during the election campaign.
Jack, I don't think Mr. Rangel is out of line for making the comment about race being at the center of the health care debate; I've contemplated the same thing. We have seen quite a bit of veiled racism directed at the President during the campaign and since he has taken office. It's clear that much of the resistance to anything the president promotes is arbitrary. As for Mr. Rangel, making that statement while having tax and/or ethical issues doesn't help his situation.
If Mr. Rangel was in the hospital and need blood he would not ask if the donator was white,Frank would not ask if the donator was straight ,and Dodd would not ask if the donator was in psychotherapy
Racism is a form of brain washing. People who hate another race because they feel some sort of superiority is passed from generation to generation. I had a White lady tell me that if a White man could not put this country on track, a Black certainly can't. The Republican so called Christian majority is behind racism. The preachers are even preaching hate in their church. One thing I will give Republicans credit for is that they sure know how to start an up roar!
No, I do not think Congressman Rangel played a "race" card. I think that he is right on the mark. The world at large must be amazed at how American "Home of the Free, Land of the Brave" is still one of the most racist countries in the world. Many white Americans are indeed racist and yes there are some black racists as well. By and large, the resistance to President Obama on many issues is purely because of his race.
We meddle in countries all over the world demanding democracy and freedom for others but here in America, but many people of color
It is a sad day in America when the President that's right the President can not address school children to encourage them to stay in school and do their best without it being taken as a political move.
We are a sick country and the hand of God is going to judge America severly , in fact we are already under judgement, yet every politician ends his speech with God bless America. I don't think many of them have any understanding about God, if they did they would know that God is love.
Jack, you are accusing Charlie Rangel of bringing up the race issue to distract from the rest of the issues in the health care debate - or maybe you think he's trying to distract us from his ethical problems.
When you bring up his ethics in a question about the validity of his comment, you are doing the same thing - bringing up a separate issue to distract from the content of the statement.
Of course race is a factor in the health care debate. It is not the only factor, it is not the major factor, but it is there, making a complex issue even more complex, as it does in every issue in America.
Anyone who believes that race is not a factor in every issue in America is denying reality. Anybody who believes it is the *only* factor in any situation is denying an even larger part of reality. Don't let Charlie Rangel or anyone else try to make race the only subject discussed - and don't try to eliminate all discussion of race, either.
It was a cheap shot but seriously, what else do you expect. President Obama's trying to fix health care and the backwards, infuriating Republicans are screaming for his head. If I was a Democrat in Congress I'd be willing to get back at them, verbally or physically. (Preferably physically)
Rep Charlie. Rangel's comment about race being at the center of the healthcare debate has not thing to do with him being under investigation neither disqualifies him to make that statement. Yes a lot of the controversy and disapproval are due to President Obama being a black man. Other presidents have done worse and never came under near as much scrutiny as President Obama has since he's been in office. Please separate the issues with Mr. Rangel and the President, there is a problem in this country with race and we need to be clear address what is really going on and deal with. Yes there may be some indiscretions going on with public servants, deal with each issue individually, but don’t dismiss his comment about race because of it. There is a HUGE race problem in this country and it needs to be addressed.
The revolt for healthcare reform is organized by (most likely) the Rethuglicans. They continue to spread lies and distort the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. By doing so, they enrage all those folks who have suffered from a deficient education(why do the Thugs always cut education first when trying to balance a budget?). This group includes all the racists AND those folks who can't accept Obama as President. As far as Mr. Rangel, he's entitled to his opinion. I've been under the empression that most folks in and tied to politics hold themselves above the law..just look at the previous administration.
U. S. Rep. Charles Ranger................ OUT OF LINE !!!!! And I am a Democart . Thank you. From: Gene Spann Jr. , In Houston Texas .
No, I don't think he is out of line. I think he is dead on. There are others who agree with Mr. Rangel but are afraid to say so. Why do you think Rush Limbaugh wants him to fail? Why do you think some Republicans want him to fail? Because they do not want a black man doing more for this country right now than a white man. This country has been ruled by the whites for so long. Now you have a young black man with good ideas on how to make our country better, and some people don't want that. So yes, Charlie Rangel is right on. It is all about race!I also believe that is why we are having problems getting this health reform bill passed.
Oh come on Jack, don’t kill the messenger because the message doesn’t fit your ideals of American attitudes. And above all don’t be naive or delusional about the fact that racism is alive and well in this country.
Rep. Rangel may be all the things you purport him to be but his message is spot on.
One only needs to examine the vitriol, radical symbolisms and outright lies being promulgated by the bloviatous anti-health care reformers to recognize the thinly disguised race hatred that is being driven by the mainly southern based conservatives. The only thing missing is Bull Conner, police dogs and water hoses being turned on the large majority of Americans that are in favor of meaningful and permanent health care reforms.
Yes Jack, sad to say that is racism is still alive and well in many parts of America today...
No, he’s not out of line, because he is telling the truth. We have a President fighting for equality for “ALL” people. All of this HATE and outrage over the President is just mind boggling. Never in my life have I seen one party so against another, and it all boils down to how people hate to see this black man and his black family living up there in The White House no matter how much they try to claim otherwise, such as socialism. Most of them are poor and broke like the rest of us, and are too stupid to realize he is for them also and not just the rich and privileged. It’s ignorance to the highest degree, and people like them are the REAL problem in this nation. And the sad part is they are brainwashing their kids to think the same way, which is why they don’t want them to listen to a Black President of the United States!
No, Charlie is not out of line in his comment about race. There are people in this country that will never reconcile themselves to the fact that a black American is president of the United States. The current level of anger in the country is not about over hauling the health care system or about the president speaking to school children, but rank racism
The fact that the congressman is under investigation for ethics violations should not prevent him from making political commentary. Especially on an issue that has attracted so much public attention. It is his right and a duty to his constituants to continue to do so until he is removed from office. Is he rights? Maybe, maybe not. But he is certainly not out of line expressing his opinion. I am a Californian and I certainly would like to hear those kind of candid remarks from those who represent me. Sure race is often a scapegoat in many controversal issues, but I am not so sure that the race of our President is not a problem for many of the voices we hear during this debate. If it walks and quacks like a duck, it just might be a duck!
Having Charlie Rangel who is being tried in the press without a trial make the statement of racism does not help President Obama. But, regardless who said it that racism is a central factor in the Health Care issue is in my opinion true. I would never have thought it would be a year ago, but it is and it is an American tragedy. People who are friends of mine from a totally white high school, Class of 1956, are so adamantly against Obama and once again they will dance around the issues: his not being a citizen; or he is trying to persuade our children to favor socialism. Perish the thought that Medicare and Social Security are socialist programs already accepted by Americans. Charlie Rangel said the truth regardless of his ethics problems.
If you'd get out of your comfortable perch and tour the US..you would find that racism is alive and well in the Country. I criss cross the lower 48 all the time..and if you don't think the racists aren't beside themselves with Obama as president..take a trip sometime. I'm not a fan of Charlie Rangel but he is speaking the truth.
Richard in TN
Let the U.S. House Ethics Committee deal with Rep. Rangel's personal issues. Let society determine whether or not he is correct in his assertion that race is triggering the recent actions of the ultra radical right wing. In my opinion, Rep. Rangel is correct. What other single factor could account for the hatred that is being displayed in response to any of the President's attempts, i.e., stimulus money, cash for clunkers, health care reform, the proposed pro education speech to our young, etc., to get this country back on the right path? Where were these people eight years ago when the Bush Administration was sowing the seeds for the economic and social crises that we are being forced to deal with today?
Erica, South Carolina
It is amazing to watch Americans tear themselves apart. Tim Pawlenty Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh et. al. are achieving in quick time all that Bin Laden, Al-Qaida and the Taliban have failed to accomplish in over a decade. Is this the end of the great empire? In the annals of human history, not empire has survived more than 300 years. America's time is at hand!!
Of course Representative Rangel is right. Why do you think all the right wing nuts are coming out with guns staped on, statements of fear about the President speaking to school kids and statements of health care being Obama's vision of Socialism. These are all codes aimed at getting the majority of white people to protest the Presidents actions. Nobody ever acted this way toward Bush. Wake up Jack. You might have other problems with Rangel but don't claim he does not know racism when he feels it.
Jack, all charley is just trying to bring up other matters even the race card to get poeple off his back. but i feel that i almost can not take anymore, for years poeple where called unamerican, now things have changed , its now poeple who do not think there way then there nazies. i watched a woman in a wheel chair with 2 life threating ailments, being told that she needed to take control of her life, and a man say "handicapped women have more rights than i do" in the last 9 years there has been so much hate poured into the melting pot of america , it now the what about me generation, over 40- 60 % of the poeple complaining about everything in town hall meetings where bussed in by big companys who want no health reform, this has been proven over and over , and the names of the corperations have been brought out by yhe media , yet we are headed for a have and have not america, the true fact is the republican party is so out of it from looseing everything after they bankedruped the country and blame ever one but them selfs , more millioniares where made in the bush 8 years then in the history of america ,yet alot of them will be sucking this country dry as long as they can keep the 2 wars going. ken
Congressman Charlie Rangel is certainly not out line for his comments. Number one if thats his opinion he has a right to express it.
Number two do you think because we elected a bi-racial president that means that America is longer a racist country? Of course racism still exist.
these people are making it blatantly obvious by their hate messages aimed directly at the President goes a lot deeper his policies. No matter what he does they criticize his every step and every waking moment. You cant please them. When people have such a narrowed minded one sided viewpoint it makes me strongly question there true intentions.
And its sad because these poor ignorant souls are simply being used as pawns to halt the wheels of progress.
But you know who is not being heard, the millions people like myself who have worked hard their whole life and have never been able to afford any health coverage. What about us?
I have seen some loaded questions in my time and this one is right up there. We need to separate the message from the messenger, whatever one might think of Rangel's personal ethics or lack thereof.
As a Caucasian, I strongly believe that the point he makes about racism underlying the hysterical reaction to almost anything Obama does, and which originates from a small but vociferous minority deserves serious consideration. What other explanation is there, for example, to the vitriolic response, to the President's upcoming speech telling our children to work hard and stay in school.
Obama's election may have shown that the majority of Americans can get beyond the issue of skin pigmentation. Nevertheless the utterly banal nature of the attacks emanating from the birthers, deathers, teabaggers and their moronic ilk is a strong indicator that emotion and not logic is the factor motivating these members of the lunatic fringe. With the history of this country in mind, who could seriously doubt that it is race that is stoking the emotions of these people? Do we really need them to put on their sheets in order to reach that conclusion?
Jack, I have sat at home for months wondering when someone would call all this opposition not only to health care but everything the President does what it really is about. How many times have you seen people call for the death of a President and get away with it. When Rangle says it is about race you get offended I'm offended because you think something is wrong with what he said.
Charlie Rangel is right on. Race bias and hatred exists widely in this country. Sad, but true. To believe otherwise is total denial. Obama doesn't have a chance. I live in a rural city in Arizona and most of our "white" acquaintances hate him unabashedly calling him names I cannot repeat. This was true before, during, and after the election. I am especially ashamed my peer group of 65+. They are only concerned about themselves and their medicare coverage, too stupid to realize they won't have it much much longer if we don't get a total overhaul.
Lake Havasu City, AZ
Jack I usually agree with you, but you're wrong about this. I've been waiting on the left to start calling Republicans out. I cannot believe this group of "patriots" with such love for country all of a sudden are afraid of the government. With Obama comparisons to Hitler and a fear of even letting him speak to their children, what else could it be? They don't let their children get involved with everyday African-Americans, of course they wouldn't dare let their children become "brainwashed" by the President. I have NEVER been more disappointed in this country.
Not at all !!!
I’m an old white male (not angry) who lives in an area where many actually hate (HATE) the President not because of his policies or ideas but simply because he is black.
They blame him for everything and have done so since November last year.
Yes, Mr. Rangle is wrong to use the race card, with all of the trouble he is in himself. But he is probably correct in his thinking as I have relatives that say he should never be President because he is black, I remind them he had a white moter and was raised by his white grand-parents, and I believe he is very qualified to be President, he is a very smart man, I just wish he would quit thinking that he has to appease the Republicans in order to get anything done on the Health Care changes that need to be made. I thought he was smart enough to know by now that the Republicans are not going to work with him on anything. I wish he would go back to being firm as he was on the campaign trail, and go for the Health Care Bill he promised the American people.
Also Jacky boy... how can you miss the race issue in the Health Care debate? its rather obvious to any one with half a brain...white folks by and large have health care and black people by and large dont have a health care? its not rocket science Jack, oh well on the other hand maybe it is for an old white fart like you? like all the other old white folks in AmeriKKKa, you just cant get your head around the fact that you ahve a Black man as president......thats why you are asking such dumb questions!
Charles Rangel is absolutely correct. Many the negative comments about the President are from citizens that did not and never will vote for a Black men. The President can never do anything to pleases this group
He may have his own issues that he needs to deal with, but regarding the President he is definitely not far off the mark. There are people that don't like the misinterpreting issues that they think the president is about, however, there are many many many that are on that band wagon because of him being black. He is not even given respect as other Presidents that people disagree with, yet he has not shown us any disrespect. This is because he is looked at as beneath them. They treat him as if to say, who the hell this "boy" think he is. All the Republican's have done is allowed the racist people to hide under their umbrella of issues. Many black people see racism when it is inflicted upon us, but we are usually too stunned initially to react. We usually first think about it over and over again within ourselves to make sure that that's what happened. However, we usually try and not call it even when we do see it, because we don't want to 'play the race card'. It is out there and when it comes to the President, it is out there in a vengeance.
I hate to say this, jack, but he's right. From what I've seen and participated in, the movement for health care reform is diverse in age, status and ethnicity. All of the "tea-baggers" want to take the US back to the days of black slavery, no rights for women and the only health care was leeches.
In other words, (in spite of what they say they believe) they would be quite welcome at a Klan barbeque or a Nazi dinner.
I feel your comments re the Hon congressman, Charles Rangel, are out of line and show disrespect for the congressman as well as demonstrating bias yourself by bringing in comments re his financial records. The Congressman's finances has nothing to do with the President's proposed speech. As an African American who has experienced the subtle and not so subtle racism alive and well in this country, I applaud the President not only reaching out to U.S. adult citizens of this country but the children who live here too. I concur that criticism of President Obama's proposed education address to children sadly shows how many American citizines are guilty of the racial bias that is all too prevalent among Americans unhappy that an African American might be bright enough and caring enough to want to speak to our children and grandchildren.
It's clear as day, The only reason people are questioning everything obama's doing is because he's a Black man. It's really starting to get old, if they didnt trust his judgement why did u elect him, and obama is showing weakness. He's not showing he's a leader of the free world. Leader's Like bush, clinton, ect. just make decision not even caring about what people say. How many un advised decision did bush just make to put of economy in the dis aray it's in now. Unbelievable.
In Texas, Rangel is absolutely right. This state has the most backward, self-absorbed, mean spirited, narrow minded, and bigoted bunch of people in the Union. It is really scary. Wish I could move. I am 5th generation Texan so I have the right to criticize. Thankfully, I was fortunate enough to have lived in other parts of the world in my formative years.