Is Wisconsin make-or-break for Clinton?
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FROM CNN's Jack Cafferty:
Hillary Clinton has her eyes on the monster, March 4th contests in Ohio and Texas, but today's Wisconsin primary could prove to be a crucial race for her.
A win could reinvigorate her campaign and perhaps grab back some of the momentum that seems to be all Barack Obama's at this point. A loss could raise some serious questions about whether she has anything left.
Wisconsin is made up of lots and lots of voters who you'd think would support Clinton. It has been described as "practically tailor-made to resuscitate Clinton's campaign."
For example, 9 in 10 of Wisconsin's Democratic voters in 2004 were white. Clinton has so far been holding an 11% point advantage over Obama among whites. Also, working class people make up a larger proportion of Wisconsin's population than the rest of the country's Democrats. And, the state's voters tend to be a bit older than the national Democratic average.
One Democratic pollster even says Wisconsin is a place where Clinton should do better than everyone expects her to do.
But there are some wild cards out there. Turnout could be larger than in 2004, throwing off some of these estimates. Plus Wisconsin is an open primary, meaning Republicans and independents are free to vote in the Democratic primary. With McCain all but a cinch for the GOP nomination, that could happen. And from what we've seen so far, that would tend to favor Obama.
Here’s my question to you: Is the Wisconsin primary a make-or-break race for Hillary Clinton?
Interested to know which ones made it on air?
Bob writes:
Wisconsin is only important in that if she wins big, it should give her some momentum. But what really matters are Texas and Ohio. If she doesn't win both of those by wide margins, and then do the same in Pennsylvania, I don't think she'll have a chance - unless of course, her efforts to change the rules end up working for her.
Deb from Lancaster, Pennsylvania writes:
Should Hillary Clinton lose in this "tailor-made" state, it would indicate a solid shift of not only momentum but more importantly of the political thought-process. If she loses another previously considered "in-the-bag" primary, the message is clear: For the good of the party, Hill, step aside. Being married to the president does not make you qualified.
Aaron from Wisconsin writes:
It’s make-or-break for Hillary. I'll tell you what: I was originally backing Obama, full of hope from his ideas and determination of inspirational size. Then, I find out those speeches he had me hooked on were recycled from other politicians, the ones he claims are the status quo. I vote Hillary.
Penny from Wisconsin writes:
Even though Wisconsin is the perfect place for Hillary to make a comeback, it all comes too little too late for the voters. We Wisconsin voters can tell that she only cares about us now because it can refuel her campaign. Barack has been paying attention to us all along.
Roger from Dallas writes:
Jack, We are watching the Wisconsin primary with great interest as our chance to vote comes up in two weeks. Tomorrow Sen. Obama will be here and the excitement and enthusiasm is unlike any I have ever seen. We all have great respect for Senator Clinton, but Jack, I am 61 years old and haven't been this excited and pumped up about an election in more years than I care to think about. For once, we have a clear choice and not the lesser of two evils.
Joe from Ohio writes:
I think she could win Wisconsin and lose the nomination or lose Wisconsin and win the nomination. Can we just wait and see? I know it's not as fun as speculating but this election has taken us on a ride without a road map.
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No, unfortunately Wisconsin will be another split state that doesn't answer the question of who will be the nominee. I'm afraid that superdelegates will decide the Democratic nominee in 2008 the same way the Supreme Court decided the presidency in 2000.
Not by a long shot. Texas,Ohio and Pensylvania are more key.But its time that the question of either Clinton or Obama running as an Independent be raised.Given the states that have gone to each,as an Independent,each may carry enough states to win the Presidency over McCain.What about that scenario, Jack?
I really don't think Wisconsin is "make or break" with Ohio and Texas coming BUT even if it were, her and Bill's egos wouldn't let her quit. IF she loses in a close race, her campaign will try to spin it as a "victory". she's like the villan in a slasher horror movie. just keeps coming back no matter what happens.
Hillary,needs the win in Wisconsin but a loss will not stop her to fight to the very end for the nomination. She will use every trick in the book at any cost. If it appears she took the nomination via the Super Delegates or having Michigan and Florida added to the count she will destroy the democratic party.
Wisconsin? Nah, she already broke.
I am like hundreds of millions of people, maybe billions, who were really excited about her candidacy – a woman in the white house! It is time we elected a woman leader, etc. But her incessant bickering about give-aways and her (being the definition of The Washington Establishment) claims of being an agent for change, and her (and Bill's) negative campaigning have soured me and the other billions of people. She will lose Wisconsin, and Hawaii, and Texas, and Pennsylvania, and fade away ungracefully into that vast netherland of 'also-rans'.
Don't blame it on Wisconsin.
Wisconsin is not make or break for Hillary but is important. Based on demographics in Wisconsin Hillary is supposed to be able to win handily according to media statistics. Obama is breaking all of the media "rules" however" and I don't think Wisconsis helps or hurts her. Did New Hampshire help her any after her win. Not a bit!
Paul
Michigan
Jack,
No, she'll ride this baby straight into the convention. That's why we need the media, to help keep the heat on these super delegates to do the right thing.
Four words to remember after this day is over, Jack "All Talk Express, derailed"!
Matt in Miami, FL.
No. Texas will be Hillary's last stand. Wisconsin is just a watering hole on her final ride to defeat. With 228 delegates at stake and the polls showing Obama and Clinton virtually tied she can't win. When Clinton loses Texas it is all over for her. The super delegates can not save her even if her husband Bill is one of them.
Some words you may say when this day is over, All Talk Express derailed!
If Hilary doesn't win Wisconsin, she should get on the phone with some superdelegates ASAP.
I truly believe Wisconsin will be a make or break situation for Hilary. It is obvious Hilary's camp realizes this too as they step up their negative campaigning. If she was ahead in the race she would be sitting pretty not digging for dirt. All this knit-picking by Hilary concerning Obama is ridiculous. As we watched her campaign change consistently in response to her recent losses, she appears more bitter and desperate in her attacks. Did she not realize when she accused Obama of stealing his friend's words, that she too had stolen some of Obama's. Where did all this new found words about change come from? Hilary needs to cut out the pettiness because voters are not blind to her underhanded devices. Makes me wonder what other fault she will find with Obama...soon she will start to notice lint on his clothes or even in his hair...sigh!
Jack,
NO, Wisconsin is not a make or break State for Mrs. Clinton, But it could be a Break for Obama is he loses Wisconsin ! Face it, she's favored in ALL of the Big States that remain. As your John King as estutely pointed out, if either Candidate runs the table – they are both Still SHORT. What are we gonna do Jack ? Keep holding elections in Michigan & Florida until Obama wins ?
John, Spokane Valley, Washington State
I don't know if Wisconsin is a 'make or break,' race for her, Jack, but another loss here would simply mean Obama's delegate lead widens... And even if it's only a perception, Hillary's chances to secure the nomination would grow slimmer and slimmer. She and her staff know that.
That's why she's launched an all out attack, Jack.
In the Minneapolis paper this morning is a story about a woman who has always voted Republican, but who has now QUIT HER JOB to volunteer for Obama in Wisconsin and beyond. You can't rely on which groups traditionally support which candidate. The Obama camp is growing, and the converts are coming from all kinds of groups. (ok, not from far right) If Hillary Clinton can wiin in Wisconsin, it would be a big boost for her, but a loss will just raise the stakes for March 4. It is not make-or-break, but it will determine if she keeps bleeding all the way to Texas, or if the bleeding stops... for now.
Jack,
Hillary is on her last leg. She can't seem to get her crap together. She started off with "experience, then she jumped on the Obama theme about change and now she is in the "solution business. What will be next?
Wisconsin will be a make or break situation for Hilary and her entire camp realizes this too. Why else would she step up her negative campaigning, digging for dirt and coming up wid dust. Sigh...she really needs to stop insulting the intelligence of American voters. She accuses Obama of stealing his friend's words, but it is quite apparent that after her succession of losses, she changed her words to those of Obama and began screaming "Change". Makes me wonder what she will come up next...soon she will find lint in his hair or on his clothes...sigh...get off it Hilary... this type of petty, negative campaigning only insults the intelligence of American voters.
Hi Jack
I hope not
Obama is impressive in many respects, however it seems that people are ready to let McCain walk into the white house. Hillary is battle tested, Obama is a lightweight. I say this without hesitation, If Obama wins the nomination I will not Vote. Attacking the Clinton's instead of the Republicans is so troubling. People vote with their hearts instead of reality. Remember the whole county saw Bush as far less competent than Gore or Kerry and still voted that inexperienced, incompetent, English-language-mangler to 2 terms, now our country is in the worst shape it has been in since the great depression. Come on Democrats Vote reality and vote for Clinton, lets get our country back. Obama cannot beat McCain, the Republicans will dissect this dude like a biology project. Hillary will stand the pressure and Win in November
I hope so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Larry's wife from Georgetown, Tx
Absolutely,Yes! Hillary has got to stop the "Big Mo",and Wisconsin is going to give her that' WIN, Big Time"! She 'll also pick up Hawii for all it's worth. I also like to say that ,Michell Obama has put the brakes on Barack's foward progress, with her outspokeness!!!
Make or break? Come on now...a contest so close and one state make or break it? No way José, this contest will go until the Convention. And judging by Hillary's dirty play she'd take down the whole party with her if she has to. She will prove to be as stubborn as that other loser, Huckabee. Too bad.
No I don't think so, not according to all you in tv-land. You all said it was Ohio and Texas, What changing your mind now???
jack, absolutely, her supporters are gonna have a hard time buying her campaign spin after this one!
Make or break? Come on now…a contest so close and one state make or break it? No way José, this contest will go until the Convention. And judging by Hillary’s dirty play she’d take down the whole party with her if she has to. She will prove to be as stubborn as that other loser, Huckabee. Too bad.
New York City
Jack, why should it be a make or break win for either candidate? From what I hear from all the political spin artists, neither candidate will have enough to be declared the winner and that the superdelegates may be the ones to decide. That being said, I'm sure Hillary's campaign would benefit from the "momentum" of a win going into the next set of primaries. Even a close second is good since the delegates are handed out proportionately by the Democrats.
No, it isn't. Will all the votes be counted?
Only if she loses by a wide margin. But I don't think it is fair for republican voters to have a say on who the democratic party nominee is (and vice versa). And from my understanding there may be many republicans voting for Senator Obama (since McCain will get the nomination) not because they are for him but they are against Senator Clinton.
No Jack, if you think Huckabee is hanging in too long, Hillary will make him look as if he left too soon. As John King has shown us, even if either wins out on all states left, no one will have the magic number. Just thinking about that makes one wonder will this end in democrats once again never missing an opportunity to screw up.
BJ from FL
Wisconsin is not a make or break state for Hillary. A win would definately end some of that momentum Barrack has, but the states that are going to make or break this race is on March 4th. I have already participated in the early voting and was happy to see the amount of supprrt Hillary has.
Jack
Yes I believe this is the last hurrah for Hillary, if she doesnt win big in Wisconsin she has to consider packing it in. She is in trouble now if you have to resort to the kind of tactics she has been using in the last few weeks.
I think Clinton wants to win Wisconsin, but Wisconsin may end up breaking Clintons campaign options. Barack Obama is just to influencial over people.
I could only hope, but as it is, the Democratic race is as close as it gets. All things considered, it looks as if it is going down to the wire. But that is what makes any race exciting. I've seen more people voting this year than I ever have (on the Democratic side). This is Democracy at its best, and what helps keep politicians in check because they know they will have to answer to the voter. This works for both sides of the political isle. 06 was a wake up call for the Republicans, and better serve as a shot of caffine for the Democrats
I wouldn't say that it's "make or break", but she certainly needs a win to even keep up with Obama at this point. If she loses yet again, she better hope that either the Superdelegates or the states of Ohio and Texas come to her rescue.
Jack,
This is Hillary Clinton's last chance to chip away at Obama's momentum before the Ohio and Texas primaries. It is go big or go home. If Clinton can pull a win, it will show she has still something to offer. If Obama wins, this means he wins on Clinton's Turf . This, without a question, will solidify him as the leading democratic nominee.
Bill C
Schenectady, NY.
Jack, I think it is her mouth that will break it for Hillary. Every time she uses old time politics, she is saying: I am politics as usual; if you are tired of this vote for Barack. Also, if you want to hear issues without attacks on others, please turn me off.
No. She's going to win it all and one little defeat will not deter the Clinton machine.
I hope it's 'break'.....because her rhetoric is as old and stinky as the native cheese!
Patrick
Olean, NY
Wisconsin is not make or break for Hillary unless she is totally blown out which no one expects.Her real tests are and have been Texas and Ohio where possibly Michelle Obama"s comment about never in her adult life had she been proud of her country may help.I know I was personally offended by the statement ,there have been times I was ashaimed ,But I have always been proud of and being an AMERICAN.
Jack, I believe that Wisconsin is make or break for Hillary. Obama has energized young and African American voters like no one else has in years. If he pulls off the win in Wisconsin, it's all over whether the fat lady sings or not.
Tom, Rochester NY
I'm an Obama supporter and I don't believe Wisconsin will be a make or bread for Hillary until Hillary says so.
Who can we send to Washington to restore the Government "of the people, by the people and for the people." Hillary Clinton has taken too much lobbyist money, owes too many political favors and has too much baggage.
Jack, Wisconson isn't nearly as important, as the "Supredelegates" Hillery will use, to steal her party's nomination. The Superdelegates will make or break Billery.
the answer is no .
It dosen't matter how the Media spins it Hillary will be the loser.
If she wins, it'll be the state was favorable to her.
If she losers It'll be nine in a row for Obama and the glee will burst from the smiles on the medias faces.
Jack,
I actually believe it's the exact opposite situation. The pace of Obama's campaign has slowed down because his supporters are getting comfortable now that he is winning. If Hillary breaks the winning streak it will only do more to energize and motivate the Obama supporters, driving higher Obama turnout in the upcoming March 4th contests.
NO...It ain't over till it's over....Bill Clinton was counted out numerous times as Hillary has been. She is still in the race and WILL WIN IT...
I suspect a body language expert would tell you that she knows she has lost already. She is a proud fighter and isn't willing to throw in the towel until the ref counts ten. I'm proud she is an American, same for Edwards, Biden, Dodd, Kucinich, Gravel, Richardson, and Candy Crowley, who worked as hard as any of them.
As long as the Democrats continue with their "boiler room" politics, No. The Clinton camp is already working on ways to steal Obama's pledged delegates. And I hope this is the last time we ever have to worry about the term "super delegates". The whole scheme stinks. The Democrat super delegates stealing Americans' voted results is no different than Bush stealing American's rights via spying. Both Clintons will stop at nothing to get back in the WH.
It will not make or break her campaign at all.
But the way the Media is in their Biased way of reporting "All things Negative" about the Clinton Camp and "All thins Positive" about the Obama Camp. It amazes met at how close this race is. I guess people really are tuning out the Media rhetroic and using their own heads when they decide who they are going to vote for.
Yes, Hillary needs Wisconsin or she can go home and stop the negative campaign ads which all of us are sick of seeing. We want to hear what each has to say on the issues, but after 18 debates I guess we should know. If she doesn't win Wisconsin, we will have another week of negative ads again. Come on Hillary, play the game and if you aren't strong enough without bashing your opponent, get out of the race. you won't be strong enough tobe our leader either.
I don't think it is a make or break for Hillary............it is the beginning of the end of her historical dream......madame president
Jack,
Her best scenario in Wisconsin is to lose by single digits... so they create more some spin. Else a 10 or more points win by Obama, racks up more delegates widens the gap and huge momemtum for him in Texas.
HRC may sqeak out a win in Ohio, but she'll most likely end up like Davey Crockett at the Alamo. He ran out of ammunition and his story ended.
Every contest seems to be make or break for Hillary as she continues to lose ground to Mr. Obama. Hillary could use a win tonight because she is in a slump and Obama's momentum is knocking the life out of her campaign. She needs a stop! The best offense is a good defense and if she does not get a stop tonight I think she is all but done. If she loses tonight it will be 4th and long from her own endzone.
Why do the media insist on talking about states?!
It's about delegates,
The goal is 2,025,:
Obama's got 1,263 pledged
and Clinton 1,212. (not including Florida)
That's only a difference of 51 with about 1,000 still to go!
Give me a break! It's still a dead heat.
Mike
We can only hope. Hope... see what I did there?
"A loss could raise some serious questions about whether she has anything left." You're really digging deep aren't you Jack? Are you kidding me? Just a few days ago she had not shot at winning Wisconsin. She has a shot at winning the state, and if she does, it will be a heckuva comeback. Even if she does lose Wisconsin, it's not a big state and she will have two weeks to focus on Texas and Ohio. If she loses those states, then we can start wondering if she has anything left. Let's not jump the gun here Jack.
It is not a break or make Wisconsin primary for Clinton! I wish it were so but with Ohio and Texas having primaries on March 4 the coup de grace may be administered then if Barack Obama wins either Ohio and/or Texas!Meanwhile Hillary Clinton will continue her negative win at all cost campaign that will only divide the Democratic party!
The Clintons won't for the public eye at least be broken until the convention. She has said she wont quit, and she is going to go all the way no matter what. She is a fighter, and will do anything to win. Even use her power and connections to subvert the will of the public. Thats not democracy. Thats Clinton's aristocracy. However, I think she thinks Florida and Michigan will be her Ace cards in the deck. In my opinion, if she lets her ego drag this whole process, then she will hurt the democratic party. Instead of democrats coming together their will be slash and burn.
Make or break...no,but it sure is nice for us in Wisconsin to actually matter.Hillary Clinton needs the win, but judging by the crowds and enthusiasm,especially when I saw firsthand the college turnout for an Obama rally in Green Bay she may well be chalking up another loss.
Momentum is everything and if she is unable to win here I believe it's the beginning of the end.
Elise
Sister Bay.Wi
If Clinton pulls out of this race, after today's results or later – it will be a reflection of the media's bias and the american people's shallowness. Obama is a rock star – dynamic, energetic, But how will his 'sophmore album' do?
Hillary may be 'old school' but we need someone who knows their way around the playground. Remember Jimmy Carter. Wonderfully intelligent – the best advisors – yet he was rail roaded and shot down continually. Gotta change from the inside out.
No, Jack, Wisconsin is historically a very liberal, letf-leaning place politically, and Obama should win such a natural consituency. But I think the clincher for him is that this is a same-day registration state with lots of college kids to last-minute into the booths. That would throw off all of the poolls, and make it look 'surge-like' for Obama again. Her campaign probably recognizes this and has continually planned to focus on more bread-and-butter states. (Too bad she's got to do Texas right now, though: 'Any man overAny Woman".)
Cindy
Massachusetts
"Make or Break" is a buck short and a dollar late.
Hillary is pushing negative now and is beginning to look like the Teachers Pet that has been out shined by the new kid.
I don't see here getting any more than 38% of Wisconsin.
Once she tries to pull more Negative in Ohio and Texas, all she will do just move more independants towards McCain, who out classes her by a mile!
Recycle Paper, not politicians!!!
<3
No, but it's going to get ungly! She don't have any quit in her that why us Dem love and hate her.
jack, if it is a break it, there will be no admission, i think these recent schrill comments only show desperation...they should stop it but probably will not. true colors showing? down in flames?
Nothing will deter this dynastic power house (Hillary) that will subvert the will of the majority to retain future power by any and all means. From refusing to disclose her financial record presently, to her obvious future despicable attacks on Obama, it's all politics that is accepted by the vast majority of Americans. I hear the sleaze attacks coming.
Both the Bush's and Clinton's should fade into history with their fat pensions and perks undeservedly earned. The Clinton's were not millionaires until their arrival in D.C.
No, this is not the end for Hillary. We women want her to stick it out like we always have to do. The world needs more women in politics. The men have made such a mess of everything. We women need the chance to turn things around. GO HILLARY!!!!
Jack,
I wonder what the spin would be from the Clinton camp if the shoe were on the other foot? Eight straight wins with a possibility of ten in a row, I think we all know that all the Clinton spinners would be shouting from the moutain top 'FIRED UP AND READY TO GO" Oops!! better check with Obama to see if it's okay to use his words.
O'Fallon Mo.
I strongly think that Wisconsin race would be neither a make nor a break for Hillary. If Hillary wins Wisconsin, the dead heat among democrats would only intensify. If she loses, it may ease up little bit. If I were a Wisconsin voter today, I would vote for Obama with the main intention of reducing dead heat and helping the party.
–Jyothi, Mckinney, TX
Jack,
It seems like something is happening and support is slowly rallying behind Clinton again. Obama was fresh and new but it seems like it has run its course for many. It will be interesting to see if the Wisconsin numbers support this. As far as make or break, no. None of the cnn experts seemed to think she had a chance in Wisconsin last week so it will be viewed as a upset if she pulls it off.
It seems to me that Hillary needs to start catching up to Obama. Whatever happened to her being the leading democratic candidate? A loss in Wisconsin would further prove to the American people that she's not our guy and Obama will be the only viable candidate who can beat McCain. You can see the desperation from the Clinton headquaters– accusing Obama of plagiarism. Is that really the best she can do? Give me a break!
Tony
Medford, NY
It seems Wisconsin – and each succeeding primary is a TEST of Hillary's future. Momentum is not static, by definition. Obviously – the weight of win after win adds more and more emphasis to the fact that she is done. Put a fork in her – and more than her – in Bill. One wonders if he wants it more for HIM or for HER!
Jack,
I think it is... for the democratic party! If Hillary Clinton wins the nomination the Democratic party will lose the white house!!!
you can count on that fact!!! I personally Bet you $100 that Hillary Clinton is not going to bet John McCain!!!
For the sake of Democracy, I hope not. It shouldn't be over until Every State and Every Voter has had an equal opportunity to participate.
It's definitely an important day!
My hope is on Hillary, who has the extensive, complex background needed for this job. She's intelligent, she's experienced, she's vetted, and she's more than capable to jump in on DAY ONE to run the government business.
As every working woman knows, she has to work HARDER than a MAN
to get the SAME job, or the SAME paycheck or COMPARABLE praise.
And SHE WILL! VOTERS: Give her a chance!
It's not "make or break" until March 4th. If she doesn't win both TX and OH by large margins, she'll be at an insurmountable disadvantage. She'll be able to spin tonight's results, but tonight's the last time it'll work.
I don't know but I sure can't wait to see her wearing a cheese head.
If Hillary wins it means she will get the nomination with the momentum it will give her. and if it is close she 'll have to win in Texas, Ohio.
Wisconsin isn't particularly make or break for Hillary. If she wins, it's a nice story for her as she blunts some of Obama's momentum. If she loses... well, she was expected to lose, anyway. The real make or break stop for her is March 4th. If she can't convincingly beat Obama in BOTH Ohio and Texas, it's all over.
No way, Jack! She'll will make her stand at the Alamo!
It won't be a make-or-break state for Hillary, because even if Obama wins, it won't be by a significant margin, meaning his lead in the delegate race would have a minimal increase. She can escape today with two losses and still survive until Super-Tuesday II, on March 4th. The only risk she runs by losing Wisconsin is allowing Obama's surge of momentum to carry him to victories in Texas and Ohio. Some of us vote on issues, some on character, but it is a sad reality that some voters just want to support a (perceived) winner.
Robert from Houston, TX
I think that if Hillary does not win Wisconsin today she should seriously consider bowing out of the race. Obama will have one 9 in a row... and Hillary will not be able to overcome that momentum.
Wisconsin is not make or break for Clinton. Texas and Ohio are. If she doesn't get one or both of those states the rest of the way to the convention will be for show only.
Wisconsin is a "make" for Hillary– if she wins unexpectedly (b/c let's face it, everyone is predicting Obama in all three states today), she can snatch some of his momentum and defeat him on March 4th, leading to questions of whether Obama has anything left in him. If Hillary loses, it's not shocking and shouldn't detract from her momentum–it will just add to Obama's.
The primaries on March 4th are make-or-break for Hillary. If Obama wins tonight and snatches either Ohio or Texas, I'd say it's over for Hillary. She's banking on those two big wins. A loss in either one would spell disaster for her.
I'd also like to add: Go Obama!
Muskegon, MI
Jack, of course it's make or break for the rest of the United States. But knowing Hillary's ego, there is no way she will give up until the DNC.
This IS make or break for Hillary....but as we recall from a famous line during the first Clinton era ... "It's for CHANGE stupid" . Hillary is NOT change...Mr. Obama is...that's the bottom line...
Absolutely. A poor showing continues her decline. However, just because she is down does not mean she will go away. She will just turn more desperate and vicious, tearing at the heart and soul of the Democratic party as her campaign has already shown when it is up against a wall.
Wisconsin is only important in that if she wins big, it should give her some momentum. But what really matters are Texas and Ohio. If she doesn't win both of those by wide margins, and then do the same in Pennsylvania, I don't think she'll have a chance - unless of course, her efforts to change the rules end up working for her.
Nope
Pennslyvania is the key.
Although Clinton essentially blew off Wisconsin, it is not make or break for her. However, she must win Texas and Ohio SIGNIFICANTLY - not just by a few percentage points - in order to remain viable.
In a cheap word... "YES"! Obama will keep the mo going.
Hey Jack,
I think it's more like "stay" or break. If she wins she can stay in the race and make an argument that Obama's momentum has slowed. If she looses, she must realized that she's been railroaded by the Obama Express.
Of course not. No matter what happens tonight Hillary will never concede defeat. She thought that she had this nomination locked up and it is against everything in her character to give up. Hillary will continue with this battle royale cage fight until the bitter end and she will employ Bill Clinton to turn up the rhetoric to a notch that has never before been seen. Is it the end for her, quite the contrary, this is only the beginning of a knock down drag out war.
As to "Make or Break"...........NO!
I am so tired of the so-called TV political experts predicting this or that and asking questions like "Make or Break" For heavean sake, you all want to relegate the citizens in states like TX or OH to meaningless status by saying that because Iowa or NH voted a certain way that votrs in other states will leap like lemmings. Stop trying to make the news and just report the results without you so-called expert spin.
It ought to be make or break, but the Clintons won't take no for an answer. I was a fan of Bill Clinton's when he was in the White House, and after, I am now convinced the Clinton Co-Candidates will do anything–anything–to be restored to the co-presidency. They will sacrifice their party, their dignity and the Democrat's chances for election in November in their obsessive quest for power. I have voted in every election since I came of age, and I've always voted Democratic. If she manipulates and slanders her way into the nomination, I will not vote Democratic. I will not vote.
The real outcome of the Wisconsin primary is that if she manages to win it-or come close, it will justify her campaign's use of negative ads and she will continue, ad nauseum. Obama just needs to keep doing what he is doing and let the Clinton machine wreck its destructive path (destroying both Senator Clinton's career and the Democratic party along the way).
I don't know if it's make or break, but I do know it's not true that she "gets a bounce" if she "comes close" in losing. That's the spin her handlers want us to hear. If it's close, the delegates will be split evenly and she won't pick up any ground. She has to win to get a bounce. When the Patriots were on their roll during the regular season, a couple of teams gave them a tough game. But as those teams found out, a well-played loss is still a loss. If she doesn't win tonight, she loses. Simple as that.
If Clinton loses this state, it can and will break her chances at the nomination by adding to the Obamomentum...
If she wins, it'll hardly make her nomination but her chances will increase to some extent
The demographics of the state are strongly in her favor and if Obama proves her equal in the state, it'll be a virtual win
Yes if she fails everyone will doubt her and go Obama(even though McCain is our 44th Romney our 45th)
No. The fact that she spent only 3 days in Wisconsin to campaign and spent more of her time (after the Potomac primaries) at both Texas and Ohio, it only shows that she doesn't think Wisconsin is a big priority for her.It would be intersting if she loses Wisonsin and Hawaii if she would then give that sour-grape remark that these 2 states don't matter anyway to a Democrat in the general election.
Of course, if Hillary does not win Wisconsin she can start writing her concession speech.
"Make or break" assumes that Senator Clinton's campaign is not already broken...it is and even with the nomination, which is not likely, she loses in November.
Santa Fe, New Mexico
If Hillary loses Wisconson, She might as well throw in the towel.
No, I really don't think so Jack. Hillary has too much support to just bow out because of ONE state. Yes, she has lost many a state recently, but I think Ohio and Texas are her calling. I'm from Cleveland, Ohio and based on what I've seen, she will take Ohio. Also, if Mrs. Clinton does win, it will help her BIG time. However, if she loses I think it will just show that the Democratic race is still a tie basically.
I think she could win Wisconsin and lose the nomination or lose Wisconsin and win the nomination. Can we just just wait and see? I know it's not as fun as speculating but this election has taken us on a ride without a road map.
Its make-or-break for Hillary. I'll tell you what, i was originally backing Obama, full of hope from his ideas and determination of inspirational size. Then, I find out those speeches he had me hooked on we're recycled from other politicans, the ones he claims are the status quo. I vote Hillary.
If Hilliary doesn't take Wisconsin, the proverbial fat lady will begin to warm up her voice. It becomes more clear each day that Obama is the people's candidate.
No. Texas is. Anyone paying attention the polls would know that. If and when she loses Clinton will say that Texas is he firewall and the start of her comeback.
The problem for her is that Obama is catching up to her there. The only thing we can predict in this race is a lot of attacks coming in the upcoming debate which I will stop watching when I here the first negative remark.
Absolutely not, though the press will probably perceive it to be that way. Why aren't you asking if Wisconsin is make or break for Obama? Delegates counts are within a hair of each other and Hillary is strong in the upcoming states. Perhaps it is Obama who needs the win, but this question would never be couched that way.
It is my sincere desire and hope that Obama prevails and that John Edwards is chosen as his running mate. What an awesome team (all four of them) would make.
I do not think that is going to necessarily break her if she finishes within 5 delegates of Obama. Although I do believe she should have campaigned there more than what she has. The Clinton's are still trying to get the 3 major ones remaining, and I think they will declare victory and keep moving if its close. Remember your exit poll and USA Today polls do not mean anything, she could be behind in the percentages but still win in the delegate column.
To say that Wisconsin is make-or-break for Clinton then means it would be make-or-break for Obama as well. I don't see how a state whose delegates will be split evenly is going to have a major impact on either campaign. Obama has enough of a delegate lead before today such that he will still have the lead after today. Therefore anything short of a lead change from now on will be insignificant.
Wisconsin is not a make or break state for Hillary. The reason is the race is to close to call with the estimates all are using. Correction not estimates, guesses.
Darryl S.
Cleveland, OH
No. I think it's going to be Ohio and Texas. I do believe she will do exceptionally great today unlike most polls suggest. she still has a shot at this nomination provided the media stop nip-picking on her campaign, and focus more on Barack Obama,s rhetorical statements that have working until now.
Wisconsin is not a must win for Clinton, Jack. However, if she did win, it would gain momentum for her campaign. I recall, only a week ago, pundits saying she would need a miracle to win Wisconsin. However she has a problem arising in Texas. If Obama takes Texas, he will have the nomination.
Even though Wisconsin is the perfect place for Hillary to make a comeback, it all comes too little too late for the voters. We WI voters can tell that she only cares about us now because it can refuel her campaign. Barack has been paying attention to us all along.
This race is over already. I believe the American public is tired already of having Clintons and Bushes in the White House over the past twenty years.
Jack: We are watching the Wisconsin primary with great interest as our chance to vote comes up in 2 weeks. Tomorrow Sen. Obama will be here and the excitement and enthusiasm is unlike any I have ever seen. We all have great respect for Senator Clinton, but Jack, I am 61 years old and haven't been this excited and pumped up about an election in more years than I care to think about. For once, we have a clear choice and not the lesser of the evils. Yes, for Hillary to continue to be a viable candidate she needs to do well in Wisconsin, but here in Texas we have Obama fever and for the first time in a long time, I can proudly cast my vote without a bad taste in my mouth.
Texas = Hillary Clinton's Alamo. Remember the Alamo!
I heard on c-span this morning , a republican woman said she is going to vote in the Texas primary for Obama because she wants Hillary to go away. If this is true that this can happen,how can it be a true vote of the democrats. I am for Hillary and the only way that it is make or break is because of YOUR media bais reporting
Should Hillary Clinton lose in this "tailor-made" state, it would indicate a solid shift of not only momentum but more importantly of the political thought-process. If she loses another previously considered "in-the-bag" primary, the message is clear:
For the good of the party, Hill, step aside. Being married to the president does not make you qualified.
Wisconsin is make or break for Hillary and if she honestly wanted to do well here then she should have spent more time here instead of sending Bill and Chelsea. Obama was here for at least a week campaigning for himself. He rallyed people and should have a good base behind him. I could see Obama winning here.
Wisconsin is not make-or-break but the cracks will be visible. Clinton needs the win to stop the momentum Obama has been gaining in the past few weeks going into the March 4th primaries in Texas and Ohio. If she can't win in Wisconsin, then winning in Texas, let alone Ohio is slim.
If she loses Wisconsin, it will blow the lid off her campaign and disclose the mess that is it is. Hillary has mismanaged her campaign by being a short-sighted leader. Because Hillary could not see pass February 5th, her campaign didn't have a ground game in Wisconsin. Hillary has ran her campaign in the same manner President Bush is running the war.
Three "words" for Hillary: There's no hope!
Is it finally make or break in the Democratic Primary?
I'm doubtful, though I feel like we'd all like to see this race over, except perhaps the media.
Wisconsin is absoluetly make or break for Sen. Clinton. Sen. Clinton will not carry Sen. Obama's birth state of Hawaii. Texas is a virtual tie and Obama has trimmed the lead in Ohio from 21% to 14% and counting. If Sen. Clinton loses in Wisconsin, there's no catching Obama.
Good Afternoon Jack,
Unfortunately, it'll not be over, we'll have to endure much more Clinton Clan tacticts, strategies, the negative campaigning which they I believe make known as 'Solutions'. The Delegate being grabbed tonight probably won't make that much of a difference in the total amount of Delegates awarded to each candidate, no matter who'll win percentage-wise.
Since the Clinton Clan is now all the way diving into their 90s-tactics, and laying open their dirty way of making politics once again, we hope that the American People will finally remember, and ultimately go with Obama or McCain. Thank goodness.
I love it! Hillary might pull it off but not sure and if she does she is back in the race. I thought this should be a shoe in for her everyhting fits her criteria – working class older, catholic. Obama they say has no experience and Hilary does I guess as the first lady of the president.
If Barack Obama looses it's what will his campaign do! hello he run eight straight.
You dummies keep throwing your vote away on Obama and at the same time get ready for 4 more years of the same because Mccain can beat Obama with out even having a debate. Obama will beat himself. Wanna see some fireworks? Vote for Hillary. She is the only way a democrat will live in the white house, bring our troops home and restore the American dream.
Its very distrubing that the clinton Machine is pulling every trick in their sleeves to discredit Obama's campaign. I believe Obama will win and Hillary will get better than 40- 48% of the votes.
Paul
Phoenix AZ
Jack, you ask if Wisc. is make or break for Sen. Clinton? Has anyone thought possibly that it might be make or break for Sen. Obama? If he doesn't do well in Wisc. and than comes Tex., Ohio, and Penn. and he doesn't do well? Is he than finished?
There seems to be this rush on behalf of the media to anoint Obama a winner that is sadly reminiscent of the media's hatchet job of Gore in 2000. Wisconsin is a primary. Just that. Obama has proved he can win the smaller states, Clinton the larger ones. That's the only difference. The other difference is the media falls over itself to highlight Obama's wins, while pooh-poohing Clinton's impressive wins in California and Florida. Call me when Obama wins Texas. Then he can arguably have the momentum, not the media-driven momentum predicated on this love affair that you seem to have with Obama.
I always find it interesting how many people talk about WI as a "working white state"
Only once have I actually seen a news broadcast mention the fact that there are a large number of students. I may be a working class citizen, but I am a student. There is a whole subclass of people like me also.
A large show of people have made appearances for Obama in the
If Hillary does not win Wisconsin, her campaign should just go join Obama's campaign and get a couple of lessons abot how to run one. If Hillary could not rum a campaign, how does she expect to run a country? She took for granted that everyone knew her name, she assumed that her fame and fortune will win her the nomination without working for it. She is a devisive and presumptuious woman and as a woman I am sorry that she did not give me the opportunity to vote for a female president. Obama has run an awesome campaign and I believe the country needs someone just like him! I hope he wins the nomination, just so I am left with MCcain as a choice. I would never vote for Hillary !
If Hillary doesn't win this primary, or at least make it a close race, the final countdown for her campaign will begin.
Hillary needs to pick up speed and start making a comeback. If she doesn't start today it will be to late and Obama will ride his wave of success and take the nomination, if not by raeching 2,025 then by winning the super delagates.
No Jack, it's not. Hillary is already done.......she just doesn't know it.
Whoops!! Of course I meant positively...heh heh !!!!
No. If she loses by a close margin, then look for her to declare a victory because Obama raced to WI right after the Potomac primaries while she was in TX and OH for most of this time. Not to mention he had more campaign headquarters, outspent her, and had more organizers on his behalf.
Jack, contrary to your expectation, Wisconsin is not a make or break for Hillary. We have Texas, Ohio, and Penn. Cool off, Jack!
Jack
If she looses by a significany margin, it is BREAK
If not, or if she win, she has a chance, But if Texas do not improve
significantly, sge is done anyway !
TOM
No, She needs to win at the Alamo. Texas well or well not cook her beef.
Wisconsin is important in this race for the Democratic nomination, but not make-or-break for Hillary. I think that this game of big expectations is more a media tactic to keep people watching their shows and their commercials than a true political reality. Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania are really important.
Jack, If Hillary loses Wisconsin she may as well jump on the Obama train and ride it across Texas. She should do some serious thinking about what she is doing to her party. Obama rocks here in Kentucky.
Steven, Kentucky
This is a state that is tailor made for Hillary, and she should win. And if she dont, i think it will spell real trouble for the Hillary. This could potentially give the Obama campaign real momentum.
Chris
Evanston, IL.
Well with 0-9 for Hillary Clinton, Wisconsin seems to be the day her campaign will go on a life support should she not win. Then come March 4th the plugs will be disconnected after a colossal loss in Texas. Thereafter her campaign epitaph will be written: from a likely winner few months ago to a big loser
No I do think that her campaign is over if she does not win Wisconsin. It seems to me that she still has a good chance of winning in Texas and Ohio which would bring her back up to a tie with Barack or maybe even bring her back above him.
Dear Jack,
The answer has to be "NO". I find it hard to believe that the powers that be intended Wisconsin's open primary to be a spoiler in Hillary's run for the White House. I am embarassed to know many well-educated McCain supporters who are intentially voting for Obama in the Democratic primary in hopes of spoiling Hillary's race for the Presidency. I wish it were otherwise...seems like a vehicle for voter abuse to me.
Regards,
Sharon Madnek
No, Jack. That woman and her husband will transform themselves into pretzels, wear Wisconsin cheese on their heads, moo like Texas longhorns or shuck themselves like Ohio sweet corn in order to be restored to the co-presidency in November.
I think 12 losses in a row should signal the end for Hillary's campaign. But, of course, it won't. It's going to take a loss in Texas or Ohio before she'll finally see the writing on the wall.
And if that doesn't happen, I think she'll fight on to the convention–try to get superdelegates, try to seat delegates from Michigan and Florida who she earlier said shouldn't be seated. I think she and Bill Clinton will fight for this nomination to the bitter end, even if she destroys the Democratic party in the process.
Jack,
Sadly, no. The Clintons will make Huckabee look like a quitter. If they can weasel the Florida and Michigan delegates, the game isn't over. But, the election will be. Hello, President McCain.
Rick
Lincoln NE
Jack. This is certainly a big NO. You’re sure to hear more rhetoric accusations if she looses
Hey Jack. If Clinton Wins it will be because the Republicans have gone out and voted for her. They are afraid that Obama can beat John McCain.
I hope so. Hillary can break us – our country, our families. My husband is as negative about Hillary as I am about George W. Bush. Barack can make us united, hopeful and proud again.
If Hillary wins Wisconsin it well be the beginning of the end of Obama. If she is within a few percentage points of Obama a state where he was expected to win, Obama will be the one on the downward slide.
I think that if it is an open primary, Wisconsin will go to Obama. The trend has been that Obama has won in states that go Republican in the general election. Coincidence? Well, perhaps I am a conspiracy theorist, but I would not be surprised if I found out later that Republicans went to vote for Obama to get Clinton out of the way. I think the Republican party in general believes they would have an easier time with Obama in November. Lets see....
Senator Clinton is likely to lose Wisconsin and the nomination for many reasons, but more immediately because of the negetive ads and attacks by her and President Clinton against an opponent who showed extraordinary grace when attacked, and comes across so very agreeable even when he makes a comment that might be mildly negetive.
no – I think it may be Obama's. A WI victory reinforces her argument that Obama can't win elections (only caucuses); sets the momentum rolling for Texas and Ohio Clinton victories; and may force Obama's camp to re-think his superdelegate argument (that they should vote with the majority) since she gets back into potential a delegate lead – leading to potential flip-flopping. We all know what happens then.
Fingers crossed for Barack, hope his volunteers wore longjohns...
Tom McGee, Toronto, Canada
Ironically, I think Wisconsin likes to support the underdog and it seems that Hillary is now fulfilling that role – so she may do better than originally predicted.
I am a strong supporter of Obama – I think he provides vision, hope, and an authentic voice to foster change. Interestingly, he has been challenged so often around the notion of experience – but John F. Kennedy didn't have much more experience than him, but he too gave us the liberty and license to believe in the future!
Michael from Keshena, WI
Menominee County/Reservation
(One of the strongest voting Democratic counties in the country!)
Make or break? Already broke!
Jack
of course not. but obviously it wont help if she loses.
next stupid question please
For the reasons you stated, Jack, Clinton should win Wisconsin by a respectable, if not wide, margin. If she loses it, that could indicate that Obama is making inroads in Clinton's main demographics - a trend that is more likely to continue than to stop with a loss here.
From where I sit (Texas), I see an Obama camp that is way ahead on its ground game. This makes me wonder whether Obama's ground organization has had some effect in overcoming Clinton's advantages with certain demographic groups. Polls don't measure this factor, and the Dem polls have been wildly wrong these days.
For all that, I do think it's Texas that will be either Hillary's Alamo or her San Jacinto.
Wisconsin is indeed a state that Hillary Clinton should be looking at carefully. Should Clinton lose Wisconsin, a state that plays to her advantage, doubts will be raised about her effectiveness. While the stereotype of Wisconsin plays to Clinton's favor, my experience here at the University of Wisconsin, Eau Claire has shown me that Barack Obama has reached out to the college age crowd on a level far above Clinton. Whether or not we as college students can sway a vote in a state that is seen as a perfect fit for Clinton will be determined today. Whatever the outcome, I am proud to be a part of history and this country's future.
Hilary will win Wisconsin. Barack will win Hawaii and Texas. Any questions? (If she loses Wisconsin, there can be no more questions, can there?
"It's getting ugly out there" Jack but no this will not make or break anyone's candidacy. As a biased Obama supporter, I think if she loses, it will show that people do not appreciate petty negative attacks. The Clinton team is desperate and are grasping at straws. If she wins, then we should all brace for more intense and petty negative attacks.
NO NOT AT ALL THE CLINTON MACHINE/REGIME CAN NEVER BE COUNTED OUT WE HAVE SEEN THEM SHAKE, RATTLE, AND ROLE OUT OF MANY SITUATIONS THIS WILL BE NO DIFFERENT..
I'm sticking with Hillary to the end. I don't believe in switching gears midstream to support a candidate just because it appears he's winning. If you like a particular candidate, you stick with them.
One way or another, this race has to end at some point. If Hillary cares about this country and party, she should step down and allow the Democrats to unite before the convention. I don't see this happening anytime soon.
Wisconsin IS make or break for Senator Clinton. The demographics of WI favor her and are also very similar to Ohio. Thus, is she lose WI, she may as well place Ohio in the "L" column. Furthermore, since TX is currently a dead heat, which will eventually tip in favor of Senator Obama, WI is a must win for Hillary Clinton.
It is a "break" situation for the Clintons. They need a win here to have any credibility left in their campaign to reclaim what they see as their entitlement , the White House. If the Clintons lose in Wisconsin, they will continue to wratchet up the negative attacks, but to no avail..... the writing will be on the wall that it is only a matter of time before their campaign train slips totally into the abyss.
I think that the American people will change their mind in the booth and pull the lever for Hillary. You can't change a thing until you have your house in order. We need experience... not promises. You can't change Washington, D.C. at the drop of a Bow Tie.
Unfortunately, Jack, there is no "make or break" for Sen. Clinton. I don't believe that anyone taking an honest assessment of this campaign can ignore that the Senator seems to be convinced that she cannot lose. Not in a confident way, mind you, but in the sense that she deserves the nomination and, by extension, the Presidency. The only candidate I can remember taking such a self righteous stance is President Bush in the '04 reelction campaign, which is a little funny, considering how different Sen. Clinton would like us to believe the two of them are.
Adam,
Hudson, WI
If she can't win the Cheese head vote, She's DONE
Jack – I don't think that "make or break" is in HRC's vocabulary. She is in this for the long haul, and I for one would be stunned to see her leave this dogfight until she has lost her last tooth and final nail. I am an Obama supporter and would love nothing more than to see her fade quickly, but as an American, I think that the ongoing discussion, excitement, even arguments, are ultimately good for democracy and will force us to remember that this is a government for, of, and by the people.
Jack,
If Hillary wins Wisconsin – it will be because the local radio stations- (better known as "The Republicans talking heads") will have told all its sheep to go out and vote for Hillary! They WANT her on the ballot come November because they think they can win against her! They have been planning it that way all along-and this Barack thing is throwing them all for a loop – they don't think they can win against him!
And I believe they are correct!! So if Hillary does win – it won't be a TRUE win, just another dirty trick by the Republicans. They make me sick!
Pat
Wisconsin is only make or break to the media who seem desperate to cut this race short. The delegate counts are way too close for a Hillary loss to damage her campaign. Now...if she loses in Texas and Ohio, then we can talk about problems.
Although Hillary winning Wisconsin would show a break in Barack Obama's momentum, the real issue is that a Hillary win will demonstrate that Barack's poor choice of words has effectly lowered voter moral among Barack's supporters. If he wins Wisconsin, talk about Barack's slip up would effectly cease but if it doesn't the media will keep hitting him hard and I think he'll have a tough time getting his momentum back.
I always find it interesting how many people talk about WI as a “working white state”
Only once have I actually seen a news broadcast mention the fact that there are a large number of students. I may be a working class citizen, but I am a student. There is a whole subclass of people like me also.
A large show of people have made appearances for Obama in the large blue collar areas where Hiliary is the supposed front runner.
I've also talked to many students who are republicans, who because of McCain's hefty lead and the open primary, are voting for Obama, Because they would prefere to see him win, over Clinton.
We are not a make or break state, there are ones comming up later; that doesn't mean you can put it outta your mind.
This year has already proven it will not be a regular election. I doubt its gonna change any primary soon.