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What impact could the Wisconsin recall election have in November?
June 7th, 2012
04:00 PM ET

What impact could the Wisconsin recall election have in November?

By CNN's Jack Cafferty:

Wisconsin's recall election could be a sign of things to come for unions and Democrats. Republican Gov. Scott Walker's victory is a big deal, and here's why:

Walker recognized the ruinous financial path we're on. He did something about it, and he prevailed. Despite howling from liberal critics, voters in Wisconsin stood by the governor and his effort to limit collective bargaining powers for public-sector workers. If Wisconsin gets it, maybe there's hope for the rest of us.

Consider this: Two of California's biggest cities are also backing moves against unions.

San Diego and San Jose voted overwhelmingly this week to cut the pensions of city government workers to save money. If it can happen in California - the bluest of the blue states - maybe it can happen anywhere, such as Washington, D.C.

Even many Californians understand that the costs of government pensions are killing us.

According to CNNMoney.com, the public pension fund gap for police, firefighters, teachers and other city, county and state employees could be as high as $3 trillion, and that doesn't even include the cost of retiree medical care.

Several city governments have already filed for bankruptcy protection, mostly because of pension costs.

Meanwhile, Walker says the recall results mean that it's now "competitive" there come November. This is a state that Barack Obama won by 14 percentage points last time around.

And it's not just Wisconsin. Other big union states might no longer be automatic check-offs for the president.

For example, former Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell is suggesting that his state is "definitely in play."

Here's my question to you: What impact could the Wisconsin recall election have in November?

Interested to know which ones made it on air?

W.R.:
The Wisconsin recall election placed liberals on notice. President Obama will lose in November in a landslide that will make Jimmy Carter's loss look like a win. When the unions turn against you, when your own party undermines your platform, you know it's time to panic.

J.:
As the Republicans strip unions of their retirement benefits, it will empower the Democrats to re-elect Obama. The fact is these public unions created Cadillac pension plans that governments would never be able to pay for. So they must be reduced.

Mack in Michigan:
Jack, You are grossly overestimating the intelligence and attention span of the voting public! 30 days from now the voting public will have moved on and won't even recall there was an election in Wisconsin. The big guns haven’t turned loose the heavy-money artillery on the voting public yet. That is when opinions will be bought and sold.

Jennifer:
I haven't a clue, but it's about time someone went after the unions.

Martha:
Likely not much. What happens nationwide between now and the election, especially with the economy, will have a far greater impact.

Roger in Myers, Florida:
I can't wait until we look at cutting pensions for Congress!

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  1. JD in NH

    We'll have to wait and see whether the governor is behind bars or not.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
  2. Bill of New Mexico

    It may be a harbinger of how the November elections are going to turn out for the Democrats.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
  3. KB and JB central Florida

    Certainly hope the recent results have positive impact for removing a destructive administration that now has the USA in a strangle hold, dragging the eonomy down further. The tremendous amount of money poured into the recall attempt (by Democrats) is just an example of the negative aspects of current admin. Can pray (while we're still allowed to) that eyes are wide open to the distortions of truth, re-writing of "history" and admit that broken promises are the foundation for the current potential disaster if drastic overhaul of gov't isn't made this fall.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
  4. Russ in PA

    Who cares? The MSM is busy talking about two politicians that aren't much different from each other: which one is talking about making significant cuts in defense and bringing home all troops? Which one is talking about ending the Patriot Act? Which one is talking about banning drone fly-overs in the US? Which one is talking about a non-interventionist foreign policy? Which one is willing to end the FED and the crony-capitalism? Really, what is the difference between Romney and Obama?

    Ron Paul in 2012...

    June 7, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
  5. jk in MN

    I hope that that it give a jolt to the rest of the American eelectorate do not forget how disasterous to our economy 6 years of GOP control of both houses of Congress and the White House was – remember September, 2008????; now that the Supreme Court has taken such a large step in wrecking our democracy with the Citizen's United ruling – all the billionaires are going to spend money on disceptive and misleading advertising to try to make American forget. It frankly scares me that this could easily happen again. Thanks again, Supreme Court for messing up democracy.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
  6. Martha Brooks

    Likely not much. What happens nationwide between now and the election, especially in the economy, will have a far greater impact. Besides, the "exit polls" showed that 51% of those voting in the recall supported Obama...so the whole thing, politically, was a wash. Next customer...

    June 7, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
  7. DaleW in MA

    It'll just increase the line of politicians and media moguls at the feeding trough of PAC money. Wisconsin proved big money can easily buy elections and the common person gets shafted again.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
  8. Jenna Roseville CA

    What impact could the Wisconsin recall election have in November?

    Sadly for the Republicans, no effect at all..

    Jenna
    Roseville CA

    June 7, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
  9. Michael "C" Lorton, Virginia

    Jack: One always tries to predict the outocome of a event that occurred to an event that is going to happen--that is vodoo politics. Captain Mitten is still going to have a very difficult road in Wisconsin regardless-although the President should have show his face as a political courtesy--but that is politics!

    June 7, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
  10. Josh from New Orleans

    The democrats spent 7 times LESS than the GOP and came nearly close to outing the republican governor. If the democrats and liberals spend as much as or more than the republicans during the presidential election, Obama should be fine. The impact is that money means more than the actual issues and having a level playing field.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
  11. Pete in Florida

    It COULD anger, scare and really fire up the left, and bring them to the polls in November, and COULD even cause many Independents to throw their supprt to progressives, but my guess is, Liberals and Democrats being so disorganized and weak, they'll just crumple and fold, and hand the reins over to the Repubs. The Repubs play nasty, dirty, dishonest hardball 24/7, while the Dems usually aren't even aware that they're in a fight. Say lies enough times without dissent, and lots of people start to believe them – this is the Republicans' strength, and the Dems have never learned how to fight back.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
  12. Bizz, Quarryville Pennsylvania

    The scary part of all this is the outside money that went into this election. The Republicans outspent the Democrats by 6 to 1 in money. Not sure how the results of this election will affect the presidential race? But I am sure that by allowing all this super pack money it will allow the 1% even more control over how our state and federal government is being run. We have already seen the destruction of unions which the 1% hates. It will only be a matter of time when every working American has their turn in the barrel while the 1% watches.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
  13. Rich McKinney, Texas

    It certainly is not a portent of things to come. This was no earth shattering election in fact it was a waste of time and millions of dollars that could have been spent elsewhere. Face it Jack. 98.2 percent of the people in America live outside of the state of Wisconsin. They will have to decide for themselves which cart to hitch their wagon to when the time comes.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
  14. Dave R

    It shows that recalls are a waste of time. People who win the elections do so because they get the most votes, and voters rarely change their minds. Thats also why encumbants win. Even with term limits, people would most likely vote for the same type of individual that they voted in before.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
  15. Steve, Clifton, Virginia

    The outcome of the Wisconsin recall elections could embolden and encourage Republican Super PACs to follow the Wisconsin model of spending 8 to 1 to influence the outcome of the November elections. Also, Republican candidates may start to feel its safe to ramp up their efforts to slowly erode the pension benefits that Federal public servants currently enjoy. The addition of Federal pensions as a part of the Republican platforms could drastically change the campaign landscapes for both the Dems and the Republicans.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
  16. calaurore9

    Full pensions for life will be a thing of the past. Good for the economy. Bad for Florida real estate.

    C. in Ma

    June 7, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
  17. Thinkforyourself, OK

    It shows that the Obama machine can and will be crushed.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
  18. James - Not Believing in the USA anymore

    Wisconsin will mean nothing just like it always has. But Wisconsin is actually a good example of lazy people and there short term memory. I hope all citizens remember that they are responsible for what happens just like the politicians. Please welcome your society that will be just like Greece in a very short period of time. Good luck to you all.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
  19. jedwordlee

    Well Jack...very little. While this is a victory for the GOP in Wisconsin, I hardly think that these results are some sort of 'magic 8 ball' for the outcome of the Presidential Election. I DO think that these results do show a more energised base in the GOP in Wisconsin, and that does take it from Obama-maybe baby blue to In Play yellow (a nod to John King). It just proves how polarized this election will be...perhaps the most polarized in modern history. The issues are jobs, the economy, housing, and foreign policy...and thats what Americans are talking about this go around. Wisconsin is up for grabs now...it will be interesting to see how much money gets spent in Wisconsin, who spends the mist money in Wisconsin, and who will eventually win these electoral votes come November. Five months is a long time.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
  20. Steve, NY

    I think it will have a great impact. During the night of the election Wolf/CNN stated that the exit polls showed that the results were 50% 50%. Well guess what those polls were way off. It was more like 60% 40%. Therefore what confidence do we have that the other poll that night that was taken, that 54% would vote for Obama. I don't think so. Polltakers must have been all Democrats.'The Government Worker's Union are screwing the Taxpayers. The Unions are collecting dues and supporting the Democrat politions. In turn the Politicians are supporting the Unions. Well guess what, even the union paying members are getting fed up with this bullxxx, and so are the taxpayers that pay high property taxes, sales taxes and state taxes. A lot of that money goes to the lucrative pensions of the union members. Unions have to go or they need to reform. Make it illegal for the unions to support politicians with member paying dues. Look what Walker has done in Wisconson, he turned the deficit into a surplus., created jobs, and lowered the proprty taxes. I wish that could happen in New York State. Lonoks like we not only need a Republican President but we could sure use a Republican Governor in New York state. Since Obama is a big suporter of Unions and the Unions are big supporters of Obama, this means a kiss of death for Obama in Novemberr. Taxpayers are fed up with this bull.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
  21. Richard Oak Harbor, Wa

    State laws prohibit public employee unions from going on strike while contracts are re-negotiated. Trouble is they go on strike anyway and then negotiate immunity from prosecution. Governor Walker went the extreme length of revoking the right of public employees to negotiate at all. If the Winsconsin recall debate affects the November election it should be to clarify public employee collective bargaining rules that addresses work stopage during negotiations. It's a state thing that needs federal guidance from both parties.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
  22. Steve, Clifton, Virginia

    As the late Tim Russet once characterized an impact of a Presidential election...."Florida, Florida, Florida ", the impact of the Wisconsin recall election could be "Federal Pensions, Federal Pensions, Federal Pensions".

    June 7, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
  23. Angela, Oregon

    Gov. Scott Walker will no-doubt be lauded as the next Republican McSuperstar, criss-crossing the country as a symbol for taking a stand amid the hoardes of liberals bent upon bringing us all down. Like Custer at the Little Big Horne he will stand proud, waving the flag, dodging the slings and arrows of reason, the star of PAC ads, the darling of the misinformed, and earn his rightful place in the hearts of Leno, Letterman and Fallon. God bless America!

    June 7, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
  24. Tom Bulger, Canandaigua, NY

    Big Oil and Big Business in general will see that they can buy govenrments just as the mining industry once did in Montana. Money talks and unlimited anonomous money shouts loud enough to deafen democracy.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
  25. Ben from Boston

    Jack,

    It will not be dispositive but it holds many lessons that can be applied by either or both political parties simultaneously:
    1. Big Labor could not carry the day even with its national might focused on this election – Dems need to count less on Big Labor and more on other factions in its coalition or perhaps to mix other factions with Big Labor on the ground; Reps need to improve their ground game wherever they want to be competitive, but they will need Big money to do it;
    2. Big money can buy a ground game – both parties need to raise big money for November;
    3. If Hillary were President, she would have been leading the charge in WI; where was Mr. Obama and whither Mr. Romney?
    4. Recalls waste a lot of resources; its better to save it all for the main election.
    5. Dems are weakened but have time to recover. Reps are not much strengthened.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
  26. jimmy in greenville NC

    Jack, I think the biggest impact will be the time the Democratic spinmasters will have to spend spinning how the loss is good for Obama. I do not know how they will do that. Of course I don't know what is in a witches' brew either. But this loss will take them away from their regular work, whatever that work is.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
  27. kattyusa

    I don't know what kind of impact it'll have but do seriously believe it is a sign of coming events. The spin being bandied about by democrat-liberals is nothing short lies and self-delusion...people are not as stupid as they think we are and the dem-libs will feel it come Nov.,.,,people do not want the kind of idiotic and destructive harm they have caused to this wonderful country. .

    June 7, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
  28. Pete in Georgia

    Well, if you listen closely you'll here Democrats spinning endlessly how "money bought the election", etc. and how the middle class is being destroyed.
    No, people VOTED in this election.
    People who have been fooled again and again with the deception of liberal politics and how they are ruining America..................from coast to coast.
    The only thing destroyed in this election was the liberal, arrogant, hostile union mentality that has held much of America hostage for generations. Voters have had enough and come November the same response will be felt thruout the land toppling the current socialist impostor now pretending to be an American President.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
  29. Doug Ericson

    It's going to boost the confidence of the Tea Party types, but Walker is much farther to the right than Romney. I think it will put pressure on Ron Paul to run as a Third Party candidate.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
  30. Michael Bindner, Alexandria VA

    Considering that many people who voted for Walker indicate they will vote for Obama, none at all. There is no impact on finance either. It was not Citizens United that gave Walker carte blance to raise unlimited fund, but Wisconsin law that grants that privilege to anyone facing recall. It is up to Wisconsin voters to elect people to fix that, of which I am not one. Obama still gets those electoral votes, those of Ohio and those of Virginia. I'm sure the desparate tone coming out of the Romney camp reflects their own polling which shows they really have no path to victory.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
  31. Susan-NJ

    The recall election could give the voter the idea that it is simply best not to vote and encourage the bums.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
  32. Loren, Chicago

    No impact, but it is a harbinger of the mood of the electorate and, if things don't change, e.g. an Octobre surprise, we can expect that the President's margins for reelection will be getting narrower and his room for making mistakes smaller.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
  33. Brad, Portland, OR

    It says that the Citizens United Supreme Court decision has put Democracy up for sale to the highest bidder.

    Gov. Walker's side took in huge amounts of unregulated cash from wealthy people and corporations, mostly from outside Wisconsin, and outspent their opponents by an 8 to 1 margin.

    They blanketed every TV channel with false and misleading Walker ads that the other side couldn't afford to respond to.

    The Wisconsin election has proven that whoever has the most money can buy the result they want, so come November, say hello to President-elect Romney.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
  34. Tom in Desoto, TX

    It’s amazing that people fail to realize the assault they are under in the work place. Union busting via the voting booth. Apparently people don’t realize that unions are the reason non-union wages have gone up over the decades along with time and a half, vacation, sick days, and health coverage. Now people are working longer hours for less and less money and are afraid to take vacation. Instead of progress people are voting for the people who are going to enact legislation that will hurt them. I expect the over 40 hours work week, currently at time and a half, to disappear by the people who are elected through legislation. People should wake up by November but I expect them to elect repressive candidates.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
  35. Ken in Pinon Hills, California

    I don't think it will have much to do with how other States vote. What I can't understand is working cheese heads, voting against the Democratic candidate. Regardless union or not, the democrats have been buttering their bread.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
  36. David Gerstenfeld

    None. The supreme(?) court's decision to grant unlimited campaign money from super pacs etc. will decide who wins. It's all about the MONEY & who can buy the most media time.
    David, Las vegas

    June 7, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
  37. Tom (Atlanta)

    I believe the results of Wisconsin's recall election hurt the Democratic party's national agenda quite a bit. Perhaps not so much in Wisconsin as elsewhere because the party made such a big issue of it and lost face. To many people "in the middle", those who actually determine who is the next president, the visible loss to the Democrats in Wisconsin creates more doubt in their mind as to the policies of the current administration rather than confidents. I believe that the Democrats should have done as the President did and distance themselves from the Wisconsin recall, and recognized that "that dog won't hunt"; so, let's not bet all the marbles on it.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
  38. Ken in Seattle

    Little if any. The way in which many people voted in Wisconsin had as much to do with fairness and the political process of recalling an elected official who apparently did nothing illegal, as it was about agreement with the governor's policies. If an electorate doesn't approve of a legally elected officials governance they can vote him or her out when the term is up. Recall elections for the sole purpose of undoing the results of a legally held election is a total waste of money and time and energy. The citizens of the State of Wisconsin deserved better behavior from the Democrats, as much as they deserve a better governor than the one they got stuck with.

    June 7, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
  39. Gary in San Jose, California

    The failed Wisconsin recall is clearly a blow to the Unions and the Democrats. You also saw it here in California where we said enough is enough with these overly powerful Unions. Why do we even allow our police, firefighters, and teachers to unionize? Can you imagine how dysfunctional the military would become if we allowed them to unionize?

    June 7, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
  40. JIM/ Florida

    I don't think it will have an impact come November because the people of this country have the attention span of a gnat. That is why nothing ever changes in Washington........Just sayin...

    June 7, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
  41. ken, atlantic city, nj

    The wisconsin recall which was about collective bargaining should have no impact on the election in november because federal workers do not have collective bargaining now. Obama whines about wisconsin workers but he has done nothing to give federal workers collective bargaining, and there is a salary freeze in effect for federal workers. In addition federal workers pay 37% of their health costs unlike wisconsin workers which pay 6%, federal workers pay 11.6% for their pension contribution and wisconsin workers pay 0%. Wisconsin workers are better off with walker than obama.

    June 7, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
  42. Annie, Atlanta

    I don't know about November, but if I were a Republican looking to destroy unions, the middle class and demonize teachers while pretending not to do so to police and firefighters, it would appear I now have carte blanche to push through this extreme agenda in other states. On Wisconsin! where unions were born and now where our democracy died, putting forth a plutocracy where money can buy anythinig, literally.

    June 7, 2012 at 3:02 pm |
  43. Phyllis G. Williams

    What impact could the Wisconsin recall election have in November?

    None at all, if Daniel 4: 17 says "the Most High ruleth in the kingdom of men,
    and giveth it to whomsoever He will, and setteth up over it the basest of men"
    (smile).

    June 7, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
  44. al in Delaware

    Practically none. The Supreme Court has already done it's damage. The same GOP BIllionaires who bought the recall for Walker plan on buying the White House for Romney.

    June 7, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
  45. Sarah/Dumfries,VA

    It will make no difference ,Obama beat the mormon by 7&4 points & he also leads with independence but you guys are not talking about that,shame on Obama haters-Obama/Biden 2012

    June 7, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
  46. BILL, WI

    If the benifits and pension packages in other states are anything like they are here in Wiscosin, then there could be a spillover into other states. State gov. employees did not pay into their pension plan, the taxpayers did to the tune of 100%. State gov. employees paid only about 4% of their healthcare coverage, the taxpayers picked up the rest. And most benifits packages for the emploee was about 75% of thier base salary.

    When Walker took over his budget repair required that government employees pay 6% into their pension plan and about 12% into their healthcare plan.

    Prior to Walker pay raises were negotiated every two years through collective bargaining. Now those raises are tied to the Consumer Price Index.

    June 7, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
  47. Larry from Georgetown, Tx

    It is long overdue that someone shut down the unions and we can only hope there is more change along these lines after November. I think that Wisconsin won't have any impact on the elections in November as it will be about the economy. We're in serious trouble in this country and we need someone to take drastic action but to me neither of the two people running for President will do what's necessary. I have a simple plan but don't have the authority to implement it.

    June 7, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
  48. Brian Samuels (Chicago)

    None Jack! Wisconsin wasn't about electing a Governor, it was about rolling back the rights of Unions to collectively bargain. Wisconsin Democrats should have never tried the recall route. But in the same breath people's rights should never be up for a majority vote.

    June 7, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
  49. Mel - Houston

    Jack, I think may have misspoke it's not an election but an auction.

    June 7, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
  50. Frank Collins

    I amm a 78 year old Republican and I remeber Harry Truman as the best president we ever had and I put Obama right next to Harry!

    June 7, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
  51. Gordo from NJ

    It means all the TV networks are going to get rich running wall-to-wall political attack ads paid for by about 25 conservative billionaires who want to defeat President Obama any way they can. It makes me mad that these 25 voters will count for more than half the population.

    June 7, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
  52. curtis in philadelphia

    Jack, it could either provide the Republican Super-PACS with a blueprint for success or prove that there is power in being the incumbent: see Walker '12 or W. Bush '04.

    June 7, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
  53. Wihelm in Las Vegas

    the Democrates and Obama can "forget-about-it" in November. Citizen's United Super Pac money obviously TALKS and everything else WALKS. IF their propaganda can convince a usually well informed electorate in Wisconsin to re-elect a Republican Governor who just may be indicted soon for violating campaign finance laws, then there is NO HOPE in November for the Democrates

    Wisconsin is now "WisKOCHsin"

    June 7, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
  54. Bill from Baltimore

    The Wisconsin Election will have no effect on the presidentila Election...The President continues to lead in all Polls by more than 7%...The real effect of this election is that Wisconsin has joined the race to the bottom with Mississippi and Arkansas for lowest quality of life, great income disparity and under performing schools...You won't recognize Wisconsin in 5 years.

    June 7, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
  55. Leta

    No impact at all come November election. Wisconsin recall was a waste of time and money. It should be a warning
    to the Democrats though, that huge money from the billionaires with their distorted campaign ads can buy this election.

    June 7, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
  56. bill florida

    remember 2010? even the stupid people know the gravytrain can't go on forever.

    June 7, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
  57. Brando

    The FIX is IN. It's over. Done. Rove wins. No Carville. GO MITT! No, he CAN'T.🙂

    June 7, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
  58. JM from DFW

    If the Republicans continue to out spend the Democrats 7 to 1 it may end up having the same results.
    We can thank the Supreme Court for corrupting America and placing power in the dollar and not people.

    If the founders of our constitution knew about the impact Media would have on our society our constitution would have been different. They did what God lead them to do. The time has come for us to do the same.

    June 7, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
  59. Karl in Flint, MI

    Considering the number of voters that acknowledged what Walker was doing was wrong but not a "recall-able" offense, by November we will be asking ourselves... what about Wisconsin? It will be long forgotten.

    June 7, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
  60. Dave, Orlando, FL

    A very bad one. As of Tuesday’s recall defeat, the master class, the one that owns all or most politicians, have proven themselves to be invincible. Throw enough money at an election, or a recall, and you can convince the voters to vote against their own best interests. Works every time. All you need is an electorate consisting of morons. This is the result of the dumbing down of America. Same thing happened in 2004. Get used to it. Unless Citizens United is reversed or neutralized by an amendment, this is our future. And don’t hold your breath for an amendment.

    June 7, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
  61. Mark in Topeka

    I think it could have an unexpectedly negative effect on the GOP in Novermber. It may cause the GOP candidates to move even further to the right and fire up the moderate to liberal opposition. Who will independents/moderates vote for? If the GOP moves further to the right on important issues, there is more incentive for these swing voters to go Democratic.

    June 7, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
  62. Terry in Virginia

    It has no affect on my vote. I'm an Independent and I still don't like anyone who's running for office, but I'll study their records, listen to the lies they tell, turn off the attack ads, and then decide if I can trust any of them enough to vote for them. That said, maybe I should sleep in on election day (but I won't).

    June 7, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
  63. Jeff In Bishop, Georgia

    Mr. Cafferty, it means that calamity is not inevitable... too bad that left wing dullards refuse to use simple arithmetic to see that the Empty Suit-in-Chief's policies are unsustainable and a recipe for financial ruin. Pray that Obama gets shellacked this autumn.

    June 7, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
  64. Ruth in Indianapolis

    The consevatives have learned that money and more money and lots of questionable ads can influence an election. The money will flow to consevatives this fall and it will probably work. Instead of one person, one vote, we should be saying one dollar, one vote. Wouldn't it be nice if some of that money went to those who need it?

    June 7, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
  65. Conor in Chicago

    It will have very little effect on the election in November. Only people in Wisconsin, labor unions, corporatists, and political junkies are even aware there was a recall election. November is a long way from now so I doubt it will matter much in and of itself. With the plethora of things that could and will happen in the next 4 months I doubt the Wisconsin recall election will really have any bearing on how anyone votes. And, if people are still on the fence in November, I doubt someone that disengaged in the political process will have an opinion on the collective bargaining rights of public sector unions in Wisconsin.

    June 7, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
  66. Ray in Knoxville

    Jack, the biggest impact is confirmation that this election year will be a boom year for media outlets, and I'm talking about advertising revenues. Yep, station managers across the country are rubbing their hands in anticipation. Oh, and we can also expect a nasty, nasty race, lots of outright lies and some creative scare tactics that will make Steven King jealous.

    June 7, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
  67. Paul in NC

    Not much impact in November but if the trend goes the way you seem to favor it will have a huge impact on our lives in the future. Just imagine any major city in this country with no police, no firefighters, and no teachers. Would you want to live there? Rather than seek an equitable solution to the problem of pension and health care costs the Republicans, as always, just decided to eradicate those professions. Brilliant !

    June 7, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
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  69. Gary H. Boyd

    Right up front it was positive for Republicans and negative for the Democrats and unions and that's for sure. But whether it will translate that way into November is a bit "iffy". Neither Obama or Romney got directly involved in Wisconsin on the pretext of it being a "state" issue but the underlying real reason is obvious - neither wanted to risk being on the losing side - whichever way it went.

    Gary in Scottsdale, Arizona

    June 7, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
  70. Robert in GA

    who knows. The news certainly doesnt tell us.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
  71. Mack from Michigan

    Jack you are grossley overestimating the intelligence and attention span of the voting public! Yes the talking heads and partisan spin doctors will wax poetic and ooh and ahh about the Wisconson recall election and what it all means,but thirty days from now the voting public will have moved on and wont even recall there was an election in minnawisconigan or wherever it was. The big guns havent turned loose the heavy money artillary on the voting public yet, that is when opinions will be bought and sold.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
  72. RickFromDetroit

    It could have a big impact since the unions are the biggest "patronage" organizations we currently have in this country and many Americans are "fed-up" with making less money than the government employees that they are supporting.

    Remember when Reagan fired the PATCO air traffic controllers and union membership plunged from 38% to the current 8% of the workforce, and the Government Employees are the largest group of union members left in this country.

    The real solution is to raise the pay for the 46 million at poverty and the 97 million low income we have in this country. Cutting pay for the middle class [government employees] will also reduce tax revenues and consumer spending, and will worsen our economic problems in the future. The poverty & low income equal 143 million Americans. [46,000,000 + 97,000,000 = 143,000,000] If we were to raise the pay for these 143 million by $50.00 a week we would generate [143,000,000 x $50.00 = $7,150,000,000 a week in consumer spending] If the 143 million Americans paid $10.00 a week in additional taxes from the pay raise we would generate [143,000,000 x $10.00= $1,430,000,000 in new taxes] The problem with this type of policy is very simple. It would mean either lower Wall Street Profits and executive pay or higher Inflation!

    We are saving ourselves into a third world country and the end result will be 10% Wealthy, 10% servants for the Wealthy, and 80% poverty.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
  73. Jennifer M in Winnipeg

    I haven't a clue ... but it's about time someone went after the unions.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
  74. Bill in Denver

    Jack,
    The money wins. We voters are only to happy to believe the lies and want to live in the new Corporation States of America where greed is king. The former middle class?? – Let 'em eat cake.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
  75. Larry in Houston

    What impact could the Wisconsin recall election have in November ?
    Answer : Impact ?? LOL – The "impact" means that obama will end up losing re-election, period. Why do you think I'm currently living in Texas ? I was once a "union worker" (in the northeast) as a matter of fact – I was a member of the AFL – CIO Union, for almost 28 years, before the Company Finally decided to Sell Out, shut the plant down, sell the parts to / and move the machinery to china & mexico. I'm glad I ended up getting my pension, now I'm Just waiting on my S.S. in a few short years, while I'm working part time, in a cash Business. Unions are the way of the past – I remember when I had to pay 1% of my gross weekly income to union dues. In other words, If you grossed 500 bucks per week, my union dues were 5 bucks,(one penny out of every dollar) then by the time the State got Their Share, Then the Federal got their Share, then don't forget about F.I.C.A. & S.S. / then by the time you got the option to "buy" your Insurance, (through the plant, of course, but It Still came out of your pay check) So Hospitalization was 35 bucks a week – (per Family) Then you had the "option" to buy Life Insurance – (if you think you could afford it) You really didn't have much left after that. The people who benefit from the so called "union dues" are the people that are the Union Bosses, definitely not the workers. Unions were Once a Good thing, til the Bosses took advantage of it, and have been for years. When Unions were first Started, the people that were Union Workers most Always made More Money than people that worked for other plants / or factories / because it kept the "Other" Manufacturing Owners (that were Not Union) paying their people closer to a union wage, so they wouldn't pay people "sweat shop" wages. It's not like that now days, because The so called : "Job Creators" want to pay people a decent salary for decent working people, and not try to get just the bottom of the barrel people, Bottom Line is : Unions are on their way Out – and Have Been, for a while now.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
  76. Michael, from Smiths, Alabama

    I'm from Alabama, so the only way the recall vote could impact me is if I can recall the mayor of my hometown. Otherwise, I don't really see an impact being made.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
  77. Ron in Florida

    The Wisconsin vote will have a huge effect in other states and cities, but not in DC. Why? States can't print their own money.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
  78. Roger in Myers, FL

    I can't wait until we look at cutting pensions for Congress!

    June 7, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
  79. Jarhyead4life

    As the republicans strip unions of their retirement benefits, it will empower the Democrats to re-elect Obama. Personnally I do not take sides with either side – Democrat nor Republican. The fact is these public unions created cadillac pensions plans that governments would never be able to pay for. So they must be reduced.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
  80. WR Jones

    The Wisconsin recall election placed liberals on notice, President Obama will lose in November in a landslide that will make Jimmy Carter's loss look like a win.
    When the unions turn against you, when your own party undermines your platform, you know it's time to panic.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
  81. Charles

    Jack
    I work in a heavily union Building Services Department at a university in NJ.
    The old timers in the unions still think they can pick and choose what work they will do.
    It's time to take that "power" away and let employers choose who they will employ.
    Can't the unions see they've chased all manufacturing jobs out of the country.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
  82. Ali from Detroit Michigan.

    Well you THINK the recall would have an effect in November,Jack?It just goes to show that free market conservative policies work,unlike Obama's trillion dollar deficits and plans to stay in Afghanistan for the next 50 years.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
  83. Tom - Des Moines

    We'll probably see the Bill Clinton news-byte a lot stating that "this is a big deal." Yes, it is. Everyone who doesn't want our country to go broke and be owned by China...take heart.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
  84. Frank Poynton from Los Angeles

    The amount of money that poured into Wisconsin is just a fraction of what will be spent trying to defeat President Obama. Money can't buy love but it does buy elections and I hate that. The Supreme Court with all its wisdom has collectively stated that they could not foresee this coming when they made a decision favoring this phenomena. What impact will the recall election in Wisconsin have in November you ask. The same that an impacted wisdom tooth has on my jaw.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
  85. Rodney Yeager

    I wish the Teapublicans would not try to pick the "winners" in their dash to austerity. Cut pensions to state office holders too. Also, the military, the congress, the supreme court, the president. In fact , why not just outlaw pensions period as too expensive to our economy. That would be fair. All pensions to CEO's , etc , etc.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
  86. Tom Barrister from Florida

    It's more about the impact it will have on the financial stability of the country, rather than the effect on the November elections. Back in the late 70's and early 80's, the unions were bankrupting companies. Management put its food down. Unions fell into line. Today, entitlement programs are bankrupting governments at all levels. The governor of Wisconsin put his foot down. Voters supported that move. Once that sinks in, it should set a precedent for similar moves elsewhere.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
  87. Alex Landi

    Mt. Shasta, CA
    Jack,
    By itself, the Wisconsin election will not have a great impact on the November election. However, it is yet another indication that Americans are finally "getting it" about our finanial situation and that bodes ill for Obama and the free spending Democrats. But it's more than that; liberalism itself may be in the proess of being rejected.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
  88. Gary Halter

    The meaning of the recall election is that recall elections are a bad idea. Most people in exit polls (60%) thought that the governor had not done anything to merit recall. Anothe 10 % did not think recall was appropriat under for any reason. I am suprised that Walker did not win by more. The message out of this election is recall elections are a bad idea.Nothing else.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
  89. JD

    94.7% of the time, the side that out spends wins...impact...spend and win.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
  90. Randy

    With bill clinton and Larry summers sent out by the powers that be to once again call for an extension of the fat cuts (tax cuts for the rich) it's obviously no difference between the parties anyway. My problem with union republicans and middle class whites voting against themselves is that it feels like they're jumping off of a cliff with thinking people handcuffed helplessly to them.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
  91. Dale N.M.

    I hope it puts an end to the scheming unions and their scheming pension pyramids, you know how it is for the people at the top it's a win-win, but the people at the bottom of the pyramid it's a lose lose.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
  92. justin

    Jack, speaking of the impact of Wisconsin, how about the effects of a 10 to 1 spending advantage of a sitting governor, thanks to the new unlimited opportunity to buy elections. If advertising weren't effective, Pepsi, Coke, GM, Ford, etc., would save billioins of dollars. That advertising advantage allowed Walker to spin and drown out the facts: you don't have to destroy hard-won bargaining rights to achieve good bargaining results. You can lie about cutting the deficit when you've only reordered the books. Finally, Jack, you don't mention exit polls which show that most of the voters just didn't believe in recall votes, irrespective of their thoughts about Walker, and a majority of the voters would vote for Obama.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
  93. Randall Cox in Lexington, SC

    0, No impact......Obama automatically gets 95% of the black vote, 75% of the hispanic and other minority groups that live off the Feds and hope for it to continue. The young educated white tree huggers will vote Obama. So, who is left other than some disgruntled union workers. EVEN, all the Union Bosses, Clinton, Jessie Jackson, and the Democratic strategists that clamored about the recall being a huge event are now back tracking and watering down the recall loss as insignificant. How about the Wisconsin households that had 1 union member voter and 1 non-union member voter, voting 48% for Walker,... Amen....Cased Closed......RC

    June 7, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
  94. jay pee

    it means half the country that gets free stuff will vote for for Obama again...the ones that pay taxes will vote for Romney
    Jay Pee nanuet ny

    June 7, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
  95. JJ

    Here's an idea stop balancing the budget on the backs of the poor have the millionaires and billionaires pay their fair share instead of asking a pre-k teacher who makes 35k to give up a crappy pension. I say all public servants strike! See how far we can get without teachers, cops and firefighters.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
  96. phil o from Florida

    Well I guess by the way you prefaced that topic we know what side of the issue your on jack. So much for contracts and people who have worked they entire lives under a collective bargaining agreement, just to save a few buck. lets not look to the ultra rich, lets look to the teachers,cops, and fireman, you know the ones that teach our kids, and keep us safe,those people should bare the burden. you continue to disapoint jack, i'll bet your father belonged to a union when he put food on the table and paid the bills! shame on you!!!

    June 7, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
  97. kon

    Jack – are you flipping kidding me? Parents are retired teachers with masters degrees. The most Dad ever made was 60k in his final years 10-15 years ago. They are currently holdling their own with pension and social security - enough to continue a modest home, pay out of pocket for the medical care their crap retiree medical care does not pay for and buy groceries. They aren't rich, not by a long shot. And yet whinning babies like Walker, knocking down >150k a year and way, way more bit$h blue about paying a dime in taxes. Walker does not want to limit barganing rights. He wants to ELIMINATE collective barganing rights. Their son, me, with more advanced degrees and not in teaching lives in a smaller home, has more debt and is doing worse than his parents did at the same age. Like it or not, unions bolster the pay, benefits, work place safety, family leave policies, work hours and a whole host of other factors that contribute to non union middle class standard of living. You should be asking, what is life like for the rest of you falling out of the middle class? KB in MI

    June 7, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
  98. Thomas in Philly

    It's true that all those state union jobs are better than average jobs. Perhaps we do have to cut them back, but remember that by doing so we are just cutting back both the middle class and the American Dream.

    Welcome to the third world.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
  99. Margaret Fleming

    What NONE of you seem to understand is that when you work in a government job.....such as teaching in my case....you have ALWAYS been paid LESS than what you might have earned in the private sector. When I retired after 38 years, I did so expecting that the pension I EARNED would help me live out my life in a nice middle class way. By the way, in three more years, the ONLY health insurance I will get will be from Medicare. The state will kick in a WHOPPING $125 a month. Maybe in other states you might get the plush life style after you retire from a government job, but in Virginia you sure as hell don't!!!!

    June 7, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
  100. Gabe from LA California

    I'm a democrat and I would have voted against the recall not because I agree with Walker, but because I don't agree with recalling someone over policy changes rather than corruption. I certainly don't think it will largely hurt Obama because many supporters of Obama voted against the recall, and I am from a deep blue state in Presidential elections that has often elected republican governors

    June 7, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
  101. Nelson

    Unfortunately the people are told that Unions re the problem in Wisconsin......but if the State can't afford to pay these wages, or pensions...then why are these politicians able to leave after 4 years of service with full pensions and benefits? Why aren't they held accountable to attain another JOB which will provide income and additional benefits just like the rest of us PEASANTS do? We as a country can NOT afford to continue paying these politicians the wages they are paid and allowing them to cut everything...but their OWN benefits! These are the MOST hypocritical acts made by politicians now and the people are still gullible enough to take them at their word when they say UNIONS are the problem. Let's start cutting where the cutting needs to be done.......the HEADS of these politicians!!!!!

    June 7, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
  102. Tom Fricano

    Working folks have always been their own worst enemy! Wisconsin is just one more example! The Supreme Court helped to lead the way with their Citizens United decisio!

    June 7, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
  103. heather

    It proves elections can be bought and that people will believe anything.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
  104. Tom from Medford, NJ

    None. Exit polling showed Obama defeating Romney by a fairly healthy margin in Wisconsin. Exit polling also showed that a politician must have commit a more egregious or heinous act than union busting in order to be recalled. Barrett is no Obama. He ran a terrible campaign. However, having said that, the people of Wisconsin did not get it right when they failed to vote Walker out.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
  105. Matt

    Jack,

    You ask this question again and again – "will current hot issue affect the election in November." You know very well that the average American voter has the attention span of an immature fruit fly. This issue will be dislodged by some other hot-button topic by Election Day.

    Matt
    St. Augustine, Fl

    June 7, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
  106. Bob

    Walker's actions in Wisconsin were never about solving a budget crisis. It was always about corporate money attacking public employee unions the way corporations have already destroyed unions and employee benefits in the public sector. And thanks to massive donations, they won. We will see more of the same in November, and if ordinary workers don't wake up, the United States will soon be a third-world economy with almost no middle class.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
  107. JB from Nashville

    The impact is the fact that Americans realize that the Liberal Progressive policies don't work, and they will not continue
    to vote for liberals who have destroyed the economy of States and this country. In a short time the Governor has had
    enormous success in reducing the Wisconsin debt. Pure and simple...bankrupt country as a result of liberal policy or
    financially responsible debt reduction?

    June 7, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
  108. Claudia, Houston, Tx

    The impact will be less voter turnout because the rich have already voted for me.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
  109. Sandra from Texas

    It means money buys votes. But unless someone turns it into a reality show, no one will even remember this happened by the time November rolls around.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
  110. GK

    Don't overead the result. 60% of voters told exit polls they approved of recalls only for corruption or improper behavior. Many who voted for Walker were more anti-recall, than pro-Walker and his actions. The same voters prefered Obama to Romney by a similar margin. Less noticed was that the two rounds of voting did recall three Republican Wisconsin Senators and replace them with Dems. Dems now control the State Senate and Walker's union initiatives couldn't get through the legislature today. Also, remember the outrage and recent voter rejection of similar initiatives in Ohio. Not sure the Wisconsin vote portends anything significant.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
  111. Tom in Ketchikan

    You are not even asking a coherent question when one of your premises is that agreements with unions are all the union's fault. It takes two to make and agreement and destroying labors collective bargaining position does not cure the deficit any more that starting two wars without6 even including them in the budget doesn't cause a budget to get out of whack. The governor is not interested in bringing the pension fund into balance, he just wants to shrink govenment. By the way, did the democrats regain control of the Wisconsin senate?

    June 7, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
  112. Chuck Clausen

    During my adult life time, I have seen Unions become weaker and much less inferential – in my youth unions were respected, but someplace they were taken over by thugs who represented themselves and no longer represented the best interest of their members

    June 7, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
  113. Joan

    No effect.......How about cutting the pension for senators and House members. I know Senator McCain doesn't need it with his seven houses, but they will pick on the little man to crush the middleclass.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
  114. john - hamilton, ontario

    This will have no impact on the Federal election unless voters buy into the nonsense that you and Republicans are promoting – that unions are responsible for state fiscal problems. Wisconsin's fiscal bureau, the state equivalent of the Congressional Budget Office, says Wisconsin isn’t even in need of austerity measures, and could conclude the fiscal year with a surplus. According to them, the current budget shortfall is a direct result of tax cut policies Walker enacted in his first days in office.

    Walker outspent the Democrates by 30 to 1 to hang onto his governorship. He was funded by out-of-state money, aka the Koch brothers, ultra right-wing billionaires who hate workers' rights, the poor and anyone to the left of Barry Goldwater. You, Cafferty, should be ashamed to misrepresent a governor's attempt to destroy collective bargaining rights as a crisis over the cost of unions.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
  115. Meg

    This is my concern. The thing that is missing form these facts about the 3 trillion dollar in deficits, is that a large chunk of these deficits (or most of them) are not as much a result of increased expenses, but are largely from the huge loss of investments and revenues from the huge economic crisis and collapse itself. States who had been paying all their bills with ease, suddenly had deficits of billions and pensions were decimated. So unions are now the preferred scapegoats for why state budgets don't balance, when just a few years ago they did. It simply does not add up. The main problem is the loss of revenues and investments from the economy, although many public employees were encouraged to take early retirement as a way for states to cuts and save on salaries and this may also have caused some expense increase. The truth is, that these states could point to many of their current payment obligations that they no longer have the funds to pay due to a loss of revenue and claim that they are the source of the problem – but these other obligations are easier to cut (even though this worsens the recession). Unions were the preferred target for those who preferred to cut in difficult economic times rather than rase revenue until things improved. It is likely that some of these pensions may have eventually and more gradually become ticking time bombs, state politicians had used these pensions as a way to kick compensation increases down the road, so they could pretend running a state does not really cost as much as it does and so they could give voters tax breaks – but what is new – federal government has been giving away tax breaks we can"t afford for decades causing huge deficits – the truth is, that these state deficits are not necessarily the fault of the unions at all, it is largely the economy – and the party whose regulation cutting ideology largely caused and created the economic collapse is now enjoying using the crisis they are responsible for as an opportunity to attack and remove the power of unions. Who will benefit in the end? Likely the wealthy who will now once again simply avoid a tax increase to pay for these contractual obligations made to our teachers once again tax breaks will come at the expense of the working class.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
  116. Joan

    The Wisconsin recall election teaches many lessons. First and rightly so, the people of Wisconsin obviously were not impressed with another costly election on this issue. Secondly the Democrats should not have run the same candidate against the governor who had previously beaten him. This was just a rerun of that election. Third, by having the Democrats take back the Senate, there will now be checks and balances again in the government. Hopefully it won't be gridlock like in Washington, they can compromise and make some good decisions to help everyone. The outcome of this state election does not appear to be influencing the upcoming presidential election since all polls still have President Obama clearly ahead. One of the biggest and scariest lessons from the Wisconsin recall election is the unprecedented amount of money poured into the state by outside interests to run vicious and sometimes untrue ads to buy the election. When the money is 7:1 it makes you wonder if it was a bought election. Democracy in the US is becoming a joke. Super Pacs, special interests, binding pledges and lack of integrity are ruining the basic principle of "may the best man win". The founding fathers must be rolling in their graves.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
  117. Mr. D

    It's apparent that "milking wasn't just going on at the dairy farms. This is just a first step in a long, long process to readjust state and federal financial outlays to match the realitys of the new century. I hope this isn't "Greek" to our esteemed political hacks.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
  118. Ralph Nelson

    Romney is going to win the election by purchasing it with a endless stream of commercials that lie, lie, lie. The President well lose the campaign by running commercials that tell us to hang in there and which offer no hope or outline what he plans to do (if anything). Five months after Romney's economic package of deep cuts is passed the economy well go into recession resulting in possible Depression (see Europe now, Reagon 1981, FDR 1938).

    June 7, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
  119. John from Alabama

    Jack: Wisconsin will go for President Obama, because the people of Wisconsin knows he cares for them. They like Mr. Obama so much that they might even fire Rep. Paul Ryan. I know some 50+ citizens who do not like is last edition of the budget. I know some military veterans do not like being left out of his budget by the tune of $11 billion dollars. Mitt Romney is a Phoney, and everyone in Wisconsin knows it.

    June 7, 2012 at 4:51 pm |