FROM CNN's Jack Cafferty:
Billionaire investor George Soros warns a class war, including riots in the streets, is coming to the United States.
Soros tells Newsweek the Occupy Wall Street movement will grow and turn violent. He says the response to the unrest could become an "excuse for cracking down and using strong-arm tactics to maintain law and order."
If things go far enough, Soros suggests it could bring about a repressive political system.
This may be a stark view of where the United States is headed, but the idea of class conflict is growing these days.
When President Obama pushed for higher taxes on the wealthy as part of his plan to cut the deficit last fall, he insisted the tax hikes were not "class warfare." But not everyone agrees.
And you can bet that same income inequality will be a theme in President Obama's State of the Union address Tuesday night. The president is set to talk about a government that should ensure "a fair shake for all."
Obama has said the system is rigged against the nation's middle class and that he wants to work toward an America where "everyone engages in fair play, everyone gets a fair shot, everyone does their fair share."
And there's no doubt Americans are feeling this clash between the rich and the poor:
A recent poll shows a large majority of Americans see class warfare, with two-thirds saying they think there are "very strong" or "strong" class conflicts.
But this is the scary part. The clash between rich and poor now ranks as the country's greatest social conflict, topping conflicts between immigrants and native-born Americans or conflicts between blacks and whites.
Here’s my question to you: How concerned are you about class warfare in this country?
Interested to know which ones made it on air?
Worried? You bet. A divisiveness that feels like the '60s civil and racial underpinnings is a silent undertone, not spoken aloud in polite circles, but very much out there. I for one have been waiting and fearful for the clash that will take to the streets, something on the order of the Occupy movement-but a whole lot worse.
No civilization in recorded history has ever survived the type of centralization of power and wealth we now have in this country. If we don't start paying attention to this, I'm afraid pitchforks could be replaced by weapons far more deadly. Soros is right.
What is old becomes exaggerated again. Class warfare appears to be a beefed up term for recognizing the inequities that exist in our country. I don’t believe most Americans begrudge those who are wealthy or those who work within legal parameters to keep their wealth. Thus, we don’t have class warfare concerns; we have concerns related to who advocates for the average American.
D. in Texas:
Jack, It's been obvious for a long time. Why do you think there's so many weapons and ammunition sold lately?
There is a fine line between hard-working middle class citizens and people who freeload off state and federal social service programs.
Jack, My hope is that the class warfare card will sink like Titanic. I think this is truly liberal rhetoric that is destructive to the values of all Americans. We all should have an equal opportunity to be successful. Why take the incentive to create wealth out of the equation? No one should be targeting success or the opportunity to be successful in America.
It's about time.... Bring it on.
No civilization has ever survived with as great a disparity in wealth as exists now in the US.
Well Jack,if we keep beating the drum,if we keep using this issue as a wedge for gain.Then I am worried.I was thinking
maybe some leadership in helping people to grow and creative ideas to help the country grow.We have wasted 2 trillion dollars on social ideas and jobs.Have not learned by now YOU CAN'T SPEND YOU WAY TO CREATIVITY while talking about class warfare.Yes I am worried.
Not much, we out-number them 99 to 1.....
I am very concerned. Not so much for myself because at pushing 80 things aren't going to change that fast to affect me. But i have children, grand children, and a great grandson. It could get very bad for them if the wealth gap gets worth and we become like the ancient Romans and Greeks were, a patrician-plebian society or a citizen-metic society.
The Declaration of Independence might say all men are created equal, but the Republicans seem bound an determined that they don;t grow up that way.
None. America will vote Republicans out, and democrats or independents in. If things don't change, we will try something else. Rich are rich because we voted people in that gave them everything they wanted. Now we must vote in people that levels the playing field.
I am very concerned that both the left and the right are sending us into socialism if not already. Don’t be tricked by the war between the left and the right; neither is concerned about the real middle class (private sector), and don’t be deceived by the media using government and government subsidized unions to represent the middle class!
The elite right lives off of corporate welfare while the left lives off of milking social welfare and race baiting. The 99% need to demand special assessment taxes on the elite race baiters and social welfare, pseudo social justice warriors until they actually solve the problem that they seem to continually milk! The Tea Party needs to demand that Corporations never get bailouts and eliminate government subsidies!
I learned many years ago that a solution should at least be proposed for each problem one encounters in life. Here are suggested solutions to the left and right dictatorship destroying our Constitution! Cut off all subsidies to anything left or right that is not producing positive results! In other words put any group or agency receiving a penny of tax dollars on performance based compensation! Also put all local, state, and federal budgets on the internet in real time/read only format!
Class warfare is a manufactured issue made popular by Republican candidates in their continual effort to divide the country. There is a real issue that most of the wealth is held by a handful of people, primarily because many of them got rich off the outsourcing of American jobs which boosted investment income. Outsourcing has destroyed the middle class and made us a society of 1% "haves" and 99% "have nots."
Jack: Yes, I believe there is a chance for class warfare. I can see the very rich trying to buy elections, and large corporations puting their imprint on an election. There are many in this nation that can use critical thinking to make a decision in voting. They are in the minority. To many people allow attack ads, and sensationalism guide their voting process. Selecting people to lead this nation is not reality television, but rather a serious matter for the future of this nation. If Congress, the Supreme Court, or the President angry the middle class enough it will make the civil war look like childs play.
The War Been Started.......only the Rich got the Memo during the Reagan years. The other Classes only decided to show up after being almost beaten to death. And as Occupy Wallstreet drags itself to the War, immediately those doing the beating start calling them all types of names and say just accept the what we have been giving you, an "ass wupping" and go home. Republicans are so dis-engenious about everything; as long as their rich buddies are surpassing everyone with money they don't say anything; but as soon as the underlings say a peep, they move military to squash any dissidence.
Targeting millionaires and billionaires is less important than restructuring or replacing the entire tax code. Millions of citizens pay nothing- I think we all should pay a portion of what we earn to provide the services we expect. Example: Why hasn't anyone questioned the vast number of citizens who spend years and hire agents in order to be declared "disabled"? That is a racket that costs the rest of us billions.
As someone who is already on the losing end (99%), I am very concerned. Class warfare has been around for years. All you have to do is look and see 1% of the people taking all of the money. Who hasn't had a decent raise in years while these guys are making record bonuses, salaries, and profits? Who hasn't had a job in years because the CEO's hate our president? Class warfare is alive and well and everyone is losing. Vote Republican and vote against yourself.
Class warfare isn't new in America. It comes up every time there is an economic lull. It takes money to create jobs. It also takes responsible corporate leaders to commit to creating jobs. We're lacking in the latter. Enormous compensation packages by big execs is hampering our ability to create new jobs. Board rooms seem to have a contest between them on how much they can get for the CEOs at the next compensation discussion. This is probably due to the board members being CEOs of other companies. I don't think any American can rightfully scoff at free enterprise rewarding those who have earned it. Board rooms should put more money back into their companies and less into the "execs" that are running it. Perhaps trading off in perks (housing, etc.) of retained value instead of money to the execs is a better investment.
What concerns me is its unilateral nature. Until the unions actually seek ownership and control of the workplace, like they talked about in the 1930s, the capitalists will not take them seriously and nothing will happen on taxes or the right to organize. The reason the middle class grew so much in the 50s and 60s is that capitalists were afraid of a worker takevoer.
Very much when you must be very very rich to run for President. One of them says he didn't make much money when it was way over 300k just to speak and most of the about much of nothing. The one that would most likely be the best against Obama doesn't have a chance and Ron Paul starts to sound not so far out there as he used too. We are getting closer and closer to being like Mexico with nowhere to run to for us.
The early 20th century saw many countries (including the US) fear their lower classes, over-react, and have needless turmoil–even revolts.
There is no need for that to be repeated.
there was no reason to repeat a Vietnam.
I guess the early 20th century will be repeated.
Jack, we've allowed the income inequality to get way out of hand over the past 30 plus years. I don't consider it class warfare to point out the inequality needs to be corrected. It's a badly needed correction, or the US will continue to evolve into a 3rd world country much like Mexico where the wealth and power resides with a very small portion of the population.
Jack I'm very concerned about class warfare. The Republican Govenor's fired the first shot by trying to bust the Unions.
And the Unions are the last hope for some one with out a degree making a living wage.
Then they started gutting Public Education so are kid's wont stand a chance to find a good paying job. So yes Jack we
are at war a war to give our kid's a chance for a good life.
How concerned are you about class warfare in this country?
Be more concerned about what our Creator says:
"Dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return" (Genesis 3: 19).
"Ye are all ONE in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3: 28)
"Love thy Neighbour as Thyself" (Matthew 19: 19).
Concerned enough to call it what it really is.........subversive.
I'm concerned about the LACK of class warfare in this country. The poor need to stop being afraid to take the fight to the rich. Has anyone noticed the precipitous deline of wages has occured along side of the destruction of union labor in America for 30 years? Has anyone noticed that the less taxes the wealthy pay the more money finds its way into politics, essentially crowding us out of the electoral process? Has anyone noticed how, for 30 years, the rich seem to have found a way to pay themselves more money for doing no work while you work harder for less? THAT'S CALLED CLASS WARFARE.
Class warfare is a constant dymanic of the human condition. Have's always tussle with have-nots. But in 21st Century America there are far too many have-nots that don't understand that we are already at war and we are losing. Time to step it up.
Very concerned. Across the nation states are "begrudging" children of school lunch, "begrudging" sick people medical care, and "begrudging" social security to retired folks, and begrudging, begrudging, begrudging. When it comes to the rich we hear from our president to our media pundits that we "don't begrudge" success without asking what were they successful at? Wall street was successful. Bernie madoff was successful. Michael milkin was successful. The savings and loans were successful. Maybe if we would stop giving the rich the benefit of the doubt and realize that these are basically bad people who have no moral compass or regard for their country and move on.
I'm not really too worried. Even if it is the 99% against the 1% (or the .1%), the issues out there are more about a minority of that percentage, although if the rest of that 1-.1% don't figure it out, all bets could be off.
Very much so....the President is not a leader, he is a divider...and only when it suits his personal needs. He wants to be re-elected – with all the perks associated with it – and will cater to those who have the largest base. HE does not do what is good for the country only what is good for himself. Narcissist comes to mind.
I thought we were getting a President of ALL the people, but Mr. Obama has made it clear that he does not believe in a government OF the people, BY the people, and FOR the people.
It is not class warfare. It is unfair income distribution. The middle income people have been pushed down by the super rich. And they think that is just fine. That's why they donate millions of dollars to the Republicans so they will not raise their taxes. Warren Buffett tells the truth.
I am very concerned because we are becoming a nation of rich and poor with no middle class. There used to be a time when you had a good chance of entering a higher class of living. But today there seems to be a line drawn that makes it impossible to step over. Today it is very hard for the average citizen to move up but a lot easier for him or her to move down. Unless you're wealthy and can send your children to private schools, getting a decent education is next to impossible. Going to college is not even a dream anymore for many people. The average citizen pays more taxes then a millionaire running for president. People are mad and upset because once you take dreams away you take hope away.
Jack, it's already underway and it's not pretty. My concern is that it can turn to violence. Not in just organized demonstrations going bad but in random gang violence. It won't be the crips and bloods or other gangs fighting it out but just masses of people tired of being ripped offby the wealthy and their government representatives. I don't think the 1%, in their "gated communities" realize the physical damage that the other 95% can wrought on them in large groups. If they think war in the middle east is disturbing to watch on TV, wait until it's in their front yard.
In 1944, for his state of the union address, president Franklin D. Roosevelt said, "We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. Necessitous men are not free men. People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made".
Jack, we are in a class cold war at present, with a dictatorship of wealth controlling our nation. It is denying a rapidly growing number of citizens, "true individual freedom", as FDR put it.
It will take an all out war to attempt to level out the playing field. It is obvious that nothing will happen before the next election, and then unless one party wins every;thing, nothing will happen after the election.
I'm very concerned about the class warfare that has seen the gutting of the middle class by the plutocrats. Hearing republicans decrying class warfare while they disembowel the middle class would be ironic if it didn't strike so close to home...I used to be middle class and now I'm not. It was the plutocrats that gave us credit default swaps, sub-prime mortgages, and allowing investment banks to merge with traditional banks. It was the plutocrats who gave us two wars without paying for them and topping off the tank with tax breaks for the wealthiest 1%. Calling a pig a pig isn't class warfare but allowing the plutocratic class to run the country is.
Not very. I did my tour of duty during the Vietnam war. I am sick of wars and those that cause them. Will humanity ever grow up??? As long as we are ruled by greed and our lizard brains, some more than others, we will always be on The Animal Farm. Thanks Mr. Orwell.
Oh the class warfare that the GOP created? This phrase was coined by them and NOT Democrats.
Since the GOP has spent the last 30 years trying to destroy the Middle Class I would say that this is very troubling though not more important than the need for JOB creation or Infrastructure repair.
I think that this is another ploy of the GOP to have Americans take the eye off the real issue – the GOP inability to do anything for the middle and lower class Americans and their strong desire to protect the rich.
John Boehner hasn't given the president a single JOBS bill to sign, John Boehner hasn't given the president a single Illegal Immigration bill to sign, John Boehner hasn't given the president a single infrastructure repair bill to sign, matter of fact John Boehner and the GOP Congress hasn't done much for America but continue to whine about how bad things are..
Nancy Pelosi got over 400 bills through Congress where as John Boehner hasn't even hit 100. Why is that since they are doing soooo much for America??
I for one am not falling for this current pile of hot steaming mess from the GOP. Their days are numbered.
Class warfare is a contrived term. Does it mean that we believe we are seeing it as policy options in the Presidential race? Does it mean the "haves verus the have-nots"? I think it depends on who you talk-to. I believe in capitalism and to me that means the health of the country hinges-on private sector growth. Public sector growth so-as to cause mass redistribution of wealth is not sustainable, so to me the term is a distraction. The more jobs we create, the more taxes we bring-in, and the more we eliminate poverty. The way-ahead doing that is the key , not whether it involves "class warfare"
I'm not real worried, wouldn't do any good to worry anyway.
Jack;never mind;but the united negro college fund said;a mind is a terrible thing to waste;so who can you blame;those who go out an get the job done or those who wait on someone else to do the job;i started out shoveling dog crap;but i took pride in my job an was a good dog crap shoveler;but now i hire people to shovel it for me.there is no excuses jack;people just need to get off their lazy rumps an get the job done regardless of what the job is..
My hope is that the class warfare card will sink like Titanic. I think this is truly liberal rhetoric that is destructive to the values of the all Americans. We all should have an equal opportunity to be successful. Why take the incentive to create wealth out of the equation? No one should not be targeting success or the opportunity to be successful in America.
Not at all.
Every economic class, the poor, the middle, and the wealthy understand and acknowledge that in today's America there is an extreme imbalance in both wealth and opportunity. All are in agreement.
Now if only the Republicans can grasp that or get the hell out of the way, each class will be able to at least have the chance to rise up and re-Americanize America.
Are you serious? The 1% has been crapp'n on us since Regan. And these red states keep on drinking the Kool-aid, "Holly Toledo....I can't believe it"!! Deregulation has totally dismantled this country. Where a Middle-Class family doesn't stand a chance of getting ahead. Look at what deregulation has done to us, sent our jobs overseas, collapsed the banking industry, lost all of our equity in our homes, lost our retirement savings, making gasoline very expensive, making food very expensive.........hell, Jack. The cost of living has exceeded middle-class wages! Very, very sad. Mr. Boehner...... Where are the JOBS!!!!
as a retired person, I'm concerned that the Republicans want to steal my Social Security and Medicare, which I paid into my whole working life, to pay for even greater tax cuts for the 1%. that's the Paul Ryan plan and it scares the HELL out of me.
you want another "Great Depression", just take away seniors Social Security, which they SPEND on goods and services every month, and see what happens.
Extremely concerned, especially since it's a war the American middle class has been losing since Reagan took office. What the right wing corporatists and wealthy buisness owners don't seem to realize, is that there will be nobody left to buy their crappy products. Class warfare is very real and is coming to a head, probably this year. If a Republican gets elected to the White House, open revolution on the streets of America will happen. Civil war between the rich and poor is a common theme in history, and we are not imune in any way. Get ready, you can cut the tension out there with a knife.
How concerned are you about class warfare in this country ?
Answer : There would have never been this thing about "class warfare" if the gov't did not Bail out the Banks, goldman sachs / fannie / freddie / AIG / GM / & the rest of them. NOBODY should have been Bailed Out, I don't care what you call it, "Tarp" or whatever – it's still a Bailout. It's like : they reward the big business, but the small business, or the working people has to get the ""Your On Your Own" scenario, Jack. It's like you can starve, but if the local 7-11 or krogers wants money, because they are hurting a little, because they might have had a bad year, we will "give them" money till they get on Their Feet. Excuse me ? where is that money coming from ?? HELLO ?? How about the people who could not afford their mortgages ? Oh, that's right, we'll take money from THEM, (taxpayers) so we can Help the Huge Corporations. Yeah, that's right, that's the way to go. No wonder – – – why are we / or why should we /
be concerned with Class Warfare ? (you have to go where the actual 'cause' came from)
Jack, the only people who are concerned with class warfare in this country are the super-rich. Those of us in the middle class who want things more fair and even don't want to strip everything of the rich, we just want to have our work rewarded as much as their work and/or wealth. Unfortunately, when you are rich you always need "just a little more" and any attempt to ask you to take less is a declaration of war.
Honestly.I'm not that concerned Jack. The rich may have the money but the rest of us have the guns and ammo.We Win!
I am not concerned about class warfare. The wealthy will remain in that state and the poor will continue to get more and more destitute
It is the end game of class warfare that concerns me. When most of the wealth is in the hands of the few it no longer circulates. This will cause the colapse of the economy because the masses can't afford to buy and the wealthy no longer have any needs or wants.
Its more about corruption than it is about haves and have nots. Most people don't need or want the big house, fancy cars, etc. to validate their lives. They just don't want to get trampled on by the folks that do need those things. Doug. Pepperell, MA.
But as Warren Buffet has said, the class warfare is rich against poor, and the rich are winning.
The median salary for most Americans, the 99%, has been stagnant for 30 years, despite huge productivity gains.
Meanwhile, the compensation for the top 1% has gone up by hundreds of percentage points. By every measure, the wealthy are taking a greater and greater percentage of America's wealth, and nothing is trickling down to the average person but debt.
Very concerned,without the middle class our country is history.It is to bad our government is so stupid as to not realize it.Get rid of the TSA,illegals,stop the drugs from comming into our country,cut government in half and cut what is left in half again,then put the rest to work.Oh yes,leave Sheriff Joe in Az. alone so he can do his job.Jim Thomas Phx.Az.
Class warfare: the answer to a politician's quest for maintaining power and wealth for himself and his cronies. After all, it's just another version of divide and conquer, and sure to keep the masses tone deaf while politicians continue to keep control. At least, until the inevitable bubble of the world fiat money system comes unglued.
Ron Paul in 2012...
Very - and this is an unproductive activity. We have some income disparities to resolve. BUt, as long as we characterize these as people "not paying their fair share," and "a bunch of millionaires and billionaires," and "the Warren Buffet Rule," we will polarize people, squash dialogue, and not solve anything. That approach may get you re-elected president, but I'm not sure you would want to goven over a society so placed at odds with itself by your own words.
To be honest, it is fairly obvious that class warfare is a factor in all societies and one of the key factors that ruin all nations in the end. However, even without deliberate political intervention, inequalities in a system naturally create class warfare and – as dangerous as it can be – it is not a pressure that can be eased by declaring it to be somehow wrong. I'm concerned... but I'm more concerned that our information society is accelerating the rate at which the pressures of inequality break down our country's stability, making it difficult to shore up.
Mr. Cafferty your question is like the weatherman asking if you are concerned about the rain after your home has already been flooded. Class warfare began a long time ago. Unfortunately for most of us the top 1% has done all of the fighting (and winning) while we struggle to stay afloat. My concerns lay with the response to this assault. Will we find a consenus for an orderly way out of this mess or will the country ultimately splinter and fall apart.
I don't envy the rich and I don't pitty the poor. If you are poor in this country, you're still doing better than most people in other parts of the world. And if you're poor, why? And why don't you do something about it instead of waiting for handouts from the rest of us, i.e. our tax money. But the People's Socialist Plantation Democratic Party would rather have you dependent on the Federal government because it keeps them in power and employed. I'm so sick and tired of hearing about the poor people in this country, they're pathetic. Life is what you make it. I'm not rich and I'm not poor. I'm striving to make a better life for my wife and I. I'm not waiting with my hand out for government assistance.
Mark in BC Nv
Class warfare? In 1137, the serfs rose up and slayed the 3rd Earl of Sussex and roasted his body on a spit. After having their way with his wife, they forced her to eat her husband's barbecued flesh. That's class warfare. Raising the top marginal income tax bracket from 35% to 39.6% is not.
History tells us from the French revolution, the Russian revolution and virtually every major upheaval in the world that vast economic disparity eventually leads to a breaking point for those who have no hope. The 'let them eat cake' attitude your politicians and multi zillionaire CEO's have towards the average American is leading you towards a precipice. Perhaps it will be a generational revolt when young people realize their future has been mortgaged forever and their job prospects are ever diminishing regardless of their education. Your flash point for the first American Revolution was taxation without representation. America of all countries should know what can happen when the majority of the population is treated unfairly by the few at the top. You ignore your own history at your own peril.
Don (a concerned Canadian)
The 1% should be very concerned. For some reason it is seen as a socialist idea that people working for a company should be paid as little as possible while the owner(s) pocket millions. I have nothing against getting a return on investment but there are moral and ethical levels for wages and profit.
Peter Langley B.C.
It's very concerning. The rich have been getting all the subsidies, tax breaks, and even write the laws to benefit themselves, and only themselves (ALEC anyone?). Heck, they're income has increased over 200 percent while us poor working slobs are on a downward slope, struggling to stay on our feet, for decades now. And they just don't like it when we fight back. That's the only timei we hear about class warfar. When we start pointing out how lopsided the system is. Might mess with that gravy train they've been riding for decades.
What class warfare? There is no warfare. There's the rich and then there's the other 99%.
If you want to see real "class warfare" just wait until Obama is defeated in November and all the race-baiters like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson start screaming RACISM was the reason he was defeated. Then, we will have some REAL class warfare. There is a reason that gun and ammo sales are through the roof....people are scared, Jack.
Class warfare waged by the one percenters began decades ago, with entitlements belonging to the elderly, middle-class, and poor being on the chopping block, particularly by republicans. Politicians fail to acknowledge the entitlements given to corporations and billionaires like tax breaks, subsidies/rebates, etc .Andt the entitlements given to politicians, such as superior health care probrams, generous retirement benefits, and hiring of family and friends aren't on the chopping block either. My concern is that IF the 99 percenters don's shead their partisan preferences, the rats will win! Eve of Texas
This Black Lady from Washington DC says- of course there is terrible class warfare in this country – check with the rich Repubs- this is what they want. They, the rich, do not understand that Whites are just as poor as African Americans, Hispanics, Asian, it does not matter when those children's bellies are empty. repubs do not care! Limbaugh, Crazy acting former half term Gov. Palin, unfaithful mean, nasty Gingrich, Rich boy Romney, and those that would vote for them do not care about the needy. I believe in Karma, what goes around, comes around, that they may escape, but their offspring will suffer for how our poor children are being treated- they amy have deformed offspring, kids going to jail, grandchildren who break the law etc.
The 99% vs 1% is not a concern, it's a part of our culture, always has been-always will be.
The fact that the 1% has taken control of our government (greed) has infiltrated our political system
and is using this country and the common people to their total advantage infuriates me!
Their arrogance, YES! including Willard, has passed the point of not being contended with, the 99% must revolt against
the rich in all facets of their operations from super PACS, lobbing, and secret packs which are dishonest but gaining them their desired results against the will of the (for, of, and by the people!) Obama seems to realize this but he's only got a few more months to stop it ( not that he hasn't been a part of it ) or the country will revolt!
The term "class warfare" is an exageration, perpetuated by the Republican party. True class warfare is the French or the Bolshevik revolutions. Asking the wealthy to pay more taxes is not warfare or penalizing success. It's simply asking those with the ability to pay more, to pay more to support the government of the country in which they live and accumulated all their wealth.
It has gotten worst since Obama took office. However, I believe most Americans are bigger than the media gives them credit for so I am not concerned.
I am extremely concerned about the widening gap between the 99% of us and the 1% at the very top, because societies don't function well with such disparities in income/wealth before dissolving into violence and being overthrown.
And seriously Jack: "Class warfare" has been waged against the middle class by the top 1% since Ronald Reagan pushed his trickle-down, supply side (aka "voodoo") economic agenda onto us in 1981. I always think it's funny how we don't talk about this very much–until the middle class starts to notice how it's being taken to the cleaners, and then the top tier and their media start to whine and moan about "Class Warfare" (1%er Willard Mitt Romney thinks this is a topic that should only be discussed in 'quiet rooms', don't you know....).
It started the day Obama was elected and it will only get worse with his lunatic ideology of income and asset redistribution, giving to those who have done ZERO to EARN anything.
Pure theft by legislation.
The country will forever be divided by this insane mantra, as it should be.
It's a distinct possibility. There is a fine line between cutting social spending fairly and successfully, versus yanking away the social safety nets for the bottom segment of the populace. There is no question that America cannot continue on its terrifying deficit spending binge. Having said that, balancing the budget on the backs of the poor and refusing to raise taxes on anyone else could turn America into 1967 Detroit or even into 2012 Syria. Is it even possible for you to elect wise and sensible leaders in November given the current crop of obscenely rich candidates?
There has been a class war fare since Regan and the middle class has lost. We are almost at poverty level and going down with the ship.
Not concerned at all, Jack, The only answer to Class Warfare historically, is Revolution. And it's starting! That should have been your question. The sad thing is those who think that the differences between the two parties is philosophy. I just don't get how leaving millions with out health insurance, how gutting Social Security and how de-regulating the Banking and Investment Companies so they can finish ruining the economy, ( They are doing twice as much meaningless derivitives that cost us before), how that is a philosophy to help the country? Really Jack, how does that help anything??? Their plan is to let the Banks and Investment Companies police themselves, Really?
If our education system is that broken, or maybe it's just no one is paying attention, or the GOP tactic of repeating the same wrong and misleading information is working, something is wrong!
Anyone who would beleives the GOP Platform will help has the IQ of a lump of clay!
It won't happen until someone or many someones get killed at one of these peaceful Occupy rallies.
Revolution is the only way to stop class warfare and revolution in this country is mosty likely the end of the United States of America. Or maybe all the lumps of clay wake up see the GOP for what they are, the true enemy of us all!
The poor are getting poorer as we work for the rich and they are getting richer. I'm concern that America is beginning to look more like the real communist of China instead of the perceived communist of European countries like Sweden and Denmark.
Why do you think so many of us are buying guns?
Quite a bit, since the Republicans keep feeding those flames. What's amazing is how the conservative media has somehow fooled the folks on the bottom into rooting for the folks on the top - 10 to 20% are on top, everybody else is struggling, yet Repubs have somehow convinced a large part of that bottom 80% to work against their own best interests. But if you think class warfare is bad now, wait until the Repubs take over next January – they're gonna make the Bush economic disasters look like a picnic in the park.
Poeple didn't refer to it as such – class warfare that is – but the" have and have nots" is inherent in being part of the human race. The phrase "class warfare" is a euphemism invented by the media and politicians as bait for the same people that believe Barak Obama is a Muslim". And unfortunately it appears to work.
Actually, Soros and Obama are promoting division, even if it ends up as riots in the streets. This is straight from Cloward -Pivens playbook that Obama studied while at radical Columbia University. This is a long quote but worth reading:
"Cloward-Piven is a strategy for forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The strategy was first proposed in 1966 by Columbia University political scientists Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven as a plan to bankrupt the welfare system and produce radical change. Sometimes known as the "crisis strategy" or the the "flood-the-rolls, bankrupt-the-cities strategy," the Cloward-Piven approach called for swamping the welfare rolls with new applicants – more than the system could bear. It was hoped that the resulting economic collapse would lead to political turmoil and ultimately socialism.
The National Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO), founded by African-American militant George Alvin Wiley, put the Cloward-Piven strategy to work in the streets. Its activities led directly to the welfare crisis that bankrupted New York City in 1975.
Veterans of NWRO went on to found the Living Wage Movement and the Voting Rights Movement, both of which rely on the Cloward-Piven strategy and both of which are spear-headed by the radical cult ACORN.
Both the Living Wage and Voting Rights movements depend heavily on financial support from George Soros's Open Society Institute."
I am not concerned. We live in the greatest country in the world where everyone has an opportunity to go to high school, college and graduate school if they study hard or search for grants and scholarships. And everyone has an opportunity to be wealthy with good old fashion hard work and sacrifice. The only one you can blame for not being rich is yourself.
There's always been class warfare but in the past the top 1% didn't openly show their contempt for the 99%, you know those of us who bailed out the 1%. I guess that's what shared sacrifice in America means nowadays, or at least, that's how our elected representatives see it. Under "W" and later under Obama, Wall Street thrived and Main Street died. The 1% got all the tax breaks and the 99% got the bill. History is repeating itself. We went through this in the early part of the 20th Century and it took several election cycles and WWII to correct the problem. I don't know what it will take this time but a good start would be tossing out all incumbents in Congress and maybe the President himself.
Since Class warfare started about 15 to 20 years ago in this country, I have been and still am very concerned. Now certain politicians want to say that recognition of the ever widening gap between the haves and the have nots is a ploy to divide Americans. I find this declaration insulting as there is substantial and explicit evidence which clearly shows that class warfare was declared by the top 1 % on the middle class several years ago and these same politicians did say one word about it. Now that the middle class is ready to fight back, it's all of a sudden divisive and pits Americans against each other. What happened to fairness and united we stand as citizens of these great United States?
You think that Obama trying to tax the rich is the cause of class warfare, I think that is way to alleviate class warfare.
Do you think the rich are going to cause an uprising, they are all fat and happy. It is the middle class (what is left of us) that will be uprising, and rightly so. The rich have robbed us and the country blind and have no problem with it. I know Obama will again have a hard time with trying to do anything to help the middle class, but I wouldn't vote for a Republican if you had a gun to my head.
Soros is, IMO, exactly right except for the outcome
The french revolution was all about class and inequity, It started with one person who was able to tap into the anger of the serfs. One of the aristocrats said the now infamous line "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche", That didn't work out too well for her.
The wealthy and corporations will do whatever it takes to ensure their executives and shareholders get their money along with a substantial trickle down to congress. The GOP has drawn the battle lines. Without serious reform we will have our Bastille Day.
not worried at all. if we go uptown we get locked up and you know mitt aint coming down here.
Income disparity is ingrained and will only grow as long as we treat some forms of income as more 'worthy' than others. Why should wages be taxed differently than capital gains or interest? We need to get back to the basics, and remind ourselves that an honestly earned dollar is just that, regardless of how it is earned. And the purpose of a tax code is to raise money for the government, nothing more.
Class warfare has already started. Salary levels have been stagnant for years while the price of energy has driven the cost of living a middle class life style out of the reach of the MAJORITY of Americans. The 1 percent have harvested all America has to offer leaving no path to success for the common man. How long would anyone expect the American Dream can dangle just out of reach and not be grabbed groped and fought for?
There's no such thing as class warfare. There are only "the haves" and "the have nots". So far the "the have nots" have been able to get by in life, but as it becomes more apparent that only corrupt key players are among the "the haves", this nation will erupt into something far worse than the Civil War. This time there is no argument over slaves. Instead all those who struggle to eat everyday will wake up and realize that they are Black, White, Asian, Latino, etc., and will unify long enough to take down "the haves".
Well Jack, the truth is that class warfare does exist in order to keep the people fighting amongst themselves so that they do not get in the way of the President making executing decisions such as signing the NDAA into law. If you notice, the government always seems to focus on things that separate us, whether it be rich vs. poor or Republican vs. Democrat, while the real issues seem to go by unnoticed.
Sadly, I don't think we have to worry too much about "class" warfare in this country so long as we continue to split down racial lines given the opportunity. Sound silly? Not so much; think back to the OJ Simpson trial and the hullabaloo that exposed just how far (not) America has come in terms of racial division. A more recent example? How about the fact that the so-called Tea Party and nemesis (GOP) remain predominantly supported by Whites and poor or middleclass Whites at that!! Is that craaaazy or what? Poor and middle class Whites would rather support the GOP and the Tea Party largely managed by wealthy Whites than vote for a Black President. Its so crazy that politics have managed to divide the Christian church right down the middle something I am so sure Jesus would shake His head at.
The class war has been raging since it was first declared by Ronald Reagan when he fired the air traffic controllers! Reagan and subsequent republican administrations have Repeatedly stacked the Labor Relations Board with right wing political hacks and operatives and as you pose this question today the union movement in this country has been eviscorated and the middle class no longer exists. Now they have their sights set on everything the unions fought for and won before their demise. Yes there is a class war there has been for thirty years!
I’m more than concerned, I’m terrified. It’s David and Goliath, except that Goliath has the slingshot and all the stones while David is hog tied and handcuffed, thanks to misguided legislation over the last three decades. And the icing on the legislative cake is the Patriot Act. Then there is the Citizens United decision, total immunity for all who engage in wholesale domestic spying (which Obama voted for) and the complete lack of accounting with regard to those thugs who plunged us into this mess. Under normal circumstances, we would outnumber the wealthy. But most of us are too self absorbed to see that we need to unite against those who have restricted our rights, invaded our privacy and are allowed to run roughshod over us with purchased legislation. The rest are blind to who is pulling the strings and how their wealth is working to drive all of us into serfdom. And Soros obviously missed the fact that the “99%” crowd wimped out with the first dip in winter temperatures, so much for a revolt.
My time is getting near so I’m not that much worried for myself. Up until now I had it pretty good. But I am deeply saddened every time I look at my grandchildren happily running around with no idea of the life that is in store for them. And there isn’t a damned thing I can do to help them.
I am highly concerned. It's a clear case of "Only the strong survive". It is a clear case of natural selection and it will persist. The poor are on the unfortunate end of the resource chain and they will eventually be wiped from the map unless something is done to level the playing field. Civil war may well be the only answer. We bought that t-shirt already in 1860, although for different reasons. It can happen again on a larger scale.
I know I'm pretty ticked off about it. Capitalism is great but it can also turn cancerous.
Greed has centrally overtaken this country. It amazes me how many wealthy people claim to be Christians. Particularly the Republican party is suppose to be strong about faith and values, but they commit one seven deadly sins with ease. I suppose they are just bogus "Bible-thumpers" as some would say. The love of money is the root of all evil, and a direct quote from the Bible they should consider is Mark 8:36 "For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"
Businesses use to be more about standards of service and treatment, now their main priority is to make as much money as possible. The top 1% has more money and wealth than they know what to do with. But I guess I would be criticizing their success if I called them glutinous, another deadly sin.
I'm not that concerned jack, however I do think there should be some clarification about what people are upset about. Nobody in the 99% begrudges anyone for being wealthy and successful, like some folks on the Republican side would have you believe. We're upset about how some, particularly in the financial world, wield their money and influence to skew the system in their favor.
It's going to happen, I'm just glad now that I'm too poor to be a target and too well off to be a participant.
There already has been irrational crackdowns by "Bloomberg's army" and the Oakland clown college cops. As long as we can film it and post to the internet (mainstream media will do their best to down play things) things should work out in the end. The cops can only hide from the cameras for so long.
Not a very timely question, Jack. The war is already over. The turning point came when the Bush infected court ruled on Citizens United. And the fate of the middle class was sealed when virtually every Republican in Congress violated their oath of office and signed Grover Norquist's pledge. Now it's only a matter of time until they pass the feudalism amendment to the constitution. That rumbling you hear is the Founding Fathers rolling over in their graves.
Yes, this is going to get very ugly and especially if the GOP gets control of everything. We made $50K last year and paid a higer tax rate than Mitt Romney. We pay our fair share and are glad to live in a country that was fair and balanced but now it is not. I would be willing to bet $10,000 that we worked much harder than Mitt or any of the rich politicians did.
I am not concerned about class warfare at the present time, but if we don't do something to reform taxes and to get people back to work, we will become a third world country with the very rich, the very poor and no middle class. I don't see Americans sitting still for such a scenario. We have far too many people who have all the answers to our woes and too few people willing to work together to get the job done.
Class Warfare is in its prime. The wealthy know that the system is not fair. But they likely became wealthy by not caring about other people in the first place. Unions have became practically irrelevant because corporations have much more leverage. I use to could work at a place and feel like they needed me more than I need them, which meant I would feel more secure. But businesses now know that people are so desperate to keep their jobs that they will tolerate almost anything.
There very well may be large scale violence, in the future.......if the politicians continue to tell lies, play the politics of division, accept huge amounts of money from special interests, as they watch the middle class disappear......there is much anger at the top 1%.......
EXTREMELY!! My class, the middle one, is marked for extinction. Over and over I read about horrible things that seem unfair, that feel like they should be illegal... and they aren't. Banks can steal the country blind and it is legal. The GOP is a coalition of the rich and the stupid and their solultion to everything is the rich pay no taxes, the rich obey no laws and the majority should shut up and crawl. I hate the direction the Republican party and the significant number of corporate prostitutes in the Democratic Party have dragged us. cy from arlington, va
I'm more worried about the brainwashed sheep that keep voting against their own best interest. If people thought for themselves instead of buying what the big money interests tell them to think we could get the LIFERS out of politics and send a POWERFUL message.Think for yourself people!
The system is set up for the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer. The middle-class is meant to become obsolete. Most that were in the middle-class could not get any government support, so they had to spend all they make on healthcare, food, etc. In order to get food stamps or medicaid, you have to practically be broke. But in the case of not being broke, you end up broke spending your money on health insurance.
It's really the corporations that need dealing with, them and the investment bankers. When was the last time a firm could just cover expenses and make a profit? Now, with the fund managers direction, profits ALWAYS have to be increasing, market share has to be increased, expenses slashed and margins jacked up to the stars. Not to mention the actual rate of increase the previous items have to show. Otherwise, Bain and the boys will come buy and 'reorganize' your ass out of business. There is no such thing as a good responsible business anymore, it's rape and pillage customers, employees and community.
Not concerned at all, Jack. We're all crashing to the ground fast. Does it really matter at what rate? Soon It will all be a "level" playing field so to speak, as bottom = bottom.
American Class Warfare is already underway Jack. The shrinking Middle Class, comprised of mostly a police, military, and healthcare industry; are paid just enough by the Elite Class to keep the vast Lower Class in prison or enslaved by low wage labor. You just gotta live through it to understand it.
Not worried at all, Jack. I've been told, by so many people, that I have no class. I should be safe.
Which class warfare are you talking about; the real one, or the made up one? The real one is about income inequality; that's what the Occupy movement is all about. But mention that to anyone in the GOP and they defend the super rich, calling them 'job creators' and try to pass the buck to President Obama, saying he's the one creating class warfare. If we end up electing one of these clowns then I think Soros may be right. The wealthy in this country have been quietly waging this war for decades, it's only now becoming apparent to the masses. And this is how great countries and empires fall apart, just check the history books. Hope for the best but be prepared for the worst, that's the best advice I can think of for everyone right now.
While Republicans keep beating the "class warfare" drum, they're the ones conducting class warfare on behalf of the rich against the poor. Bring back the guillotine.
I'm very worried. This country was built by middle and lower class people, and now it suddenly looks like the upper class will take over. I don't blame President Obama for this situation, as it's an inherited problem left over from previous administrations. I blame the Republicans, the Democrats, and Wall Street. Too many big-money big shots trying to determine the future of ALL Americans, and caring only about their fellow money-grubbers.
There is no Class Warfare with the rich. Except for Warren Buffet, they have no class to war with.
Yes, as long as the jobs outlook is weak and families are suffering while Washington fiddles, there is a real threat.
The law is becoming meaningless in this country. Why obey laws that only serve the rich? Why obey laws that seem designed to cheat consumers and employees? Why trust courts that have been packed with corporate lawyers and lobbyists? The law has been corrupted to the point that it is not a measure of fairness for all, but a stick for the wealthy to beat the serfs with. All those hypocrites in the GOP who scream about freedom and democracy and the flag are prostitutes who think that freedom and democracy belong to the highest bidder. cy from arlington, va
I find your comments so last decade.
This country was taken over by k street in 2000. Our political discussion is simply a ruse to make people feel they have a voice when the outcome is already in the hands of the wealthy. Welcome to the Middle East Election Process.
No civilization in recorded history has ever survived the kind of centralization of wealth and power we now have in the US. I see pitchforks in the form of automatic weapons on the near horizon.
As a student in college, one does not really feel the clash between different classes. However, more and more of my friends that graduate end up working in restaurants, and laboring jobs. They earned their degrees but they can't find any employers who are hiring. I told them to join the Army because that's what I did.
Jack, this is nothing new. There has been a war on the middle class for 30 years. The Republicans are only screaming about it now because the middle class is finally fighting back.
Increasing polarization – in any field – but particularly money is historically the starting point for many of the World's conflicts – present and past. I fear for our Country
We, the middle class, have had it. We're ready to rise again – we WANT to rise again. I, personally, protested and marched during the late 60s and early 70s and found it to be somewhat effective. This time we'll mare sure it's effective!
I am saddened that the rich have successfully labeled it class warfare. It's not really war when one side has all the money, planes and missiles. And the other side is throwing rocks. It's more like the slaughter of the middle class.
"Jealousy gets nobody anywhere, there will always be those who are far wealthier. Even in Rome Italy (1000BC) there were still wealthy people around. You need the know how, then hyou need to work on what you know, if you're lucky you just may dot it and be one of those wealthy. But I fread about Burt Reynolds and Debbie Ren??? They gambled and lost. I'm wealthy myself and I don't have even 50,000 dollars, but I did work for what I have!"
It's hard to believe that what we're seeing in the Middle East with the Arab Spring happening in the United States. The Occupy movement has largely remained peaceful, even through oppression that has been brought against them from police raids on Occupy encampments in the dark of night to the use of pepper spray and violence against passive protesters. All that being said, if the Occupy movement continues to gain steam, a "rebellion" of sorts isn't out of the realm of possibility. An American military controlled by the government (the wealthy elite) not squashing some sort of uprising seems unrealistic though. In that case, dark days would be ahead of us.
Extremely concerned, in fact I was just thinking today that if Obama wants a second term he should start telling the American people, if they make less than a hundred thousand dollars a year, that they would be fools to vote for anybody but him. Who out there actually believe that the mitts and newts out there would lift a finger to help anybody that doesn't meet their standards. If you ain't rich you ain't nothing.
Dave from NH.
I'm very concerned about class warfare. It's been going on for decades, and getting worse. It seems like, soon, GOP supporters will be chasing after "poors" and "Liberals" with torches and pitchforks for daring to constrain the free markets. Regulations are simply rules so that large, powerful people and corporations can't take advantage of average people, but conservative politicians have successfully made them appear stifling, job-killing, Communist wastes of money. Sorry that you can't buy a new Gulfstream, Mr. CEO, but it would be nice for everyone if you weren't allowed to constantly ship jobs off to China just so you can make another four cents on each product sold.
We, who have not, never have to worry about class warfare. It will always be. But it is really funny to see the super rich fight over who is richer!
It has already started anytime there is a robbery,burglary,or mugging it is just organized yet.
I'm not worried at all. Every country with economic problems go through class conflict, the U.S isn't an exception.
This Jack is the million dollar questions. Will the average American struggling to survive do better as we address the huge deficit in this country or millionaires. The answer could have a lot to do with the future of this country, the Presidential election and the survival of this country. I think the struggle is good as it will bring us back to our roots as Americans which has always advanced the middle class. The middle class is falling behind and big structural changes must happen for them to survive in the future.
William J. H. Boetcker said it best:
1. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
2. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong
3. You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich.
4. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
5. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence.
6. You cannot help small men by tearing down big men.
7. You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.
8. You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income.
9. You cannot establish security on borrowed money.
10 You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they will not do for themselves.
God is against covetousness, Marxism is a godless ideology that contradicts the truth Jesus spoke. In this world you will have trouble. As a lower income Latino, I KNOW well fair is in God's holy, loving hands. I don't need Obama to force pagans to contribute to help me. Charity God honor's comes from a contrite heart. Charity is not mandated. Obama is a Marxist exploiting fear's, inspiring covetousness. His agenda is leading the naive on the broad road that leads to destruction.
Let the real war begin, it's been brewing for a hundred years.
I am concerned! Washington needs to understand that this is a government of the people and by the people, not a government of the wealthy by the wealthy. I think anyone who is so disrespectful to the office of the President as to not go tonight, deserves to be voted out of office! All people ask is fairness in the laws!
We have moved from a government "of the people, by the people, for the people" to a government "of corporations, by paid politicians, for increasing wealth and status." Yes, class warfare is coming. Such cannot last.
Zooming in individually on the super-rich and corporations may temporarily work, but will just stir the "class warfare" pot in the long run. Although a laborious process, a complete overhaul of the tax system may be in order. We (presumably) want to make progress, which entails that we stop messin' around and just get 'er done. So am I concerned about class warfare? Not really, primarily because it has been happening and will be happening until we reform the tax system.
Its about time! (for class warfare in the good ol' USA)
I've been predicting civil unrest for the last couple of years. The Occupy movement did not surprise me. I think it's time to really address these issues before we end up dealing with domestic attacks the way other countries do. In the meantime, I'm going to prepare a better emergency kit.
Desperate people do desperate things. Poverty, hunger, and the obvious futility of trying to keep up as we lose more of our possessions, our homes, our former lifestyle, and individual and family security.... can and will drive some to violence.
Im concerned....that it wont happen!! The only way we will get change in this country is if the PEOPLE bring it about. These putzes in washington are all beholden to one group or another and its reflected in their policies and nothing gets done on a populous scale. These politicians need to be reminded they work for us not the highest bidder.
Class warfare isn't anything new in this country. Workers have been fighting against the rich for decades to get everything from the 8-hour workday to ending child labor. Currently we're imprisoning the lower classes, based mostly along racial lines, while the middle class shrinks into obscurity, and the rich continuously enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else. And this isn't partisan, or divisive. It's the truth, albeit a truth people like Romney and Gingrich are determined to ignore at all costs, and even more determined to convince the American electorate to ignore it too. I'm concerned for the future of our nation if we can't fix our economy than I am whether the 1% are unhappy to pay the same as we do in taxes.
Amazing how some politicians claim this is something new. Where have they been the last 30 years? Oh yeah, busy getting richer while decimating the wages, freedom and liberty of We The People.
When there are so many poor people, and the middle class is becoming poor, we have to explode at some point. The rich cannot expect that they will be safe and protected. We love our children also, and we will not allow our children fall off of the edge of the Earth while the rich get richer.
You bet I'm concerned about class warefare. Right now it's a buzz word; but if things keep going the way they are, violence will occur. We believe so much in American "exceptionalism" that we think we are immune from the consequences of our behavior. Throughout history, no country with sustained disparity of income as great as ours has survived. Yet, many of our citizens seem to think what is happening around the world in Greece, Italy, the Middle East simply can't happen here. They need to get there heads out of the sand. What astounds me is that so many vote against their own self interest and don't even understand they are doing so. I want my grandkids to have the same opportunities we did. Our politicians need to stop the mudslinging and start paying some attention to the 1% who are not interested in "raping" the rich, but getting a fair shake. I'm not at all sure the reverse is true. From Sarasota FL
Call it class warfare, or call it a struggle against an oligarchy. Either way, the people will find a way to control their own destiny, not be controlled by the priveledged few.
Not concerned at all, Jack. I go to a high school in which many students are wealthy, but nearly a quarter of them live in or near poverty. There are absolutly no social tensions inside or outside of the school that I know of. Seems like us teenagers have bigger brains than adults for once!
I'm not concerned. "Class warfare" is an invention of and scare tactic employed by partisan politicians, who in turn are aided and abetted by the media. The term has gained credence only because the current poor economy exacerbates the always present and quite natural envy of those who are better off than we are.
How concerned am I? Very. Armed conflict is inevitable as long as the corporate and banking elite remain in power. And don't break it down into a duality, because it's not. It's not democrat vs republican. Obama is just as guilty as Bush. Possibly worse, he signed the NDAA 2012. Somethings going to give out soon, maybe from the tea party, maybe in OWS, maybe something unaffiliated with either. Then Police will over react, public anger will spill out into the streets. Martial law will be declared. And from there, unfortunately, civil war. It's coming soon, i promise you!
Extra points if you can connect the motivations for SOPA/PIPA to the signing of the NDAA 2012 (hint: it's the same path hosni mubarak took)
Every empire in history has failed because of class warfare. If America is going to survive, the 1 versus 99 needs to be replaced by 300 million individuals who share the same rights and support each other to pursue their dreams.
You know what really bothers me about this issue is 1. Now the government is going to decide whom we should share our money with..government controlled charities? 2. For every dollar of mine supposedly shared with the less fortunate, how many of my dollars will go toward the salaries of 100s of Federal Employees who will administer my contributions, how much will the poor really get. 3. Since when has it become a CRIME to be successful...it seems we now criminalize those who have worked hard all their lives, made many sacrifices to become financially secure. 4. what is a fair share. In simple terms if I made $!m and paid 30% thats $300k. Does someone who makes $30k a year pay their fair share, with deductions for family, house and more most middle class pay less than a few $1000 per year. I know because I've been on both ends of the spectrum. Finally, its not about MORE TAXES its about LESS GOV. Fire half this country's free loading federal employees, close and sell half of the federal buildings and return that money to the people. OOOOh but you'll never hear government agree to that, but thats the way we have to do it in small business. Thx Jack for letting me vent....a frustrated x-dem,,,
I don't understand the question. Are we supposed to be concerned about the existence of class warfare in the US, or the dawning recognition of it by the 99%?
My biggest concern is that we just now discovered class warfare has been going on for 40 years or more. I know president Obama is doing his best to bring an end to this class warfare, but I'm worried it may be too late to stop the assault on the middle class that has been going on for so long in this country!
This is certainly possible if Congress does not reform a badly broken tax system. Many of the wealthy rely on dividend or investment income at 15%. With "Special" Congressional tax breaks, charitable contributions, and tax free income, many citizens pay a much higher percentage than the Romneys of the US. The greatest example of inequity was the Wall Street thiefs who STOLE millions in "Bonuses", even during the rescue by taxpayers.
Jack the poor and the weathy are getting the same free ride on barrowed money 42cents of every dollar Obama is spending.
Obama is fanning into flames people's base emotions. It is wrong what he's doing. He is a wicked schemer who must repent.
I thInk its a great thing. When Afro Americans were segregated and desecrated, it took a civil uprising to set things right. And we're better off for it. it took a war to get the British off our backs. And were better off for it.
History proves that wealth disparity is bad for everyone (see great depression, French Revolution, Libya and most 3rd world dictatorships.) And it may take a war to rectify this wrong, if i had a billion dollars you'd have to fight me to take it.
Class warfare has been raging in this country for a long time. You rarely see the sons and daughters of the wealthy serving in the military, even when there was a draft. I remember a president in th 1980's who told America that if we gave tax breaks to the weathy that money would "trickle down" to the middle class and poor. Pres. Obama's contribution to class warfare is merely to point out that in the last 30 years, the money has trickled up, not down.
Doncha just love history and the spin on it ? Over forty years ago the foreboding future scenario was an inevitable conflict between the "haves" and have "nots". This is a trans-class simplification. What about the near middle class folks that lose their job, home and family? They now join the have nots, but with cognitive ability to strategize and counter the connivers. Now I am reminded of an add for a sci fi flick...."and YES there will be BLOOD" ! Initially the haves will have the high tech toys like the crowd trailor-mounted microwave which will cook the masses from the inside out, presumably with a short burst, just to say "blanche" the folks but not destroy them. But the trigger just might stick a bit longer, then you have like a "field-barbeque". But when the thing overheats, the remaining masses will anonymously over run the toys and challenge the conscience of the "soldiers". Pray that Yellowstone blows it's top first.
I am very concerned. Yet, I don't believe we can straighten out the country without a massive calamity such as riots in the streets. We are now living in the age of "greed" and "selfishness." You cannot "reason" with people who are greedy and selfish. I believe this country is "rigged" against the poor and middle class. The only thing that will change the countenance of mankind is "Pain."
A scare tactic. Will it prompt the US government into action?? I dought it... I really dont believe there is no quest for the rich... or middle class for that matter to equate with the wealthy.... but rather we expect those politicians in that wealthy catagory to at least do the right thing by the American public when they are in office. This continued quest for "Power" "Position" and helping out their "Own Kind" has gotten out of hand.... but we keep right on electing them??? Which is a bit bizzar in itself. Class Warfare?? Not so much... but no telling what might happen when you piss someone off to the extent that we seem to be trending at this time.
As the richest people continue with the greed and not think about worker class blue collar,white e collar and many american's losing jobs,car,house while this little group opening factory s abroad ,we are screw up ,also this group have money for run presidential campaign 2012 because the y not share the power and don't care about the rest of humanity
Being in the middle class is what the
American dream is. Not everyone wants to be rich. but everybody wants to have the ability to dream small. I work hard everyday for my family and my checks never seem to meet in the middle . you can call it class warfare if you want I call it reality .
Point 1: All the people who say you aren't concerned about this because the Republicans will be voted out: Get educated, the Democrats have been pushing class warfare for years, they have been the instigators of class warfare for generations.
Point 2: All the people who say, that you are the 99% and they are the 1% and you out number them: Get a life, realize that they, the Elite Democrats (who make up the upper crust of the upper crust) are using you as tools. Do you want to be a tool, a useful idiot? That's what you are to them, they are using you and the Occupy movement as a catylist for their ends. It will not end happily, as their ends will lead to oppression. I say to you, the so called 99% break the cycle by counting your blessings and be greatful for what you do have, rather being envious of others who have what you do not. Realize that there are many in the world who would love to have that last couple of bites you threw in the garbage, or the last couple sips of water in that bottle you left sitting on the shelf for days.
Point 3: George Soros knows what this is all about because he is the number one instigator and mastermind behind these types of revolution.
What rock have you been living under since 2001? Bush and his handlers won the presidency in 2000 by stealth and guile and then stormed the "Shining city on the hill" with their tax cuts for the wealthy and the immoral war in Iraq that enriched his wealthy supporters even more. President Obama has tried mightily to retake the ground lost to the plutocrats in control of the GOP but his party has been too cowardly to follow him. Hopefully Occupy will show them the way and reestablish true democracy in this cou try
Obama – CLASS WARFARE. We the people are profoundly concerned. It is a historical fact – the greatest countries and empires in the world were toppled because of this. The French Revolution, The Russian Revolution are prime examples. The aristocracy were literally dragged from their homes, men, women and children and put to death. When the working class can no longer feed their family, keep a roof over their head and they see the ruling class, Politicians – both Senate and House members are ALL millionaires, a fact, i.e. CNN – and we the people pay their salaries and we the people live on minimum wage which they choose the amount – oh yes, a revolution is coming. This is not why America was founded. Somehow the politicians got lost along the way. THEY squandered tax payer dollars and caused this economic crisis. WE the people trusted them. WE the people were and are being screwed. No answer from Obama or anyone. Just empty rhetoric and prose. OBAMA – a career politician is one of the causes. Where did taxpayer money go? How can Obama shrug off Solyndra and other bad “bets” he himself made with tax dollars. If a common citizen did that – they'd be jailed for embezzlement or fraud.
Instead of calling tax hikes for the rich 'class warfare' you could call it 'to avert class warfare'.
What's the worry? The peasants always end up winning. I've got my pitchforks and my Guy Fawkes mask ready for deployment.
It's been obvious for a long time, why do you think there's so many weapons and ammunition sold lately?
Concerned? You bet! What Washington and the repubs have forgot is that this is a government of the people by the people. Not a government for the wealthy by the wealthy. We want Fairness in the laws!
We, the 99%, will win the class war the 1% started.
It is OK that the 1% do well. It is not OK when the 1% buys politicians and judges so they can squeeze every drop of blood from the rest of us.
If the 1% doesn't back off so there is a reasonable balance, I fear that Mr. Soros' concerns will prove to be predictive.
Also, I just looked at Wikipedia – what's wrong with being a "Saul Alinsky radical"?
The scariest thing, to me, is that is is now becoming difficult, and may soon become impossible, for most kids who do not come from wealthy families to even get a college education. Education is vital. My friends still in academics tell me there are very few American kids in graduate school in science and engineering these days. Partly, because so few American kids are adequately prepared for meaningful education in high school, but largely because American kids who don't come from wealthy families are so far in debt from their undergraduate educations, that they cannot contemplate graduate school. This, combined with the incredible anti-intellectualism embodied by the republican party and the uneducated losers attracted to kook, extremist ideologies promulgated by the kook right, is a very sinister omen for US competitiveness in a gloabl economy. Few Americans seem able even to connect the dots from a failing economy and nation back to outrageous military expenditures and uneeded and unnecessary foreign military adventures. However, if true class warfare will result in justice being served on the corrupt politicians and public officials in this country, count me in. This nation is as corrupt as any to have ever existed – but the corruption occurs at levels that the uneducated masses cannot even perceive. As the so-called supreme court has ruled – corruptions have a constitutional right to bribr public officials. If those unelected political hacks and traitors can be brought to justice – bring on class warfare.
Greed and power is always is the breeding ground for class warfare in any society and we as a country are at that crossroad. I don't know if any society can self correct once that cancer takes hold. History always seems to prove that violence is the only way to stop such an ugly monster. Would it not be wonderful if we as a country could be enlightened enough to take the other road and realize the difference between fairness and a handout. Believe it or not they are quite different !!
There is a fine line between hard working middle class citizens and people who free load off state and federal social service programs.
It depends on the next election. If President Obama is re-elected, I expect a class war in the streets. Anarchy, terror and government dependance work to the benefit of President Obama and George Soros' socialist goals. I've never donated money or time to a political party, until now. I think it is a moral imperative to defeat the president this term. I have never seen 2 people create such animosity in our country, and that includes Nixon and Clinton.
Worried? You bet. A devisiveness that feels like the '60's civil and racial underpinnings is a silent undertone, not spoken aloud in polite circles, but very much out there. While some are grocery shopping at mega discount stores to save a buck on a loaf of bread, others like Romney, have closed Swiss bank accounts so it "would look better." I for one have been waiting and fearful for the clash that will take to the streets, something on the order of the Occupy movement-but a whole lot worse.
No civilization in recorded history has ever survived the type of centralization of power and wealth we now have in this country. If we don't start paying attention to this I'm afraid pitchforks could be replaced by weapons far more deadly.
Soros is right.
What is old becomes exaggerated again. Class warfare appears to be a beefed up term for recognizing the inequities that exist in our country. I don’t believe most Americans begrudge those who are wealthy or those who work within legal parameters to keep their wealth. Thus, we don’t have class warfare concerns; we have concerns related to who advocates for the average American.
I'm concerned about "Class warfare" as long as Barack Obama and his cronies, like George Soros are trying to brainwash the country into believing that capitalism is America's enemy. Dosen't George Soros watch the News??
His beloved OWS Ocuupiers have committed rape, murder...and just last week one of "them" threw a smoke bomb onto the White House lawn, while the 1 % were being responsible for their families and their own well being by "WORKING"...gee..what a novel idea. And George Soros' secretary pays less in taxes than does George Soros?
Maybe you journalists should explain to your audience the difference between income tax and capital gains..and stop
misleading the country !
I'm concerned with the government using protesters as an excuse for marshal law. We are already Losing our liberties in the name of homeland security. I wouldn't be surprised if the government causes a problem just so they can unleash their solution. Which is a problem.
I am sad to see the media giving a voice to a billionaire madman that would take great pleasure and pride if our system becomes exactly what he foresees. A repressive political system. Follow his money trail. It takes you exactly to the place he predicts we are going.
class warfare? I'm already under attack. all seniors of limited means are under attack. by the far right that would strip us of what we paid into, of the promises the government made to us....
all middle class and lower classes are under attack from the 1% who control the wealth and corporations that hire and fire....
America's democracy has been attacked and the battle was lost when the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Citizens United that made corporations like people and let loose the corporations' dogs of war against our democracy.... the question is will the corporations, the 1% win this war or will we stand up and speak out and prevent America from becoming an plutarchy....
Until Wall Street CEO's are dragged out into the streets and hacked to pieces by the working class – it is not a real class war. Telling rich people to pay their taxes is not a war. It's part of living in America and should be respected like any other civic duty!
The rich have been waging class warfare on the poor and middle class for decades. All you have to do is look at the figures on division of wealth. I am so tired of it and the detremental effect it has had on my children and family, but I don't blame Republican Politicians, they can't help being the lapdog of the rich and corporations. I blame the lack of spine in Democrats to fight back and the Republican voters that keep voting against their own self interest because of stupid issues like abortion, gays or gun rights and the debt. Obama did n't over spend Bush and the congress created this economic debacle. All Obama has done is save us from an even worse fate by paying the bills we had already incurred due to bad decisions. I am afraid we are so far gone only armed conflict will return power to the average American as the Constitution intended.
Class warfare? I hope not, but I've got my scheme of defense, fighting positions and guns and ammo ready. Just haven't locked and loaded yet.
Soros should feel worried. He's a billionaire and he's been bankrolling this ridiculous Occupy movement and I hope they turn on him and bite him in the butt. He and Warren Buffet have come out lately pretending to care about the so called 99% because they fear these same protesters. This President has divided us, not only by starting this "class warfare," and this "Class Warfare" is also HIS subtle way of dividing this country by racial and ethnic groups.
I have been worried for quite awhile,trickle down economics is code for the rich get richer while the rich in the GOP have no clue what we go through. When I lost my job , my severance was taxed at the max, and I needed that money to live on. I ended up with 14K to live on till I could find work and thank the Lord I had it .Now we hear Romney payed 13.4 % on his millions......that is class warfare no doubt!. I can understand why this makes people mad as hades , it does me! Go 99%ers!!
In a historical view anytime there has been an extreme difference between the rich and poor, coupled with a significant loss of the middle class has always led to a violent revolution. If we don't learn from history we are doomed to repeat the same unfortunate mistakes.
I'm not concerned because I'm in the 98%,it's the 2% who should be concerned because there out numbered.With any luck maybe there starting to worry about it and they will trickle a little more down to us saps
"Here’s my question to you: How concerned are you about class warfare in this country?" I'm not concerned at all if Obama loses the election, very concerned if he wins and continues his push towards communism!
I read these posts and the vast majority consist of whining. We want something that somebody else has. Waa, was, was. Please! This from a country where the poorest citizen would be considered wealthy in over 90% of the world. As for class warfare, no one is better at fomenting this than our president– one of the most divisive presidents in history. It's no coincidence that this feeling of "warfare" has occured during his term of constantly belittling the wealth generators of this country– while simultaneously receiving their largesse in his campaign coffers and enjoying their lifestyle. Who's the hypocrite here?
We are in the midst of a struggle that will lead to strife if it isn’t corrected. The recent supreme court "Citizens United" ruling, the National Defense Authorization act legislation that allows Citizens to be detained indefinitely by the American military and the huge disparity in economic conditions between the rich and poor are all indicators that something is wrong. We are becoming an Authoritarian state where the ruling class oversees the de facto indentured servants.
It's about time.... Bring it on.
If those socialist libs go after my money I am going after my gun!
I don't believe it has anything to do with who we elect into office. The greedy corporations and their executives are fueling this by hiring part-timers, no benefits and low pay and there is not a thing we can do about it. My grandchildren will suffer from this.
I am concerned that if the wealthiest keep fighting to NOT pay more in taxes, those who are so terribly disenfranchised will resort to violence against those of us who are not the 1%, but live in nice houses in upper class neighborhoods. We have seen the day-time break-ins in our neighborhood go up in the past 6 months. Most of us are NOT "rich" but we appear that way, to those who are desperate to feed themselves and their families. Most of us are just retired people who worked hard, bought homes over 20 years ago, and live on fixed incomes. I can't speak for my neighbors, but we don't keep a safe of cash & jewelry; we don't even have a safe. We rarely have more than $100 cash in the house at any time. We don't have expensive paintings or collectables. However, from the outside, it's safe to assume that those who are struggling to survive, probably think we do. I'd hate for any of us to be burglarized, traumatized, or killed – merely because years ago we were fortunate enough to build a house in a nice area, so we can retire in a pretty and peaceful environment. With the increased crime in our area, I believe the class warfare won't be against the ones who can and should want to pay a little more; it will be against those of us who wish we could afford to do so.
I'm very concerned that the rich "conservatives" want to redefine the USA into a corporate-controlled police state where ordinary people are constantly relieved of their basic dignity, spied on by cameras at every street corner, disavowed of basic citizenship (especially women) while the rich live unconcerned in their "cloud" of mansions and yachts and offshore accounts. Sooner or later the thug police of the corporatists will remember that they have famillies on the "wrong side of the railroad track" also and will refuse to do the will of the rich. Sooner or later, the average couch potato TV viewer will realize that the "conservatives" defination" of America doesn't include them. And then there will be a war. And just guess which side I will be on
By all measures, we should be there now. Because so few understand our system, social unrest has been sporadic (OWS as an example). We have a seemingly progressive tax system, though the rich are largely paid in capital appreciation which goes either untaxed or taxed at a low rate. We have a highly regressive monetary system. We cure the extremes of the economic cycle through manufactured inflation. The cost of that inflation is born entirely by the poor and the middle class. That manufactured inflation drives up the price of real assets like real estate and stocks and bonds. The end result, no real wage growth for decades and the rich are richer than ever.
End corporate welfare.
End the nanny state.
End the wars.
End the Fed.
These aren't a bunch of abstract philosophical topics. They are all interconnected and all designed to one objective.
Ron Paul 2012
I have no problem with there being"class warfare" at this time. The middle class and poor have lost just about everything while the wealthy have gained at the expense of them. With nothing else to lose and everthing to gain and the wealthy with everything to lose and nothing to gain it is the right time for a class war to begin. It is only when the wealthy are in great fear of losing a substantial portion of their wealth that they adjust their outlook on how to keep what they may end up with. The reason they stay here is that other countries are more than eager to tax the wealthies money if they should move elsewhere and these countries tax very much more than what is taxed here.
I'm stocked up, locked and loaded. Bring it on! But seriously, if the income gap gets much worse we're talking Bolshevik levels, and we know how that ended.
Class Warfare? The media is making it sound like the upper, middle, and lower classes are going at it mano a mano. The issue at hand is an opinion that the wealthy should (and could) pay a bit more in taxes. It's not like there is a battle royale going on in the populace. Com'on man...! Lets not create a bigger problem than there is. Are you trying to cause conflict?
Class warfare is universal, constant and eternal. The only thing that changes from place to place and time to time is who is winning and who is losing. Sense the time of Reagan the middle class has been losing. It is time to rebalance the scale.
This is utter foolishness. This type of garbage is nothing more than long discredited Marxist jargon. There is an underlying fallacy to the "Occupy" argument. It states that rich people have money because they have stolen it from the poor and middle class. If this were true, there would have historically been a static amount of wealth available in the world. We all know this to be nonsense. New sources of wealth are constantly being developed. Soros should be ashamed.
I am afraid that America is on a one way path to class warfare, and all wars involving class warfare end the same in history. The wealthy lose.
It is not called "class warfare," it is called being "fair," Jack. I agree very well with Pres. Obama on this issue. How fair is it that the top (1%) earners in the country pay the lowest of taxes while the middle and lower classes pay more in taxes...that doesn't seem too fair. The Republicans can paint this BOLD move from the Pres. blue and black as they want, but we all know the truth here. This great nation has thrived for many years on the values that "if you work hard, then you deserve to be successful," so then why are all my wages being taken away from me in taxes? I don't understand it at all. If Warren Buffet's secretary pays more taxes than Warren Buffet, then something is wrong somewhere. It clearly shows that the system is broken. Therefore, the system needs to be scraped off, revamped and then re-instituted. Yes, the top earners in the nation are 'supposedly' the job creators in the country, as the Republicans would claim, but they are already getting too many tax breaks (under the previous administration's tax laws) that we, in the middle and lower classes, do not get...so why is it now a problem because the Pres. wants the top earners to pay their own fair share of taxes? We really need to stop lying and deceiving ourselves in this country if we really want to move this country forward.
Gwynn Oak, MD.
I am very concerned about income inequality in this country. The rich contiue to get richer (we received proof this morning with the release of Romney's taxes). Capitalism at its best is a great thing. However, it is Captialism at its worst that has caused the inequlaity of income. The right wants to target the "poor" as lazy. I find that truly offensive. I am not poor, but I know plenty of people who work hard every day making $8.00 an hour. I would like to see Romney try to make it on $320 a week – and that's before taxes. And some of these folks have college degrees.
We've always had class warfare in the U.S. Before unions were organized, the wealthy business owners treated workers poorly, and the divide between the rich and everyone else was great. Then, unions and the labor movement leveled the playing field a little. Now, due to an organized effort to weaken the unions and make the wealthy wealthier, the divide is widening again. All we can hope for is a peaceful worker revolt – and some help from the government to rein in the excesses of the 1 percent.
Notice the state I'm from. It's as bad as it gets here. If people want to see class warfare, just wait until next summer when the Texas budget comes around again. It's going to decimate the schools, firemen, nursing homes, police, EMTs, small town budgets and so much more. When we had the horrible fires this past year, out of state firemen came and had to share their equipment with ours because of budget cuts. The number of small towns without police is frightening. So as to class warfare, I'm afraid it's going to get ugly.
I'm somewhat concerned, but won't be surprised. When you have a multi-millionaire running for president and goes out of his way to be coy about his taxes because he knows it will be unsettling to 99% of Americans. Just goes to show, there is a huge disparity between our nation's rich and everyone else. I'm sure everyone will find a way to blame President Obama when he's done nothing but bring to everyone's attention! Well at least to the 99% that paid no attention to this fact or didn't have a voice to raise the issue!
Class Warfare as put forth by the Obama Administration is wrong. In his redistribution schemes, only a portion of the stolen wealth will ever make it to those less fortunate. The majority of wealth collected will merely be redistributed to government growth as the cost of administering their programs skyrockets out of control. Tax someone $100 more and provide $10 in services. What good does it do when only a few cents of every dollar ever makes it to its intended taget?
This is no longer such a far fetched proposition. The disparity between classes is starkly divided as the middle class have become an endangered species in this country. In 50 years I have never heard so many reasonable Americans with vociferous opinions about class divisions. When a mass produced loaf of bread gets to ten dollars and the American people actually realize how much of their savings, retirement accounts and social security have been looted, there will be a reckoning that Americans will be unable to turn off and tune out. Given the partisan divide and the impression that our elected officials are all puppets of the upper class, trust and civility are all but gone. Watch the debates for proof. I have had conversations with people who see TSA checkpoints on our highways, increased home invasions, commonplace kidnappings for less than princely sums, and barbed wire fences everywhere. I used to see these comments as not rooted in the reality of this great country. No longer.
The idea may happen. There should be limits to how someone can make at the expense of others
very, what gets me frustrated the most is that the republicans have managed to turn the ice cold policies of the previous administration and sold it to middle class Americans like they were Eskimos. We saw the effects of these policies implode most recently in the 2000's, and the GOP candidates are out there stumping on the same "magic beans" they were selling before. Acting like its completely new idea, and the same companies that did what was "legal", unchecked wont screw the American people all over again first chance they get.
It was never much an issue before Obama has been pushing it in our faces. You sow what you reap, if you work hard, you deserve your rewards. If you are lazy, you deserve nothing. Why should hard working people have to support the lazy.
How worried am I? Enough to have sold everything I owned here and am making plans to move to another Country. Just like the days before the Fall of Rome, many moved to places like Constantinople, or what is modern day Istanbull, I plan to be far from the certain collaps of this unstable and corrupt political system that cannot or will not fix the problems of greed that will end the doninance of this once World power.
If we do not get some finacial equity in our country and grow back the middle class we will have anarchy and the folks with the money will hire the "contractors" that they use in Iraq to protect their compounds. The poor will continue to be disinfranchised and will take to the streets, this time with guns instead of slogans !
The fact is the rich have been waging class warfare on the middle and lower classes for decades. It seems to me the rich could use a little class warfare directed against them for once.
As long as politicians can drum up votes by positioning one group of society as "US" (or the 99%, the "middle class", etc.) and "THEM" (the 1%, the immigrants, the Jews, etc.) and get elected, there will ALWAYS be class warfare and repressive, demagogue-driven laws powered by the tyranny of the majority. Two novel solutions: 1. Use the anti-monopoly laws to break the duopoly of the Republican/Democrat system, and 2. Enforce the separation of State and Economy in much the same way as we once changed the world by separating the State and the Church. The Free Market can only work if we end corporate cronyism and political protectionism from veering it in one direction and then the other with each regime change. And let's get rid of the electoral college – everyone's vote should count, even my libertarian one in New York City!
How's it go, "Give a man a fishing pole and teach him to fish ..."
Jack I'm very concerned. But this is less about class warfare really, and more about the battle of ideas. We are at a crossroads where we as American's need to decide if we are going to continue as a Capitalist country or whether we are to become a Socialist country. Those are lines. And that is what the next election is all about.
There is a class war, but it is an assault on the middle-class.
It's not class warfare. It wasn't class warfare when the top bracket was >90% for the ultra rich around WW2. It's not class warfare. That is a term that is being used by the GOP to make it sound as if raising taxes on the rich isn't fair. Taxes on the rich are currently at their lowest level in many years. Romney paid less than 14% effective income tax in 2010. I paid over 30% and don't make a tenth of what Romney does. That is unfair. That keeps the rich loaded with money and stops others from achieving that end. There is a reason that the rich have gotten richer while the middle and lower classes have lost ground.
Class Warfare? This sounds like some 3rd world country conversation. Come on Jack! why is it when some big shot billionaire speaks we (the media) listen, what US history degrees do Mr. Soros have to guess such predictions? I can guess we as a country will get through this period an i'm not a billionaire
The divide between rich and poor may need to become greater before class warfare becomes a reality. The current system with many in the diminishing middle class holding Wall St. shares through 401K and other means works to restrain those people from becoming involved in efforts to destabilise the system of which they are part. However, if their economic situatiion worsenst to the extent that they believel that there is no recourse except to wage war, in whatever form that may occur, these same people may well take up front line postions. With the addition of the already-impverished the stage would be set for revolution, either relatively peaceful or even violent. With the entrenched 'Establishment" interests controlling the military and the police the consequences could be dire.
Class warfare is nothing new. Its human nature to use anything within reach to stroke the ego and convince self, "I am better than you." Violence as a response is nothing new either. It's just a matter of time until we finally are enlightened and realize that if we all give no one has to take. It's either we stop the cycle that we've been particpating in historically since before the word, "historically" existed or we continue to play our part in the tragedy.
The middle class has been under attack for 30 years, it took losing everything for us to wake up and start defending us against class war that continues to be waged against us by some very greedy people without any morals who most claim to be Christians.
True class warfare started with the Bush administration. Large corporations have been tightening the screws on middle america, and have taken advantage of the economic downturn to suppress wages and put fear in those people who are still working. Everyday I see the right side of politics try to weaken the labor laws and break the back of middle america. Our future labor climate will look like China where you have only wealthy and poor. Get big business out of the heads of our congress and stop big business lobbyist from entering the halls of congress.
Not terribly concerned, because no matter how much money the wealthy make and spend, they still have only one vote.... as do I and the rest of the 99% (which, if I remember my math correctly, is more than 1%)
Barrack Obama and his major supporters are not the first people in US history to incite class warfare for political gain and they will not be the last. They will, however, fail. It is, as always, a quest for power and control. The rhetoric may be about “fairness”, but huge sums of money are moving from public coffers to political campaigns via public worker unions and private beneficiaries of massive federal deficit spending. Fiscal realities dictate that this cannot last.
The good news, American class mobility has inoculated the country from significant class unrest and violence. The same sense of fairness and unlimited opportunity also made the Civil Rights movement successful. You can look around the world and find places where race, religion and ethnicity feed violent unrest for centuries. Not here.
Class warfare is a losing strategy.
first of all, why do we continue to use the context of war in just about every discussion. good grief; how tiresome.
secondly, the elite in banking, gov, military and such see themselves separate and apart from the society at large.
they may pay lip service to social and economic equality, but they are hoping to keep the masses dumbed down and distracted with worry, fear and and tons of useless "entertainment." Success is now defined as excess. We the people keep their self-serving machine oiled. We the people are the blood that moves through the veins of the collective body that serves the needs of the elite
Occupy is on to something. I hope like hell they don't let up.
This system is profoundly broken in just about all aspects and on all levels.
We can't keep looking outside or "up" for answers/solutions. This is an inside job that must come from the bottom up. We have to become more informed and more courageous and a lot less willing to be led and manipulated by self-serving governments.
We have entered the era of the Nunti Sunya, the era of transparency and expansion. Mother nature herself is a participant. Mother nature, as we have witnessed, does not discriminate. She is the "queen on the chessboard" that will help to usher in change via the back door.
Equal opportunity is not the same thing as equal outcome
Worried, terrified! Tarrow wrote that a social movement needs four properties: a collective challenge, a common purpose, solidarity, and sustained collective action. In a society thats driven on materialism, we as people jump, dive, and run towards these goods and services dangled in front of us. In a dismal economy, one that has students graduating and others losing jobs people might just unite and demand an easier path to goods, happiness and improved living standards. \
Best, Mario Soto
Why can't America worry about all of the people who pay NO income taxes instead of a handfull of super rich people? Do you know anyone with a cash business? I bet they are paying NO income taxes. Be mad at these people, not people who have made a lot of money and are lucky enough to be able to live off of capital gains.
I'm not worried. Americans pull together when things go wrong.We have the greatest Constitution in the world, and we always have been a country of law and order. Those who see "doom" in our future are those who are looking for headlines. We aren't going to riot. What we do need is a government that works together to make the people and their needs the number one priority. So listen politicians, you are part of the problem because you're not getting your priorities straight.
What makes you think America is different from any other country concerning dis-content? Everything changes!
obama the one that started all of this.he don't care who gets hurt as long as he gets 4 more years.
Internationally educated, I have seen this coming for several years and my analysis see a future with martial law and even curfews in some parts of the country. We'll see!
Class Warfare is part of GOP warfare. It has 2 compnents:
1. Redistribute the money to top 1% (it was successfuly implemented with Reagan)
2. Cry out laud if anyone wants to change that.
I am very concerned about it. Nobody is dicussing realistically how to improve our economy, how to create jobs so that people can support themselves and their families, so that the only limiitations are our own personal drives and ambitions. All we are talking about is how to make sure the other guy pays for us too. If this keeps up, there will be no generation of new wealth in this country, we quickly use up the existing wealth, and then there won't be anyone else to keep paying for the rest of us.
We should all be concerned as this usually leads to third world statis. No leadership usually alows dictators or super pacs to get a foot hold in the government. Our country is now at risk.
obama the one that started all of this. he will do anything to gets four more years.
George Soros is a billionaire madman that has been working towards class warfare for decades. The ultimate capitalist would like nothing more then a political system that controls the country. Do the homework and check the background on this crazy man. Follow his money trail and see that he really puts his money where his mouth is. Class warfare is something we need not give a voice to. This country is in a delicate place.
If people think there is class warfare today they weren't around to witness how the Black population lived in our Southern states just some 50 years ago. They don't have any idea what a how a migrant worker lived or a tenant farmer. They don't know anything about a time before pensions, the 40 hour work week, minumum wage or healthcare.
Yes I am concerned. We are going on 80 yrs. old and have never ever seen as much hate from the wealthy.
They could care less about anyone that are of the 99%, whether we Democrat or republican. They are only for getting richer.
There will be riots in our streets or a civil war if they get tighter control of our country in this election . It is so sad to see the USA go downhill like it has, especially since Bush was in office from 2000 to 2008. Vote Obama.
There has always been class warfare with the wealthy and corporate interests almost always winning. So I'm not concerned at all. I'm happy to see someone fighting back. In sheer number terms, 99% outnumbers 1% easily, so before things get too ugly, the affluent will openthe safety valve to let off steam by giving a little temporarily. I'm not against someone who works hard and takes sensible risks doing well. I'm sure Romney for example is a lot smarter and worked harder than me to get where he is. But if the poor and increasingly the middle class can't access education, investment capital, healthcare, etc., then the American Dream that holds us all together is dead.
Why do they only call it "class warfare" when the lower classes start fighting? The upper class has been waging a successful war on the rest of us since Dubya's tax cuts for the wealthy – after he was appointed President by his Daddy's Supreme Court nominees. Obama is just trying to help the middle class do some of the fighting.
Why are you asking such a question? The class warfare has been waged for 30 years starting with 'trickle down Ronnie'....guess who won??? We just witnessed the financial sector looting the treasury because of their risk and greed, but there has been no accounability or regulations to keep it from happening again...the war is all but over and the middle-class lost. What we need is Teddy Roosevelt again to remind us why he had to bust up all of the 'trusts' that did the same thing in the early twentieth century. You people and your 24 hour news cycles have erased any interest in history...history is now whatever happened the day before yesterday.
Very concerned about class warfare. The poorest of 50% don't pay taxes, but eat well since they are all obese, Somebody has to feed these people, guess what it's the other 50%. Look at all the poorest cities and the poorest states, they are and have been under Democratic control (governor and legislature). Guess what, people are stupid ,they keep on voting for the Democrats. Once we vote Obama out and the Republicans take over we will have jobs and things will get better. If Obama stays there will be more obese people and will want more money from the other 50%.
Why are we only just NOW worried about class warfare?!?? The Right has been openly engaged in class warfare against the middle class for THIRTY YEARS. And now they have the temerity to accuse Obama of class warfare? If the republican party were a psychiatric patient this would be called 'projection'. Accusing other people of faults that are actually your own.
Well if things don't change that is exactly where things are heading, people can only take so much and then you have shows like sweet 16 on MTV , literally flaunting their wealth and austentation in our faces
It is perhaps trite to suggest that politicians have fostered class "warfare" as they play to those who have asserted control in their respective parties. Those in control in both parties espouse extreme positions in order to solidify their base, ensure reelection and maintain their ideology.
Along the way, people who prefer decisions based upon critical thought are left behind. People who believe that this country stands for equal opportunity and treatment under the law are seeing those rights trampled for the many while the few who have bought and paid for the Congress and the White House prosper.
All it takes to understand this phenomenon is a trip to most Central and South American countries to see walled and secure villas surrounded by abject poverty. That is the future that our politicians are bringing us. And the current crop of Republican candidates for President of the currently still most powerful nation on Earth appear to be blind to this issue. They seem to want to "bring it on".
Class warefare is the latest weapoin the dems (Obama) has instituted to divide the US and get the poor and uneducated to vote democratic. If a person earns his money/assets, who am I to demand a part of it. The politicians would do a great service to this country if the tax code were improved so that everyone pays their fair share, every one that draws a paycheck.
I'm not majorily concerned currently, but obviously something needs to be done on taxation. I think people making less than $20,000/ year need to be taxed less than 10%; on the other hand, I don't think taxing the rich more is the solution (as we can see already), but there needs to be some regulation on this, as we can see with Mitt Romney's 14-15% taxation rate which equates in the range of the taxation rate of those hard working middle class working Americans, despite his income coming from investments, capital gains, etc. Let's give the poor and middle class a chance using a fair and feasible solution–why don't we cut taxation rates for the poor and middle class by at least 2-3% and keep the taxation rate for the rich constant? After all, most of us hard working Americans don't have the advantage for 'investments' or 'capital gain' for those 'lower' taxation rates like Mitt Romney.
Jack, I'm very concerned that our Plutocracy is heading down a very destructive path. The greed at the super rich and big corporation level has put us in an unsustainable debt position. Once we lose our spot as the world's reserve currency you'll see financial chaos and social unrest like we've never seen before in this country. It's time to take our medicine and fix the tax system while reducing our spending. It will be painful but a lot less painful than the alternative.
"Billionaire investor George Soros warns a class war, including riots in the streets, is coming to the United States."...probably true, and it's courtesy of Soros himself, Obama and his OWS nutjobs.
The 12 steps to economic equality:
1) One class, the "workers." no capitalism or personal wealth allowed.
2) Member of the ruling party are the only ones able to vote
3) Only preselected persons allowed to join the (ruling) party
4) Complete control by government of the media and citizens contact with the outside world
5) Stagnation of free expression most notably in the "arts."
6) Higher education only for party members families and those who test exceptionally high.
8) Workers realize that the best housing, food, and privileges are reserved for party members.
9) Increase use of drugs and alcohol by workers.
10) Decline in personal productivity
Very. However, I do not think it is a recent development. It has merely reared its ugly head with the new age of communication. Capitalism is a form of class warfare. We've merely dummied down its dark side with a soft definition for political, social and corporate correctness. The rich have always waged war on the poor. Not to say the poor would not do likewise...if they could afford it.
Very concerned. I spent 20 yrs getting to the point where I could afford a townhouse (single family home is out of my reach here in DC), served for 14 yrs in the military, got my degree at night, worked 60 hr weeks. My family barely makes the "rich" category, but Obama says we're there. But you know what – I EARNED MY MONEY! I paid enough in taxes last year that I could have bought a fully loaded mustang GT Convertible or hired a maid instead, employing more us workers. I help out my elderly parents because military retirement isn't enough for them to live on. I have a handicapped brother who also needs my help. And now I'm being told I'm not paying my fair share? Bull hockey. Where was the Occupy crowd when I was overseas working 17 hour days? At home in their beds. Where was the Occupy crowd when I was going to night school? Probably partying with their parents money. If the Democrates and Occupy Everything have their way, I'll move somewhere where I can keep most of my money. Then you'll have to find someone else to steal from.
I saw a protest sign recently that said "its only called class warfare when the middle class fights back." I agree. The fact of the matter is wealthy individuals are able to pay lobbyists to represent their interests on Capitol Hill and shape the tax code and other legislation to their benefit. When the middle class asks for fairness (most of us are paying a lot more than 15% on our taxes and we don't have our earnings tucked away in the Caymen's) its not class warfare.
I wasn't raised to think that just because someone else made more money than I did, that somehow, I deserved part of it.
If all the people who believe in wealth redistribution were honest with themselves, they would have to admit that this attitude is largely driven by envy. Let's not forget that Romney paid $3.1 million in federal taxes in one year. What did the average middle class tax payer contribute? Des Moines, IA.
Yes, I believe violent class warfare is coming soon. With so many people unemployed, there's a lot of anger in the air.
Jack, Just look at where the wealth is now compared to 30 years ago. You will know who has been engaging in class warfare and more importantly, who won.
Tim in Des Moines, Ia.
You can fight the war, and the lower class would win. However, even if they took all of the upper classes' money, they still would be unable to pay for all of the spending becuase it is a SPENDING problem we have, NOT a REVENUE problem....
Class Warfare is a way to scare people. Why not say something like "unrest" or "dissatisfaction"? The answer to that is, of course, because those words aren't scarey enough, and fear makes people run in the opposite direction rather than toward the problem to try to fix it and sympathize with it. It's the same as calling the desire to help the poor "socialism". Well, Jesus must have been a socialist because he condemned the rich and their treatment of the poor and he lifted up the poor. I would be ashamed to call myself a Republican and at the same time be complicit in making the rich richer and the poor poorer.
I've always loved that quote: "When I feed someone who's hungry I am called a saint. When I ask why they have no food I am called a Communist". That's the country we live in now. Anyone who questions the unchallenged power of the 1% is berated by their rich defenders. This will not last. We will storm the Bastille...
I answer with a question , How long should we tolerate such an enormous inbalance of wealth? I'd say by the deficit
now is the time for huge change in policy!
Corporations and the very wealthy have been successfully waging class warfare on the middle class and the poor for years via their paid government operatives. It's not until a good number of ordinary people have the gall to start complaining about income disparity and unfair tax policies that beneift the rich at the expense of everyone else that Republicans start yelling about "class warfare". Capital gains and corporate taxes should be returned to the levels they were under Reagan, and the loopholes eliminated. There is already a move developing in government to eliminate the mortgage interest deduction, one of the few remaining tax policies that primarily benefit the middle class – all in the name of "broadening" the tax base; while simultaneously pushing for further reductions in corporate and capital gains rates. Politicians should have to wear labels on thier suits so people know who their actual sponsors are – because it sure isn't the voting public.
It seems that a portion of the 1% is also Democratic(i.e. Soros!), so neither party has exclusive rights to or blame for the 1%. The controlling factions of both sides don't care because they are all part of the 1%. They will survive intact after all of us 99%rs are gone.
I'm worried for the innocent and gullible. Who will be caught up in this fight. When the Occupiers began I saw a sign that read Capitalism VS God or Christianity. So I googled that, and when did Capitalism begin in the United States. I also picked up my Bible and researched everything in old and new testament what God thought about wages, coins, gold etc. I don't believe God is blessing American. I found capitalism is not that old in our country and at one time the Church would prosecute anyone that took advantage of a citizen. But in the late 1800 hundreds the church began to look the other way. And guess what happened. Now we can throw out 101 year old women out of their homes. And let capitalist take their property...does anyone care?... And now the media, church and republicans are helping to put fear into your hearts... if you help the poor, widow and the stranger in a strange land... is this evil. Well as we say in our house "as for me and my house we will follow the Lord" (quote from the old testament). And will look after the poor, the elderly and the stranger in a strange land. It amuses me the Republicans like to say in "god we Trust" but according to my Bible their god does not begin with a capital G. Trying to use fear to suppress the people not to fight back...Do you care? Are you brave enough to fight back? President FDR taught my generation, "the only thing to fear, is fear its self". If you let the religious right scare you, the media or the republicans you will live in fear all of your life. You may gain a 15% tax break but you could lose your moral compass and not to forget to mention your soul.
If it IS class warfare, will someone remind the 1% that it was they who fired the first shot. And the second.
Jack, People make their success through hard work, planning and creating their own opportunities. We don't all have the same abilities but can achieve economic success at some level. The government cannot afford to maintain the same living standards for us all. Politicians on both sides of the isle attempt to buy votes promising hand outs. We must all accept our own individual responsibilities. Bob Neslage, Georgetown, Tx.
I'm concerned it WON'T happen, our citizens have short attention spans! We're supposed to be of the People, by the People, and for the People; instead we have a government of greedy politicians, by the lobbyists, for the corporations.
Neither Republicans nor Democrats care anything for the people anymore. Throw all the bums out and put PEOPLE in there!
obama started all of this.
This is a response to the super PACs. They use their money to buy politicians. The average person only has their vote. They have vote agains the super PACs and the politicians and rich people who support them.
As Americans we have come together many times to fight a common threat to our well-being. Gaining our Independence as a country, fighting two World Wars, and placing a man on the moon are examples of what we can do united. This divisiveness is directly caused by the size of our federal government and all of its expensive programs. Our government is too expensive to maintain and so we have this never ending argument as to who should pay the lion's share of its costs. Reduce the size of government and that will take away the argument over who shall shoulder the brunt of this burden and that will bind us together once again.
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