FROM CNN's Jack Cafferty:
I don't know about you, but I'm a little tired of being treated like a mushroom by my government. You know... kept in the dark and fed fertilizer.
President Obama is hailing the end of the Iraq war as though the enemy had signed the terms of surrender on the deck of the U.S.S. Missouri. What hogwash.
This is the same war Obama referred to as dumb nine years ago, but now it's "Hail to the Chief," marching bands and rah-rah-rah. Look what we did.
What we did was invade a country that had done nothing to us, killed hundreds of thousands of their people as well as thousands of our own, bankrupted the Treasury in the process - all in the search for weapons of mass destruction that a cynic might suggest we knew didn't exist in the first place.
The Iraqi government told us a few months ago to get the hell out of their country. That's why we're leaving. We're being kicked out. Nothing noble about that.
Before we were told to take a hike though, we built the largest embassy in the world along with more than 500 military bases at the height of the war. All at taxpayers' expense.
We had every intention of occupying. We had no intention of going anywhere. See there's all that oil over there.
As it is, we will leave behind some 17,000 people at that embassy compound. Yes, some will be members of the diplomatic corps, but there will also be contractors and intel folks who can keep an eye on things. Just in case those weapons of mass destruction turn up. Or Iran tries to fill the power vacuum, which it will.
What garbage. And the government has the gall to paint this as some sort of military triumph.
This isn't the end of anything. It's the beginning of a long-term occupation not unlike Japan and Korea and Germany.
Here’s my question to you: Why after all these years can't our government bring itself to tell us the truth about Iraq?
Interested to know which ones made it on air?
Kendra in Alabama:
If the Obama administration admits that the Iraq War was a mistake, they'll have to answer for the three extra years our troops have been there. Also, let's be honest, he will do and say anything to make himself look good for re-election.
B.J. in Illinois:
They are good liars, good liars stay with the lie. Question: Why do they have so many secrets? It's supposed to be an open society.
Ed in Texas:
Stay alert, Jack. The same Neo-Cons who sold the war in Iraq are hard a work on their next project: a war with Iran.
Bonnie in New Jersey:
Seriously Jack, did you use the words truth and government in the same sentence? Whether it be Iraq, bailouts, how many are really unemployed, "job creators", etc., they think we are a bunch of blithering idiots who believe anything they tell us. It's like being married to an unfaithful spouse: if I don't get caught, it didn't happen!
Richard in Texas:
What is our government going to say? Whoops??? Sorry? Mission accomplished 9 years later? How did invading Iraq make America a safer place to live? What economic benefit was this war to America?
Very simply put, Jack: the truth hurts. The first thing we did after invading Iraq was to protect the oil fields. As we depart, we continue that pursuit by protecting the oil fields in Southern Iraq. It always has been and always will be about the oil.
Because it was a mistake. America has gone from being the world's policeman to the world's meddling mother-in-law. And have you ever known a mother-in-law to admit a mistake?
It's not the government. It is the Bush administration and most republicans. They think that admitting they were wrong is a sign of weakness. What they don't realize is how much respect they lose by not admitting it. Sadaam was a toothless tiger, declawed and defanged by Schwartzcoff, Powell, and GHW Bush. Those men I respect.
One question for you Mr. Cafferty–When has the government told us the whole truth about ANYTHING???
They are good liars, good liars stay with the lie. Question, why do they have so many secrets. It's suppose to be an open society.
Very simply put, Jack, the truth hurts. The first thing we did after invading Iraq was to protect the oil fields. As we depart, we continue that pursuit by protecting the oil fields in Southern Iraq. It always has been and always will be about the oil.
I don't think we want to know. What service member's family could stand hearing it was all for nothing? Especially those who have had loved ones killed or maimed. And, of course, there's that trillion bucks we might have used elsewhere. I suggest you direct your question to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.
Because it was a mistake. America has gone from being the world's policeman to the world's meddling mother-in-law. And have you ever known a mother-in-law to admit a mistake?
And just exactly WHAT TRUTH would that be, Jack? That we went over there for OIL? Last time I checked we are still paying the world market price for oil. The REAL reason we went to Iraq was that Saddam Hussein was an IDIOT who thought he could do anything he wanted to violate U.N. sanctions and he was simply shown that he could not. End of story. Let it go!
Lets see here the US is about 200 plus years old and those folks over there are about as old as mankind and that depends whether you believe man was created by GOD or just dropped out of trees. But, in any case it is like a new born telling its parents how to bring it up! Just look at politics in general and the state of this country and you get a sense of how grown up we really are. Then we are telling them how to act? LMAO! Sorry, but I just couldn't help myself Wa Wa.
Because the climate in Washington is such that admitting to a mistake is a sign of weakeness. Besides, it's probably not a mstake in the eys of the GOP; the GOP wouldn't want to admit that the military industrial complex needs an on going war or post war supoort to stop – that would be bad for their contributors, Jack. The GOP can't have THAT happen!! It's sad that we've come to the point that what big business want, big business gets – no questions asked.
Well, Jack, I guess you will have to ask Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld, Inc.
Or, maybe that question should have been asked 9 years ago, or 8, or 7, or 6,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Jack: The government does not like to admit it made a mistake to invade Iraq. There are some in this country who still believe that there are WMD in Iraq. The people running the government in 2003 made the biggest mistake this nation has ever made in 245 years of existence by invading Iraq. The young men and women who fought and died in Iraq were the very best this nation had to offer. You can bury people, we can repair people, but we can not bury or repair the mistakes made in Iraq by the United States Government.
When would the government tell us the truth, about much of anything?
Anyone who actually thinks the government does that.......is very naive.
Iraq is no different. We were kicked out by the Iraqis, under the departure terms set 3 yrs. ago......but the government will paint it, as a "job well done", and as "the war has been won". Nothing could be less true.
If they told us the truth they would have to expose these wars as the rackets they are. They would have to admit their incompetence and disregard for our Constitution. Psychopaths have a hard time with truth!
Governments and politicians lie, end of story. Ron Paul in 2012...
The American government has deluded itself in the belief of its own grandeur. People have become skeptical of whatever they tell us anyway. Ever since the Warren Report the government has lost its way from the truth. Just a few months ago the government released documents of top secret information from World War I. I guess the government believes like Col. Nathan R. Jessup in "A Few Good Men" that we can't handle the truth.
The truth? The war was a government shame since day one. After 8 years, twice as long as WWII, the truth was lost long ago wrapped around countless lies.
Because it was a big lie to begin with. No weapons of mass destruction, no terrorist safe haven ect.ect. If we as a people have not figured it out by now then we deserve more of the same from the republicans, which is exactly what we will get. More breaks for the very rich more cuts in pensions, social security ect. ect. Wake up people before its to late.
Because there is money to be made and an election next year.
Classical empire-syndrome plutocracy has infected our country, so we will never get an honest answer from our 'leadership;. Unfortunately, all of us are going to have to pay for it. It would be good for our country if everyone who works for or was elected into the Executive/Legislative/Judicial Branch inside DC would schedule a one-way cruise into a black hole. My suggestion is that they take every single one of their masters from K-Street with them. Bon voyage folks and don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way to the ship.
Because there are many people on the hill who are unwilling to have any statements that might imply that a Republican president made mistakes. With the number of fights on the hill, do we really need another fight right now.
Well 8 billion dollars and close to 4000 U.S. Troops and allies dead not counting innocent civilian deaths what's to tell? I mean what is our government going to say? Whoops??? Sorry? Mission accomplished 9 years later? How did invading Iraq make America a safer place to live? What economic benefit was this war to America?
Seriously Jack, did you use the words truth and government in the same sentence? Whether it be Iraq, bailouts, how many are really unemployed, "job creators", etc. etc. etc. They think we are are a bunch of blithering idiots who believe anything they tell us. It's like being married to an unfaithful spouse, if I don't get caught, it didn't happen!
Because they can't take the chance that we would be SO angry that we would riot and/or vote every single one of our lying politicians out of office! I'm already SO angry that we could "occupy Wall Street" but we couldn't, in all the years of this war, "occupy DC" on behalf of all of our warriors who were being killed and who were being permanently injured/maimed! And our government isn't even taking good care of them when they come home! None of this is "what makes America great"!
Because our shill of a government has no balls, nor values. What do you expect W or president Cheney and vise-president Liz Cheney to say, "Oops", we made a terrible mistake? These crooks are in the pockets of the defense contractors. Yes, our troops are leaving(hurray for that, but only by a past agreement that bush agreed to) Iraq....but the contractors are staying for the duration, on our dime........sweet isn't it?
The status of forces agreement we were leaving under was negotiated before Obama even took office. The reason we were there was to eventually invade Iran. Amazing how Cheney was so gung ho to avenge the insult to Jimmy Carter. The entire war was an excuse to keep the defense establishment well fed after the collapse of the Soviet Union – but at what horrible cost! The quicker we can get out of the region, the better. Iran's people will take care of the Mullahs – we don't have to. Even if they won't, God will, as the revolutionary gaurd generation will eventually die off, kind of like the current crop of Catholic bishops.
We will never know the truth about Iraq because it would expose George Bush's incompetency as President. He, alone, is responsible for the death's of thousands of our troops and the squandering of trillions of taxpayer dollars. We all know this, but it will never be admitted that we had a real dunce in the White House and that most of the decisions were made by Dick Cheney..
Why should our government start now? It has a long history of not telling us the truth about much, and the spin meisters that run this country, not only do not want to tell us the truth, they are incapable of telling the truth. It would expose too much that we the electorate would find objectionable and vote them out of office or call for their impeachment.
Not admitting to a mistake is a natural government reflex. That is why we have a Free Press, but they did not do their job, so both have blood on their hands.
Yes Virginia there is a Santa Claus. Yes Jack until someone steps up and takes the microphone away from the politicians we will keep being fed lies and half truths. What war have we won? Remember "Mission Accomplished?? How about we just admit we have not one a single war since WWII. Not one of our leaders has stepped up and said- we won nothing, we are getting out before shedding any more blood." We are not the nations peacekeeper and cannot rate a win or a loss, its a leave and not come back.
They lie about everything for balance of power. Those who like truth have truth to support their beliefs and those who like lies have the goverment behind them.
Stay alert, Jack. The same Neo-Cons who sold the war in Iraq are hard a work on their next project: a war with Iran.
If the Obama administration admits that the Iraq War was a mistake, they'll have to answer for the three extra years our troops have been there. Also, let's be honest, he will do and say anything to make himself look good for reelection.
Well Jack,the truth on any issue is a good question.But to your question:Because it was flawed from the horrible start and so foolish as are many of the programs BIG government dreams up then can not manage.These are Jack
bafoons dealing with things they have no idea about....................soooo the answer is as always..............
IT WAS COMPLETELY FLAWED FROM THE START SO AS ALWAYS THEY LIED AND ARE DOING AS WE SPEAK IN TODAY'S HEARINGS,slight of hand and lying is all they know Jack.Its not they who suffer or pay and pay..........
its the people who's money they steal and squander DAILY.
Jack, if they told us the truth about Iraq (which we pretty much already know), they'd have to tell us the truth about so many other things (which we pretty much already know). Those of us who haven't drunk the KoolAde haven't been fooled at all. We're just powerless to do anything. Departing from "answer mode" - this is the finest article I've seen of yours, and I agree completely with your assessment.
Because government is not in the business of telling the truth, it is in the business of perpetuating itself. The minute a government anywhere tells the truth is the minute the skies will open up and God tells us we passed the test and we're all welcome in heaven. I'm not holding my breath.
Please understand the sensibilites, Jack. Families of the dead don't want to hear their loved ones died for a mistake.
The same reason the Federal Government keeps anything in the dark, to prevent citizens from questioning the actions of the Government. These are not wars anymore, these are markets, markets for the privatized military industrial complex, where we risk troop lives to deliver toilet paper to private contractors. We blow up bridges to rebuild them, and as long as entrenched privatized military companies have a foothold in Washington, they have an unlimited and unwavering supply of tax payer money.
Truth telling is not in our government's DNA. The truth would expose the absolute corruption that festers on Capitol Hill, and we can't have common sense and logic running rampant up there. We haven't been in a legally declared war since the end of WWII because politicians can't be bothered by things like a Constitution when there is money to be made off of killing human beings for profit. To expect the truth from government just makes one look like an idiot.
It's very simple. The U. S. was committed to Iraq for one reason and one reason only. Oil and big corporate greed – read Haliburton. Now, Iran will end up with all the oil and we'll still have the debt to pay and the cost to our noble troops.
Because the truth – greed – is too painful. The war was waged based on BS, and still no one is doing the perp walk for it. But there was money to be made and by God it was. Still would like to know who ended up with that $9 Billion in cash and still say we should check Cheney's assets, probably Bush's too. However, I agree with the rah rah rah the President is doing. How can you do anything less to the troops who fought and especially those who died for the cause? Tell them they fought in vain? Not hardly.
Maybe they have been. But life in America is a fast food drive thru with sound bites and commercial break trips to the refrigerator. FDR spoke of "no nation ever again committing agressions against another nation". Perhaps the timelines have been interrupted by BP and the arrival of fossil fuels . . . but Kuwait, the Persian Gulf and the shifting demographics surrounding Jerusalem affect everyone of the planet. Prosperity and peace are a factor for most of the region and the world committed more than 75% of the world's construction cranes in Dubai to assist in making diversions for young, restless youth. Extremism did and does impact people outside of the region. Who else could you trust to bring domestic tranquility . . . who? I think that the withdrawals are premature. If things continue, then we'll be remembered for fostering a climate of revolution . . . and then leaving.
It is about the big business/big government complex. Wherever our troops go, the private contractors go. The Bush administration went into Iraq, after secretary of defense Rumsfeld privatized many of the military support functions. Vice president Cheney's former employer Halliburton, made billions there, to name one of many contractors.
The truth is business has made billions at the cost of life and limb, ours and Iraqis.
So who dare tell the truth about that?
If they told us the truth they would have to expose these wars as the rackets they are. They would have to admit their incompetence and disregard for our Constitution. Psychopaths have a hard time with truth! At the same time Mr. Obama wants to sign this NDAA bill putting our Fourth Amendment in jeopardy, Congress is dabbling with the idea of censoring the internet. This is the thanks our troops get for thinking they were protecting our way of life, Less Freedom and Less Liberty! Our Constitution is on life support and the way people vote in these elections are going to be the life or death of America! When people go to vote they should ask themself if they are Democrats, Republicans or Americans and do the people they are voting for uphold the Constitution? America is not America without our Constitution! Many people have died during our history defending it!
I find, like other proud institutions, the church, universities and yes, even the government, there is a culture that seems to shun any kind of humility, hindsight, admission or the dreaded word 'mistake'. To do so, will get you get labelled as 'weak'. Its an arrogant posture that says if you drill a message home long enough, even if you yourself know it isn't true, it'll eventually get accepted as fact.
Simple. If the government told the truth about Iraq, it might lead to honesty about all those other countries we're stationed in. Far worse, it might lead to honesty and transparency throughout government. Their corporate paymasters would never allow it. It could reduce their bonuses and stock options.
Mitt Romney is no Hillary Clinton in any election year because he don't stand for anything other than getting elected,Hillary Clinton never attempted to just breeze her way to the nomination with seriously engaging ,she fought for it tooth and nails,I don't like Newt Gingrich anymore than I do Romney but at least he's forcing Romney to earn the nomination if he does gets it.
The truth is, if you had Halliburton stocks in 2000, you're now much richer than you were.
The question Jack is...Why can't the REPUBLICANS tell us the truth about this war, they are still lying...republicans like John McCain who say the President will be despised for ending this God awful war...That was the whooper of all lies.
Because it would mean having to admit they were wrong. And we all know how good our politicians are at admitting they made a mistake. Cheny is a perfect example. He still won't acknowledge any wrongdoing.
Because it isn't the citizens Government anymore. It is the Governments, Government. They might as well be Chinese. Doug.
NOW would be the time to fly in, land on a carrier, and program "Mission Accomplished".
Jack, I didn't get the impression that it was a victory celebration by the president. Instead, it was a celebration of the end of a national nightmare that didn't have to happen. I also think it was a celebration of pride in our troops who sacrificed lives and limbs. How do you think our troops would have felt if we had speeches about a very mixed, if not totally unfavorable end and moved out quietly without a ceremony with honor and optimism for the future. We cannot change Islam and should not have expected a "mission accomplished" in our perception of the phrase.
Thank you George W. Bush! Mission Accomplished!?
Jack have you not figured out by now that we are mushrooms and are meant to be kept in the dark. Our government never tells us the truth.
I agree with you Jack, I think that our government is hiding the truth from us. The truth is that we accomplished nothing in Iraq and people died on both sides of this conflict died for nothing. This invasion of Iraq wasted lives and treasure. The American occupation will continue in a different form. Instead of having US soldiers over there, we will now have American contractors and diplomats and intelligence operatives over there. This continued occupation will surely cost us billions of dollars every year. Depsite the pullout, US military forces will be nearby in the region in the event and ready to rescue Iraq if it is invaded by Iran or if terrorist try to topple the new Iraqi government.
Most politicians simply find it too damaging to their popularity to even hint at the possibility that some of our soldiers, as well as Iraqi citizens, may have died in vain for a war with no clear end objective. It is not unlike Vietnam, in the sense that we "capture" territory and then abandon it, with nothing achieved but more lives lost and a growing resentment of the US in many countries in which we interfere. Ron Paul is seemingly the only candidate that would change this. I know how I'll be voting...
Jack I agree with you 100%. Everyone knows the reason we invaded Iraq was because of the oil they had. George W made one of the biggest mistakes in our history. He not only invaded another country that did not ask for our help, but he tried to do it on the cheap causing us more chaos and trouble then we could ever imagine. I think eventually many years from now when the desert dust has settled, the Iraq war will be looked upon as one of the biggest mistakes we ever made in our history. We all know it but if you are a politician looking to get reelected is not politically correct to say it. The only politician I know that calls it for what it is, is Ron Paul and I commend him for that.
There is no need. At least half of us know the truth and have all along as we desperately tried to avoid going there by trying not to elect Bush. The rest will never believe the truth anyway. And the contractors will still be sucking our treasury dry.
No idea, its not like the average fatass American would actually every revolt. Why should we? Wal-mart is still open, we still have the cheapest gas in the world, and before you know it McDonald's will start to do home-delivery. All is well in the good old U,S of A, and the government knows we're all fat and happy, so why shouldn't they lie? Hell, they gave all our money to Wall Street a few years back and we all yawned. So Jack, who are you voting for on "The X factor"? That's what's really important here in the land of make believe, I mean the USA.
Because it would require Republicans to admit they lied us into an unnecessary war for greed and ego and the Democrats would have to admit they were too scared to oppose the lie.
After all the deaths of US troops and Iraqi people and thousands of injured – no one is head accountable.
great question, jack. next time you're standing next to some muckity-muck at one of those washington parties, try asking THEM. then come back here and tell US. you know – like journalists used to do before it all became co-opted.
-political hypocrisy is always the flavor of the month in washington-
I don't think they were hailing it as a victory in the sense that you are presenting it. It is a victory because we are pulling our combat troops out. Don't try to twist this into something it isn't, all it is, is a celebration of the fact that our troops are coming home.
One reason is that to cast it as anything other than a noble venture tells veterans and the families of the dead that the whole thing was a waste of time, money and lives. Why do that when we all know the truth anyway?
I don't know that they aren't telling us the truth Jack, since Obama has always said this was a dumb war and his goal was to get our troops out. I don't think he ever said any different. As for the big festivities, I think you missed the point; they are for the troops who fought and died for our decisions as a nation. This is their celebration, please don't take away it's meaning.
I am as unhappy as you Jack, but I disagree on almost every detail. Bush Sr did NOT invade and unseat Saddam Hussein to avoid a long term occupation ending in a religious fundamentalist state under Irans influence. After 11 years of No Fly Zones and 9 years of war and occupation we have a religious fundsmentalist state, psuedo democratic, under Iranian influence. We have a 17000 man Embassy that is a sitting duck for mortars, snipers and RPGs. And no reason to believe that the local forces would do anything to prevent attacks on the embassy. We do not have an occupying force, we have 17000 hostages waiting to be taken. Too few shooters and restrictive rules of engagement mean that they are just waiting to be taken hostage. The Iran hostage crisis on a massive scale. Too few for self defense and too many to evacuate. In WW2 we learned that we could win wars by overrunning our opponents leaving absolutely no place safe to hide. Destroy the enemy forces completely and leave them nowhere to run or regroup. Since then Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq have shown that anything else fails. As a veteran I am tired of fighting wars the politicians have no intention of winning just so they can look good in photo ops. Obama has merely proven that he is as hopelessly cynical about sacrificing soldiers lives for political gain as Bush Jr and Clinton.
Truth about what Jack? Are we ready to send G.W.B to the International Criminal Court?
Because our Government and its officials are not capable of telling the truth.
Jack, you answered your own question:
"This isn't the end of anything. It's the beginning of a long-term occupation not unlike Japan and Korea and Germany."
The government can't bring itself to tell us the truth about Iraq because if they did, we would DEMAND the arrest and prosecution of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condi Tice, and the other criminals in the Bush administration that are directly responsible for the death and/or wounding of well over 30,000 American military members.
A long term occupation, Mr. Cafferty? With 17,000 people? And you say that Obama is being dishonest by trying to put a positive spin on things. What else is he supposed to do? Say "well, the bad news is, we got over 100,000 people killed and spent trillions basically putting Iranian-trained Shiites in charge. But the good news is, it's over and we'll be spending a lot less money from here on out, probably mostly on trying to screw things up for the Iranians as much as possible?" Is that what you're looking for? Why?
The rulers of the state are the only persons who ought to have the privilege of lying, either at home or abroad; they may be allowed to lie for the good of the state.
or something like that
It's the same reason you tell a little kid lullabys instead of the truth about what the real world is like. Unfortunately, the American people are perfectly content in remaining blissfully ignorant.
Lee from NY
Sun Tzu states in the Art of War, that all war is based on deception. The "Truth" is we should try to stay out of wars altogether, but once in the first casualty is "Truth" always has been and probably always will be. Nollaig Shona Dhuit !
America needs Ron Paul!!!!
You're right, Jack. It is garbage. But we were successful in enriching military contractors of all kinds, Cheney's company, Halliburton, made billions, as are the "security contractors" now. That was the plan and it was a raging success. Who cares how many Iraqis or how many of our holy troops died as long as the people who contrived it made vast fortunes from the taxpayers. And Obama blew it from the time he was sworn in. As soon as he swore to "preserve protect and defend" he should have been handed arrest warrants for Bush and Cheney on treason charges. Now that would have been hope and change I could believe in.
Admit failure? Never! But then they admitted just that to Iran about the Drone and what we were doing with it. So...the government trusts Iran with sensitive information, but not it's own people. And the beat goes on...
The rich corrupt powerful politicans don't want the average citizen to know 90% of the sneaky underhanded tactics the government is involved in – they just want you to pay for them.
There are lot's of Colonel Jessep's in very powerful positions who believe that "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH". Mostly because our having the truth would cause their little worlds to come crashing in, but they are the ones with the power.
The truth is we should have never been there.
Bush wanted to finish daddy's war. And so the stupid WMD crap was fabricated.
Now we will all be paying the bill for this war for the next 20 years.
Oh, you did realize that they put the war on the U.S. credit card, didn't you?
Why after all these years can't our government bring itself to tell us the truth about Iraq?
Jack, are you expecting right wing media to tell Americans that the right wing made a HUGE mistake taking us into war with Iraq? It's not going to happen.
What I don't understand is why we hear only one view in media – the conservative right wing view – and nothing more. My tax dollars that pay for the airwaves mean that I should be able to hear like minded people too. I am not the only progressive in America!
CNN sure has gone to far right in recent years, why is that?
Obama's in a tough spot here. Americans have spilled their blood in Iraq many coming home in body bags or with limbs lost. He feels he has to credit them for having done SOMETHING. He can't openly deride their reason for being there. Everyone knows it was a foolish waste, but why rub the military's nose in it? They were blameless.
Becuase it would destroy anyone who did so politically. But why take that out on Obama? What do you expect him to do? Stand in front of the troops and say, "Hang you heads low, you've been kicked out of Iraq. This was all dumb to begin with. Don't be proud." Come on Jack, how can you fault the president who is Commader-in-cheif at the end of the mission (more or less, as you point out) for trying to lift the morale of the troops as the leave as save face for the nation? What would you have expected any president to do in such a situation?
San Diego, CA
Because whether we change administrations, dominant parties or our socks, in the end the corporate influences on Washington have remain unfazed and in fact benefitted mightily from this war. Gee, maybe they even had something to do with GWB starting it in the first place, ya think? Although the dems are marginally less odious in this respect than the repubs, it's only marginally so. They are all at the mercy of the purse strings because they all worship their own power and status over what they are supposed to be doing for we, the 99%. So long as our office holders are chosen essentially based on who is more strongly underwritten by these corporate interests, nobody is going to tell us the truth about ANYTHING. Campaign finance reform NOW. But it seems 5/9 of SCOTUS is also bought and paid for, so there's no real hope, is there.
There's too much money to be made by the big military contractors, who in turn line the pockets of our Congress...to the folks in Washington, our enlisted men and women are just "tools" to accomplish their goal of getting rich off the spoils of war.
It's an election year, Jack. It's called spin...but no matter how much lipstick you put on a pig, it's still a pig. It all adds up to hogwash at the end of the day.
This rant makes it sound like Obama started the war. What?
No one likes to admit they were wrong. Look how long it took for the United States to come to grips with its anti-communist policy in SE Asia. Or has it even done that? As long as there are still chips on the table the US government isn't going to tip its hand.
Why were we there: Oil, Iran, to line the pockets of the military contractors, and to protect Saudi Arabia (more oil).
Why does the government spin this invasion: The politics of reelection.
We live in a militaristic country where we idolize the military, spend 20% of our budget on all things military, have hundreds of installations around the world and invade whatever country we deem appropriate. There is nothing better for a military contractor than an nice long term war. At the same time the right wingers want to cut social security, medicare, and other social programs, and ignore our infrastructure needs in the name of fiscal prudence. Just think of what we could have accomplished with the trillions of dollars wasted in wars.
Rob Rocklin, Denver, Colorado.
Come on Jack, you're old enough – after all these years – to know the government rarely tells anyone the truth about anything. The truth simply reveals our abominable decision-making process, and far more importantly, costs votes. Cynical? Perhaps. Likely? I think we (most) all know the answer to that.
I'd imagine the answer right now is because they don't want to admit to the troops that the ones who fought were fighting for nothing and the ones who died, died for nothing. Especially around the holidays. "Hey, you know that war your dad died in? Totally pointless!" We all know it (except for John McCain) apparently. But right now let's just get who is there out and go from there. Plenty of time to kick ourselves over this stupid, pointless mistake.
After all the lost lives it would be political suicide to speak the truth: We screwed up, we are sorry.
That's about the most basic way to put it.
I never believed that Saddam Hussein had any "weapons of mass destruction" which he could unlease on us in 45 minutes. What a crock. There were many, many reasons why that despot would not be interested in killing a few thousand Americans and then get blasted off the face of the Earth (which, by the way, he did anyway.) He was not a religious fanatic like bin Laden, (in fact he was a secular figure in the Middle-East), he had about a dozen gold covered palaces, untold amounts of money (billions I guess), etc, etc. and he ruled like a thug with an iron hand over his country. How could any clear-thinking person believe that he was a threat to us?? Give me a break, that whole Iraq war was just a trumped up deal with the Bush Administration and the military industrial complex. Saddam had no air force, no ground forces of any significance, no rockets (a few scuds I believe), no naval forces, no nothing. What a sitting duck.
Jack, I was in the Army for four years. That was in the Cold War. We read all these signs that say: Support our troops. Well, we should support our troops and get them the hell out of these stupid wars. All they are are cannon fodder. Most of them will be maimed mentally and physically for the rest of their lives and in two years we will forget them. Just like the Vietnam vets. Go to a VA hospital and you will see what I mean. Best of luck.
Jack, our government won’t tell us anything about Iraq because the true Washington power brokers such as Halliburton (big business) will not allow the truth to be told. Iraq was (is) a war of convenience for the purpose of transferring TAX dollars to big business—human life and sacrifice was never a consideration. The only shock-an-awe over the Iraq war is that the government and big business got away with it and we the people pay dearly for it.
I'm getting real tired of people in the media with a factual disagreement calling the other side a liar. People can disagree on the facts without lying. Speaking of facts, there are a few whoppers in this article.
"What we did was invade a country that had done nothing to us, killed hundreds of thousands of their people as well as thousands of our own, bankrupted the Treasury in the process – all in the search for weapons of mass destruction that a cynic might suggest we knew didn't exist in the first place"
What we did was invade a country that had invaded Kuwait, interfering with our vital supply of oil and threatening our national security. We also removed a dictator with a nuclear weapons program that was sheltering Al Queda. We didn't kill hundreds of thousands of their people, the insurgents did. The entire military budget is less than either Social Security or Medicare. Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, other Democratic leaders, and other world governments all believed Hussein had WMD. So they all must be lying.
One of the expressed rationales for the war in Iraq was to create a "beachhead of democracy" that would allow democracy to take root in the middle east and spread to other Arab countries, an Arab Spring if you will.
Finally, we are not getting kicked out of Iraq but are complying with status of forces agreement negotiated and signed by Bush. Obama can take all the credit he wants, but he is basically following Bush's policy. The only problem is, the agreement was meant to be renegotiated and Obama has dropped the ball. Hopefully Obama won't snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
We're all in denial about this, Jack. No oil, no WMD, no greater purpose. Therefore, we will blame W for getting us into it and take the "W" cause it makes us feel a little less used. At the end of the day, we got us into this, we elected the politicians who kept us in this, and we paid a trillion dollars we did not have. If that's not something to be in denial about, then you must believe that denial is simply the longest river in Africa.
Jack, I don't know what more you'd like to know about the war, since you laid it all out perfectly in your blog. We invaded during the depths of our 9/11 hysteria, and politics has determined our stance on it ever since. Whole story.
Our government never really tells us the truth about anything, unless we somehow drag it out of them kicking and screaming. Get used to it.
it was a lie from the start & now we're in a huge global financial mess. What motive is there to tell the truth now?
Jack, you're never happy about anything. You didn't like being in the Iraq war and you don't like how we got out of it. People like you can never be satisfied. What would you have us do? Tear down all the buildings and abandon Iraq completely and forever? Well, we can't. We can no more abandon Iraq then we could Germany at the end of WWII. Take a pill and get over yourself just once will you?
Thank God we are getting out! Greoge Buah was wrong declaring war on Irauq. I think sometimes what did we wining and wha wet lost, was 4500 US soldiers they lost for nothing. I very was lucky to come back alive from Viet Nam in 1966, another BS war with becuase of President Johnson wanted to escalate the war it was all BS, what can you tell the parents of those dead US military, the turth they are dead becuase of Greoge Bush wanted to go to war!
They were not looking for oil, there is plenty of that all over the world. It was all about Defense Contracting and Haliburton – can"t make money without a war. This should be painfully obvious to everyone, but we are too proud, or afraid, to admit that there are entities within the government who make all the calls. It is not about conspiracy – it is about opening our eyes to a reality based on all the facts. When will American people say "enough"?
Because America can not handle the truth about our government?
What I don't get, is why you're laying all this at the feet of Obama! I personally do feel like celebrating. For the families who will be getting their soliders back. Good for Obama to lead the parade.
Why did you not mention our dear President GW. And I don't mean George Washington. He planned this fiasco and it all happened on his watch. If I remember correctly, Obama voted against it, as a congressman. I feel it's one of the worst decisions made by a president in the history of our country. Sounds like you agree, but put the blame where it belongs.
Unfortunately there is a segment of the US population that believes this type of conversation is off limits because it is somehow disrespectful to those that gave their lives in this debacle. After all, no one wants to be told that their loved one died in a senseless war. President Obama understands this, and since he will need every vote he can get in November, any "honest conversations" on the subject will be back-burnered until 2013 at the earliest.
Why after all these years can't our government bring itself to tell us the truth about Iraq?
Coz, POTUS in good faith decided not to pursue war crimes investigations etc against our previous administration including vice president and president. Any truth about this war that is publicly discussed will be too incriminating for Cheney-Bush regime.
Jack, get off your high horse. A good deal of what you say is obviously true, but thousand of our soldiers died there fighting for their country and the right thing to do is exactly what Obama is doing: bring them home and honor the soldiers who fought so bravely.
Because the previous administration couldn't tell us without admitting to war crimes and the current administration can't tell us without being obligated to prosecute George Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. Ever read Catch 22?
It never did and it never will. The US invaded Iraq to kill Saddam because of his threat to kill Bush 41. To even the score for Bush 43. It makes no sense whatsoever. Why didn't Bush make them sign agreements giving the US access to the oil? George W Bush should be tried for War Crimes.
I wouldn't consider 17,000 people in a country of that size an occupying force of the type that were in Germany, Japan, and Korea. But hey, you guys all said this was another Vietnam, so I can't expect to get the truth out you either, right?
To put the question another way: Why after all these years can't our government bring it's to tell us the truth about ANYTHING? At almost 70 years of age I am tired of getting the "Mushroom treatment" on nearly every government response to nearly every issue.
What's there to know? Congress is a joke. We went in the 2nd time on the mistaken assumption of weapons of mass destruction. We are still there many years later. The US is not doing well economically and needs to cut loses. If they want us out, all the more reason.
The government doesn't tell us the truth about anything, why should they change their modes-operand on this particular subject. They lied to us to get into the war, they lied to us to continue the war, how could they possibly tell the truth now.
We don't have a lack of leadership in this country; what we have are leaders who are lacking in morality, honor, and courage. They think apologizing shows weakness when just the opposite is true. Our troops serve with honor, morality and courage. Our Congress and the President's Administration could learn a lot from them if only our elected representatives would listen. Semper fi.
Jack, I'd say it's for the same reasons we cannot get the truth about anything these days. Transparency is dead when you live under a government that is by the banks and corporations for the banks and corporations. And truth be told, if we were exposed to what really happened, there would be a lot of reasons to accuse the higher ups of war crimes and treason. That's my guess based on the past 10 years of these folks chiseling away at the Constitution.
Because to be honest at all would require us to first admit that the real reason for our invading Iraq was nothing more
than George W. Bush having a wild hair.......about Sadam Hussein. W. was the emotional force. Dick Cheney was the driving war monger/imperialist force. Never in our country's history has even just our involvement in any war been so baseless and we'll be paying for it, at least financially for year and years to come.
Why can't our media report the truth on Iraq? We toppled a murdering dictator, rejuvenated their economy, gave power back to their people, and then left voluntarily. These unprecedented accomplishments are best judged in peer reviewed history books- not media blogs.
I think the answer is as simple as it is often-used. We don't want to dishonor the soldiers who have died there. As much as I understand why we always do that, I believe it does little to help us avoid stupid wars in the future. If the men and women of our military are brave enough to give their lives for this country (and they clearly are), then they are brave enough to be told "I'm sorry, but it was all a terrible mistake".
Were President Obama to dare to tell us the truth, the Republicans, who started the war, would pounce like an angry tiger. All you hear for the next year would be, see he really does hate America.
People are more concerned about their political careers than facing the truth. That goes across the board, Republicans and Democrats alike. Plus, think on this: Do you really believe Americans want to know the truth? Have we ever?
Jack, right on. Never should have gone in the first place. We should bring EVERYONE home now, including the 17000 money wasters. Sell the building to Iraq, and get out of there. Obama needs to say "Bush was wrong to start this, and I was wrong to continue it. We are sorry. Goodbye."
Cmon Jack, I expected better from you. How can one administration explain what the other did? Everybody is so quick to forget Obama caught and killed Osama. That was the only legitimate business we had there. Oh it would have happened anyway. Poppycock!. Obama did in 2 years what the Bush administration could not do in 8. But we wont talk about that.
We should naver have been there in the first place and we need tofinish the job in Afganistan.Use our B-52's,find every little hole in th mountains and blow it apart,then get our butts out of there.Give them no warning just like they give us.Plus we need to shut off all foreign aid to all countries who hate us and take care of our own people first.Go USA.Jim Thomas Phx.Az.
Along with so many other American treasures, I'm afraid you are part of a dying breed Jack. People who are clear and straight while speaking truth to power will soon be a thing of the past I'm afraid. I keep hoping that one day I will hear an honest explanation of why we went in to Iraq that actually makes sense. Like we went it to empower the Shiite government in Iran as a political counter-balance to the hate-mongering Sunni clergy that runs Saudi Arabia and funds the hate-camps in Pakistan. But, like you, I am close to giving up. Welcome to the new America, home of the liar, land of the (neo)con artist.
we already know the real truth... we were lied to... We just can't bring ourselves to acknowledge it and hold to account the treasonous perpetrators of this war crimes lie..Bush/Cheney et.al... You see, by definition, our leaders can't be war criminals, only leaders of other countries, didn't you know that?
Jack, you can't handle the truth!
Colonel Wilkerson, chief of staff for Secretary of State under Bush explains why republicans are against troops coming home:
WILKERSON: The only way I can explain it is their hatred of President Obama...
They want to defeat this man. They want to bring this man out of the White House. They want to embarrass this man. They want to put this man through every kind of turmoil...
So, they will take almost any stand even... even if it is not in the interest of this country.
Because the truth doesn't get you reelected. Even though it's not Obama's fault, if he doesn't paint this as a victory the Republicans will paint it as a failure by him. – NY
It's in the interest of national security. Ever heard that before? Ever wonder why people have lost faith in their government? Please re-read the first two sentences!
We should ask Bush where those pesky WMDs are supposed to be. Meanwhile we have certain GOP presidential candidates now openly asking for war against Iran. As if they hadn't had their fill of bloodshed with Iraq!
This war, as with ALL wars, was nothing more than a waste of human life. The way they've tried to turn it into some noble endeavor sickens me. The main question that should be asked is: are the Iraqi people better or worse off than they were under Saddam? Ask the hundreds of thousands killed and the millions STILL without electricity.
What do you think is being hidden? Everything you state here is known and been reported on. You should try reading the CNN site, it’s pretty good at reporting all this.
– The date of us leaving was decided by the previous administration. In negotiations to stay longer we’d have had to allow our people to be tried in Iraq courts.
– The celebratory tone is partly out of respect for those who served and the families of those that died. Would you rather the President come out and state, “We are leaving and this was all for nothing…”
– Yes we spent a lot of money there. We keep doing that no matter who we invade. Running a war like the Romans used to do (just kill them all and burn everything) seems to be frowned on in current times.
– Will we keep our hands in? Of course. We’re the US, but hopefully it’ll be more backroom and a bit cheaper than what we are currently doing.
I for one am glad we are leaving. Waste of lives and money…
After all of the crimes against humanity that the U.S. committed during and after the invasion, Washington does not dare release the classified information about our actions in Iraq because many of our Elected Officials would be facing "War Crime Trials."
To begin with, the 9/11 terrorists were from the United Arab Emirates & Saudi Arabia and many questioned why Bush was invading Iraq & Afghanistan. Next were the torcher chambers in Abu Ghraib and GITMO.
Now, Washington is passing legislation to hold "SUSPECTED TERRORISTS" indefinitely without charging them. They will use the suspects as a legal reason to drop bombs on countries.
Washington continues to break every law in the book and then use their political clout to cover up the crimes.
What is next? How are the Congressional Insider Trader hearings doing? Next Spring? Maybe they will forget about it by then!
Ron Paul speaks the truth every day about Iraq and the war on terror, but the media doesn't give him the time of day.
Iran says: Ty for the country (Saddam hated us but you removed him for us now we are in control), the infrastructure, the oil and making us laugh so hard at your middle eastern strategy.
The reason why the govt wont tell the truth about Iraq is :
BECAUSE IT IS SO INCREDIBLY EMBARASSING!!!!!!!!!
Jack, you are so far to the left that you can't see the truth of the middle east consequences of Pres "O's" cut and run policy directly ahead of you.
....will we ever know who became filthy rich from this war? Trillions were spent, and we have hungy kids right here in the USA.
Because this administration does not have the guts to put up with the howls of protest that would come from the GOP and it's radio and tv supporters if they ever said such a thing. This is a Filmore administration during a time when the country desperately needs a Truman.
They can't tell us the truth about Iraq because the entire war was a lie as you stated well in the article. History will judge this "war" as an utter farce
the truth according to who? Saddam is gone, and that's good. We are handing Iraq over to Iran, and that's baaaad! The Iraqis have demonstrated that so far they can handle security...good. Too many factions...bad. Bush is gone...good. Cheney too...better yet.
In the words of Jack Nicholson in one of his movies (the title escapes me), Mushroom Jack “you can’t handle the truth!” What truth are you looking for? Still looking for those WMDs? My friend in the CIA says they’re in Iowa!! The Presidents efforts were to exit at some logical point and no matter when or how it was going to be anticlimactic. His efforts were window dressing to bring some sort of dignified closure to what most of use agree was an unjustifiable war exercise. Is that any different than Vietnam? Remember Nixon’s “Peace with Honor!”
Durham, NC. Iraq has oil and they threatened Israel. To coin a phrase, the US middle east policy can be described with the term "Israoil". Along with Israoil, the US military industrial complex needs a good sized influx of cash and a way to purge their old stock every 10 years or so. When their interests align with those of big oil, so much the better.
Simply because the truth is ugly! This is a gov,t that continues the awful tradition of the cheney administration to lie to & deceive the american public. The Iraq occupation was all about money, nothing else! It was about the "robber Barons" grabbing what they could without any regard for Americans & what would be left behind. If Obama was honest we would have ended that mess years ago. And, we have held accountable; Bush, cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz & all the other criminals responsible. Inaction on Obama,s part tells me he made a deal w/ those really in power & he gets what he wants in return. This is disgusting on every level & Americans continue to lose.
Are you really implying that the US Military Killed Hundreds of thousands of Iraq's?? I didn't know it was the US military that strapped bombs to themselves and blew themselves up in crowds of innocent people...
Is it possible that it is in fact an ongoing operation-as you more or less imply and that 'telling us the truth about it' would simply provide the enemy with valuable intelligence and thereby empower them to kill Americans and/or stifle our efforts?
Because if the government told us the truth, there would be riots in the streets and a take down of our government. Not unlike the take down of several governments in the mid east once the truths came out.
Jack; Are you kidding me, they can't take away the lying talking points of Graham, Mccann and the other war mongoers and besides President Bush is living a low key life and Cheney well ,he have a artifical heart , if he go to jail , they may consider that worst than water boarding, I mean torture.
Obama has spun this as keeping his campaign promise. When in reality he had no intention of keeping such a promise. Lets just hope civil war doesn't break out or worse yet the Iranians don't get the idea to invade Iraq. Cause it'd be a really hard sell to get U.S. troops back there if they were needed.
I read news articles to... well, ya know... read news. This isn't news. I'm angry about the Iraq War too but I don't write articles about it where I just ask questions. I (the reader) should ask questions and you (the author) should answer questions. It seems so simple.
You're right on many of your points – I was in Iraq for 3 1/2 years('04-'08) and as far as us building bases for the full intenet of statying there just like Osan AB in Korea and the many bases in Germany. The largest and most modern base being one that we just turned over last week to Iraq – Camp Victory. I lived there for 2 of the 3 1/2 years, the rest was inside the wire in the IZ. Tthere are numerous 2,000 person cafeteria's (DFAC"S, Chow Halls), dozens of laundry facilities, movies theaters, grocery stores (BX's), water filtration plants, mini power plants, paved roads, streets. At itr's height it was just like a U.S. city of 60,000. And it's their's now. Towards the end ('08-'09) there were several bases referred to and maintained as (enduring bases) – meaning we would be there for 20-40 years and we built them with that intent and MONEY!!!
Your right Jack the American people are lemmings eating up the hype and hoopla nobody demands accountability anymore they forget the past Bush Cheny and Powell who was duped into telling us there were these rerrible WMDs which never turned up those mobile labs that didnt exsist so many thousands good young American men killed and tens of thousands maimed and disfigured for what ? what was the prize we brought home Mr President In the words of Ronald Regan I ask "Are you better of today than you were four (12) years ago ?)"
Because to tell the truth would be to admit that several thousand of our solders died under a pretense of a lie.
"Well, Desert Storm was a war, fourght and won, but this last conflict was a search warrent, for something that wasn't found and then grew into a mushroom of a different kind. This conflict will go on, and on, and on! It's not over, until it's over!"
I mean, I can't even give an opinion on your opinion because you don't have one. Ugh... I'm so done with this.
They never told us the truth from the start so I guess they see no reason to change their policy. We squabble here about our humongous deficit and budget which could all be corrected if we would get out of all the countries we occupy. You only have to look to the crusades to know that nothing will change from our occupation in the Middle East. We can't protect our own country by occupying theirs.
The truth is there. Sorry if you can't see it. If the Governemt says what you want they say, next they it collapse. Everything in the name of Corporations, Contractors, Big Oil and the Military Industrial Complex (non mentioning Re-election "donations" and Think Tanks Lobbyism )
Telling the truth would lead to low opinions of our government, oh wait a minute, good question Jack. Has congress ever thought that airing some of their dirty laundry and acting like they actually cared what we thought, might start to turn some of those rating around.
Food for thought, what would happen if the U.S. closed the hundreds of military bases around the world and used the enormous amout of cheap labor, that would already be on the payroll. to start rebuilding our infrastructure instead of destroying other countries.
Dave from Peterborough, NH.
Obama said he would end the war and he did. The only Americans not happy about that are the Republican hawks who never saw a war they want to end. They claim the Iraqi's aren't ready to govern themselves yet. Are you kidding me? If the U.S. were occupied by another country right now, do you think they would look at OUR congress and say we are ready to govern ourselves? I doubt it.
The reason the US will not tell the truth about our "invasion" and "occupation" of Iraq is because most people don't want the truth, nor could they accept it. I guess it is like my wife says when I am on my soapbox complaining about the government lies and cover-ups that plunged us head first into Iraq and Afghanistan, "Why do you get so mad about it when you know there is nothing you can do about it." Too many people in our country are willing to swallow any piece of media trash that is thrown our way as long as it makes them feel comfortable when they salute the stars and stripes.
The government will NEVER openly tell the truth in Iraq for several reasons. 1> Admitting any mea cupla would subject President Bush and his government to possible indictment by the International Court. 2> Someone would figure out how to bring a criminal and/or class action suit in the US Courts costing time, embarrassment and money to the current and former President. 3> There are actually people who believe (i.e. Cheney and Rummy) that the US did absolutely nothing wrong. They believe the US needed to invade Iraq to "save" the Iraqi people from their own government AND prevent Saddam from terrorizing the world. So, why would the US say "whoops?"
You and 80% American supported that war because Bush lied about WMD (and even if WMD founded it who care).
Now at least Obama is tring to end this, and you are not happy. What do you want?
Never invade a country, no one like invader ( Bush present case as liberator, but most of the people of that country and around the world think us as invader).
Majority of Iraq has the same religon (Islam) and same sect , Shia, that's why they close to each other.
Never, Never try to lieberate a muslim country with invasion, let them fight and decide themself.
What truth do you want that you don't already know. It was a mistake to invade. Everyone already knows that. We're pulling out because it's just too expensive to stay in for the limited reward we could get by staying. The government doesn't have to tell us things we already know.
Politicians who speak truth to their people usually don't get re-elected. Alex" Sonny" Chapman, Ville Platte,La.
Sorry Jack, I know you're looking for condemnation of government vanity, but that's just part of it. An equally important part of the equation is to avoid wrecking military morale through implication that soldiers' actions were in vain, or that nothing at all was accomplished. For just this once I wish we could overcome the urge to say something snide about politicians and just let this homecoming be about honoring the men and women who have sacrificed so much.
The truth hurts, Jack. We've managed to replace Sadaam with a potentially far worse dictator in al-Maliki, whose Shite connections to Iran no longer provide a buffer to Iran's own plans for the area. This President, not unlike his predecessor, is naive beyond belief.... just tell them what they want to hear and they'll fund it. Rediculous doesn't even begin to desribe our folley in Iraq.
Does anyone expect the government to tell us the truth. The truth has never been a forte of ANY government. In the film "Hunt for Red October" one character stated "I'm a politician, which means I'm a liar and a cheat". How so true.
I don't think the government can tell us what they do not know. The "first casuality of war is the truth" still applies. And the first casuality of peace is to make it seem better than it was. Our government is so big that rarely does one agency know what the other is doing.
Why not tell the truth about Iraq? Doing so wouldn't be consistent with suppressing the truth, would it? I'm reminded of Galileo and the Vatican, which did not want the story to get out that the Earth orbits the Sun, rather than the other way round, for fear that any crack in the edifice of dogma would lead to more question and more cracks. National security is our dogma. America only acts out of real goodness, and even if, in the rare case we do something bad, well, we did it for the right reasons. It can't be said, in public, that we invaded, under false pretense, to tighten our hegemonic control over middle eastern oil. The only public figure who might actually say that is Ron Paul.
Don't know how you can say it is an "occupation" when we will no longer have military bases & troops such as exist in the countries you mention. That embassy compound contains apts. for all the Americans serving in Iraq & is understandably huge for that reason. Don't think there's anything a contingent of Marine guards is going to do if the country is invaded by Iran.
The truth? We can't handle the truth ...
Because if the truth were to come out, it would mean we have to face up to the fact that Bush and Cheney should be put on trial for treason, and then offered up to the World Court to face charges of crimes against humanity. The money and power in Washington would NEVER allow that embarrassment to happen. Perhaps, long after the Duo of Evil are long dead and beyond prosecution, the truth will come out. Until then, don't hold your breath.
It's the takeover of another nation for its resources. There are other reasons too, such control over the region and Israeli interests. There is nothing legal or moral about it. By grabbing these resources, the American dream might go on a little longer. And by not telling the truth about it, the government allows the public (including us Canadians) to live that dream a little longer with a clear conscience... after all, "we didn't know, we weren't told", right?
Actually, Jack should rename this post, "Why won't the government tell me what I want to hear?" The truth is that we invaded Iraq because it was a known supporter of terrorism that was known to have possessed and used, and not to have accounted for, WMD.
Hi Jack – We never get the truth on anything the government does. If we knew everything this government gets up to, it would make us sick!!
I think we all know the truth at this point Jack – at least anyone who wants to know does. Obama is celebrating the end because it means the return of thousands of men and women. The better question, Jack, is why you didn't ask this question 8 years ago.
Cafferty, you are a liberal idiot and you once again, proudly display it with your article..... your lack of understanding of simple facts is astounding.
Jack – the underlying reason is that most Americans can't handle the truth. What they want is the sugar coated patriotic America can do no evil answer – which is what the government has chosen to provide. With the extreme cost of the war (s) in Iraq over 10 years, nobody really wants to hear the truth. The oficial story will go down from the government as – we freed an innocent persecuted enslaved people and replaced it with freedom and democracy and the American way which is always right and just and true. That makes it all worthwhile – oh, and we killed terrorists who were constantly plotting to take out major metropolitan cities in the continental USA every moment of their lives so our soldiers were directly keeping our country safe 24/7 by being there....
What truth... there is no truth to Iraq. It was a dishonest war from the start. Wrong country with borrowed money(CHINA) both done by a careless government and nearly 4,000 died and brought home in the night hoping no one would be reminded. This is my opinion and the last war of honour was World War two. You know War bonds, flags and stars in windows etc.
And why pray tell...are you blaming President Obama, he won the election on his bring home are soldiers...Ask Bush and Cheney and blame them, if you want honesty.
We know the plan to invade Irag was in the planning stage long before 9/11. The Bush/Cheney Oil and Arms gang were
just waiting for an opening. Now we will find how the world reacts to the evidence as it unravels. We murdered and destroyed
the lives of Millions. Lets see how many will be brought to Justice. The Gang is Huge!
we will soon find out how
It's political. Obama wants to leave Iraq with us feeling good about ourselves so that he was good feelings come election time.
Why can't the goverment tell the truth about going into Iraq? Because if it told the truth we would have a former Vice President and President held as war criminals. Thats why. And by the way.. it wasn't a total loss... Haliburton made billions off of no bid contracts, and will continue to make billions servicing the billion dollar contracts that Shell, ExxonMobile, and Chevron signed with the Iraq Goverment. Still wondering why we went into Iraq?
They will never tell the real "truth" and that's a policy of the USA... The " truth" damages our "national security" ...of course these are all company lines just like America lecturing governments on the rights of a legitimate government. It's all a big JOKE, and we let them do it.
You surely know this already. When powerful people are dishonest about why they are causing other people to suffer, it always means their motive is money.
It is real simple why our government can't, won't and will never tell the truth about Iraq (or anything else). Most of those who are elected are lawyers by trade and that makes them inherently unethical. This is why 91% of the populace HATES our elected officials, the other 9 % represent lobbyists, family and friends of these so-called legislators. Our system is broken and is a rigged game, throwing them out just ushers in a new bag of venomous snakes. Voting gets a person only one thing: jury duty.
When do we ever get the truth when it comes to politics?
If our troops were ever told the truth there would be mass desertions and then lawsuits from the families of those who were killed or wounded. Heck, most people can't even remember it was all about WMD and connections to al-qaeda, none of which was true.
Tim in Des Moines, Ia.
Because how would anyone be able to look the troops in the eye after this. The media didn't investigate Bush's evidence, we had all kinds of 'patriotic' crap about being pro-war, and the truth is either the Bush administration was lying or just completely wrong. Neither of those looks good.
The government thinks we can't handle the truth. In reality, the government can't handle the fact that we've long known the truth and are still waiting for an official apology – preferably from the last administration that got us into this mess. Fat chance! You know Bush and Cheney are never going to own up to their mistakes, and if Obama was going to try and make them he would have done so already instead of following the pattern of letting presidential criminal activity fade into the history books. So . . . on with the spin-doctoring and hope like hell the American people buy it!
Jack, Our government has'nt told us the truth since Moby Dick was a minnow. It's all same same. It don't mean a thing. Get the circa I'm comeing from...
That's easy: there are a number of nutjobs that still think our president should not be held accountable for anything they do overseas, if we did, we should be able to bring a couple of them to face people in court (from Lindon Johnson and his rationale to invade Dominincan Republic, Nixon on Vietnan to our dear friend Mr. G. Bush )
Because politically no wants wants to admit what a total lie this war was and what was lost in the USA in terms of money, lifes and capital.
If one party admited the lie the other would get blasted by the other
In the end they're trying to save face. What else could the President do? Could you imagine if he said, "We're finally getting out of the biggest mistake in this nations history?" What do you think the response to that would be?
The Romans occupied distant lands and civilized the ancient world, and taxed. Our government cannot bring itself to truthfully say to taxpayers, "you paid for this and continue to do so." Why didn’t the Green Zone encircle a couple of rich oil fields adjacent a bustling port? Here's another truth: we’d feel a lot better about the outcome of the War in Iraq if we’d been paid for all of our good intentions rather than crippled by the debt of them.
The government can not tell the truth about Iraq, because the truth hurts and makes leaders look bad. Families of soldiers who will never return from the Iraqi war do not want to hear that they lost their loved ones due to an unjust war, and that the soldiers were invaders sent by our leaders for ulterior motives.
The answer is simple. It's the upcoming Presidential Election. Period!
Hail to the Chief sounds a lot better than telling the American people that we are coming home with our head between our tail. Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki is rapidly silencing the Sunni democratically elected officials and is consolidating power as an Autocracy not a Democracy. But that is not the worst of it. As a muslim Shia, he and the most powerful Shia clerics are in lock step with Iran. We have been had, several years ago and we kept plugging away. Iran will fill the power vacuum in Iraq.
This reminds me how Afghanistan President, Hamid Karzai, is also playing us as the fool and Iran will also fill the vacuum there. This is not going to set well with voters this coming November. The President's theme, I brought the troops home from "the George Bush wars" does not ring at all with the electorate.
Bush and his crew should have thought a little longer about how to proceed on this intervention in Iraq. Certainly, after he found no weapons of mass distruction, he should have abruptly left the country. Instead he changed his tune. "Now were gonna give these folks democracy." What a joke(an expensive one at that) on the American people.
"Also, Jack, you must be glad it happened? Yes thousands died, but thats what happens to guys in any armed forces.
Sounds like I don't care?? Governments use their military for control of other nations when/where commerce can't.
Your letting thousands die in the horn of Somalia?? Why?? This planet is dangedrous!"
Our government can't bring itself to tell the truth about anything. The good thing is that the public is getting smarter, they know the government is full of it.
The way I see it, we have 2 big problems in government. Greed and Long term Limits for some positions. Impose mandatory term limits for people sitting in a governmental office for more than 4 years. Stagger it with the presidential election and force people out.
If they told us the truth, no Republican could ever be eleceted to office in thes country again, so it's never gonna happen. We're just lucky that Dick Cheney assured us the Iraqi oil would pay for the whole thing – Otherwise, we could have wasted lots of money there to go along with the 4500 lives we lost
Left or right we know the US government has lied and continues to lie about Iraq. It was a lie that got us in, the lies kept on coming and now we are begin lied to on the way out. So people say that we have no option and we have to make the "success" of Iraq known to validate the cost in lives and money. I disagree. If we tell the truth now about the lies that got us in, kept us in and what is really the mess that is being left behind then we can avoid these mistakes in the future. Of course since this is a problem for our controlling political parties we will never hear the truth and the history books in school will validate the lies. The lies will become truth and soon this will be just like the rest of the glammed up lies that all our kids are taught.
Because the government doesn't need to be honest with us, Mr. Cafferty. What's their motivation? Panetta and Obama will paint it rosy because they can, so as not to make any new enemies in the military or stateside. What are Americans going to do about it? Absolutely nothing.
Possibly it is because if the truth was told now, the Republicans would seek to blame President Obama for it. Remember the Jack Nicholson quote – "You can't handle the truth." Well, neither can the GOP or, probably, most Americans. Thank you for reminding us of it.
why start now. we go to war and then rebuild what we destoryed. next time go to war defeat the armys and leave.
Jack – You want the best and the most educated answer to That Question ?? ASK "the Donald" he'll tell ya. Go back & review the clip when Wolf Blitzer interviewed him. He had the answer to that question. He says the same things You say in your paragraphs. They should have NEVER went in there, period. "Dubya" was tryin to finish his daddy's dirty work. and what he started. Now, we will have to constantly protect Iraq, because of Iran, in addition to the fact that if Saddam was still in Charge, there would NEVER be any Terrorists in Iraq. Saddam would have taken care of ANY Terrorists. But -what do we know, we're just a bunch of dummies. ( ask Trump) he'll tell ya.
Same reason the government doesn't today about everything else – especially Afghanistan. I had to laugh at the Sec of Defense lauding this as a turning point in the war. This is the same 'fertilizer' we have been fed for years. I'm just as sick of it as you are, and the American people.
You make it sound like Iraq is an isolated incident that we are not being told the truth about.
How about "Fast and furious", how about Obamacare, how about Solyndra? Republicans
or Democrats do the same to "we the people'.....treat us like mushrooms. Keep us in the dark
and feed us.....you know the rest of the line! That's why we Americans are fed up!
The lie is too big. The truth is that we knew Iraq had no weapons, we knew they had nothing to do with 9/11, and we planned to take their oil and please Israel. It was never a noble war, and was built on lies from beginning to end.
The best thing to do is declare victory and go home, which President Obama at least had the vision to see.
I have always been a vocal critic of the policies that led us into the war in Iraq but celebrating the return of our soldiers is extremely important. Obama isn't the president that sent us into that war so I do not believe that he needs to explain the intentions of the prior administration. He promised us that he would withdrawal the troops and he made good on his promise. I also do not believe that the celebration is touting America's success in that region but more importantly it underlines the appreciation we have of the unbelievable sacrifice our soldiers gave when deployed there. It would be irresponsible and disgusting to handle it any other way.
When does the governnment ever tell us the truth?
The biggest reason as to why the truth about Iraq is not talked about more openly, is because the war involved good soldiers following bad orders. The average American knows that the war was created by powerful Washingtgon insiders who gave us faulty and or trumped up evidence. But we are reluctant, and rightfully so, to sully the honor of those men and women who answered the call of duty. Their contribution of honor and patriotism was so great, that it will cover even the most sad truth of this ill-conceived conflict. For the present time, let us honor those who deserve it most, because asking for the truth will involve talking to those who gave the orders. And they are best left in the dustbin of history.
You got it wrong Jack, the war ended on May 1 2003 as announced by George Bush from the flight deck of the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln. We've been occupying since and now we're reducing the number of "occupiers" too 17,000. Soon we'll do the same in Afghanistan but no oil. Maybe to keep an eye on bordering Pakistan and it's nukes?
Jack, not even President Obama is going to admit that this country spent billions of dollars and sacrificed thousands of American service men and women on fighting the Bush family's war with Saddam Hussein. Any thinking person knows this to be true, but knowing it and admitting it are two different things.
hundreds of thousands killed but for some reason, not one of the bush thugs will serve a day in prison.
because Greed,lying ,stealing and corruption are the Law of the Land and the TRUTH IS A CRIME
by the way do you really believe the single bullet theory huh ??????????
I spent four years in Iraq – from 2003 until 2007 – as both a DoD and DoS direct hire civilian federal employee with responsibility for overseeing large areas of Iraq and billions of dollars in reconstruction activities.
My takeaway: the US experience in Iraq has been a complete waste of time, American lives, and US taxpayer money. And anyone who thinks differently has either never been to Iraq, or fails IQ tests. Our government can spin the US military exit all it wants, but history will be the final judge. And like Vietnam, one day your audience will look back and understand what any number of Americans who served in Iraq already know.
SAme reason we never had the truth about viet nam,or the 2 kennedy and king assasinations,we've just seemed to give up finding out the truth in this country and settle for the lies and hogwash we receive from the lying presidents,administrations and our cowardly elected represenatives.I Love this great nation,yet hate the government.Vote them all out!
The answer is oil. This isn't a big secret – not even to the Iraq veterans. What is a big secret is who is getting away with it, and how?
Remember Watergate? It was investigative journalism that uncovered that scandal – where is the investigative journalism now? I would like to know who was given ownership of the Iraq oil, and how much money they have given to which politicians. But, it seems the journalists are just as easily corrupted and biased as the politicians these days.
Jack, the only thing I even slightly disagree with you about is that your statement about ' all in the search for weapons of mass destruction that a cynic might suggest we knew didn't exist in the first place' is too soft. The fact is, anyone who does any in-depth reading of the true story of Iraq rapidly finds out that the government did know that there weren't any weapons of mass-destruction, there were plans in place to begin a war with Iraq long before 9-11, there was never a connection found between Saddam Hussein and the 9-11 'terrorists', and that those terrorists were Saudis.
Because the government rarely tells the truth when it can spin the story for political gain. Remember the "Mission Accomplished" banner? Maybe the current President can pull it out of the mothballs.
I don't think it matters whether we are told the truth. Conspiracy theorists will find a way to distort and twist it so that it becomes a completely different story. The truth came out that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, yet what per centage still believe that it was connected to Saddam Hussein? You might believe the truth, I might believe it, but too many are still too close minded to believe the truth.
Why??? Just listen to the GOP. The US was created by "god." The US is perfect and the "liberals" are trying to make the US less than perfect by doing things just like Jack is advocating ... telling the truth. We can't tell the truth or the GOTeaP will be up in arms about how it's just liberal lies. We can't as a country start to look at all the truth that is left out of not just the Iraq story but every story in our history books back to the founding of the US. God gave this to us, said Bachman. And if this is true, and god is perfect, then Iraq must also be perfect. The US can't look critically at itself.
Why, Mr Cafferty, didn't you ask that many years ago
They've built so many lies, on top of lies about Iraq that there's simply no turning back at this point. The whole thing was a giant waste of lives, and taxpayers money.
Don't know if you'll print this one or not – but in my opinion, WE ( the U.S.) should Receive 15 Trillion Dollars Worth of OIL from them, starting ASAP. as a Payment, for the last 9 .5 yrs. put the price on the Oil we receive, should be about 50 bucks a Barrel. Jack – this should be our "Tab" keep getting Oil from them, until our "tab" reaches 15 Trillion. ( but that will never happen, Obama doesn't have enough experience, Just like Hillary said)
Because we can't handle the truth.
Thanks, Jack, for telling it like it is. We all support the troops, but we don't support a national self-delusion that claims the Iraq War was anything other than what it was: a self-indulgent money-grab by a narrow segment of military contractors and their benefactors.
Finally a man who speaks the truth.
It's all politics, Jack. I bet Obama feels that if he doesn't herald Iraq as a success, then the GOP will blast him for "hating" the military.
Obama is just cleaning up the mess left by bush. Why must he say anything but the troops are coming home. You want the truth Jack? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH, if you haven't figured it out by now. The GOP are screaming we are leaving to soon! As a Vietnam veteran I would trade all the oil in Iraq for one more American life.
"all that oil over there"
Oh I truly do feel so sorry for the oil corporations that were not able to steal Iraqi oil.
Our government? The entire premise of your question is flawed. It's not our government – it's a collection of corrupt, generally stupid, people working in their self interest and enjoying powers, most acquired without voter input or consent, that allow them to do so. "Our" supreme court, which includes outrageously corrupt political hacks, decided that corporations have a first0amendment right to bribe politicians. End of story. You don't have a government. It's not even making a pretense of working in your interest. Certain corporations make lots of money on foreign military adventures, and they got their payoff. It's their business – not yours.
Jack, there are still a lot of things the Government won't talk about ... it's what they call a 'need to know' situation. Besides they know for a fact that if they tell the media, it will be world wide in 5 minutes. Where would we be if our enemies knew all the secrets? A little fulnerable don't ya think?
Because they don't have too, and most people will buy the propaganda. That's why the government feels free to do as it pleases. There is no true accountability, except to corporate interests that is.
Because Lying Stealing and Greed plus CORRUPTION are the LAW OF THE LAND AND THE TRUTH IS A CRIME
by the way do you really believe the SINGLE BULLET THEORY !!!!!!!!!
Jack, it's time to realize that everything about the Iraq War was a series of lies and incompetent actions. Aside from the capture of Sadam Hussein, every other objective of the war was a miserable failure. We try to convince ourselves that we can leave with our head held high but the truth is our greatest moment in the Iraq War was when the first bomb dropped. Its been downhill since then. For the sake of minds of the poor souls who had to fight in Iraq, I have no problem with the government pretending that we actually did something worthwhile. For the sake of their sanity, it is best that they can go through their lives believing that their hardships were worth it.
The funny thing is that Republicans still think Iraq was involved with 9-11 and that Saddam was the great boogieman. This, to me, was the start of the great divide in this country. I cant believe the complacency with regards to Iraq. Thousands of people dead and maimed and the loss of treasury were for what???? Seriously, what?
Jack, Thanks for being candid. The first casualty in a war is the truth. We spout about freedom and democracy, and at the same time have supported a long list of brutal dictatorships, all of the 9/11 attackers was from dictatorships that we supported resulting in " blowback "one of the reasons for 9/11 given by the 9/11 commission. None of them was from Iraq, or Afghanistan. They were trained to fly in the USA... CA, FL, AZ, coordinated from Hamburg Germany. We are in Afganistan because ?
Oh come on Jack, did you forget that next year is an election year? This will just be another feather in the hat of the Obama 2012 campaign.
Are you serious ??
When's the last time our Almighty government told the TRUTH about anything ??
Can you name one thing ??
Jack, you're being a bit naive here, and I don't think you're naive. Yes, Obama was against the war, and he was proven correct in opposing this lies-based, unnecessary war. But he's not going to be saying, "This war should never have been fought!" or "It was based on lies!" or "Thank goodness this catastrophe is over!" because it would be viewed as taking away the honor of those who served in it. I don't think that, of course, but it would be a political liability later down the line. There are still many Vietnam veterans who know perfectly well that war shouldn't have been fought but *want* to tell themselves otherwise it was worth it because so many of them sacrificed so much in fighting it. Still, Obama should be praised for ending this debacle just as he promised he would before he became president. If it were a GOP president, our brave troops would be there forever just so the military defense contractors could continue getting those big fat contracts.
Drop you morals, principals ,and heritage at the door and "WE" "( THE political system )" will greet you at the door!
From that point you will be ignored except when "WE" need more money!
Thank you for your complacency, ignorance, and apathetically attitude!
Japan, Germany and Korea seem to be doing pretty well to me and I don't see any major burden that they are putting on us, do you?
The war was about securing a long term energy source for the US and her European allies. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to get their head out of the sand. American and European oil companies now control Iraqi oil fields. This was simply the first shot in the future resource wars.
When you have over 4,000 dead for nothing, you can't tell the truth.
Reason I was so disappointed with the Bush White House. We were attacked on 9-11-01 by 19 hijackers, 15 of which were from one country alone, Saudi Arabia. Not one from Iraq. In the other terrorist attacks on the US, World Trade in 1993 and others, again, not one Iraqi. Saddam may not have been a great guy, but he wasn't an Islamic fundamentalist. Matter of fact, Saddam himself was wary of Islamic fundamentalist because they threatened his power. Iraq was one of the most secular societies in the middle east. The true attackers of America have always been the hardline Wahabi fundamentalists in Saudi Arabia, and the fundamentalist in Pakistan and Afghanistan. W. Bush and his neocon's created the biggest military and diplomatic disaster this great country and great military have ever been involved with. We may never recover from his stupidity
I blame the sheeple of our society. The ones that march in lock step with whichever political party they worship.
Absolutely right on target. Why no war crime for Bush ,Cheney or the others. I can only guess that would lead to each president being tried by the next pres. or opposition party. Thank you for the clear statement particularly that we should be grateful to the Iraqui's for demanding our departure when Obama wanted to keep troops there. Why are we still in Korea, Japan, Germany etc. Thanks, Seve
I am suprised that you're suprised that the government uses smoke and mirrors to hide the full truth from the american people. Regardless of who is in power, hiding the full truth or painting a rosy picture of an unpopular policy keeps the protesters off of the south lawn.
John, Greenville, NC
Its because the people themselves have allowed the government to be secretive as well as take face value all the lies over the years. Think of JFK as well as other so called conspiracies that actually hold some form of weight. We the people have allowed this and we the people can stop this as well.
I know it nothing to celebrate but at least the president wasn't insisting on staying. People like Cheney, McCain, Romney wanted to stay forever which makes no sense at all. It is just plain wrong to use a war as a 'cash cow". Someone should be held accountable for the lives and treasure but we will just find another Iraq by simply removing a "Q" and inserting an "N'....IRAN (Brownsville, Tennessee)
When this war started my husband said this would be another Viet-nam and I said that surly they learned enough from that not to let it happen again. WRONG, Jack they never tell us the truth about anything so why think they would now.
Lets face it we have not won a war since WWII and should have never been in any of these wars. We are also in another one we should not be in. Just send in the special forces and take out all these idots and come home. They have been fighting in the Middle East since the beginning of time and will be at the end of time. My husband was in Viet-nam so I am sorry he died but glad he did not have to see all of this.
Politics, policians. Did you ever see them tell you the truth about Vietnam? It was a war were the people wanted to get rid of the rich who owned everything and left them with nothing. Our government didn't ask the socialogists about it and played politics, Democracy versus Communism. The Vice President did it last night in his interview where he talked about being their so long to establish a demcracy. And where are the Sunni politically now? Why didn't the Iraqi Prime Minister win the election? People want to be free. But we always fail to realize people can be free without our form of government. It's for them to choose, not us. Our form of government in this country doesn't work well now. That's why everybody are so upset. It isn't working well. The rich own too much, control too much, buy the politicians, are rigging the vote for 2012 with voter IDs.
Well, you answered the question yourself, Jack.
There is no doubt that the Iraq war was a crock, but do you expect the commander in chief to stand in front of the troops and tell them they lkilled and got killed for the gumption and greed of the so called neoconservative movement? Why the blaming of Obama? He did his duty, got them the hell out of there! What did you expect him to do? Stand in front of men that had given blood sweat and tears and told them their whole enterprise was a pointless lie and that they were just suckers? Come on get real.
Why can't we get the truth from Cafferty? Especially as it applies to Obama's performance....
There is crazy Bush and everyone that followed. So much wasted money for what? Killing hundreds of thousands of muslims as well. Imagine if all that money were spent on America instead. 17,000 left? what for? why more waste? End these damns wars, and stop destroying, and build America instead.
What's to say, it cost the taxpayers their savings, US lives lost, thousands of Iraqi lives lost,,GW and Colin Powel will write books and convice themselves they did the right thing. A bad chapter in American history.
MONEY now and forever!
The war was nothing but the military wanting an opportunity to test new battlefield strategies, test new weapons and test the troops all under battle conditions and then ask for more money to fund future weapons. Their own little test tube in the part of the world where the next major war will be fought. Nothing more nothing less.
Crown Point, In
It is perfectly clear ... keep China at bay ... China with Iraqui oil and Afghan strategic minerals ... rules the world. China is importing millions of tons of chornozem soil from Ukraine, locking up strategic reserves in Africa, and flaunting international treaties on fisheries ... doesn't take much to figure it out ... with a moon base by the end of this decade, China is out to bow to no one.
Can you hear the President on down to top Cabinet and Congressional leaders stating this? "We're out to stop China!"
... perhaps showing satellite images of the oil pipeline China was building westward as a wink-wink nudge-nudge may satisfy your questioning ...
Our government can't bring itself to tell us the truth about Iraq simply because the majority of the American people can't handle it. The bitter truth is that this misadventure has been a complete fiasco from Day One. How many folks really want to acknowledge that 4500 Americans (and untold thousands of Iraqis) died and our Treasury was looted to the tune of trillions of dollars for absolutely nothing? We were sold a bill of goods by those arch-liars Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld,and other neocon fanatics. If anything,this whole eight-year Mesopotomain nightmare has proven counter-productive to our national interest Why those responsible aren't facing criminal charges is the only mystery remaining.
The Iraq war was all about 3 letters. The neocons with GWBush and Cheney lied that the 3 letters were WMD, when it was really OIL. Still mostly hidden from the public is the new US Consulate in Basra. This fortress is supposedly positioned because of its proximity to Iran, but is really there to protect the oil concessions that we 'negotiated' from Iraq.
Don't you feel 'warm all over' that we killed so many Iraqis and sacrificed so many American lives so our oil companies can make even more money?
My opinion is "the reason they can't tell us the truth is that the whole thing isn't and never was justified. It is all about stealing from the American People. Bush took billions and probably used one billion to pay every congressman and senator 4 million dollars. After receiving the money they couldn't tell the truth and now Obama is up to his neck in the same do-do." I I think Nobody has been prosecuted and Obama is afraid to prosecute because he is involved in the theft.
Politics, to get access to the OIL fields, just as Afganistan is the MINERALS.
Jack- if the truth was told it would reveal that Obama has been against the war all along and now can appease his followers. Take my word- a year from now we will be feeling sorry for all the lives lost and money spent when we realize nothing was gained. The Iraqis don't like us and don't want us or our way of life. Iran will now move in.
Jack, you should lay off the sauce when writing. It makes you sound foolish.
Saddam invade a weak country (Kuwait) and then raped and pillaged it. When beaten back by the international coalition, he constantly challenged the no-fly zone and failed to live up to the committments he made to stop the hostilities. Additionally HE SAID he had WMD, partially because he wanted Iran to think he had them. Not to mention the incredible violence he and his regime inflicted on his own people. In constrast, Iraq now has a fledgling democracy (although, yes, still flawed). The notion that this is a defeat and not a victory is ridiculous. You sound like a Liberal Jack.
The truth is we invaded a soverign country based on lies and bad intelligence. If we were any other country on the planet the world would be screaming for the leaders who perpetrated this horrendus act be tried as war criminals. It is good that we are getting these fine people out of the meat grinder over there. They never should have been sent there in the first place. Will we ever get the truth from our own government??? No way, no how!!!
A few corrections:
1) Iraq DID have a lot to do with us - it invaded an ally, tried to establish control of most of the oil in the region, defied multiple UN mandates, and (in so doing) tied down THOUSANDS of troops and BILLIONS of dollars for about a decade (BEFORE the war).
2) WE did NOT kill "hundreds of thousands of their people." Hundreds of thousands may have died, but most of that was them killing each other. One coudl argue we may similar numbers die in the not too distant future if things devolve (as they quite likely well).
3) While weapons of mass destruction were a cause, they were only one
My opinion is "the reason they can't tell us the truth is that the whole thing isn't and never was justified. It is all about stealing from the American People. Bush took billions and probably used one billion to pay every congressman and senator 4 million dollars. After receiving the money they couldn't tell the truth and now Obama is up to his neck in the same do-do." I think Nobody has been prosecuted and Obama is afraid to prosecute because he is involved in the theft.
They didn't tell the truth about why we were going in the first place so don't expect to get the truth now. The American people don't want to hear the truth about anything.
Connie in Tn.
About four years ago I heard another Soldier describe the best exit strategy possible. "We simply need to convince ourselves that Iraq is now a democracy. We declare victory and get out before the nation reverts to what it will always be – an unstable state motivated by corruption and impossibly divided by religious differences." Bush's foolish war left us very few options – so we're choosing delusion and deception. The truth really isn't a viable choice.
Well, Jack, that is a question you ought to ask the government. I read Bob Woodward's book on the walk-up to the war and came away convinced that our goal there was to establish a power base in the Middle East, which we have apparently failed to do. So, our objective was not realized, in spite of the cost. Maybe that is the reason that the truth is not being told. But, I think, the larger reason is that our real presence there, as you hint, is the desire to control the oil reserves. And I strongly suspect that the government is just not ready to tell the American public the cost of oil...lives and lots of dollars.
When President Bush announced that he was sending troops to Iraq, you were critical then too, declaring that the government was not telling you the truth. Now, President Obama is bringing those troops home. Here too you claim failure and demand the truth. Cafferty, you're not looking for the truth, you want dirt. We got kicked out of Vietnam, but we cheered that our men & women were coming home from an unpopular war. President Obama is doing the same, even against the recommendations of Bush, Cheney, and many others in government who felt we should have stayed and fought. Regardless of whether the Iraqi mission was a success or failure is irrelevant! Our troops are coming home, something that should be applauded no matter what, and to hell with the truth.
Jack, give Obama some credit for keeping a promise to end what was indeed a useless and expensive war. With respect to your question, I dare say that you are clearly Monday night quarter backing. Where were you when Bush deployed the US military in Iraq? Where was the "relentless" pressure from the media for the truth about our invasion of Iraq? Is this just another "our goal is to ensure that Obama is a one term president'? It all seems like there is a determined effort to find fault in EVERYTHING Obama tries to do.
Mr. Cafferty, I would tell you exactly why our government cannot bring itself to tell us the truth about Iraq, but it is a matter of National Security (whatever that is!). Sorry.
Forgot to add that I am from Omaha, Nebraska to my comment
Jack Cafferty has been the only one on CNN making any sense these last couple months, he's also the only one who has given Ron Paul a fair shake throughout. My respect for him continues to grow... he's spot on here.
Why are you tying Obama to the Iraq invasion, he was one of the few smart ones who voted against it. Now that he's been in office he's had to make the best of a bad situation there. (Sound familiar, the economy was in the crapper before he took office, and he's had to make the best of a bad situation there.). Why didn't you ask this question to Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld?
I won't be listening to see if you read this on the air Jack, but our government withholds the truth about just about everything. You make it sound as if a lying politician is "breaking news".
My husband and I said this all along from day one. Why the hell did we go there? Why did we kill over 4000 of our young men and women? Over lies. The devastaion goes far beyond those who lost there lives. What about the wounded, the mental issues and what about all the families who lives were torn about. Bush and Cheney should be held accountable for everyone of those Americans killed over there.
The only person in government who has been telling the truth is Ron Paul. We are leaving only because we are receiving the boot. But then again, aside from diplomatic leaders, around 8,000 contractors will be sticking around to get paid at the embassy we built so we can continue to police the world. I hope people begin to understand what blowback is all about. Thank you Jack for keeping it real.
You forgot to mention that a lot of analysts thought of Iraq as being a check on Iran's power and that when we disabled Iraq militarily we also made things easier for Iran.
Jack, we werent looking for non existent wmd's... we were looking for ADDITIONAL wmd's... We knew sadam had them.. heck he used them on his own people and killed over 100,000 innocent iraqi's... mustard gas... look it up if you must.. but to be so blatently dishonest in your column is ridiculous.. We invaded Germany when it had nothing to do with us.. WHY? because of a tyrant who was mass killing innocent people.. whats the difference here with sadam...? was it that he only killed 100,000 people, instead of 6 million.. where do you draw the line on how many people a tyrant is allowed to kill before we take him out... I'd also like to point out every democrat that voted to send our troops to iraq... something the media sure seems to forget...
Where would they start? After lies about weapons of mass destruction, about how the oil would finance the war, how the war would allow Iraq to be a democracy. The lies will continue and we will be present in Iraq as long as there is profit to be made.
Well it's simple. They don't want us to know anything, just pay for all their adventures. Ron Paul has been saying something similar for 9 years now. We are out there intervening, wasting millions, and stirring up trouble. Then we wonder why we have terrorist organizations out there that don't like us. Well we have propped up half the dictators in the region as long as they will play ball with us they will get our dollars.
Need more than voices in the wind when considering the U.S. role in Iraq and Afghanistan, certainly our media and media personnel know how to accelerate all possible information to maximize the profits of their corporate citizen, but they never present the real arguments that promoted the decisions to invade sovereign countries. As a citizen of this great country I’m becoming aware of the real pressures that move us to invade; our military industrial complex is a very real entity that has achieved corporate citizen status, a position of power that is slowly determining our real, unfortunate, identity.
The reason the US has made a 'triumphant' exit from Iraq is simply due to public relations. There is no political gain to simply leave Iraq at the request of the Iraqi government; however, there is much political gain to portray a 'mission accomplished' scenario.
Regardless of one's opinion as to the motivations of those involved at the beginning of the war, it can be agreed that the strategy employed in that country was flawed. The reason that Americans remain in the dark is so that our own government can avoid embarrassment and spin each lackluster happening into some type of pseudo victory.
Jack, what do want to hear?We Americans have long ago determined that this was our version of Vietnam. A war based on lies and half truths. What I think the President is doing is making sure these service men and women are being rightfully honored for the sacrifices they made. Nothing you could hear will ever make this right.
It is absurd to think that you are entitled to know everything. Jack, I would think that someone like you would know that. It is even more absurd for you to write about it as though you are outraged and we are entitled to know everything. As John said (although I feel he was joking), it is a matter of national security.
Your discription of Pres. Obama acting out as if the The enemy signed a term of surrender is to me a bit of
Relax Jack, Bush's war is over and the combat troops can come home–the main goal. Merry Christmas to all the guys returning to their homes.
Jack it's Simple...
The executive branch, CIA Military Industrial Complex of US government is corrupt to the core.
Why don't you ask a more important question...Obama just signed a bill to detain americans without trial.
What is gods name are the American people doing? are they all asleep? WAKE UP!!!!
I'm a Canadian love my American brothers to the south...
But your contry (our world) is being destroyed by criminals...our govs are ALL corrupted.
Because we can't handle the truth !!!
As the parent of a soldier currently deployed in Afghanistan for the 3rd time I can tell you from a Military Family perspective that recognizing the end of the Iraq war in this manner is entirely appropriate in order to give credit to all of our Service Members for a mission they accomplished. This is about a tribute to the minority of Americans who served and won this war despite the politics of whether we should have been there in the first place. This is about closure for THEM! The political debate is for the historians, but now is the time to recognize the achievements of our men and women who served.
Because in a government that can't agree on budgets,laws,morals,or anything else , the first thing that no one can agree on is "Truth". Watch any debate ... 7 people will tell you 7 different versions of anything. Truth only exists in our individual minds.
Jack, because we couldn't handle the truth?
An old professor once gave me these words to live by: if it doesn't make sense, it's about money.
Well, if he did, he would pay the political price of GWBush nonsensical politics and war policies, offering to the GOP an opportunity to be painted as an appeasing weak President, unable to really protect the American people.
Why don't we get the truth? Because we are gullible and allow politicians to get away with almost any kind of crap, that's why. Yes, it's never the government, it's we the people.
In the end, our is really a democracy where we the people get what we earned by being gullible like 3 years old babies.
The truth? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! (thank you Jack...no, the other Jack, Jack Nicholson)
Who started it will never own the error. Who is dealing with it can't keep blaming it back for own reasons. Who else is remaining to tell us the truth.
IBecause Iraq wasn't the 1st lie. Everybody knows that a person who llies (government in this case) is covering for the lie before that lie, which was covering for the lie before that lie, which was covering for the lie before that lie... and on and on. We must vote the establishment, especially the senior most members of Congress destroying this country, out of there. You know who I mean... Clean house of the like of Pelosi, Boehner, Reed, McConnell, Canter,
Bush invaded Iraq on orders from the Saudi King. The Saudis feared Sadam and wanted to eliminate him. Israel could not care less abouy Sadam; Israel have nukes but the Saudis only have camels.
Your question will remain a mistery for a long time to com.
Thank you for all what you do.
Are you kidding Jack. The thought of our government ever telling us the truth about ANYTHING is laughable (at best)
I think Obama never agreed with the war to begin with, his spinning Iraq as a victory gives the end some dignity for America and prevents Iraq from being viewed as another Vietnam.
Because Jack if they told us the truth about the Iraq war it would mean people would not only lose faith in the military, but within the white house as well. It would probably also mean the end to the US as an international super power and we can't have that now, can we??
When you support it in the beginning and then you get in you have to stay the course. It's nice to be able to say "Let's go" and then change our mind, but you can never get out as fast as you can get in.
Oh please Jack.Our Government can't even bring themselves to tell us what kind of scumbags they really are.Truth?That's a joke.Vote them ALL out.
they don't tell us the truth because they're afraid we might just riot like an Egyptian.
This question should be answered by the people who started the war, not by the ones who inherited it, and had to finish it. The truth is Obama is ending something that probably should not have been started, and THAT, is what should be celebrated.
It would only confirm what we already know about them! That they are criminals and can't be trusted!!!!!!!!!!
Why didn't the TV pundits ask more questions about the war in the beginning? Most of them were cheerleading. Why beat the drum now when our soldiers have done what they were required to do – fight the war. What's the percentage in denying our soldiers the right to leave with their heads up, knowing that they did their best? The war was a bad policy decision but our soldiers were successful and I am very proud of them and very grateful. History will judge the decision to go to War – TV pundits are not in a position to judge.
Because the truth would require a level of introspection about our actions and our blind patriotism that we are unwilling to face.
You understand politics better than that! Obama made the best of a bad situation. He merely tride to tell the soldiers coming home that they did a good job. Would you rather that he tell them that they all went over there and sacrificed for no reason?
Why can't the goverment tell the truth about going into Iraq? Because if it told the truth we would have a former Vice President and President held as war criminals. Thats why. And by the way.. it wasn't a total loss... Haliburton made billions off of no bid contracts, and will continue to make billions servicing the billion dollar contracts that Shell, ExxonMobile, and Chevron signed with the Iraq Goverment. Still wondering why we went into Iraq?
Jack, I'm sure the President agrees with most of what you have to say about the Iraq war. But what is he supposed to say now? That it was all a terrible mistake and our awful losses in blood and treasure were nothing but a waste? He's not being dishonest, but a politician often has to say what is politically correct. No surprise here. Give him a break.
You want the truth? "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"
I disagree with your shake on this withdraw from Iraq. President Obama has said all along that we needed to leave. I've never heard him say we were victorious except in terms of helping settle some of the terrible destruction the Bush regime created there. I salute our President for making the decision to get out, and might I say, against initial opposition from the right. Of course now that they see America is for leaving Iraq, they're ok with it.
I'm as much concerned about the media as I am about the government. While I commend you for questioning the Iraq War from the very beginning, and this should be pointed out, you were a minority. Government aside, has anyone in the media been held accountable for their unquestioning cheer leading of a war that bankrupted the nation and killed thousands?
The business of governments has always been the business of war. Preparing for it, to assure it's citizens that they are safe under it's wings. Waging it, to show it's citizens that their government is powerful enough to be in charge. Peace has no capitalistic rewards...war does. When there is peace no one profits in dollars. With the economy down world wide, governments will find a way to war just to build up their industries. DW Eisenhower was so right.
I think the 535 club, that is the House and the Senate, has been lying to us for the last 30 years since Reagan showed how well lying works. Since then it has been nothing but CYA in the 535 club. But hey, wars make a lot of profits for big business which is who really owns the 535 club.
Jack, The government doesn't tell us the truth about much anymore! They even lie while on the floor of the house or the senate. One big thing to celebrate is our boys are home and safe now, and that is cause for celebration in itself! That is what Obama was celebrating. Not being truthfull about what they speak about should be illegal and grounds for automatic removal from their seat!
One war about imaginary weapons of mass destruction down (Iraq), and another war about imaginary weapons of mass destruction about to begin (Iran)...
IWhy should our government bother telling us the truth when the lies worked so well. Look at all the money they borred to buy fancy new toys to play with while our young people died playing with them. There is also the fact that if the truth be told, the people of this nation would want fromer President Bush and VP Cheney prosecuted for what they took us into and you know, Republicans can't allow that.
Jack, we don't need to be told why, we know already. It was for the oil, Cheney's Halliburton got billions in no-bid contracts for faulty construction that killed our troops in their own barracks and left half built schools and other facilities that were abandon because they were falling apart due to shoddy construction before completion. But that doesn't hold a candle to George W Bush's vendetta against Saddam Husein for trying to kill his daddy. Between it being a personal Bush/Cheney war that we were lied to about its necessity and the way it was totally mismanaged from the start, if they confirmed this they would have to put most of the Bush administration in prison.
We went to Iraq to set up a war with Iran. We can't do that if the people know. A ruler first rule is to lie to the public because they don't understand foreign policy.
now jack; you certainly have heard the quip," follow the money", doesn't take a rocket sceinantist, ( we know you are not one ), but c'mon, it's as plain as the oil contracts that were sold a few months ago..
Mainly because the truth that Obama could not negotiate another SOFA agreement with the Iraqi government would be politically embarrassing to him in an election year. Obama may be forced to tell the truth if too many things go wrong in Iraq once we leave such as if we have to go back to deal with Iran or with some other crisis over there.
We are not being kicked out, the elected government of Iraq says it doesn't need us anymore. Case closed. Saddam dead, no WMD's. Mission accomplished.
Admitting that we lost in Iraq just isn't something that the government can do. It would state that we went into the war for no valid reason, remained there too long, and wasted way too much money on it while getting nothing in return (you know, the obvious). A huge waste of lives and money simply so the younger Bush would no longer have to hear that his dad didn't finish the job during his war.
We are leaving on the timetable left by the Bush administration NOT because the Iraqi government is "kicking us out". Furthermore, why do you ever expect to hear the truth about a war that was based on nothing but lies in the first place?
I believe it has been obvious all along. The United States went to war in Iraq, where it was able to draw in and fight all the people who had fled Afghanistan once that country was invaded. The United States indeed battled Al-Qaeda and was able to defeat it, both militarily and idiologically. After 9-11 there was a lot of support for Bin Laden, indeed Osama became one of the most popular names. Once people saw what Al-Qaeda really had to offer (bloodshed and misery) they became turned off by it. The Arab spring also has its roots in Iraq. People throughout the middle east saw the Iraqi people voting (Despite all the danger) and hold up their purple stained fingers. They realized that they too should be able to vote, but did not want it to come from the ouside, so they rose up and thus gave birth to the Arab Spring. The war in Iraq was a success in terms of Real Politik. It is a shame that so many people in this country try to portray it as a loss simply for political gain.
Who ever bought theline about wmd's, oh wait everyone did. We now know it was about revenge by Bush and just another business deal for Cheney/Haliburton. But look at the bright side, our current President works in secret to kill hundreds of innicent Mexicans by allowing his drug cartel friends to purchase weapons in the US. Life is cheap, but profits and political contributions dear! New administration, same 'ole stuff!
Do you want to be the one to tell all those returning military personnel and their families that this war was all in vain? Well, Jack, I guess you do... you just did, but you're not running for re-election. As a committed "glass half emptly" guy, I suppose you would have preferred to leave them over there?
You expect the truth out of Washington ??? Both sides of the fence lost the meaning of truth a very, very long time ago. Washington releases their version of the truth, if, and only if it fits their agenda. Send a message to Washington next November - "SEND THEM ALL PACKING – BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE" -- Gary // Henderson NV
too many of the liars are still sitting in congress. that's why they won't tell the truth.
Springfield, Illinois. Obama did not invade Iraq. But the GOP candidates (and apparently Jack) can't stop criticizing President Obama for ending it. I say thanks to all the troops who fought there and the President for his leadership, including ending the war.
Isn't it obvious? That would imply that America made a mistake, something that is never permitted. That would mean they'd have to admit that the Bush administration lied and carelessly invaded a country that not only had no connection to 9/11, but was not a threat to our national security. Then came President Obama, who campaigned on always being opposed to the war but kept us there until conveniently "leaving" when election is drawing near. Here's the problem, we didn't leave. It's just another expansion of our empire that we cannot afford. This country is broke, and no candidate with the exception of Ron Paul wants to admit it.
The real question is why you failed to point out this view of yours when it actually mattered. Your efforts to guide the viewer's opinion is pathetic. The war is on the shoulders of your rethuglican friends.....not Obama.
I guess you've forgotten who started this war, Jack? Where was all this grumbling when Bush started this and never bothered to fund this war!!! What do you want President Obama to say about this war, that it was stupid and needless, well that would really make the soldiers feel worthless. All the sacrifices that were made by women and men,their families, their children. We owe them so much! I'm glad we're getting the heck out of there but I'm proud of our soldiers, and will never forget who started this war!
Jack, it has been one lie after another, starting with Iraq. The lies continue to flow along with the blood and treasure of many nations including the US. If they were to admit that it was all a lie, then they would have to stop the lies and wars we are in presently and arrest many members of both administrations as well as other heads of state around the world. We are dealing with a rogue and criminal US government who foments terror around the world.
You are off base in your question. Obama is not hailing this a triumph. Everything I have heard and seen on CNN from Obama is praise of our troops,not as conquering heroes, but as people who have honorably served their country. I was in Vietnam, anther unpopular war where our service was spat upon. I have been against the Iraq Conflict since August 2002 when it was just being talked about, but I and most Americans supported our troops, but I would have brought them home in 2005. There was never a good way to leave when you enter a unneeded war.
Your assertion that we are being kicked out and that is false. We are leaving because the American people rightly have no desire to support this Conflict. If they supported it we would still be there.
Our armed services have placed their lives on the line for almost a decade in a war that was based on lies from the previous administration and you want the current administration to apologize for it? This President has finally extricated us from this disaster and is paying the proper respect and honor to the military for it's heroism. How very self-centered of you to feel that you are being slighted.
Because if Obama told the truth, all you Obama-haters would say how disgraceful it is for him to diss the troops and their great sacrifice.
Government has always used lies to satisfy its people and there is no reason it should be different in the United States. While it is a despicable fact, it's a truth everyone has to live with. The reason the lie has been such a long running one is because once the United States committed so many resources and didn't want to leave without gaining any ground but it was bound to end up this way from the beginning.
That's a cheap shot, Jack. Of course it's was a dumb war and I'm sure the President knows that but he didn't start it, he just brought the troops home. How could President Obama, as Commander-In-Chief, stand before all those troops who bravely served in Iraq and do anything else but praise their service. What President could or would do otherwise?
Why is military action the only time most people are skeptical of their government? Anyway.
Jack, WE didn't kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Blame the Islamists for that. If we wanted to slaughter people there would be millions dead. If we had left the country in shambles, Jack (and others) would have been railing about that, too.
One final thing on the WMD. If everyone was so sure there were no MORE WMD (because he had and used them), then why was the United Nations fighting to get weapons inspectors back into Iraq. Why would they care? Why pass threatening resolutions? Why would Bill Clinton say Iraq's WMD programs were a threat. This is why the Left loses credibility.
I can question going to war. I can certainly question how the war was implemented and whether we should have tried so hard to get the people there to behave like civilized humans. What bugs me is when people sit back and idiotically ignore selective bits of history simply because the war was not started by someone in their political party. Geesh. This is why we are lost.
Bush lied when he said Iraq had "weapons of Mass distruction" We should have assisignated Saddam and left it at that. We should never have sent troops into Iraq or Afghanistan. When terrorist training camps pop up, send a drone and smart bombs to eradicate them. We should have spent the money on rebuilding our own infrastructure and put Americans to work here not put our troops in harms way to accomplish nothing
The government can't bring itself to tell the truth about the Iraq war for the same reason it can't bring itself to tell the truth about most of our "optional" wars. With a few exceptions - e.g., the two World Wars - "war is a racket," according to USMC Gen. Smedley Butler (1881-1940). Gen. Butler, a straightforward man of unquestioned honesty and integrity, admitted to finally realizing he had been used as a "racketeer for capitalism" throughout his career, oppressing the citizens of foreign countries and installing puppet governments to keep those countries safe for capitalism. Butler also initiated a congressional investigation into a possible coup d'etat in the US, with the plotters - whom he believed to be several of the wealthiest American capitalists - desiring to install a more economically efficient fascist government in the US. And of course, let's also remember President Eisenhower's warnings about the power of the military-industrial complex.
The young men of the middle and lower classes sustain crippling injuries and die so that the wealthy can maintain a healthy bottom line. That might be the only line the wealthy and our government realize they can't sell us.
If they told us the truth about the war in Iraq, members of the previous administration would be going to prison for war crimes. You left out one reason, maybe the real reason, we went to war – Saddam tried to kill Bush's daddy. Let's also remember the words of Rummy "The war will pay for itself." I'm proud of our troops, but not that proud of what my country did and there is nothing I can do about what we did.
Jack that would be saying out loud that the US government lies to the people. I can't help but notice that even you stop short of doing that. Imply up the ying yang but never say it straight out. President Obama said he would pull all the troops out as soon as possible and unlike other Presidents he is actually trying to do what he promised to do. The least people like you can do is acknowledge the effort.
Jack, welcome back from your coma. Just to bring you up to speed. Barack Obama is now the president of the United States.This question should have been asked of those in the Bush administration. The lies were told then. Barack has to rescue the morale of the troops and those who laid their lives down of unconfirmed and, as we now know, inaccurate intelligence.
Usually we are of one mind on things but I feel like you got this one wrong. You have to hear the whole thing the President said. While he omitted any mention of ongoing occupation, most of his "victory comments" were directed at the Troops. They did a hell of a job and it wasn't a time for negatives. Our men and women in uniform will get their full taste of the bad when they realize what has been going on here at home. Maybe they'll come home and rescue us...Jeff S.
And what would be the response? "That's politics – the Democrats demonizing Bush again."
Jack, anyone who doesn't already know the truth about the Iraq debacle is in a coma. Doesn't matter what you say about it now.
Surely we are not suprised that we were lied to.Greed is why we went.George Galloway British MP was vilified amongst others,but were proven correct.Bush should have been charged with war crimes.Still the only western country to torture prisoners.Pity the media dont highlight these points more instead of jumping on the pro-war bandwagon.Listening to most of the rep.candidates u know the next war will be Iran
What garbage. And the government has the gall to paint this as some sort of military triumph?
Why after all these years can't our government bring itself to tell us the truth about Iraq?
I don't understand how people fall for the story of "we are at war to protect our liberties".
It has been 10 years of war and we are not any safer or free. It started with TSA and the Patriot Act.. now the government wants to hold civilians indefinitely in Guantanamo. I did not serve in the military for this!
War is not working how about we try the opposite??
The Truth, Jack ? Americans can't face the truth. Thats why the Government can't tell you the truth, and the media is complicit . Just look at how you and Blitzer have excised 'soldier' from the language and replaced it with 'hero' and sometimes 'warrior', meaning anyone who wears a uniform no matter where he serves or what he does.
I would simply ask "Why can't our government just tell the truth?".
Jack you want the truth? You can't handle the truth! All joking aside, the truth is... We should have never gone into Iraq but WE DID. Now that we were in, we coudn't let it fester with the fresh hot blooded militants that came in to kill us and take control of that country. Now after all these years of fighting, Iraq is NOT run by a ruthless dictator and insane family that mercilessly kills its opposition and anyone who they feel is a threat. Iraq is NOT run a leader who wants to see our destruction. Iraq NOW has democracy and violence has been down. The children in Iraq will grow up without EVER living under a ruthless dictator.
Because none of our so-called representatives want to be held accountable for misleading Americans and the world by waging a war so soldiers derived mainly from lower to middle income families could inadvertantly help line the pockets of Halliburton, the Koch brothers and other owners of the Republican Party.
The government is never going to admit that it wasted 4,400+ American soldiers lives and blew nearly 2 trillions dollars
fighting a country that never attacked us. We are never going to hear the truth but we will be paying for this mistake for years to come.
Jack, the real reason you and the rest of us feel like mushrooms kept in the dark is because, like mushrooms, we are all trying to survive in the midst of a lot of smelly stuff coming out of Washington.
Let's not crucify President Obama for being honest with us. He promised to bring our troops home and lo and behold our troops are leaving Iraq. If you want to crucify someone, what about Bush who blatantly lied to the American people about the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq as a reason to send our sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, sisters, and brothers to that God-forsaken country to finish a job his father didn't have the gumption to finish . Funny how not one wmd was found in the 9 years we occupied that country. As the mother of a soldier who served a year in Baghdad, may I say "thank you" to our current President and "shame on you" to our last President.
Ron Paul is the only one telling the real story, he was against this mess when it started. We need him as president.
The answer to this question is simple, Jack: the government KNOWS that the American public fails to learn from the past mistakes of our government through history; American's are generally too complacent and short-sighted to pay attention to what's happening in the world around us; Americans generally have a very short memory; and, as long as most of us are getting what we want, we really don't care enough to carefully vote for (or bother to vote at all) for representatives that have the intelligence and will to do the right thing. Until we stop acting like mushrooms, our government will treat us like mushrooms. You're absolutely right, this is just the BEGINNING!
Jack, I'm sure that you would hear quite a different version of our involvement of the Iraqi adventure if you were a fly on Obama's wall. However, he is the commander in chief of our fighting forces and unless you'd like to observe the highest ever rate of suicides by members of our military, I think the President told them the part of the truth they so desperately needed to hear.
Everything that you have stated is accurate, however, you are missing the point here, Jack. This is about the troops; about bringing them home as heros to a grateful nation. The situation is bad enough; do we really need to welcome them home with a proclamation that they fought and died in vain? Ask a Vietnam vet.
They lie because there is something much bigger going on. It is becoming more and more obvious. It is up to us, as human beings and Americans, to stop this globalization of American principles. We are going broke in the process... I hear that we have troops that went from Iraq to Jordan and are in a border town next to Syria. It's swirling around on the interne;t I don't know if it is true... Are you guys ready for another war?!?! I'm telling every one now. They only way to Restore America.... Ron Paul.
The American people don't want to hear the truth. They only see one side of most issues, the side that makes them look like the saviors of the world not the killers of 100 000 civilians. Just last night Wolf Blitzer was complaining about Iraq not being thankful for everything the United States has done for them.
You're sick and tired? I'm sick and tired of people like you thinking that the millions of dollars and thousands of lives lost are due to the current administration. It is your friend George Bush that ignored the fact that the evidence did not support the presence of WMD's in Irag. It is George Bush that got us into this war and is clearly an oil industry supporter, wanting to benefit from Iraq's natural resource.. Barack Obama simply is trying to show that the government and the American public appreciates the service and sacrifice of the armed services as they arrive back on American soil. You're blaming the wrong guy and the wrong administration. You sound like a tried and true Republican.
Well, its sound kinda dumb for the U.S. to publicly admit that the whole premise on why we went to war was wrong from the start. Bush served up a full serving of fear-tactics to the American citizens to justify the Iraq war and much to our amazement the imaginary WMD's were never found. This is what happens when we elect a C grader student run a triple A country into the ground.
What's left to say Jack? It's the same government that threw us overboard 40 years ago. Everyone knows that they're lying to us. If they started telling the truth it might cause a sudden spike in heart attacks.
The truth? If the truth actually came out about the run up to the war, the invasion, and the occupation of a country that did nothing to us, we'd have to imprison pretty much every member of the last administration. That would be a bit messy.
Nothing new here, Jack. The government thinks we "can't handle the truth". And, lately, I can't.
Chapel Hill, NC
the reoops who were called into serving in iraq, and then after nearly 9 years later the survivors come home . but the main thing about the ida of going into iraq in the 1st place wasn't Saddam's thing of having weapons of mass deastruction . the idea I think is that Gerorge Bush senoir started the idea of going after Saddam when he was in office , but later called off, so bush Jr comes along with the idea of saddam having weapons of mass destruction, an indea or excuse to invade the country in order to capture and kill Saddam , MY thinking it was a revenge tactic . in other words . Bush Junior callied out what Senior didn't , usiung wmd as an excuse.
all the troops that have came home so far , the question I have is this , of all that served in Iraq, were there any Full Blooded Native American Indians Serving , and if so , were they recognized by the President like the rst of the americans .? if not that iis totally wrong.
because doing so would prove RON PAUL right. stop nation building, mind our own business, protect our borders not Afghan., Iraq, and the rest of the world. We cant afford it and we need to turn our economy around before its too late.Long live the Jackster.
RON PAUL YALL
I admire your hand-ringing, Jack, but how much did the mainstream media question the Bush-Cheney administration 10 years ago in the run-up to war? Now the Obama administration is negotiating with persian gulf states to station as many as 40,000 of our troops in the region. What for? Basically to prepare for war with Iran, one has to assume. I'm sure Obama will come up with some good pretext, and our state propaganda – oh, I mean mainstream media – will rush to the war drums right on cue.
Simple Jack, The American people can't take the truth and don't want to hear it. They'd rather listen to Fox News, and believe all of our politicians and their myths instead of thinking for themselves.
Jack, It is easy to fight wars on foreign soil. That way if you lose you are not constantly reminded by leveled cities and aftermath of lost battle campaigns. ONLY because people's memories are similar to that of a gold fish a lost military invasion will seem like a faint distant memory. Korea... Vietnam....Middle East.... long distant drawn out battles on foreign soil, devastating losses on all sides, people's lives permanently impacted and yet somehow after all the invasions and resources spent on such campaigns... they are almost always wrapped up with a question of "was that really worth it since nothing really changed?"
Well let's see... We have a huge military that consumes almost half of the tax payers money and the government has nothing to use it on. They got bored and invaded Iraq using the "so called" weapons of mass destruction as a reason to convince America that we should hate Iraq. It's all propaganda!
Why can't we be told the truth? Because it's politically inconvenient and financially limiting to do so.
Jack, Psychologist have long konwn that people desire to remain ignorant of painful truths. It starts as a child with fairytales we are told we "must believe in or else." We are trained not to question. AS we get older we starte believing stuff we are told about things that would take too much time away from our beer and football to understand. We certainly would find it painful to think we sent our children off to kill people and get killed for no reason that would be considered moral or in the bounds of the bible. I would like to say "we choose ignorance". But as John Adams said, "Free will is an illusion. We will always choose the path of greatest plasure (and I would add least effort)."
First of all Jack I'd like to thank you for having the - to report this. But its important to remember that this is Bush's war, not Obamas. So the answer is very simple. The government will never admit a mistake cause to do so makes them look weak and will take away some of their power. They'll sugar coat anything to make it look good even if they are totaly wrong or what they did was completely evil. Bush was planning an invasion of Iraq even when he was just a candidate for President according to Bob Woodwards book "Plan of Attack."
The government does not tell Americans anything that involves truth. Solyndra, weapons to Mexico, stealing from Social security. If you don't belong to the government social club, the rest of us are denied the truth.
Why won't the government tell the truth about Iraq? can you say Haliburton?
... you can't explain to strategy to a grasshopper... we are the pawns. nothing more.
We did not invade Iraq because of oil. We went there to protect Israel
jack, what truth do you want to hear from our govt.that is not been said already? U S is leaving because they are broke
Gee Jack you seem to answer your yourself with your own question here. Let me start out by saying that the pull out was the result of an agreement reached by the Bush administration and the Iraqi leadership some time ago. Also, I don't remember seeing President Obama standing on any Aircraft Carriers with a "Mission Accomplished" Banner behind him. Though I do recall him welcoming troops home. As far as a 16 thousand person presence in Iraq, well Jack. As you intimated, Iran is a dangerous neighbor. And though we found no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. They do seem to be working on them there... No?
It is the dismantling of the Military-Industrial Complex. Republicans built it under President Bush, Obama is now disassembling it. Military spending has always been the Republican's trump card in politics, "How dare you deprive the troops!" is the attack ad that will write itself.
I think after all these years Obama and the U.S found oil in Wyoming, Colorado, Kansas, Nebraska, that is more then Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, and Russia and they found it before they invaded Iraq but was kept a secret because Obama was too selfish to use his oil "he wanted to save it for later."but what i don't get is why do you have to spill american and Iraqi blood when it is not necessary. Also Afghanistan is one thing Iraq is another but why put the blame on Iraq. Iraq had as much impact as shouting at the TV screen. How have Americans become so disassociated that they do not demand the war end?
Each day it lasts creates new enemies, wastes more money, and costs more American lives. But let us stop and imagine “winning” this war. What does America get? Oil?
We are being led by another group of idiots who are in turn duped by people they trust. Marines lie about CMO story, Army lied about Tillman death; Drone security overcome by Iranian hackers, now we hear about secret interviews of a MyLai-type massacre – where the papers were supposed to be destroyed and end up in an Iraqi land fill. Obama is unwilling to protect our US borders, wants voting rights for non-citizens. Holder helps Fast and Furious. Prayer for the new year: Dear God, please protect us from our 'protectors' !
Your comment and your question seems to be about different issues. You blame the government secrecy on the president, yet for some time it has been a matter of record that Iraq wanted us gone, so we're leaving, whether Obama likes it or not. Unlike ANY of the republican candidates would do, Obama has only acted on his promise to bring our troops home instead of finding a way to extend our stay en mass. The popular CNN opinion seems to be that Obama seems too upbeat about that. What would you have him do, give us the gloom and doom speech and hang his head? He's making the best of a non-perfect situation. Anytime we can get our sons and daughters home, I call that a win.
Here's a theory: there WERE WMDs in Iraq; we went in and got them. We couldn't SAY so, because we SOLD them to Iraq in the first place in violation of treaties – we went in to clean up our own mess.
As I said, it's a theory.
Because, to follow the cynic theme, we have done nothing to demand it! We, the people, did nothing when the war was started. We did nothing when many of our rights were usurped, tax dollars were spent and conditions, cultures and lives of the Iraqi's were dismissed, all in the name of "national security". There was no outcry, no persistent protest visibility and no bravery exhibited by the people WE elected. Perhaps if we don't demand transparency, honesty and vigilance of our selves and those we elect, we can't expect those qualities of our government!
Oh My God Jack...what courage to say our emperor and the emperor before him are and were naked. Iraq, Afghanistan what we are fed is for mushrooms not intelligent humans.
Eat soylent green. Wear your blinders. Government always knows best.. especially when it pertains to taking your hard earned money and spending it on useless overpriced military contracts designed to funnel cash to 'friends' and guarantee a cushy post-presidential retirement as an unofficial advisor' of said companies.
On the marriage issue.
The seed of traditional family deterioration was planted in WWII. Men were sent abroad for years at a time and the family chemistry was disrupted. Gender roles were disrupted. Women were not seen dependant anymore. And we've become extremely liberated. "Why buy the cow if the you could get the milk for free?" Men came out as the winners here.
Just google "Trans-Caspian Gas Pipeline". All will be revealed.
If we don't control the world's oil, our way of like can be destroyed. It's very simple. I'm not for it , but I do comprehend it.
The US should bring home its troops from everywhere. The US should impose high tariffs on all imports. The US should not allow outsourcing of labor. It's time we looked after our own welfare, not the world's. If we don't do these things, the US will go down the tubes like ancient Greece & Rome.
Jack – OF COURSE, we know the war was dumb and unnecessary. Some of us knew it a lot sooner than others. However, it would be cruel for the president to remind us of that now that the damage has been done and especially cruel to tell the returning military that their sacrifices were for nothing. Have a little compassion.
Jack, Americans can't handle the truth. The Iraq war was never about WMD, it was an opportunity for the US to stir up trouble between sunni and shia; only to turn around and tell the sunni world, "you need us to protect you". The arabs/sunni weak, corrupt and undemocratically elected leaders didn't disappoint, they fell for it. Bahrain, UAE, KSA, and Kuwait, all have either brought weapons or renewed contract for the US army to stay on longer.
I agree Jack. What happened was a lot of hogwash. And I really don't get it. Obama was running on ending the war immediately. Most thinking people know you can't just pull the plug on something like that. Then when in office, he got some badly needed on the job training from people who really know something and then he seemed to adopt the war as his own. Why? Tthis was never his war so why did he not end it sooner rather than later instead of adopting it? This time table is not much different that what the predecessor adminstration was following. Good question Jack – it deserves an answer.
Jack why are you asking this question now when the President is getting us out of this ill fated war. Why don't you ask Bush, Cheney and their cronies that question. What do you expect the President to say? We have to save face somehow and put the best spin on this story. How do you think All those soldiers families would feel. If he told the truth. By the way, my son was in the first Gulf war and was deployed three times in this one. He just got home this year from his most recent deployment. My Daughter and niece also fought in this war.
It is amazing how many people now say we were not told the truth about Iraq. Where were you nine years ago when all of this started. After 9/11 you all were eager to go to war.
We are leaving Iraq and we have done as much as we can do for them. We have patted ourselves on the back after shock and awe and after Hussein was brought down. Neither of these events stopped the fighting. The President is doing what he said he would do, Mr. Cafferty. If he did not you would be complaining then, too.
The real headscratcher is how a few men who are eating filet mignon nightly, the same ones that concocted the big lie, the cash cow that was the "war on terror" who pulled off the biggest con job in history over an entire population...haven't yet been executed.
Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean that you were lied to.
Jack, it is about time we give credit to Obama for cleaning up the screw ups George W, Chaney, Rumsfeld and company created. Since the "war" is brought to end, may be it is about tome to put together an independent committee to connect the dots to learn what and how the decisions were made by the above mentioned company. No one, including George W., Chaney, Rumsfeld, Rice etc, must be exempt from appearing and testifying before the committee.
President Obama clearly gave his thoughts on the war when running for office. However, as president, he is forced to take a higher road that continuing to point the finger at the Bush administration for being morons by getting us into the quagmire. He can bring that up when campaigning, but there's no reason to do it when declaring the nightmare to be over.
Huxley in Brave New World, predicted that there would be a time when the government would give people access to lots and lots of news...and we get that...we know who's divorcing whom, what's happening to Lindsey Lohan...and lots and lots of nonsense. However, we no longer get real news. We're just pacified with the pap...keeping us confused and oh yes, always scared. The thing I'm becoming afraid of is the government!
Why? Because American democrazy = imperialism.
Halliburton...Altho they've changed their name how many times now? Hard to imagine what American taxpayers are paying on this. We know it's unbelievable.
Cafferty, why are you constantly criticizing and putting down Obama? This recent comment about how we lost the war and Obama is making a big thing about pulling troops out! HE KEPT HIS PROMISE TO BRING OUR TROOPS HOME FROM IRAQ! What you fail to mention is that this war was not begun by Obama, it wasn't his war, he inherited it from Bush2 & Cheney. Cheney who by the way profited for his company, Halliburton, billions if not trillions from the company he headed and had the majority of contracts with the armed forces in the Middle East. You fail to mention that this war was won, Saddam was brought down and brought to justice, where the world courts found him and his regime guilty of crimes against humanity! You fail to mention that we were supposed to pulled out last year, and now that we are pulling out, you go on the warpath blaming Obama for something he didn't start but completed, and kept his promise! If you need to blame somebody, blame Bush2, Dick Cheney, the Republican Administration under him who stole 1.7 trillion from the Social Security Trust Fund to his massive tax breaks to the rich and corporations and fund his endless wars in the Middle East! Thank You President Obama for finally bringing the troops home, and keeping your promise. Thank You for getting rid of Osama Bin Laden and the other terrorist criminals that have been eliminated, thanks for a job well done!!
Thank you Jack for having the courage to state the obvious. The good ole US of A reminds me of the Klingons on Star Trek. They never saw a war they didn't like.
We lost this war. A war we should have never started. Now what are we going to do with the troops coming home? Here's a thought! Put them to work rebuilding our infrastructure. WE continue to pay them as if they are deployed but at least this country will gain from it instead of everyone else. New schools, roads, airports and maybe even a highspeed rail across the country. What a concept!
Same old thing all the great wars were about the same thing,history has a different take but really:the battle between the classes.At the turn of the century we had a middle class and world peace looked doable .The powers in control don't see a world that has order to there liking; did what they can to make it what it is now.
Would anyone care to guess how long it will be before our "partner in peace" Iraq is shelling the Bush Palace on a daily basis? Anyone who thinks the war is over, has not been paying attention.
Can't you just see the response if Obama hadn't praised the return of troops from Afghanistan?? Can't you see that he needs a good rapport with troops returning from Iraq so that he can continue to be a reasonable commander in chief for all US forces, including those now in Afghanistan? The sound bites he will gain from lauding the US military effort on his watch will more than compensate for opposing our continuing engagement in Iraq, and will sit well with his overall performance as commander in chief. Unlike the Republican prediction – that Obama would allow the US military to tuck its tail and run from any engagement, he has shown a willingness to engage when overall US interests are involved. To have done otherwise would have led to the oft-repeated charge that Democrats are soft on defense.
Its about money Jack before the war started look at how much money from defense Contractors were given to Bush. People don't realize thatb there is Al Queda evrywhere if we would of went into Syria, Pakistan, Iran or any of the other countries we would of had the same result cival war. We went for oil and so Haliburtan can charge 100 for a meal, 100 for laundry and 50 for a siz pack of coke. Remember the old days when the military cook, transported things, did there own laundry, the Republicans turn the wars into a cash cow and now they want to start a war in Iran . I history no country has been occupied and been succusseful, just ask Russia about Afganstan. We need to use the money back at home, but I guesee the politicians wouldn't make any money, just follow the money, all decisions are based on money.
it was said best in the movie A few good men, and i quote- "the truth? you can't handle the truth"
I don't know Jack – I just don't know.
The truth is that the "our government" that you refer to is a front for our real government. Sorry about the vets, living and dead, but unless the power brokers choose and groom the soldier, he/she is cannon fodder. Period. We are heading for a real and well deserved disaster.
Jack- your comments about our government as it relates to Iraq are on target- Our elected government officials have been conditioned for decades to put a spin (Lie) on just about every topic or situation that commands the attention of the populous. I find this behavior disgusting, distasteful and immoral. If I may add; I am sick of hearing from our elected officials that they are not treated fairly and openly by the media. After all, it is the media that has the means and vehicle to challenge what each elected official or political party chooses to say. As average Americans, we have lost the ability to get to the truth.
To answer your question simply I would use one word..."inertia". Our government's internal culture is driven by elected officials and appointees that are , at best, unconstrained idealogues indebted to the corporate special interests and, at worst, opportunists that are equally indebted but see the U.S. treasury as their personal money train.The "way of doing business" in D.C self justifies..maybe they truly believe there own crap. Why tell or recognize the truth? Behind closed doors they itemize their balance sheets that tell the story of happy profits to the supporting corporate constituants CEO's and of retained opportunity for their individual offices.
Tell the truth!? Why should they feel the need?
We all know the truth. Certain powerful individuals used fear to manipulate American into fighting a war to make a select few richer. Something new for history. We let our anger about 9/11, and fear of "terrorism" blind us from the imperialism we fought a revolution to be feed from. We should never let it happen again. Don't fear death. It makes us weak, and apparently easily manipulated.
Whooo Hoooo We Won, We Won!!!
dumb from the start so it makes me really wonder about the intelligence of our country when they say Obama is so terrible and Republicans are so good. What good have republicans done for this country in the past 20 years??? nothing!!
Great article Jack! Spot on. Our "leaders" in this country are so full of arrogance and hubris, they go on like this is a monumental victory.
Oh, come off it, Jack! You should have asked this back when Obama started his term, and the MEDIA let Dick Cheney and his political allies stonewall ANY attempt to investigate what the previous administration had done. Only NOW with Nice Guy Obama in the WH do you DARE pretend you care about all the truths you DIDN'T ask about before. You didn't press Bush about WMD accusations until way after the fact. You let the Valerie Plame thing fade away. You let Bush get away with ABSURD casualty reports that didn't even BEGIN to give real numbers. But now all of a sudden you're Mr. I want the truth? Whatever. To answer your question, the govt doesn't tell because they KNOW the corporate media doesn't care enough to find out. That's why scandals get reported and real news doesn't: THAT'S the stuff you work hard to figure out.
We all know why we went into war. We all know who's fault it was.
We have an idea of how many lives were sacrificed for it, and we have
an idea of who "paid" for it as well as who benefited from it. The
important thing was to not have started it in the first place. The next important
thing was to end it. Obama has made both points clear.
If you want to waste a lot of money prosecuting those responsible for the
disaster (with no hope of getting anywhere), I suppose one could try that. But
there are much more urgent issues that need to be addressed right now and
the soldiers deserve to come home knowing that they had served for a reason.
This is not science where you only have to find the solution to the problem.
You have to find the solution to the given problem without creating new ones.
Of course they cant....Those that put us there cant tell the truth about anything...and as for now it's election mania again...we certainly won't be hearing the truth about much of anything for the next year. Maybe after that one of the Bush crooks will spill the beans but I doubt it...not in their blood to be honest.
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