FROM CNN's Jack Cafferty:
U.S. troops may stay in Afghanistan until 2024. That's 10 years later than when the U.S. has said it would hand over security to Kabul.
But the British newspaper "The Daily Telegraph" reports that the two governments are close to signing a deal that would allow thousands of U.S. troops to stay in Afghanistan for the long haul.
The reason we went into Afghanistan – Osama bin laden – is dead. The U.S. economy is collapsing under a mountain of debt. We are either unable and/or unwilling to fix our own financial problems.
So what exactly is the point of dumping billions of additional dollars, not to mention human treasure, into Afghanistan?
According to The Daily Telegraph, this agreement would allow both military trainers and U.S. special forces and air power to remain in Afghanistan until at least 2024. Top officials for both governments reportedly say they want to sign this pact before December.
No surprise that Afghanistan's neighbors – like Iran and Pakistan – are none too happy about the prospect of American troops staying for at least another decade.
It's also likely the Taliban would reject such a deal. They've said all foreign troops must leave Afghanistan before they'll negotiate with Hamid Karzai's government.
Meanwhile, U.S. troops have already begun withdrawing from Afghanistan to meet the 2014 deadline. Earlier this summer – President Obama announced that the 33,000 additional "surge" forces would be home by next fall... and the 2012 election. Back then, Mr. Obama said that it's time to "focus on nation building here at home."
Once the surge forces withdraw from Afghanistan, that would leave about 70,000 U.S. troops.
Here’s my question to you: U.S. troops may stay in Afghanistan until 2024. What's the point?
Tune in to the Situation Room at 6pm to see if Jack reads your answer on air.
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There is no point: just the hubris of a political and corporate class that sees profits and expansion of the American empire at the expense of Americans, both in lives and freedom. Which leads to the ultimate answer: Ron Paul in 2012. He'll end this charade...
Perhaps combating the Taliban and precluding a breeding place of extreme terrorism is pointless; more likely it is hopeless. The jpoint is: it is our business, as it was in 2001, and will be in 2024.
Politicians aren't smarter than a 5th grader. Especially in math. That's the point, Jack.
Hi, Jack .We can't change the eventual outcome if we stay 50 years. Bring the troops home now and use the money to help them and all of us get jobs. That means bring the credit card home, too.
If you recall, Eisenhower warned about the Military Industrial Complex before he left office. What did he know? Makes you wonder who is in charge these days. The companies and their executives who make filthy amounts of money controlling our government, even writing our laws to fit their needs? What's a few, or few thousand, lives compared to the profits gleened from war? We've truly lost our way when greed rules every aspect of our lives, from war to the education of our children. God help us.
its all about training illiterates to be police , while giving them guns ,so they can secure the poppy for the north europe and north american pharmacuetical companies..History is repeating itself and u.s. govt officials are driving the demise of our country with nation building for heroin junkies...we are dumping billions to prop up perceptions of democracy.
i don't think that there is any reason for our troops stay in afghanistan, for one, there is no point for them to stay that long. Two, there is just no point in doing so.
thanks for your time!
I take your sarcasm Jack, there is no point, except to keep feeding arms manufacturers and private contractors to make improvements to a country that does not produce a thing except poppy shipped worldwide for manufacturing illicit drugs. But then I recently read there are valuable minerals in their ground, and no doubt the lobbyists are busy twisting arms to keep us there for free protection. Sick, mean and fraudulent foreign policy, period.
The point Jack is to keep the wheels of the military-industrial complex well lubed with green grease insuring green will continue to flow into campaign and party coffers. On the bright side it is the only form of government back job creation the tea bagers, republicans and democrats are currently willing to spend money on thus keeping the unemployment picture from appearing on Night Gallery.
To protect the opium harvests for others interests.
The longer America stays in Afghanistan the longer the instability will last. Right now America is buying it's way with billions of dollars in goods and services. Essentially America is building Afghanistan while it's own economy and country crumbles. Pouring money into a corrupt government that can not be trusted and who's two largest sources of income are Americas war on terrorism and opium is a bad combination. It is time to bring our troops home and let the Taliban negotiate with Afghanistan. Like it or not that will be the end result.
The point is that the military industrial complex makes the average Joe think that there is a valid reason for this war besides the looting of Afghanistan's vast mineral riches like Lithium which used to power our iphones and Ipads under the pretext of the War on Terror.
The point is they are staying there to protect Corporate interests. I think the global corporations need to either pay the USA taxpayers for security or hire private security instead of using our troops.
Sue R, Bluffton, SC
There can be no reason we should be there . It is time to let them handle their own affairs. Pull out by the end of 2012 and stick to the time frame. Oak Hill West Virginia
If we didn't have so many chest thumping GOP politicians trying to portray Democrats as "soft" on defense, terror or patriotism, we could leave a lot sooner.
Thankfully, with the death of the Somali pirates, the death of bin Laden, and the imminent demise of Kaddafhi, all under Democrat Obama, maybe we can stop political posturing from pulling our military policy too far to the right and keeping us embroiled in fights long after they should be over.
There is no point. It's a waste of American tax dollars and, even worse, American lives. Our "leaders," so-called, must be on drugs.
Oh, I get it. Look on a map and you will see it, too. It is to keep tabs on Iran, China, and Russia all while saying that we are trying to eliminate the rest of Al Queda. A genius strategy that still doesn't place jobs in America.
The point is to prove we have even less sense than the Russians did.
Jack: What's the point for staying in Afghanistan until 2024? What's the point for being there in the first place? It's a terrible situation. The insurgents cannot win the war militarily as long as the U.S. stays there in force. And we can't win the war ... without there being a real "political deal" ... and that is getting unlikely."
The point is America has spent the last 50 years building a military colossus way beyond what Eisenhower warned against in the 1950's. This behemoth must be fed and just like with many obese people today, the Pentagon can't stop the feeding frenzy either.
Sad and pathetic.
At some point, you have to be able to say, "We've done everything we can for you over the last 10 years. Now you have to step up and take care of yourselves."
There's nothing more we can do for them, and we can't afford it anyway.
The point is that the military industrial complex wants to continue to fleece the taxpayers. We have bsolutely no business there.
I've traveled and lived abroad. I love my country but like so many non-Americans, we hate the American government in WA DC. They are clueless when it comes to foreign affairs. People of the world don't want American intervention into "their" private affairs, including turmoil, civil wars, etc. It's the ignorance and stupidity that keeps prevailing from both parties. Vote R. Paul in 2012 and end American imperialism.
The Afghan farmers need the help bringing in the opium crop on time.
What's the purpose? Energy dominance. We can't dominate the world if we don't dominate the worlds access to energy and Central Asia is a major part of this equation. Domination doesn't mean we occupy every country in Central Asia of course. Like the Middle East, it only requires the US to occupy one country that can be used as a spring board to invade other countries should the need arise. Of course the thinking is that with the US military not far away Central Asian countries will submit to American rule by fiat in order to avoid the accompanying devestation that comes with US military intervention. It will be a major component of America's "Grand Strategy" in the 21st Century.
Well you can't really bring all those soldiers home and plunk them down in a country with 9% unemployment. Gives new meaning to the shipping american jobs overseas mantra, doesn't it?
Jack maybe I am just stupid, but for life of me I cannot understand why our gov't insist on staying in Afghanistan. Especially after you look around at what is happening in our own country. The money we are pouring into Afghanistan and Iraq we desperately need here. I would love to hear some politician explain to me in words that I'm capable of understanding on why we're still in Afghanistan and Iraq? I am with Ron Paul on this one. We need to stop being the policemen of the world and start taking care of our own country which desperately needs to be taken care of immediately.
I suppose so the Military industrial Complex can squeeze every dollar they can out of the taxpayers, Jack. I can't think of any other reason. Their lobby is listened to more than the voters are. My feeling is the end of military involvement should have started the day after Bin Laden was killed and completed as soon as safely possible to get our troops out safely. No country has been able to tame a basically tribal country EVER – our leaders should remember this fact when making military decisions in this country.
Our military is bleeding us dry, not the entitlement programs. We have 93% of the nuclear weapons in the world and our military budget exceeds the budgets of all other countries combined. In addition, you don't fight terrorist with conventional military tactics, its all about intellegence and special ops. Obsession with military dominance in foreign countries is exactly what precipitated the decline of the British Empire. We need to wise up.
It is an attempt at nation building. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. (Santayana)
There really is no point in staying, Jack. Unless you're a Defence contractor and you're busy ripping off the US tax taxpayer for tens of billions of dollars each month. I thought I read that there are oil piplines coming from the old Soviet Union that travels through Afganasitan. If so, then there's no better reason to stay........ We need a President w/a pair. And no! Not another Bush, clown either. I mean clone.
tampa, fl well if we didn't get all of our troops out now, what excuse would our leaders have for closing the many military bases here in America, which stimulate our economy? How would those Afghanistan's be able to buy a new camel or marry another wife every year without our billions propping up their economy?
U.S. troops should have been out of both Iraq and Afghanistan on 30June 2011.The United States has absolutely no business being in either country. The United States invaded Iraq which was based solely on lies told to the American People and the world. Iraq has cost the American people over One Trillions Dollars solely on borrowed money which is part the the National Debt. By the way, Who in Congress voted for the funds to go to war (Undeclared).
Stay in Afganistan till 2024 youv'e got to be nuts.
Lets get the hell out of there now!
Stop spending my tax dollars on war. Spend it at home on roads bridges and education. PLEASE!!!!
MIKE LARGO FLORIDA
Has Obama's administration mentioned what month in 2024 they would propose to withdraw our troops? I think they should do it before the weather gets too hot. Actually it won't happen because America will have gone broke long before 2024.
Gary in Scottsdale, Arizona
To be optimistic, US troops are still stationed in places like Europe, Japan and Korea where allied forces were successful. Maybe the point is to again claim a victory of sorts.
The painful point is that it keeps >100,000 American servicemen employed and countless others employed in manufacturing / delivering the tools and supplies to the war zone. Undoubtedly the economy couldn't guarantee them other employment right now no matter how expensive their current job is. I expect they'll come home once we have a plan to have them guard our borders and coastline or repair or build infrastructure like bridges and highways – a modern day WPA.
It's a planning number that assumes no progress on either building a civil society or creating borders where it can evolve on its own. Wes Clark could negotiate our way out sooner.
Keep an Embassy with 100 people, an Embassy Guard of 500 Marines, a Drone Base with 1000 armed Drones and 400 Drone Jockeys, and 9,000 emergency military in Kabul. That's about 10,000. This will allow bringing home 96,000 personel at a taxpayer savings of $96 billion a year. Collectively the group can smash the crap out of any terrorist that moves, with the assistance of the regular Afganistani police, of course..
The point is there is no logical point for any of these wars, I guess we could ask the guy who started them in the first place
but the last time we attempted that it got us nowhere but this is not the first thing that our government has done that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and I'm sure it won't be the last
There is no point. Afghanistan will never be a stable country. Why are we building schools there when our own here at home are in deplorable condition? These wars are bankrupting our country. Our troops have done their jobs. One more dead soldier is one too many and too high a price to help the bottom line of the private companies earning billions off these wars. In 2008, Mr. Obama promised to bring our troops home and then after his inauguration he seemed to lose interest in the idea. As Commander in Chief he most certainly can say, "Enough. Bring them all home." Now that would be a change worth hoping for, but instead Afghanistan has become Mr. Obama's VietNam. Mission accomplished - Bin Laden is dead and no one can ever get all of his followers. Common sense - something sorely lacking among our elected representatives. Maybe if they all had children in these wars the situation would be different. God bless our troops.
There is no rational reason for US troops to be there today. The leadership in Afghanistan seems to dump on the United States at every chance the get.
However, there is one important fact to consider. Who else is stupid or naive enough to protect the Chinese workers, for free, when they start to mine the riches in the Afghan soil?
The point is.......the politicians are running the war....and NOT the military.
If I were the commander in chief, our troops would be headed home, tomorrow, or we would be putting a lot more military action into play.
I have no idea, really.. You're the news guy Jack. There has to be a reason which the general public and the news media are unaware. There is no reason to stay there. You know that old T-shirt about boats that had a cartoon of a guy pouring money into a boat shaped shadow in the water. The caption read "A boat is a giant black whole into which one pours money" Well that is Afganistan. Just substitute the word "boat" with "Afganistan" and the word "one" with "America". Hey, what a great idea for a tee shirt!
Stay in Afghanistan, why? Is it possible our war hawk leaders have ingested too much from the poppy plants? We are not into nation building; yet, from George W's charge of the light brigade into Iraq to our present day status in Afghanistan hawks in the military, Congress, and the administration seem to think our children turned into soldiers need to return to America forever destroyed by these Crusaders.
Joe, Binghamton, NY
Jack, the point is–the crooked politicians need another thirteen years to pocket as much of our money as possible, and they also need more time to make sure they have done everything possible to keep this country from prospering. Unemployment is not at 100% yet, so give them a break. Politicians know best, and It's part of their plan to continue to send our tax dollars to foreign countries to make sure we the people will not survive. They're like vultures, just circling around, waiting to see how well they have succeeded.
There is no point to stay that long. We need to leave as soon as we can. The people of Afghanistan have had more than enough time to handle their own affairs. If they do not want to then we need to just leave and let whatever be their fate. We should not try to mold every country and people after us. Just let them be themselves and live with what they deside.
I don't know, Jack, what is the point. What a colassal waste of our money, is it just because we are making the rich Americans richer with government contracts? What do we have to do to stop this insanity, when is someone in Washington going to listen? I never thought I would say this, but I am very close to willingly giving up the right to an abortion to vote for Ron Paul, he seems our only chance to end these wars.
Jack, good question!!! With our economy in the tank our government could use the billion or so a month we are spending in Afghanistan and Iraq to bolster Social Security and Medicare!
Iraq should have never been a war, Bush could have killed Sadam like Obama killed Bin Laden and saved us many billions of dollars! AND, the president of Afghanistan seems to not be on the same road as our government with his negative comments so let’s bring them home now and let their leaders fend for themselves!!! Maybe they will appreciate our help when they discover they need it!!!
Dan K Owens Cross Roads Alabama
There is no point, Jack. The Afghanis see this as continued colonialism and will fight it until the bitter end. If we leave on our own terms, we send a powerful message that if terrorist camps re-emerge, we can quickly wipe them out. We should have declared victory after getting bin Laden and simply left. Now, all we are doing is adding to our debt, and for what? We prop-up an unpopular and corrupt regime with money borrowed from China and the blood of our most precious American resource - our young men and women.
Afghanistan until 2024; is this for the nations security or job security? What might be in Afghanistan that would pull us into a long term military engagement? Is there a Plan? Is this just a diversion? This just raises up a multitude of unanswered questions and deepens the ongoing political confusion in Washington.
There is so much we don't know about the region and why are really there but it seems to me that money is at the root of this occupation. What we need to do is find out who is profiting from the war, and then tax the cr_p out of them. A reverse war tax might make it less likely for the Military Industrial complex to push unnecessary wars. And if the companies profiting by the war have set up off shore co's to avoid tax, then lets close those loop holes as well.
If troops are to remain there until 2024 Congress should operate from Kabul. My guess things would start to move in Congress and Afghanistan matters would be wrapped up with in a month. Republicans would then have to demonize and concoct lies to invade another country to keep the merchants of death in business, all while lowing taxes of course.
Ron Paul has the right idea. Bring all our troops home from wherever they are: Iraq, Afganistan, Korea, Germany, Japan, etc. Enough is enough. We are not the world police.
another 13 YEARS in Afghanistan, Jack?
another 13 WEEKS is too long for that "Vietnam in the sand". their so called army and police force is just like in Vietnam where many South Vietnamese were "ARVN by day, Viet Cong at night". they will NEVER be trustworthy "allies" against the Taliban because their "tribal loyalties" will always trump their loyalty to some central government backed up by a foreign army.
didn't we learn ANYTHING four decades ago? just ask the British and the Russians.
The reason for our "Extended Stay" in Afghanistan is so we can continue to "Test Drive" our high tech play toys like the Predator Drone.
The point is that U.S. will continue to spend trillions more in war while China will continue to lend till the economy collapses.
None. The Afghans have a history for thousands of years of not having a strong central government, why do we think their going to change their mind in 24 years. A couple of year after we finally leave they'll be right back to where they have always been, the stone age.
The point Jack, is that war is not about building things, war is all about destroying things.
The way we used to wage wars, when people knew how to wage wars, was that the first thing you do is you blow everything up...you force your enemy to surrender...and THEN you help them rebuild what we destroyed, just like we did to Japan.
And look at Japan today. It's a great country, and all because we blew it up and then helped them to rebuild it to what it is today.
We need to blow up Afghanistan...force the enemy to surrender..and THEN help them rebuild their country the way it should be.
I'm talking 3, maybe 4 years tops.
There IS no point. There was no point in starting a war in Iraq and hunting down Saddam, either. Bush started a campaign against him to divert attention from the fact that he could't catch Bin Laden. We're still paying billions for that fiasco AND this one in Afghanistan. If we are still in Afthanistan in 2024, it will not be Bush's fault anymore - much as I detest the man. This time it will be Obama's fault - because he promised to end these wars and did not. Instead, he let himself be bullied, and the American taxpayers are paying trillions for it.
Jack: The last date I heard was 2014. I think this should be enough time for Afghanistan to be it act together. Now, Senator McCain wants to stay there for at least 50 years, but most of the taxpayers believe the current timetable is fine. The United States does not like wars that last more than 5 years, historically speaking. The loss of lives on both sides is not good, but when a S.E.A.L. Team loses 20% of a team it is bad. It can only get worse the longer young Americans are targets for the Taliban. I vote no for anything past December 31, 2014.
Maybe a victory lap?
Jack I don't think there is really a point to staying in Afghanistan now. We got Usama didn't we?
HAVE you EVER SEEN AMERICA WALK AWAY FROM ANY WAR?, we are the peackeepers of the world,and not all want to have what America has. Men of war will always fin war,but the cost is out of site,and the men and women that we sent come home in body bags or caskets is Americas great loss,congress doesn't fight the wars and they don't die from them. turn war around into [real peace] and you will see a differentAmerica
There is no point of us staying in that hell-hole for another day. It's a corrupt government that exists solely on U.S. taxpayer money and the proceeds from drug production. It is also impossible to win a war in that terrain, as other countries have discovered, if only too late.
P.S. Get out now!
Maybe a victory lap? More likely to support the military industrial complex and their tax exempt corporate leaches. By 2024 the last middle class American should be paying the last in taxes on their last income from their last job. Then we will officially become another third world country seeking foreign aid from China and India.
There is no bloody point....
This is lunacy Jack. This nation has had over ten years to rebuild and put forth any progress towards legitimacy. Karzai and his cronies have failed miserably repeatedly. It is time to cut our losses and get out.
Hamid Karsai is not yet a billionaire so we must stay there until he reaches his goal.
The point is, it's pointless.
Jack, The U.S. will be there for a very long time, just like korea, germany, japan etc. there is just too much money to be made . If money could not be made we would be out already.
Can you say "oil pipeline"?
To keep the wars going so there is job security for defense contractors and those that profit from war. This will also provide job security for undertakers and disabled vets will suffer even more. Sounds like a real plan to increase defense spending for the Republican party.
Apparently, the point is to totally bankrupt America.
The Afghanistan government is one of the most corrupt governments in the world!
America must be bankrupted by sending taxpayers' money in support of: the corrupt, the criminal, the poppy heroin crops, the Taliban, and the bombs to blow up G.I.'s.
Medicare and Social Security must be cut, and then cut again to blow taxpayers' money in Afghanastan.
The F-22, F-34, and F-35 fighter programs (and who knows what other military programs) must be cut! But, just maybe with no military, America will get out of the Moslem Wars.
The U.S. should never have put boots in these Moslem Crusades. Put bombs–not boots on Moslem soil.
The point is that no one is concerned about America going bankrupted!
If and when America goes bankrupted–then Osama bin Laden and Sodom Hussein will have won from the grave!
The point is that when America's credit rating slips to BB, the interest will triple–and then everything will be cut except for interest.
I seriously wonder if Obama has gone mad. 2024 is crazy talk.
U.S. troops may stay in Afghanistan until 2024.
No way we need to end this war NOW. We are wasting the lives of our military and our national treasury in Afghanistan.
Bin Laden is fish food the war needs to end.
BRING OUR TROOPS HOME TODAY!
Well, Jack, since the previous Administration built one of the most expensive Embassies in the world there, I guess we're committed to putting troops and all the other folks to guard it - and keep our noses in Pakistan's business (make sure they don't use any more of our money to house OBL's family members).
Maybe we can pull the troops out of Germany, Korea, and a few other countries and rotate them in and out once in awhile. May as well get Shrub's money's worth out of that embassy. (turn sarcasm off now).
There isn't one. Now we just need to get the Government to understand that.
The point is, SOMEONE is making a LOT of money by our being there! It's alwats about the bottom line. Unfortunately, it is rarely about the country's bottom line.
If the American People sit still for this they deserve exactly what they will get. More casualties, billions spent in a country that is as near to the stone age as can be, and the hatred of the people of the region who see us as bullies and interlopers.
US troops won't be in Afghanistan until 2024. Anderson Cooper will bring the troops home ASAP when he takes the White House in 2016.
I'm a little confused...is it the liberals that want us to stay in afghanistan or the republicans...I can't tell the difference any more....in 2021 I am voting for the candidate that has enough backbone to say no more americans will die in that miserable dust bowl....americans are tired of war....politicians want to stay until 2024? you won't be able to do anything when you are voted out of office....is there a list of politicians that are in favor of this insane policy?
sadly this is about money$$$....want to know who....look at who is making all the profits...and look at the politicians that are getting contributions from these profiteers....there is no regard for the military and their families...you should all be ashamed of your actions...shame on you
Are they going to pay us for our security to "their" nation? Where is oil in exchange? I am so sick of the "occupation" addiction and world police attitude of my government while the US tax payers pay for everything. Our country is falling apart and again my government is more worried about other countries survival and security than the one they were elected to represent. (When they aren't on vacation, that is.)
sorry I meant 2012
The point is doublefold. Keep Haliburton, and the other contractors doing jobs the military did post-Iraq, profiteering off taxpayers. To hell with all the war deaths, both Iraquis and US. And to protect the Afghanistan minerals from other nations wanting it, but it may turn out like Iraq's oil. I hope US citizens protest enough to stop this scam. Eve of Texas
What's the point in having them there in the first place? They have been there for 10 yrs, and haven't won.So how can they win in another 13 years?
This is absurd. Why do Americans have to find out from a British newspaper that our government is planning on staying in Afghanistan until 2024? It is the American taxpayers' money and their human sacrifices that these politicans are making underhanded deals with Afganistan. Why don't they ask US HOW WE feel about this??? Send them all back home and elect a new group of elected officials that will listen to the will of the American people.
If that's what the government is planning on doing, then maybe we should give them a reason to bring them all home. I'm sure the threat of popular revolution here would have all the people in power scrambling to bring the troops home to deal with their angry people. We need to start massively protesting this governments actions, from its economic situation to its war policies. We should go march on the Capitol and the White House and the Pentagon. They did it in the 60s, and its time we do the same.
Exactly, what is the point? What need, or reasoning, is driving this. The job is done there, bring our people home and quit flushing U.S. taxpayers dollars down the drain over there. It's time we started to invest our money at home.
The point is Boeing, Lockheed, General Dynamics, and a host of other defense contractors.
There is no point. That's why we need to get Ron Paul into office. He's the only candidate that wants to bring home our troops ASAP!
Americas crooked politicians have investments in the munitions, weapons, military supply and hardware corporatmerica has bases for their corporate benefactors protection as they steal resources and lands.
It's called colonialism and its theft and murder as the Europeans and Americans continue to invade and manipulate weaker countries to enable their freebooters and corporations to steal natural resources and lands.
The reason you and other political pundits don't tell the truth is your parent corporations rake in the loot for being in collusion in the destruction of the American government
As in so MANY things these days, the point seems to be: demonstrating just how ignorant, incompetent, incomprensible and idiotic our leaders have become. I understood the Bush crowd staying in Iraq and Afghanistan – they had no good way out and just wanted to lmake the whole mess in someone else's responsibility – but Obama? I'm AMAZED that he doesn't see and stop the incredibly unnecessary daily sacrifice of American lives and treasure. Maybe he's leaving it for the next Republican President!
When I read about U.S. Troops possibly staying in Afghanistan until 2024, I became angry. So very angry. The United States has so many of its own problems that the President, Congress, and Senate should be focusing on. The money being spent on the war in Afghanistan (and Iraq) should, among other things, be going towards fixing our failing infrastructure, and towards paying off our debt with China. Oh, and paying back all the money Congress borrowed from Social Security. It's time our government put our country first.
The longer we stay there the more terrorism will rise. We have seen it before with our interventionist foreign policy. Expect more terrorists, expect more worries and expect more government policies and laws being created to infringe on our liberties in the name of "defense" if we stay there and nation build. Have we not learned from the Soviet's collapse after they tried to rebuild Afghanistan?
Here's a great idea Jack. Take them out of Iraq, Afghanistan, S. Korea, Germany, must be a few other countries. How long have we been in S. Korea? Sure, let's just leave now, why wait. Look at the money this country saves with no troops overseas?
I kind of like that idea.
The point is, someone with a pointed head has made that decision,
The point is very simple; money. The US taxpayer is a cash cow for the military-industrial complex which President Eisenhower warned us about. If you think they will let an easy trillion dollar income go away, I know of a bridge that’s for sale, it’s a real bargain. This is a can of worms that Bush/Cheney opened when they dropped the ball just before sinking it and, instead, went into Iraq. Half a century later we still haven’t learned our lesson and refuse to see the wisdom in Eisenhower’s farewell address. Clearly, Obama isn’t one of us.
There is no logical reason to leave troops in Afghanistan today, tomorrow or 10 years from now. Our involvement overseas causes many more problems than it solves. America needs a leader like Ron Paul who will bring our troops home.
During a July 2008 trip to Afghanistan, Obama chided Karzai for failure to promote good governance. "I told President Karzai that I thought that he needs to really focus on issues of corruption and counternarcotics and to counter the narcotics trade much more aggressively than has been done so far,..."
What has changed in our policy in Afghanistan since Obama took office? He, also seems to be shying away from our relationship with Pakistan in his speeches. How can we avoid Pakistan issue when discussing anything about the region?
Obama has failed miserably because if his inexperience in policy making as well as most aspects of leadership. Sermons do not equate the governing!
The point, as always in U.S. politics is MONEY. Somebody locally is making a killing on all the serious cash we're sending that crook Karzai. I think this is a blatant continuation of General Powell's corollary to Eisenhower's "Beware the military/terrorist Industrial Complex". All the false congressional spending limiters only concern themselves with stealing from the middle/lower class and keeping their "job for life" kleptocracy safe rather than address the foreign aid cash hemorrhaging.
Dale in MA
Hi Jack , the only point I can think of is for the profits of military contractors. If we were truly serious we would either put 1 million troops on the ground or blast Afghanistan into molten glass . Since we have done neither I can only deduce we have no policy for "winning" and no guts to declare victory and come home . WE could stay for another 100 years and Afghanistan might , just might , be in the 16th century at the end of that time . As a retired marine who spent 3 tours in Afghanistan and 2 in Iraq ( 3 if you count Dessert Storm ) I have no faith in our leaders to do the right thing !
The point is the United States will once and for all earn the title "war mongers". It's time to get out of the wars that are draining our economy and causing grief beyond belief in thousands of American homes. Afghanistan is not worth the ldeaths or maimed soldiers that it has caused. Sensible conduct on the part of the President and Congress has gone out the window. Is Ron Paul the only leader in Washington that knows we need to get out of these foreign wars? If he is, he may be our next President.
In 2001 we lost 12 americans in Afghanistan. THEN 49.48, 52, 99,98, 117, 155, 499, and this year alone 300. WE lost 59 this month and we still have 10 days to go. WE are not in to win but to spend money. When i came home from Vietnam I knew this country was immoral.I predict that you will sink step by step into a bottomless military and poolitical quagmire,however much you spent in men and money, Charles de Gaulle 1961. Well if you do not understand the history of Vietnam just look at Afghanistan
I guess the point is...our national security must have a plan they feel is of the most importance to both countries. We have had troops around the world in over five hundred bases, For some reason or another. If it helps to bring peace to a war torn country who asks for our help. Good for America! If we are sticking our nose uninvited it will come back to bite us in the butt.
There is no point. We used Bin Laden as an excuse to go to war there 11 years ago . We got Bin Laden, There is no reason to risk American lives another day. We own them nothing. It is time to bring all our troops home. I am a vet not some anti war liberal. I just don't want to go to more funerals. .
There is no point. That's why we need to get Ron Paul into office. He's the only candidate that wants to bring home our troops ASAP! Dighton, MA
This charade should have ended years ago–better yet should never have started to begin with. corporate Amerrica is lining their pockets with $$$$ due to this disaster while our troops and innocents pay the price with blood. billions of dollars lost. no end in site. who appointed us guardian of the world? we would be outraged if another country occupied us! bring our troops home NOW!!!!!!
there is no point in it or the madness that is going on in our government.. I have never been very vocal where politics are concerned... But even an old country girl like me can get it.
A new world order jack a new world order
NONSENSE!!! This is going to turn into another Viet Nam. It already has in fact. Stupid waste of lives and money. Let em have Afghanistan. The government there is as corrupt as any other Mideast government. Sucking us dry of money and lives. POINTLESS!!!
It's a rerun of the Vietnam War. Trying to impose a democracy by "pacification" on a country living in the 12th century and which could care less about nationalism. What a waste. Don't any of these presidents talk to socialogists before trying to transpose their values on others?
I Don't See No Point Anymore Now That Osama Bin Laden Is Dead, I Guess It's Just So The Taliban Doesn't Try To Take Over Again And That We're There To Help Protect And Rebuild Afghanistan!
Scott Stodden (Freeport, Illinois)
It's a jobs program Jack. It's jobs for military personnel and the defense contractors that make the weaponry.
Jack, this is pointless and a waste of American money and lives!! We need to get out of Afghanistan now!! Any money that is to be spent should be spent here at home!! Bring our troops and money home now!!
Saying Bin Laden was the objective is an over-simplification. The objective was, and still is, al qaeda. The fact that Pakistan and Iran are against our staying is enough reason to stay. As for the Taliban wanting us to leave before they will negotiate with Karzai is a little like a mugger saying he won't negotiate with his victim until the police leave.
I see where there are 31 comments before mine and more will follow. Quickly, the USA should stop being the .police man to the world as was the disasters in Iraq. The war against terrorism was necessary and Canada joined as others did willingly. Other countries are reducing or leaving. The UN should dispatch a peacekeeping task force of many countries to share the burden. Is that not what is required. Share and share alike.
No point. Look back over American history and count the number of times there has been a "point" to warefare. Stopping Hitler? ... of course. Stopping a communist threat in Vietnam? ... probably not. Looking the other way as a corrupt regime in Afghanistan, with little motivation to grow a backbone, grows rich while our soldiers die? ... Sometimes the question is the answer, huh?
At first it was for opium, then for the oil too. We chased Osama Bin Laden and his Al Qaeda. We spent our treasure on the arms merchants, mercenaries, contractors, and local warlords. Somewhere in the mix we paid our soldiers. You would think that would do. We greased palms up and down. Then we found the minerals in the mountains and we just had to have them. So, we will make our boys just sit there. We will take all that we can. The great game we play has always been in the mountains of Afghanistan.
As far as I can see it is a cynical ploy to continue to starve the beast by the GOP. With the wars going on and no revenue coming in their argument is to gut the US social contract and kill Social Security and Medicare because we are SPENDING way to much. I have lost all faith in either party. They don't work for the country and we are no longer a Constitutional Republic. This is how a Plutocracy operates. After all, there can only be two classes in a Plutocracy. The ultra wealthy and the rest of us. We cannot afford to be in Afghanistan or anywhere else anymore. Bring them home and cut the un-necessary spending. This country is being run by traitors.
Maybe the point is to prevent what would happen if we pull out prematurely. The Taliban would either overthrow Karzai or take control of his strings. They would be well-financed, once again, by the Afghan poppy crops. They would impose brutal laws on afghans, especially women, and they would likely join with what remains of al Qaeda to foment terrorist mischief in other parts of the world, including the U.S. We were never there just for the fun of it, Jack, and we didn't go in just to kill bin Laden. The mission was to take control of the country away from the Taliban, promote the establishment of a democratically-elected government, and support that government until it could support itself. If we leave too soon, Afghanistan could easily end up reverting back to 2001 and we could end up doing the last 10 years in that country all over again. Sometimes investments take decades to pay off.
Jack, you obviously weren't born yesterday. What's the point? Someone or a group of people have got to be making money of this war; just follow the money Jack, just follow the money, why ruin a good thing?
The point is that President Obama wants to insure that he is not re-elected and this is a rally good way to do it. I am going to do everything I can not to make the same mistake and vote for him again but not to vote for any TeaPublicans either.
Bucks big bucks Jack any one can figure that out except the retard in the white house thinks the American people are to stupied to figure it out . If you are a defense contractor your loving it.
Out. Now. I don't mean in 2012, never mind 2024. :Like by next Friday.And take everything we can that we brought in there out as well.I don't care what happens to Blackwater, Halliburton or any of their poisonous ilk, either. They wanna stay there let them. But not on our dime. Just bring our soldiers home safely, by next week.
None! Let me expand on that a bit...NONE WHATSOEVER!!!
Ed in Sacramento, Ca
Precious minerals that the United States wants to keep out of the hands of the Chinese we need to just do like Trump said and take possession of all the minerals .
I don't understand. Does Afghanistan have oil reserves I'm not aware of? Or is it the poppy crop we want a cut of? It certainly can't be to establish a democracy in Afghanistan! The current Afghanistan "government" is even more useless than our own. It certainly is far more corrupt. I hope!
Jack - there is no point. Afghanistan basically is not a country. Alexander the Great deliberately avoided it. Attila the Hun deliberately avoided it. Why are we ignoring history?
Joe in Delray Beach, Florida
None. I can't believe there is only one candidate in the 2012 race so far who actually wants to bring the troops home. And he's a Republican. I'm 23 years old and we've been bombing and occupying countries in the middle east for almost half my life. What kind of empire was I born into?
Well Jack President Obama already let us know what we think and who we elect don't mean Jack. Bush ran against Gore saying we should not engage in nation building around the world. We know what he did. Obama was anti war until he got in. Now we know he is a war monger just like Bush before him. Bush's daughters did not join the military and nor would Obama's. As long as it's someone else's son/daughters fighting the stupid never ending wars we are in, these politicians will ramp them up. Afghanistan will is closer Taliban rule today. Ten years after we went in spent billions of dollars and precious American lives and nothing to show for it. Our bridges are crumbling, schools crumbling, bad roads, unemployment growing, poverty increasing etc, etc. Simply stupid.
There is no point to it. We will never do what needs to bo done to actually win this war so we should just leave.
Jack, The obvious POINT here is that our President who is "so much more qualified" to be president than Sarah Palin.....has simply forgotten about his PROMISE to get us OUT by 2011 and has totally forgotten about VIETNAM. Remember that little skirmish, Mr. President?
Jack, the only reason we would still be there is if we elect the wrong president. There is only one candidate out there saying he will immediately withdraw. If he's not elected we only have ourselves to blame. Yet again.
Steve in Guam
Stability Mr Cafferty! Because it will take that long for the Afghans to support and defend themselves.
(Denver) Until World War II there truly was a non-interventionist spirit about America, a sense that our national identity was wholly contrary to the idea of empire. Granted, practice even then did not live up to this ideal (Native American elimination and the Monroe Doctrine come to mind). We are now so entangled globally that the warnings of non-interventionists appear as wise council now long forgotten. Yet, we broke Afghanistan. How can it be moral to abandon the Afghans to the terrible consequences of civil war? It cannot be moral. Moral choices are not open to us. Which immoral choice then is the lesser evil: to stay or to go? Sadly, we need to leave the Afghans to work out their own fate, and learn from our mistake. The old interventionists had learned from experience about foreign entanglements. We, as a country, moved beyond the time when anyone could remember those experiences. So we have had to learn the hard way from new experiences. That is necessary and part of life, but the point is, we must learn. Only one Presidential candidate has learned this lesson, but we're not allowed to say his name.
This is the new Republican medicare Part D plan. The point is, we need the drugs.
No way should we stay until 2024. We've served long enough. Our soldiers need to come home and take care of their families and our country who appreiciate them.
Ask Ron Paul. He for sure has the answer I would use...
Jack, I like you more and more every day, there is a reason they only let you on the air for 30 seconds, you make too much sense to be on the air for longer, they have to fill up the air waves with pro war/nanny staters on every channel.
You are A breath of fresh air, BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW....FROM EVERYWHERE!
Why keep troops there? Because that is what empires do when they are collapsing. Destroy the middle class and have the rich get richer and everyone else trying to figure out how to eat, have people feel like they have not voice or that there voice does not matter, have leaders with no courage to fight the fights that need to be fought and fight those that are popular or don't fight at all, and stretch beyond your means, that is what the troop being there we can't afford them there and yet there they are.
Ask ancient Rome, Egypt, Greece, Russia, England, Mongolia, Ottoman and every other fallen empire about how we are doing things.
The point is, the US wants to keep control of the natural resources recently found in Afghanistan and the largest opium supply on earth. Thats why.
Can it have anything to do with the fact that Afghanistan is sitting on nearly $1 trillion worth of Lithium deposits? Afghanistan is the Saudi Arabia of Lithium and if America decides to stay overseas another ten years, then it would only serve as another example of the US invading foreign countries for natural resources while invoking national security
This is ridiculous and thank you for calling our President out on this one Jack. One of the main reasons he was voted in was not to radically change healthcare, it was because he wanted us the get out of the middle east and out of these useless wars. I say useless because OBL was not in Afghanistan, and Iraqi leaders just recently kicked out diplomats out of their country for asking for money back for helping them! Please figure this out for me Jack.
The point is a pipeline. Our presence is part of a geopolitical strategy to assure access to petroluem... study up on "The new Great Game." We will still need oil in 2024 and beyond, and the Central Asian Republics are one of the last "elephants".... untapped sources of oil. The oil needs to get to the ocean, and not through the Bosphorous Straights, or Iran.
Hi Jack – by 2020 oil will be more valuable than gold. I guess 2024 only applies to Afghanistan. Troops will be in Libya until 2030 and elsewhere in the oil rich areas until they are kicked out by the Chinese in about 2050. Long way to go in this game.
I'd say it's probably a safe bet that it's because it's a great opportunity to set up a military base in the middle east for show of force and if needed fast strike situations.
Sounds like a good idea. How much revenue can the USA make off of one of our biggest assets. Charge Libya, Syria, Iraq, and anyone else who needs our help.
Why US troops to remain in nastystan, it isn't oil, it's Lithium (Metal)
The point is to keep 28million people safe. The point is make sure that after going into another sovereign nation (emphasis on 'another), the United States plans on doing the responsible thing to ensure that the Afghan army is well-trained, properly assisted and on the road to becoming a reliable force able to protect the Afghan people.
Lithium, Lithium and Lithium. Oh yeah, and Lithium
Jack thats an easy answer. MINERALS and PRECIOUS METALS. Could the fact that we found more than $1 Trillion worth of untapped minerals be a good reason? I think so! At the end of the day, its all about money.
There is no piont. Those people are all crazy. Every day our soldiers are being killed. It has to stop. Karzai can't be trusted. He harbored bin laden for years. Bring all our troops back home and let Karzai deal with the Taliban.
This is outragious, keeping ANY US Forces in Afghanistan longer than possible will not benifit us at all. We are wasting money on a war that we cannot win and that no other country could win throughout history. Alexander The Great, The British, The Soviets, all before us have failed to win a war in Afghanistan and we have failed as well.
Why? the poppy of course. All is not what it seems, the obvious is camouflaged until forgotten.
The point is to have a bunch of troops already in the area ( combined with the ones in Iraq ) so that when our war with China begins, they'll be good to go right away.
Saint Augustine, FL
There is NO point to staying in Afghanistan another 10+ years. We CAN NOT afford to keep this policy of nation building, and keeping troops over seas. No one in Washington other than Dr. Ron Paul seems to understand this. The mission is done, thank you to all the men and women who have taken part in this giant endeavor. Time to bring everyone home and protect OUR borders! Enough is enough!
Insanity, pure and simple insanity!
What? Are you kidding me? What happened to getting us out for good? Ha, absurd. If you have any intelligence you will consider your vote for Ron Paul in 2012.
We need to be there for a few reasons, 1) stability, 2) keep a thorn in Iran’s side, 2) they got oil along with other needed resources. 3) Kill opium crops which can translate to heron in American cities.
Why is it we can take an 18 year old kid off a Kansas farm and in six months train him to do what in ten years we have not been able to train the Afghans ( or the Iraqis ) to do? We just need to get out. This is never going to work and we are suckers for staying there.
Jack if you cant see the point then you shouldnt have your own segment on CNN. Yes there have been garrisons in Germany and Japan for 50 years.There will be garrisons in Iraq and Afghanistan as well. This is the burden that the US must shoulder as the worlds lone bastion for real civilization. Someone has to do it....who you gonna trust France???
I for one am furious at this betrayal of everything we've been told about this conflict. Get us out of Afghanistan, or pay the price at the polls. We have greater needs right here at home.
Why does it need a point? All politicians need to do is say they have WMDs and then they go over there so that we can "Protect America" when in reality its a false statement and they end up killing thousands of American soldiers. American politicians are just power hungry people that think that America needs to be the International Police and they need to realize that they're hurting American lives.
I can't imagine Kabul or Mazar-e Sharif are any more dangerous than Detroit or Baltimore, so they might as well stay there. At least they have jobs, which is more than many of us Stateside can say.
They keep wanting cuts. Why can't they cut this? This bloated defense budget is killing us. It makes no sense to keep dumping money into this war while our country is falling apart.
There is no Point. But what's new. There is no point to Obama and his left handed deals. Where is Congress on this? Let Obama go and stay till 2024.
To surround Russia and take away Putin's ever growing sphere of influence. We have troops or missles in: Germany, Poland, Georgia, Turkey, Iraq, and Afghanistan. We want to establish and keep pro American governments.
Let's see, much of that region just happens to be perfect for the cultivation of opium poppies and cannabis indica. Since the USA has a vested interest in keeping both substances highly illegal, thus generating the self-perpetuating industry of drug interdiction, enforcement and incarceration, while profitting from the criminal side through corruption, we'll never leave. The Opium Wars never really ended.
Curt King, Curtopia
The point is Security for the region. The trouble with most people in this country, including you Jack, is you think short term and not long term. There are & will be Taliban & Al Quieda in that country if we pull completely out, like some short-sided Democrats want. The Yemen group & Afgan group would coordinate. Bush was right in going to Afgan & be aggressive to keep them on there heels. Think long term Jack!
Lithium, heroin and global position, oh my!
it means the Republicans don't need to cut educational spending, we're already stupid.
Obama campaigned on the promise of being the troops home. If he enters into an agreement to keep them there 1 minuite longer than his campaign promise, the point would be impeachment.
To use your point, the army bases in germany are used for deployement where? This measure is only to ensure that high-priority targets can be targeted easily in the entire region aswell as ensuring some stability during the transition. Any comparison to korea is unfounded as the enemy has been marginalized to a form unlikely to found a new state. The only reason you are still in germany is because it was closer to the USSR and now it is still closer to the Middle East.
The point is to keep enough of a 'spark' of fear, alive in Afghanistan, so that the American public can be manipulated by our government, at a moment's notice, to support an immediate agenda. If this sounds familiar...it should! Remember Iraq...?
The point!? How about EMPLOYMENT. What would the US do with all those thousands of people coming home to no jobs.
The point is so we can train and oversee the Afghan National Army. Besides it is most likely Special Forces, who are doing the majority of offensive for in Afghanistan.
The point is some mistakes take decades to clean up. If we espouse that our national interest is the promotion of democracy then we either stay until there is a democracy or we throw our national security strategy in the shredder and start from scratch. In OUR democracy political will establishes national policy. Maybe we should have thought about that and the consequences before we elected our last strategeric (spelling error intended) leader.
I don't care for the idea just as much if not more than most, but I believe it to be a "necessary evil". Bin laden may be dead, but his followers are not. They are still out there and still functioning as a terrorist group. Our only significant presence is in Iraq in the middle east. If we have a strong hold in Afghanistan we can function from two different points in the middle east. We also limit the territory for the opposition to operate.
-ENS Alexander F. Kelley, USNR-
The US is too broke to keep fighting,, and too broke to bring troops home (9.2% unemployment). Great women and men volunteer to serve this country. Wonder how many would volunteer to come home?
This sends a clear message to the terrorists and anarchists in the region that we have "reserved the right to stay" till the point we choose to leave. We hope this would be be much sooner than 2024
If instead we project a near term pullout date all the terrorists/anarchists have to do is to focus all their energy to rebuild their bases during the post pullout period.
So this is just a message to the enemy – so let's not blow this out of proportion during a time when people are worried about spending issues...
There is no point – The citizens of the US and Britain do not want their troops there any longer than is necessary. For once the government should listen to the people!
Jack...where's your corporate patriotism? How do you expect the weapons makers, ammo makers, and equipment makers to make a profit if U.S. troops pull out of Afghanistan?
Isn't it obvious, jack?! These long-term deployments around the world, unnecessary invasions and meddling in affairs across the globe are to benefit the powerful military contractors.. can you say "Halliburton?" ...I KNOW Dick Cheney can say it!!
I wonder whose behind this decision. Sometimes it seems we do not want to learn our lessons. Or this is supposed to be some kinda reverse psychology on the Taliban to get them to surrender. forget it!!! the people who pay the price for stupidity are the Afghans and the American soldiers fighting for our freedom.
The only "point" that the war in Afghanistan is proving is that our leaders are more concerned about 'losing a war' than they are of 'losing American lives'. It's things like staying there 12 years longer than needed that are why most of the people in the middle east detest the US. Staying only makes things worse in the long run.
Well now we finally get a look into our presidents plan to end unemployment lets make everyone part of an international army, and now he can vacation in the warmth of afghanistan at least until 2024!
Without a war, the U.S. economy will suffer a big hit, place millions of jobs in jeopardy. After all, WAR is America's primary export. I say get out of Afghanistan soonest, but protect the defense industry by designating and planning our next war with all haste!
The point "is" to spend more money. Government contractors can't make money off downsizing the military. Supporting troops overseas is big business. Remember the old days when soldiers peeled potatoes? Why have a soldier do it for free when a contractor can do it for $200 an hour. As soon as they started contracting out non fighting duties war became about profits. Let soldiers peel potatoes and dig latrines and stop buying the latest toys and see how fast they loose interest in wars.
there is some point. Osama's dead, so what, someone else is just going to take his spot and we'll be right back where we started. but we're not doing what we need to be doing, we need to bomb them. i know that sounds crule, but just picking out targets doen't seem to be working.
We have to. The same way we stayed in Germany, Japan, and Korea. We have to keep stability or do we let Taliban or al-qaeda keep running basic training for their new found soldiers. Same thing in Somalia. We need to nip that in bud before al-shabab strikes.
We can't stop gangs in this country but we fight international gangs in this modern warfare. The question is what happens after the "Arab Spring?"
the point ! A base in central Asia = control over Iran, 360 listening post, refuel base, offensive strke base to protect oil interests, continue training of Afgan "police". You need more ?
Believed another rising terror after Bin Laden. Also possible eyes on Iran and Syria. Making sure no big weapons like nuclear or bio come thru another country illegally. It is a good spot to eyes on Muslim countries from bringing another terror. Who knows. Also we need our oil too
The USGS found some of the richest ore deposits in the world in Afghanistan, including gold. That is the point. Just like oil was the real goal in Iraq and Libya. I am sure the CIA will continue to pay off the Afghan drug lords as well, like Karzai's brother...All while we lock up citizens here at home for using those drugs.
I swear I am going to slap the next person I hear saying our soldiers are dying for freedom. Every Amendment in our Bill of Rights is violated on a routine basis. The Patriot Act alone violates at least three of them. We are not free in America. We have been stripped of our rights by the corporate interests which own and control our government. We had better wake up and revolt, before these idiots start WWIII.
I guess the point is to have a permanent presence in the region. Its easier to launch an offensive when the target(s) is within range.
I suppose the point in someone's mind is that we can keep a close striking distance to Iran and Pakistan, and keep an eye on Russia, as well.
I, for one, think that instead of having our money and our military build roads and schools and other things over in the Middle East, we should bring them back and let them nation-build right here! WE need roads and schools and levees and dams, too! And they can teach our unemployed how to help them build houses, too.
US staying in Afghanistan till 2014? Seriously if this is true, then it's nothing like stiring the hornet's nest as the Taliban wouldn't take this serious one bit. Unfortunately, Americans have got a bunch of dysfunctional and unserious group of people as leaders who do not seem to understand what the American people wants, neither do they have a clue what the Afghanistan people nor people around the world wants.
Johnny Walker Adetunji-Adeoye, Lagos Nigeria
What for; because war is cheap. There is nothing more expensive on this Earth than peace. Try bringing home all those uniformed service members, not to mention the PMC Americans abroad, and you artificially double the workforce population of an economy that can't even support the people here already. No, there will be no withdrawal until at least 2027. Our current global economy cannot support it. The United States is not the only country that has an unlimited and secret defense budget. Get used to war being the next great job of our future.
There is no point. Our president will not be keeping his word to get us out. I will not vote for him again. This will mean I have to vote for Ron Paul as a write in.
The point is there is an immediate threat: We can see Russia from Alaska. Afghanistan is close to Russia. A former governor gave the President that information. He believed her.
Peace is bad for business.
Yarmouth, NS Canada
The point Jack? None, except the military industrial complex that Ike warned us about, continuing to run amok, and drain this country dry. During the cold war I used to scoff at remarks by our adversaries when they called us imperialists. I now understand that they were right all along.
You are right on point. We keep placing US troops in other countries and never pulling them out. WE have 55,000 troops in West Germany and there is no wall. We have 45,000 in Japan, but have to borrow money from them. We also have the endless South Korea protection 55 years after the stalemate. Now comes the middle East and the corruption and bickering of Iraq and Afghanistan. Are we going to protect their poppy fields? We can't afford Social Security and Medicare but we want to be the world protectorate.
Jack , you can take the average American young person and train him/her to be a soldier in roughly 26 weeks. If an effective Afghan Army can't be created in 10 years ........... it just ain't gonna happen. The Taliban will never be defeated . Afghanistan is their home and they want us out. Sad that when this entire mess started nobody had read a book on the people of Afghanistan ... they do not quit , ever. Bring our troops home and stop this constant bleeding of lives and money. We learned nothing from Vietnam.
The point is to transfer even more wealth to those who are in the business of war and oil. Why can't Americans realize our foreign policy and monetary policy are bankrupting this country? We must elect honest leaders who believe in liberty. Support Ron Paul in 2012. He is the only candidate that will bring our troops home and attempt to stop the Fed from ruining the dollar.
I am speechless. What happened to Obama's 16 month plan? What are we doing in all of these foreign affairs. Now you tell me 2024 we will be out? Why are we as the American people suppose to beleive this? I will be voting for Ron Paul in 2012, he has a record you can count on, and he says they will come home on day one!!!
the only point I get out of this action is "WORLD DOMINATION" the US has to rule the world, GET OUR SOLDIER BACK HOME
What is the point for any war?
We romanticize and speak of honor and valor and courage. We speak of fighting evil and protecting national security.
These are but labels, these are but justifications that have no end and no meaning to allow others to conduct war.
42 years after I left my more than my honor and valor in a rice paddy in Vietnam, I realized that the only way to fight evil, the only way to let go of fear, is by the absolute truth, and since World War 2 every war has been fought with lies.
So what is the point?
Having served in Afghanistan and the anti-American-NATO attitude of President Hamid Karzai, we have completed our mission, it is time for the to leave. We have dealt with Al Qaeda with the decapitation of their leadership, mission accomplish. The Taliban is an internal security problem, that this president should deal with, as he has done nothing to end corruption within his administration with a vast amount of US taxpayer disappearing into this morass. We do not need to loose another American young life into a quagmire with no end date.
Jack, I once spoke to an Afghani visiting our country. While talking, he posed a very interesting question. He asked me, "If the United States was occupied by foreign troops who told you what you could do and where you could go, wouldn't you want to do everything possible to get rid of them?" Of course, my answer was yes. If we look at things from the point of view of the Afghanis, there is no point in our staying there. Now here's the kicker... this Afghani worked as a translator for our troops. He was grateful that we got rid of the Taliban, but he was adamant that he wanted the US to leave, even if it meant more years of civil war. If someone who LIKED the US wanted us out, then again, the answer is there's no point in staying!
It's about the money. Companies like Halliburton rake in our tax dollars via the Dept. of Defense, and it flows when we invade, and for extra profit, stay there after its over. Like Germany (I think we got Hitler), Japan, etc. on and on. Lots of propaganda $ is spent to keep the tax payer quiet. Like 'support our troops'. If you want to support them (and us) bring them home.
It's a waste of US life and resources. In time Afghanistan will spit us out just like they have the Greeks, Persians, Turks, British and the Soviets. We should pull out and leave a skeleton corps of trainers and special operations personnel to keep watch on the remaining Al Qaeda riff raff.
NO NO NO No Nevah!!! We have lost too many lives already. We can not get out of that sand pit soon enough!!!
Some body needs to knock some sense into our elected leaders. Can't they hear us???? Let them all go to what ever government they want, we are really hubris if we think we can impose our values on others in this world. Here's an idea, let' us intervene on our own behalf, create jobs etc... Good LUck America!!!
troops are being kept for additional 10 years because there may be a plan to attack Iran. And be ready because of Irans shady nuclear activities!!!!
It's all about the price point Jack, trillions of dollars to be made by keeping troops in Afghanistan and these war corporations have many lobbyists to make sure they have their way. In the meantime America's middle class is being wiped out by corruption and greed under the guise of austerity.
I guess we just have too much money left after taking care of our obligation here in this country!!! We are taking care of our obligations aren't we???
Jack its clear, to topple the next government in sight 'Iran'.
It's simple Jack, our troops are pawns in the political game of election year CHESS. Decisions to leave our troops there in the way of harm are all based on who will endure and take the presidency. I am a disabled Vietnam veteran, just think if we would have won the so called "war" in Vietnam, we'd still be there, pumping billions of dollars into an empty pit. Get the troops home!!!!!!!!1
I don't know the point and that's the point. Our country has been led into conflicts on the basis of progressively weaker narratives such that it's becoming ever more clear that we are not meant to know our own nation's true intentions. We the people are required only to service the mountains of debt incurred. By maintaining a shroud around the true rationale for our actions abroad our president is driving voters into the arms of the one candidate who truly believes our strong military should only be deployed in honest defense of our nation and her people.
The point? Somolia, Sudan, are breeding grounding for terrorists as well but we haven't put serious troops there. The military is a powerful, and expensive weapon, you wouldn't use a shotgun to shoot flies. Politicians like to show force however and they don't change direction easily. Besides defense contractors love this, and they fund those reelection campaigns.
The US is too broke to keep fighting,, and too broke to bring troops home (9.2% unemployment). Great women and men volunteer to serve this country. Wonder how many would volunteer to come home?
Afghanistan is centrally located to provide us with strategic access to current and future enemies of the state. Iran to the immediate east, China to the far east, and Pakistan to the south. Having soldiers there and more importantly having the ability to base and sustain an agressive intel network in the region wil be most beneficial.
U.S has not to stay in Afganistan until 2024. Because U.S.has already done a lot for recovering stability in Afganistan, by spending a lot of money and at the sacrifice of many U.S young soldiers. At this moment, Afggan people should try the best to maintain their government on their own. It is their own responsibility. We are staring keenly at how Afgan people maintain their regime.
The U.S has always proven to be the police of the world, but right now I think it needs to start thinking of how she could rebuild her dwindling economy. Staying in Afghanistan is simply a waste of tax payers money. Well, there might also be a hidden agenda to this pact, of which the US government would benefit immensely. What do you think? After spending billions of dollars in afghanistan and a probable extension of their presence of another decade, the US would be looking for opportunities to milk out some of the resources of that nation. Those I feel sorry for are the families of the soldiers who would remain in that country.
That's easy Jack; so the military industrial complex can continue selling weapons to both sides and control the world with its ridiculous greed! We should start investing in peace; not war!
All wars are political – We get in them because of politics and we will get out when politics allow it. We, as Citizens have little affect and that that we have works very slowly.
Afghanistan is centrally located to provide us with strategic access to current and future enemies of the state. Iran to the immediate west, China to the far east, and Pakistan to the south. Having soldiers there and more importantly having the ability to base and sustain an agressive intel network in the region wil be most beneficial.
I am Canadian citizen and even I wonder why we have troops there. Last time I checked all of the terrorist that flew the planes that hit the towers were from Saudi Arabia. I think we all in the wrong place.
P.S. I love how much money the American government wastes. We all get a kick out of it. We will be building a wall soon just like the US and Mexico. We are going to have to keep you guys out some how. Soon the US dollar is going to be worth less than the Paso. Good luck with your country by the way and please stay out of ours.
The point? Not even our politicians study history. America has been involved in the Persian Gulf and the Middle East since 1940. Obviously our Government wants to make it to 100 years of sticking our noses in everyone else's business to keep the flow of oil flowing. There is big money in arming, training, and fighting the same people we arm and train. The Defense Contractors and Weapons Manufacturers love it. Our politicians are simple minded pawns that have never studied history.
The U.S.pulled out too soon in the 80's. The point is that it doesn't want to repeat the same mistake, leaving a power vacuum. The paradox of it all is that the U.S. is supposed to be defending itself but the military is being diluted and the defense budget and financial prowess of the U.S. is being strained – all in a country no where near U.S. borders. Al Qaeda couldn't possibly have planned it this way, could they?
If we leave, there will be a power vacuum. Natural gas pipeline, rare earth metals, strategic location, blah, blah, all would be lost to whom? China? Iran? Whoever thought we could leave was, to say the least, naive.
This country won't look ever be what the US will want it to look like. We need to bring all the troops home and start fixing this country.
We as Americans are very forgetful when it comes to history and its lessons. Wasn't it enough that we abandoned them late in the 80's knowing that we with the CIA were working with Osama Bin Laden in order to get the Soviets out. Creating your own enemy is worse than meeting one. And now, that we finally have a better (not ideal) government in control, shouldn't we learn from our lessons and -not continue to fight until 2024- but stay as support in order to HELP educate, reform, advise and build so that we don't ever again have to wait in fear for a next generation of Osama Bin Ladens and Taliban fighters? To me we need to understand that the thousands of soldiers that will be left on the ground would never be enough to operate as combat troops, it's impossible, so we need to consider that maybe the Obama administration has Afghanistan's best interests in mind for such a decision.
Afghanistan won't ever look like what the US wants it to. We need to bring all the troops home and start fixing this country.
I'm not keen on our staying, but don't be simplistic. Afghanistan sits on a trillion bucks worth of mineral resources. Who develops and profits from them is of some concern to us. Also, it's good to have some forces in the neighborhood of Iran in case we need to act quickly there. Finally, the forces mentioned represent the tightest, most easily defensible configuration we can sit with, thus minimizing casualties on our side. In short, the cost to us is considerably less than the benefits, real and potential.
Grandpa Ned, Ph. D.
How could anyone not understand why we will be in Afganistan for another 10 years and policeman of the world foreever? The militrary and defense establishment lobby drarfs all other special interest lobbies in this country. No politician dares being named an ISOLATIONIST, DOVE OR LIVERAL WIMP if they want to get elected.
Garden City, Idaho
Oh come on Jack. MIC. Military Industrial Complex. Money. Its money Jack. That is the reason for the U.S.' military engaging in all of the prolonged wars–or as the bible reads–rumors of wars.
It's ALL ABOUT Islam.
Of course we will have troops there for a long time. We have troops in Germany and Japan and south Korea. They are thereto keep the peace and protect our embassy. The key is we will not have combat troops there after 2012. If we want all troops out then look to Germany first.
I'm still waiting to hear the point of sending troops there in the first place.
I think it would be cheeper if we left, and let our troops stay in America until...(3012 )......... and let those clowns over there kill themselves.
When America is reeling under the worst financial crisis in decades and millions are out of work, why are we still in Afghanistan at all, never mind until 2024? Congress must not remember the lessons learned from Vietnam – we gained nothing there and we will gain nothing in Afghanistan. We cannot win. We must be the laughing stock of the Middle East since we continue to pour billions of American dollars into a losing situation while our own country is struggling to avoid another Depression. It's just what they want!
As a former military brat (father 20+ years in A.F.) and wife of A.F. career (20 years) man, I have been writing for years about closing the many unnecessary bases all over the world! I saw what happened in Iceland, when I was privy to a meeting involving the M.O U.(Memorandum of Understanding) we had with that country. We spend billions on keeping bases in OTHER countries, building up THEIR economies, while ours crumbles. Bring the troops home. Close most of the overseas bases and just leave the embassies and a regional small force. Naval ships at the ready in certain ports. Open some of the bases in THIS country to help the surrounding towns and their economies come back. All military installations provide many civilian jobs. Use our troops to stand on OUR borders and protect them. Put the money back in America, and save American lives.
Jack, Obamma is Bush with black paint. Let us first end WW II and return troops from Germany Then we can work on Korea Iraq, Afganistan and the rest of the empire. The Romans learned that enriching the rich through empire building doesnt work. Lets be smarter and go to anyone who ends the empire amybe Ron Paul
I think Nate, in SC summed it up very well. To keep tabs on Iran, Russia & China, Pakistan, India. Remember atleast 4/5 of the countries mentioned have nukes. See a connection here?
Our troops were there for only one common reason(Osama). Thank God, our mission has been accomplished successfully. I think 85% of our citizens question to our politicians is "WHY????". They should bring our troops home to enjoy thier families. There is no place like home Jack !!....
Well we'd want the airbases there for when we invade Iran.....duh.
I think the point of staying is the same reason we stayed in the Philippines, and in Cuba, and Germany, and Japan, and South Korea. It is either for our "defense" or hegemony. Take your choice.
One reason only: Oil in the Mideast Country.
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