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How much does it worry you if both Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry have ties to Dominionism?
(LEFT) Rep. Michele Bachmann addresses a group in Iowa. (RIGHT) Gov. Rick Perry speaks to a crowd of 30,000 at "The Response," an event organized by Perry in Houston to pray for God to help save "a nation in crisis."
August 17th, 2011
05:02 PM ET

How much does it worry you if both Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry have ties to Dominionism?

FROM CNN's Jack Cafferty:

Forget about the separation of church and state... there's reason to believe that religion might have a whole new meaning for the next occupant of the White House.

The Daily Beast reports that two of the Republican candidates for president - Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry - are "deeply associated" with a theocratic strain of Christian fundamentalism that's called Dominionism.

For those of you who haven't heard of it before, and I was one who hadn't - stand by cause this is "out there."

The Daily Beast writes how Dominionists believe that Christians have a God-given right to rule all earthly institutions. Dominionism finds its roots in a small fringe sect called Christian Reconstructionism. People who advocate replacing U.S. law with the laws of the Old Testament, including the death penalty for homosexuality and abortion. swell.

The Daily Beast reports that both Bachmann and Perry appear to have ties to groups that support Dominionism.

Bachmann appeared in a documentary for one of these groups called "truth in action ministries." Also, she often praises or cites different religious leaders connected to such beliefs.

As for Perry, there's a group called "the new apostolic reformation" that sees him as their ticket to power. They talk about "taking dominion over American society" and hope that Perry can claim the so-called "mountain" of government. This group was also involved in Perry's prayer vigil in Houston a couple of weeks ago.

Critics suggest the Daily Beast's examples show so-called Dominionist groups attaching to the candidates.

And the website Newsbusters - which claims to expose liberal media bias - says that the Daily Beast "went a few more steps off the deep end" by publishing this piece.

We've reached out to both campaigns for a response but haven't heard anything back yet.

Here’s my question to you: How much does it worry you if both Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry have ties to Dominionism?

Interested to know which ones made it on air?

Pat in New Jersey:
Our nation was founded on separation of church and state. Immigrants flocked to this country so they could worship freely and without prejudice. As an independent voter, I would never vote for either one of them. Decisions for our country should be without religious bias. What is happening to this country, Jack? This is getting really scary.

Ivan:
As a Jew and a homosexual, I guess I should expect the federal funding for a national crematorium after 2012. Seems history could be repeating itself from 1939.

John in Gatlinburg, Tennessee:
Many things about Bachmann and Perry worry me, but not their dominionism. As one travels back through time, the correlation between applied Christian principles and this nation's prosperity becomes increasingly undeniable. Dominionism may be a bitter pill to some, but history suggests that it might be the most effective cure for what ails us.

Mark in Houston:
Doesn't worry me all that much what they think. As far as I'm concerned, they are both snake oil salesman at the very best. What is much more bothersome is that there are many out there who really believe this junk.

Kevin on Facebook:
Sounds like a Westernized version of the Taliban. Doesn't sound Christian at all to me!

Bud in Punta Gorda, Florida:
As a born-again Christian, it bothers me plenty, Jack… This Dominionism has nothing to do with my Jesus and His Gospel. It might as well be from Mars. It sure doesn't belong in Washington.

Linda in Middletown, Rhode Island:
Yesterday I was worried that Bachman and Perry could become serious candidates. Now I'm terrified.

soundoff (301 Responses)
  1. Bill, Harlingen, TX

    Jack,
    It bothers us very much.
    The Native Americans have it right – Harmony with and protection of nature, the sustainer of life on earth.
    Dominion is the essence of conflict – war. One winner all others loose. Not a nice way to live. Expensive too.

    August 17, 2011 at 1:17 pm |
  2. Peg from NY

    It concerns me a great deal. Separation of church and state is critical in our Country.

    August 17, 2011 at 1:21 pm |
  3. Barbara Leavitt

    Wow. Sounds like our own little Sharia law, To be frank Jack, it scares the hell out of me.
    Henderson Nevada

    August 17, 2011 at 1:26 pm |
  4. mike halter

    wow dominionism. i had to look the word up. what planet do they live on. this is 2011 not the middle ages.

    mike largo fl.

    August 17, 2011 at 1:28 pm |
  5. Ed Hoffman

    Just more dredged up scare stuff. it is not a main stream thing and would never be so in this country.

    August 17, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
  6. Rich in Gainesville FL

    As long as our elected officials carry out their duties in such a way that they uphold American ideals – and that includes separation of church and state, as well as each individual's right to worship as they please – then I really don't care what religious views they hold in their hearts. Govern as Americans and they can believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster for all I care.

    August 17, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
  7. Brian from, Fountain Colorado

    I fear that if both Bachmann and perry have Dominionism, that poor rationality with Dominionisom abates, and possible solutions for are economy are obscured.

    August 17, 2011 at 1:30 pm |
  8. lou

    Unfortunately this is why a lot of us have left the Republican party. I think it is just as dangerous to base our government on the Christian religion as it is for Iran to base their government on Islamic religion. It's hard to get the government to respond to the will of it's people when the leaders think they have the power of God almighty on their side.

    August 17, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
  9. Bizz, Quarryville Pennsylvania

    It doesn't worry me, it scares the hell out of me. That is why I would not vote for either Bachmann or Perry. They claim they want less gov't in our lives but then want to tell us how we should live our lives socially. To me that is way too much gov't interference.

    August 17, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
  10. Time Lord

    Dominionism is un-American and violates the letter and spirit of the Constitution and the core principles that America was founded on. It's clear that Bachmann and Perry want to establish an Iranian-style theocracy.

    August 17, 2011 at 1:33 pm |
  11. Joe Ft Walton Bch Fl

    Of course it does worry me. Dominionism is a theory of using religion to attain certain political gains and power. And as we know Michelle Bachmann's clinic to convert Homosexuals to heterosexual is but to control one group behavior to a better choice using the Bible. And Rick Perry calls for prayers has nothing to do with his Presidential bid. I think both of them should run a church somewhere and leave politics to politicians. I rather see my stimulus down here on this earth than a free ride to heaven.

    August 17, 2011 at 1:35 pm |
  12. Ralph- Corpus Christi, Texas

    Bothers me alot. God help us all if either are elected.
    Ralph-Corpus Christi, Texas

    August 17, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
  13. Wilhelm von Nord Bach

    VERY worried, Jack

    these so called "born agains", like the New Apostolic Reformation "ministers" that both Bachmann and Perry pander to, want to turn America into a Christian version of Iran. these people are the ultimate "WE Know What's Good for YOU" crowd

    IF these people ever get REAL political power, you can kiss freedom in America goodby

    and as a side note, when I hear these so called evangelist preachers, it sounds like they are quoting from the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition rather than the Holy Bible.

    August 17, 2011 at 1:43 pm |
  14. Bruce from CT

    The Christian version of the Taliban? Didn't we deal with this problem once already when we decided that the separation of church and state was a pretty good idea? These folks are dangerous and they should be treated as such.

    August 17, 2011 at 1:44 pm |
  15. Susan

    Very SCARY!!
    I suggest people read Robert Heinlein's novel Revolt in 2100 to see what a theocracy in the US could look like.

    August 17, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
  16. ronnie patrick

    Very much but not as much as having the both of them running for office. My God what is this world coming to with the Republican Party attracting all the crazy people oh I know the TEA PARTY.

    August 17, 2011 at 1:51 pm |
  17. Bobby E. Lahmon

    I would worry more about anybody who would vote for any republican especially this current crop of extremists an Individual's religious beliefs is his or her own business but the republican party in such a desperate attempt to distance themselves from Bush seem to have moved too far right to pivot back center in order to win a general election so my only concern is misinformed voters voting on their emotions instead of with common sense

    August 17, 2011 at 1:52 pm |
  18. jen

    It's a sign of either money worshipping and/or powermongering,and we both know its unhealthy for a continued 1sst world progress requirement., say no to unsustainable proliferation and monopolized consolidations from euroasia centric capitulation by the 2 party special interest govt

    August 17, 2011 at 1:56 pm |
  19. ron

    No matter what ties they have, they are both a danger to this entire country. For their own good and the good of our country and the people in it they should have their mouths sewed shut. Their remarks and innuendos are extremely out of order. We do not need anyone like them in our government. It has more than enough problems let alone them adding to them.

    August 17, 2011 at 1:58 pm |
  20. Clara, NM

    First of all, Happy belated birthday(according to Bachmann yesterday) to Elvis, Jack. That says it all for her.
    As for Rick "Yosemite Sam" Perry, He makes George Bush look like The golden child.
    There's no Dominionism to worry about here, Jack.

    August 17, 2011 at 2:04 pm |
  21. Greg in Arkansas

    I am very worried,
    "Flavoring" the United States government and its laws with "Christian Values" might seem like a good idea to some.....
    BUT NOT ME.....that concept is not working out very well in Iran where they have an elected president that is "guided" by religious leaders.....Do we really want to go the route with Dominionism where our constitution would be interpreted by biblical scholars?
    What ever happened to that notion of 'separation of church and state" our Founding Fathers talked about.

    August 17, 2011 at 2:05 pm |
  22. Kawaun Sankar

    They, of course, are entitled to their beliefs. But, it is important in our democracy that any candidate running for the highest office respect our Constitution and the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. Our ability to welcome cultural, religious, and philosophical diversity is a national strength and treasure.

    August 17, 2011 at 2:11 pm |
  23. John Walker

    Many things about Bachmann and Perry worry me, but not their dominionism. As one travels back through time, the correlation between applied Christian principles and this nation's prosperity becomes increasingly undeniable. Dominionism may be a bitter pill to some, but history suggests that it might be the most effective cure for what ails us.

    August 17, 2011 at 2:15 pm |
  24. Jk from Minnesota

    I wouldn't be surprised if they both have them, Jack. I personnal find them both very scary just based on what I've heard come out of their mouth-not whether they have alleged ties to a particular group. If either of them or heaven forbid they become a Presidential ticket together would be a total disaster for America in general and especially for those of us NOT in the top 2% in wealth and forget human rights – they'd go by the wayside. Gov Perry recently refused to give a stay of execution to a man whose case had gaping holes in it and turned out to be innocent after the man was executed. I don't want ANYONE in the white House that refuses to gather all the facts and legislate based on facts.

    I'm wondering what has gone so wrong in America to draw such a cast of characters to run for President.

    August 17, 2011 at 2:15 pm |
  25. Ken in Seattle

    It is greatly disturbing that we have two presidential candidates who believe in it, not to mention they are getting support from many in the Republican Party. In Perry's case a great deal of financial support. Have these folks not heard of the separation of church and state ? If they are willing to forgo this, one of the basic precepts of our democracy, what else would they dispense with if they achieve power? The Tea Party, to which Bachmann and Perry are also closely aligned, has shown itself to be intolerant of any but their own extreme and narrow views of how the country should be governed. Given the extremist views of the Dominionists and the Tea party thier political dominance could easily lead to the greatest erosion of our democratic principles in this country's history. Governance via religious extremism has no place in our democracy. We have seen the disastrous effect it has had on freedom elsewhere in the world.

    August 17, 2011 at 2:17 pm |
  26. Annie, Atlanta

    A lot. If they want to live in a theocracy run by people fueled by hate, I suggest they move to Iran. If not, stay away from government if you insist on force feeding your religion to the rest of us. It's private, and needs to stay that way.

    August 17, 2011 at 2:17 pm |
  27. Rich McKinney, Texas

    I think it may mater to some based upon a persons own theological beliefs. The problem with this concept is that a president of the United States is the president of all Americans regardless of his or her religious beliefs. What this means is that the president must represent all people equally and fairly regardless of religious affiliation or the lack thereof. A candidates religious beliefs will always be an issue to some. Prejudice in politics knows no boundaries.

    August 17, 2011 at 2:17 pm |
  28. Donna from Wisconsin

    Absolutely the scariest. I am a Christian but in no way do I advocate intolerance of anyone else's religion. If these folks are so Constitutional, then they must have read where we have freedom of religion and a separation of church and state. The "mark of a dominionist is a commitment to defining and carrying out an approach to building society that is self-consciously defined as exclusively Christian, and dependent specifically on the work of Christians, rather than based on a broader consensus." To me this is a Christian Iran and depending on whose Christian denomination is in the White House would be his or her interpretation. I don't want to be told what to believe or how to behave in my bedroom by these wackos!

    August 17, 2011 at 2:18 pm |
  29. bonnie from NJ

    I have to admit that I had to look up the word before I answered, but once I did I have to say that "worry" is not the word I would use. That is one of the scariest things I have ever read. I just have no concept how voters in this country can follow these people. I am trying to remain optimistic about the future of our country but everyday I only find things that are making that virtually impossible. I am hoping every day that something turns around for Obama and the economy so one of these nuts doesn't get elected. Ron Paul looks good, but I can't see the Republicans letting him get the nomination.

    August 17, 2011 at 2:22 pm |
  30. Ed from Texas

    As an American, I am entitled to the religion of my choice; therefore, I will not vote for any candidate who may attempt to force their religious beliefs on me.

    August 17, 2011 at 2:24 pm |
  31. Reed Morrow

    The fact is, these candidates want to run the country under biblical law and not the constituion. Why change such a great document that lets everyone live their life in their own free way? The only true candidate here is Congressman Paul.

    Reed Morrow – Pittsburgh, PA

    August 17, 2011 at 2:25 pm |
  32. Jeff M

    Well, I don't know what "ties to Dominionism" means, but why is it so surprising that, in a participatory government, citizens that hold to a particular set of values would like to see those values reflected in public policy?

    Each person's concept of morality is influenced / informed by something, whether it's ancient wisdom recorded in the Bible, episodes of "Barney the Purple Dinosaur", or hours spent playing "Grand Theft Auto". Why should it be so scary, or surprising, that Christian citizens would advocate for Christian ideals to be reflected in policy?

    August 17, 2011 at 2:26 pm |
  33. Marc in Canada - Buy American and do your part to save the economy

    Yes I am Jack. Just anther example of how when religion combined with politics is the root cause of all conflicts. It boggles my mind how Perry and Bachman never seem to get challenged by the media or their opponents on their obvious failure to separate church and state.

    August 17, 2011 at 2:29 pm |
  34. Marc in Canada - Buy American and do your part to save the economy

    Jack

    Just anther example of how religion when combined with politics is the root cause of all conflicts. It boggles my mind how Perry and Bachman never seem to get challenged by the media or their opponents on their obvious failure to separate church and state.

    August 17, 2011 at 2:31 pm |
  35. Dan in Aluququerque

    Not much, because even many Republicans don't want them to be the nominees. They know the Tea Party is bad news for them in the long run,and some Republican heavy-hitters are publicly bashing some of Perry's out-of-bounds remarks. Obama will win, almost by default.

    August 17, 2011 at 2:32 pm |
  36. Rick B

    Both of those people scare me no matter who they are tied to.

    August 17, 2011 at 2:35 pm |
  37. ImALibertarian

    Since I'm voting for Ron Paul, it doesn't make any difference what ties any the other candidates have.

    August 17, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
  38. Pete in Georgia

    Worry me ?? After I've lived thru the past 60 years and see how screwed up mankind is and can be, left to his own devices look around you and ask.............."How much longer are we as Americans going to be misled into thinking that God should come second to almighty man"? Think of the absurdity of that question.
    Please..................wake up and listen to what and who actually created this world.

    August 17, 2011 at 2:44 pm |
  39. Lori - PA

    Jack,

    It’s my belief that people are entitled to practice, if they so choose to, the religion of their choice. It’s not okay when a religious group, via their members, tries to cram their beliefs down the throats of those who don’t believe what they do. So hearing that Bachmann and Perry have ties to Dominionism worries me. This is the land of the free, not the land of the Christians. Better start talking [more] about Ron Paul Jack before he's completely forgotten about by the media.

    August 17, 2011 at 2:44 pm |
  40. Delores

    Will we forever argue the separation of Church and State? Our religion addresses our conscience. Our Polititians should address their constituents.
    Georgia

    August 17, 2011 at 2:47 pm |
  41. Brad, Portland, OR

    Those two have so many other things wrong with them, one more won't make me think any less of them.

    August 17, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
  42. bud rupert

    You probaby won't read this on air but this needs to be said Jack. It's politically incorrect-yes-but we better start telling the truth about these idiots
    Worried is not the correct word. Flabergasted, but not surprise, is more like it. I think I'm trippin Jack. Are we as a nation regressing or what? How in the world did we get to a point in our politics where we have these throwback 17 century Neanderthals running for ANY elected office. If what I've read about Dominionism is correct it's a Christian version of Islam. With all the stupid mythology and "imaginary friends" to go along with it. These fools should be dismissed as a danger to society and driven out of office.... In all do respect.

    August 17, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
  43. John Walker

    Many things about Bachmann and Perry worry me, but not their dominionism. As one travels back through time, the correlation between applied Christian principles and this nation's prosperity becomes increasingly undeniable. Dominionism may be a bitter pill to some, but history suggests that it might be the most effective cure for what ails us.

    Gatlinburg, TN (Sorry for leaving this out in the earlier post. I'll know better next time.)

    August 17, 2011 at 2:52 pm |
  44. Josh from New Orleans

    It worries me a lot because not every American is a Christian and there should be a separation between Church and State. I also find it hypocritical when they talk about being against Sharia Law when they are trying to force the Christian equivalent into my life.

    August 17, 2011 at 2:53 pm |
  45. James

    Not too worried because neither of those nut cases will be in the white house. But more importantly the fact that they are have ties to dominionism goes to show that religion has no place in politics at all.

    August 17, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
  46. Chandler in Rockaway, NJ

    It terrifies me, Jack. Dominionism is the Christian equivalent of worst interpretations of Sharia Law. Dominionists fundamentally do not agree with the Constitutional separation of church and state. Their philosophy is ultimately the equivalent of fascism.

    In order to run for Federal office, Bachmann and Perry must sign an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States. If they actually believe in Dominionism, they will have been lying when they signed that oath.

    August 17, 2011 at 2:57 pm |
  47. Pat - NJ

    Our nation was founded on separation of church and state. Immigrants flocked to this country so they could worship freely and without prejudice. As an independent voter I would never vote for either one of them. Decisions for our country should be without religious bias. What is happening to this country Jack? This is getting really scary.

    August 17, 2011 at 3:04 pm |
  48. Adem, Oakland

    To the extent of leaving my beloved country.

    August 17, 2011 at 3:04 pm |
  49. David R Bebeau,Springfield Missouri

    Well Jack I guess not being that I don't know what Dominionism is.Soooooooo first I did not know they did that so I guess its ok with me.The Dems will cook up anything to keep the socialist agenda going until the nanny stae goes broke just like europe.
    David

    August 17, 2011 at 3:05 pm |
  50. Larry from Georgetown, Tx

    Both of these people are very dangerous to our and the worlds future. They may believe that they have divine intervention which makes me wonder what are people thinking when they support them and if their sanity is in question.

    August 17, 2011 at 3:06 pm |
  51. Madge from Saratoga Springs, NY

    They profess to support the Constitution. The Constitution clearly dictates the separation of church and state. The founding fathers and Thomas Jefferson were clear about this. They wanted away from the approach of the English, who did not separate it. They can find it in the First Amendment. On the other hand, maybe Bachmann and Perry can't read.

    August 17, 2011 at 3:07 pm |
  52. Ed from Md

    Well it's pretty sad that a couple of supposedly intelligent people can totally miss the point of the gospels. Nobody should vote for them.

    August 17, 2011 at 3:07 pm |
  53. Sandra

    Jack, There is a reason for separation of church and state. Without it, we can not have a true American democracy. So, yes, it makes me very worried and it should worry all reasonable people. If it doesn't, then they really should read up on Dominionism.

    August 17, 2011 at 3:13 pm |
  54. Don McPhail Canada

    Can you just imagine the GOP becoming a form of a Taliban party right here in America? Some people view them as harmless but don't kid yourself. Just imagine your schools teaching creationism, no rights for women, no development of stem cells and every other wacky thing they can dream up, like an eye for an eye. I don't think most people realize that many of these people interpret every word in the bible a truth. If you want to stone every adulteress just vote for this crowd. The atheists are right. It was big mistake to put religious phrases on your money and in your courts. Maybe in God you can trust but not these mortal wackos.

    August 17, 2011 at 3:14 pm |
  55. calaurore9

    Dominionism, great word, Jack. First I've hear of it. Didn't those 'founding fathers' leave the 'mother land' and dump tea into the Boston Harbor to flee such religious 'Subjectionism'? Ironic.

    Carol in Northampton, Ma

    August 17, 2011 at 3:19 pm |
  56. Patsy, Texas

    Jack, everything about Bachmann and Perry worry me. As for Dominionism, if they keep it to themselves, no
    problem. If we are so unlucky to have one of them elected President, and they are guided by Dominionism,
    apparently we can say good-bye to the Constitution. Their Constitution would be the Seven Mountains of
    Society, and if that happened, I would definitely head for the mountains. Thank you.

    August 17, 2011 at 3:19 pm |
  57. Dave - Phx, Az

    It doesn't bother me one bit, because neither of these crazy people will be president.

    August 17, 2011 at 3:20 pm |
  58. Jane in CA

    Dominionists are the Christian equivalent of the Taliban. Right down to the stoning. It might be interesting to see how Michelle deals with the issues around women's rights, but basically they are the poster children for bad governance. Christians who think that Christianity should rule the country generally don't support policies that feed the hungry, clothe the naked or bring comfort to the sick. Or much of anything that could be considered promoting the common welfare of the people.

    August 17, 2011 at 3:23 pm |
  59. Rick, Medina, OH

    Jack,

    Our founding fathers very clearly created a 'religious neutral' nation. Dominionism, however benign, is a form of extremism, and therefore dangerous. So are those who promote it.

    Rick,
    Medina, OH

    August 17, 2011 at 3:27 pm |
  60. Don

    The constitution is very clear about the freedom of religion and the state should not impose any religion on its people. Those with ties to Dominionism would have you believe that our founders created our country on Christian beliefs, but this is not at all true. 1796 Tready of Tripoli says very clearly, "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." drafted by George Washington and ratified in 1797. The United States is a religiously neutral country. Can one political figure please read and uphold our constitution please.

    August 17, 2011 at 3:28 pm |
  61. CRAIG R. MCNEES

    tampa, fl ever since those insane yahoos came over on the mayflower, they have intimidated others into "seeing the light" of Christianity. they held one man over the side until he converted. since i am an atheist and don't believe in any cults that practice that they are the only true religion.and i must believe in the supernatural, i will be voting accordingly. you would think after a couple of hundred thousand years we would not still be afraid of the dark, and thunder and lightning.
    .

    August 17, 2011 at 3:29 pm |
  62. Kathie

    I wouldn't vote for either one even their tongue were notorized and they were connected to a lie dectector. both are deceptive, rigid, draw lines in the sand and refuse to budge (just like fitzwalker in WI) and refuse to engage n the democratic process. neither knows how to compromise or negotiate. Perry appears to be a big bully who goes around making slanderous statements (eg Obama hates America, military doesn't like Obama, etc). Bachman reports she is submissive (which does not mean respect) to her husband–as the survivor of an abusive marriage submission means you bow to every whim of the abuser. Under any definition submission does not = respect and, in fact, is more closely associated with fear, inability to make your own decesions. both these radical "people" promote fear–no way could they be trusted. Heaven help us if one gets nominated.

    August 17, 2011 at 3:32 pm |
  63. Sparks McKenzie

    It worries me quite a bit... As with most religions, people interpret it differently. I even think the majority of Christians today really understand Jesus or his ministry – they are more focused on vocalizing what they are AGAINST instead of what they are FOR – which should be helping and loving people. I'm okay with leaving your spirituality out of politics. I think it takes a good-hearted smart person to become a politician that most American's will respect, not someone who will push their beliefs onto others and/or use that to influence their decisions in office. Religion will obviously affect your personality and character, but don't bring it with you when YOU will be affecting many who may not agree with your religion.

    August 17, 2011 at 3:38 pm |
  64. Jim, Denver CO

    Jack,
    One of the reason's the Constitution was written was to define the boundaries of both governments and its citizens influence on either one. Meaning the Constitution delineated that there should be no national religion and that all citizens are free to practice (or not) the religion of their choice. This is saying a separation of Church and State.

    Dominionism is trying to combine/influence both (government and it citizens) based on religious ideology. The Constitution firmly does not allow for this. Dominionism violates the First Amendment and other ones as well. This is the basis of our country, democracy and freedom (inalienable rights).

    Yeah, it worries me a lot Bachmann & Perry have ties to it and buy into it.

    August 17, 2011 at 3:39 pm |
  65. Sparks McKenzie

    *don't understand Jesus or his ministry* that was supposed to say "don't"

    August 17, 2011 at 3:39 pm |
  66. Noel Sivertson

    It worries me very much, not only because I wouldn't know where I would fit in as an agnostic, but because both of them would be seeming to ignore the First Amendment clause regarding the separation of church and state.

    The spectre of an American theocracy worries me more than a balanced budget.

    Noel
    New mexico

    August 17, 2011 at 3:41 pm |
  67. HENRY FORD

    good lord!!

    August 17, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
  68. Tom Guilliam

    It is very scary that 2/3rds of the Republican candidates are religous extremists, that believe that it is OK to lie to get into power and rule the nation in the name of their God. Sounds like we are heading to a theocracy that will mean that we will have the freedom to practice their religion.

    August 17, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
  69. Gary H. Boyd

    Not at all Jack. They could both believe in the tooth fairy for all I care. These two will disappear into the dark halls of oblivion and be forgotten when the "White Knight" finally emerges from the ranks of the GOP.

    Gary in Scottsdale, Arizona

    August 17, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
  70. Tom in Desoto, TX

    I do not know or care what exactly Dominionism is, I do care when politicians marry themselves to any religion. I do not want the government to become a theocracy in any way shape or form with politicians spouting off as if they have a direct line to some higher power. They live mostly in the Mid-East and I don't want it to be mirrored here. As for their thinking and beliefs, I'm not interested in previous centuries beliefs. I would not vote for anyone with those beliefs. Each person has their own beliefs as to what is right.

    August 17, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
  71. Pete in Milton, FL

    No problem. At least if America has religious fanatics in charge of everything, maybe we'll be more of a match for the religious fanatics from Muslim countries.

    August 17, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
  72. Bryan, Colorado

    I worry about the fact that they are republicans period. I know how srewed up they are with ideolody about not wanting the wealthy to contribute to fixing America. Dominionism is the least of my worries.

    August 17, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
  73. Cliff Glass - Rego Park, New York

    It's another example of Republican Tea Party Constitutional hypocrisy. When they read it aloud in Congress, all they had to do was listen to the very 1st amendment – prohibiting the making of any law “respecting an establishment of religion. Yet again, arrogance and ignorance going hand in hand

    August 17, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
  74. James Hill

    He is not electable...That's the way I thought last election.. This time is different if we push we can be like Egypt and retake our country back. I sore a vow years ago to protect and defend this country from enemies foreign and domestic . He is the path to our revolution without bullets .. Lets make it happen this time!!!!
    Air force one here we come..with THE ONE..
    I wasted a vote last time as with hopping for Ross Perot ..Ron Will not jump ship..

    August 17, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
  75. DON IN WESTPORT, MASS.

    If God will pay my mortgage then I think Rick and Michelle have my vote. The banks don't care about my relationship with God, they just want thier money every month.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
  76. Tony from Southport, NC

    I guess if I'm not worried about the ties that Barack Obama has with the Muslim community or Sharia Law, I shouldn't be concerned with those candidates who have ties to Christianity Jack. Do you have a problem with Christians Jack?

    August 17, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
  77. jane

    If you would like to really test Rick Perry.... offer him a high-paying media job a la Mike Huckabee. Perry is an attention-seeking adolescent. If he could have his choice between a stage or a public-service position - even the presidency - he would choose the stage.
    And, since he has a history with Newt Gingrich, why not propose a one-on-one debate between the two "good ole boys"? I don't have any patience with NG, but he would skewer RP without breaking a sweat !
    Please come to TX and ask questions.... we are withering from this heat and from our part-time governor's edicts !!!
    Jane from Lake Jackson

    August 17, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
  78. James Harrison

    Since when do we live in a Theocracy? Where is Jesus mentioned in the Constitution? Is he mentioned in the Declaration of Independence? If the framers of our Democracy wanted us to be a "Christian Nation" I think they would have at least mentioned him somewhere. The prospect of either one of them becoming president is scary, even without Dominionism.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
  79. Linda from Kentucky

    Scares the living heck out of me...

    August 17, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
  80. Grant

    I am greatly concerned with any mix of religion and politics. I am disturbed when I hear America is a Christian nation. Religion and religious beliefs are personal and should be confined to the person, family and religious institution. Politics / governement represents and defends the rights of all people regardless of religious beliefs and no religious believes. Government, the Constitution, laws and regulations must be purely secular or we become no different than any other conutry whose government is based on theocracy.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
  81. Chip from Virginia

    I have no problem with dominionism, after all, God's laws are fair, and just.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
  82. Jered

    This country should be extremely concerned with the bigotry and intolerance being advocated by these two under the guise of being guided by the almighty.

    Rick Perry has been quoted as saying "God has chosen an elite, his new apostles here in America, to rule over the land through great monied business associations whose sole purpose is to further their divinely ordained agenda: economic, social and political." Sounds similar to the old belief – The Divine rights of Kings, in which the king is not subject to the will of his people. According to this doctrine, since only God can judge an unjust king, the king can do no wrong. The doctrine implies that any attempt to depose the king or to restrict his powers runs contrary to the will of God and may constitute a sacrilegious act.

    Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann both strongly imply that they have been called on (by god) to run for President, and so has Herman Cain. I think it comes down to one of three things.

    1. God has so little respect for the three of them that he thought this would be an amusing practical joke.

    2. These candidates are so delusional that they actually believe that god speaks to them and guides them.

    3. They are all liars who hope the Religious Right is gullible enough to believe they have been called on by God to transform America into a wholly Christian nation.

    Neither one of them should have ever been elected to any office, unfortunately they are both skilled in that unique political rhetoric that say's nothing concrete and means whatever the listener wants it to mean. Neither one of them wants you to have any freedom, they want you punished in a court of law for any perceived transgressions of biblical teachings or biblical law. They are not content that you will be judged by God when you die, they feel it is their duty to judge you first, I'm assuming to prove their own commitment to God.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
  83. Jenna Roseville CA

    How much does it worry you if both Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry have ties to Dominionism?

    Jack,

    I would bet that most Americans have no idea what Dominionism is nor do they have an idea that Bachmann, Palin and Perry are religious zealots. You can't exclude Palin in this definition because we all know that she is running – if not president then on someone's arm as vp. Maybe Palin knows what that job entails now.

    How sad that these folks that spout the US Constitution left and right forget that our founding fathers wanted a seperation of church and state. That our nation was founded because of religious persecution in Great Britian.

    We are NOT going to go there as a nation.

    Jenna
    Roseville CA

    August 17, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
  84. Ray E. (Georgia)

    Wow. That's a mouthful Jack. I had to Google it to see what is means. We, they have been leaning left for so long maybe it's time to lean right a little bit. No, I am not worried as long as we have Freedom of Speech.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
  85. Latrese

    well im not a christian and i dont think it is fare for a POLITCIAN to force their beliefs on american people. so yes that does worry me alot. obama is a muslim belive it or not and even with all he has done he is trying to force his religious views on us as well.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:17 pm |
  86. ken, atlantic city, nj

    Anybody is better than the clown we have in the white house now. If god can help I am all for it. Obama and the dems had their two years of glory and blew it.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
  87. Len@Seattle

    I am so distressed by many who call themselves Christian only to peddle their own cause. Bachman and Perry seem perfectly at ease expounding hate, false witnessing, and somehow thinking that Jesus was Republican, white, rich, and an NRA member. Isn't dominionism a form of demonism? Lord help us all.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
  88. Tom Bulger, Canandaigua

    It's not worrisome. It's sad. Disciples of Jesus tried to get him to go along with Dominionism. He had to explain, "My kingdom is not of this world," and further, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's."

    The Tea Party should read the Bible. All they render is obstruction and, "No!"

    August 17, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
  89. Gary - Woodhaven, Michigan

    Why does being religious have anything to do with being human, or being a politician?

    Yet two more human beings that try to sell that being Christian, or any other religion, has some magical aura that makes him or her wiser or more ethical than others, and then wishes to control how those not like themselves think and believe, don't we get that enough from Al Qaeda?

    Strange how they can see the speck in other people's eye, but refuse to see the log in their own. How does that bible passage go: "You Hypocrite! First take the log out of your own eye..."

    Christian tenants are faith, hope, and love; I personally can't wait until I hear from these two the faith, hope, and love they have for President Obama.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
  90. Mike Delaney

    The Dominionism question does not concern me much since it is counter balanced by their Zionuism. Gov.Rick Perry
    has made more trips to Isreal for U.S. Presidential endorsement than any of the candidates excluding Representative Ron Paul. I think religion should not be a question in a candidacy race for public office.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:23 pm |
  91. Dennis north carolina

    hey make a good pair as birds of a feather flock together. hopefully they will never see the president's office unless they are visiting the white house.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:23 pm |
  92. david robinson

    define dominionism, it's kind of a troubling thought. Don't all want to be dominant!!!!

    August 17, 2011 at 4:27 pm |
  93. Ken from Pinon Hills, California

    Michele Bachmann and Gov. Rick Perry are two of hundreds of our lawmakers with ties to dominance. They are tied to the those who have the most money that influence their votes, and determines their election and re-election. Then there are those who have ties to groups who chose to dominate their fellow citizens, as to their race, gender and religion.
    It is a big worry, it means our great experiment with democracy isn't doing so well.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:27 pm |
  94. MYSTERIOUS

    I am a Christian. However, I don't know what "Christ" these people worship. Besides, they will never, ever get my vote.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:30 pm |
  95. Paulette in Dallas,PA

    It worries me greatly. Radical Right Wingers are no better than radical Muslems. This information needs to be set forth in front of the American people so they know exactly WHAT these candidates stand for and where they plan to take America.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:33 pm |
  96. Howie Barte

    Gee....one can only hope. I think that would be the last straw on the proverbial camel's back with most voters.

    Of course, they would first have to understand what 'Dominionism" is. Then they would have to be able to spell it. That's a lot to learn for those two, don't you think?

    Let's make it easy for them, jack: Just call it "USA Christian Nation". I KNOW they'll understand that. What I'm not sure of is what they'll do with all the NON-Christians....On second thought...yeah...it bothers me. :)

    August 17, 2011 at 4:35 pm |
  97. Michael Bindner, Alexandria, VA

    Not much, since if it becomes an issue, it effectively ends their electoral effectiveness.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
  98. Ed from California

    It doesn't bother me at all, Jack. Because we have a Constitution. And in that Constitution we have the 1st Amendment. We have the right to practice our religion and that religion will be separated from our government. Saint I-don't-know-nothing-Bachmann and Pastor Rev Gov Perry have no chance in hell of winning their own election let alone a national election. Jack, pres Obama is in...take that to the bank.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:37 pm |
  99. Lee Martin

    Cumming, GA. I'm convinced that it's important for our leaders to have beliefs, but dominionism sounds frightening. However, I think Michelle and Rick are going to shoot their feet full of holes prior to the campaign getting much further along.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:37 pm |
  100. marybeth, massachusetts

    Jack,

    It scares the hell out of me. I don't plan on voting for either one of them, but the fact that there are plenty of people who not only support them but fully agree with their views on making the country a deeply deeply conservative, deeply deeply Christian nation. North America was colonized by people who were forbidden the right to worship as they believed in England.

    The framers of the Constitution considered freedom of religion FROM government interference, oversight, or favor (or disfavor) to be of such importance that it was written into 1st Amendment.

    What part of the 1st Amendment is it that Bachmann and Perry don't get? Give me a secular government any time–at least with a secular gov't, no one is trying to force their particular brand of religion on you.

    Dominionism is just the uber conservative version of Shari'a law. Same thing...different religion. I don't want to live under either.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:38 pm |
  101. Marvin in Polo, MO

    Jack, It not only bothers me, it pisses me off. Radical Christian Insanity is as bad as any other radical religion. When will they start burning Liberals at the stake. Look busy, Jesus is coming!

    August 17, 2011 at 4:38 pm |
  102. Ram Riva

    Some regions in the USA are so radical that surpasses its own foundation history.....radical puritans left Britain for the US because where they lived customs were not puritan enough....think about that for a second!!.....some politicians in the GOP/Tea Party are a pure picture of things to come, in this great country, if they get to power. it will send the US back three hundred years....at least....

    August 17, 2011 at 4:39 pm |
  103. Valerie in Raleigh

    The once-proud Republican party has been taken over by far-right religious candidates and they will never get my vote. Where are the caliber of Republicans such as Bob Dole of Kansas and John Warner of Va., men of education and intelligence who did not parade their religion but concentrated on what was best for the country – you were proud to have represent your state? All gone and replaced by the likes of Bachmann, Palin, Perry and Santorum. How the mightly have fallen!

    August 17, 2011 at 4:41 pm |
  104. dave in nashville

    Scary is the only word that comes to mind, history is replete with religious zealots taking over entire populations and persecuting those who don't believe. I just hope the media ignores them.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:41 pm |
  105. Paul From Austin Texas

    It is a real worry for us all if in fact they strongly believe in Dominionism to a big D. In the past on candidate or another have embraced one group or another just to get in office. When elected and in office at the White House they just seem to clon in the mold of Washington and it is work the same as it always has been. To use the Old Testament as our Federal Laws would only make goverment bigger and in our daily business by the minute. Then if Terrorist get a weapon of mass distruction and use it and they are from some foreign land do we act with an I for and I and nuke them? I think and hope they have only embraced the groups just for the votes. When and if one of them or both of them get in the White House as President and Vice President it will be no action and business as the same. Perry seems to for get one thing about a vito pen a veto can be over ruled by the Congress and Senate that is why it is even more important to vote for your local representatives.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:42 pm |
  106. Gigi Oregon

    I hadn't heard it called Dominionism but the denomination that I once belong to have lobbyist to help turn our Republic into a theocracy. I heard it on CNN one Christmas and stopped my tithing that week. I couldn't imagine taking God's tithe and giving a percent of it to a political party. When we take God's business into our own hands... it's never God's business any longer. In the old days they called it anti-Christ..

    August 17, 2011 at 4:43 pm |
  107. HJ - Saint Paul, MN

    Religious people don't believe in separation of church and state because they think their law is higher. So this has me pretty worried.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:44 pm |
  108. Bill in New Mexico

    Dominionism! is all that!

    What the heck difference is there between shia law under Islam and this Dominionism?

    It terrifies me! One of these two dark horses may very well be the Republican candidate for president.

    I do not want anyone telling me how to live.

    I definitely do not want anyone telling me how to believe.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
  109. JW, NYC

    It's relatively low on the list of concerns about both of them - and that in itself is reason to worry.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
  110. bill webster

    Republican politics breaks me up. The line of comedians appears endless.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
  111. mary

    Jack–this bothers me a lot–I'm a Christian but this is over the top..For one thing the old testament is history and does not include the birth,life and death of Jesus and it's only through our belief in Jesus that we gain our salvation. Who are these people and what are they up to?! This is scarey –Sounds like it could fall under the category of false profits--A definate NO-NO

    August 17, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
  112. John in Woodbury

    Yes, Jack, any politicians or religious leaders who "believes that X have a God-given right to rule all earthly Y" worry me a lot; the only difference between Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Hirohito, Napoleon and Al Qaeda are how they define their X's and Y's.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
  113. Mark in Houston

    Doesn't worry me all that much....what they think. As far as I'm concerned, they are both snake oil salesman at the very best. What is much more bothersom is that there are many out there that really believe this junk.

    August 17, 2011 at 4:50 pm |
  114. Gail, Plano TX.

    Jack: Both Perry & Bachmann are frightening. They are fanatical ideologies. Hardly Christian considering the disrespectful dialogue they use about our President. It's people like those 2 who make me glad that I am an atheist!

    August 17, 2011 at 4:56 pm |
  115. LA Belle

    Do you want to know what taxpayers think about another Republican president? Guess not.
    These two have ties to 'illusions of grandeur'. And how does that qualify either one of them to hold the highest office in the land? It's contemptuous and they are ridiculously unsuitable.
    Lafayette, LA

    August 17, 2011 at 4:59 pm |
  116. Harvey Gold-Brandon, MS

    It scares me a great deal. 75% of all wars fought since the beginning of recorded history have been based on religious ideology. We left England's rule for two reasons. We repudiated their impirialistic desires to intrude in the world's business as if it were there own, and we repudiated their requirement to worship under the auspices of the Church of England, seeking instead to have the freedom from persecution to worship how or if we desired. It appears more likely everyday that "We have found the enemy and he is us".

    August 17, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
  117. Chris Brown FL

    in this day and time of multi media and electronics, texting and the like our founding fathers would and by some are thought of as being archaic but even in their backwoods ways they were smart enough to come up with separation of church and state must have been einsteins in their day. also i am not a religious person but don't they preach that the antichrist will come in the form of a savior makes you wonder

    August 17, 2011 at 5:01 pm |
  118. Frank

    I'd rather have a President with a belief system founded in Christianity, with a strong understanding of right and wrong, with a love of absolute good, and a fear of absolute evil, than a moral-relativist with no set principles.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:03 pm |
  119. Ronald

    Surely there are enough examples in the world of religious fanatics and there are a few religious extremists running for office in the Republican/Tea Party. I treasure the separation of church and state in this country and don't trust anyone who says that God is pressing them to run. That is not a true Christian and even worse they are using religion to hustle votes.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:03 pm |
  120. Oldie in TampaBay

    scares me to death, Jack & frankly, it needs to be nipped in the bud before they take over. Open your eyes people!

    August 17, 2011 at 5:04 pm |
  121. Dave Freeman

    IDoes the Constitution allowing freedom of religion also mean freedom from religion?

    August 17, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
  122. Starcruiser

    I find it ironic that here we as a nation have been lead to believe the biggest threat to our freedoms and liberties are goups of religious extremist nuts located on the otherside of the planet, when in reality, they're located RIGHT HERE IN AMERICA and go under the name of THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
  123. David Sisters OR

    Scares the heck out of me-why do you think they call the period when religion ruled the "Dark Ages"??

    August 17, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
  124. Eardley Ham Woodbury, MN

    With Bachmann, not so much since the crazy woman is not electable. Perry is a different kind of fish, sort of like a Snakehead. I wouldn't trust him for a New Yawk minute.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
  125. Joe from Brigantine, NJ

    All I can say is that if either of these "holy Rollers" become President – GOD HELP US.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
  126. Leo in Kansas City

    More to the point, Jack... is anyone actually surprised that they've got ties to Dominionism? It shouldn't surprise anyone who's been paying attention.

    There's a vast difference between mainline Protestant denominations and Dominionists. In fact, if a "red-blooded American" of a mainline Protestant church really learned what the Dominionist agenda is trying to force on America through our political and legal powers, they'd realize that these are not "fellow Christians." In fact, they'd realize that an agenda like that would be the end of religious freedom in America.

    These are people who want to re-write history, destroy First Amendment freedoms for anyone who believes differently, and replace science books with the bible. Because of the nature of Dominionism, they embrace foreign war in the belief that they must dominate the whole world for their God. They would refuse to take care of our environment because they believe that God will snap his fingers and clean the rivers, oceans, and soil. They don't really care about the economy because, in their minds, God would take care of the faithful (the only people who matter), so the poor and unemployed have only themselves to blame for their situation. This should scare the daylights out of any rational person, religious or not.

    But... the scary thing isn't that these two individual politicians have these crazy beliefs and want to impose those beliefs on all Americans. No... the scary thing is that there could theoretically be enough delusional people willing to vote for them that they *might* get elected.

    I just hope my fellow Americans are wiser than that.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:08 pm |
  127. Don in Nevada

    Our country has freedom of religion, so they can think and worship however they want. To think otherwise is un-American and un-constitutional. Certainly there are other popular and important demographics that will attract or detract your votes. Such as age, sex, race, how well they speak, attractiveness, if the candidate likes the same sports team that you do etc etc.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:09 pm |
  128. Will

    Jack,
    I know many have commented that if politicians hold up the constitution of religion, we'll be safe from wackos like this. My problem is, people like Bachmann and Perry don't see that as a mutually exclusivity. To them, everything in the Bible can be vetted by and through the Constitution. I truly and honestly see no difference between this and the fear of Sharia Law, except that no Sharia backer has a snowballs chance in a volcano of getting elected to office; these people do. The short version, I'm terrified that this kind of outlook on the world, as close minded and bigoted as it is, might actually end up in the White House.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:09 pm |
  129. Rose in Glendale, Az

    Before I make a decision about Bachman or Perry, I would like to hear from them in their own words if this is true and exactly what their beliefs are. I want to hear them explain their involvement in this group.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:10 pm |
  130. Sharon Robles

    From Charleston, SC
    It's scary to think a leader of any country would be part of what amounts to – if not a hate group – then a group that considers the legal actions of a large percentage of its citizenry to be evil and sinful. How can the the protections of current laws be fairly applied if the leader has expressed desires to supersede these laws in favor of some "higher law" (or religious doctrine) s/he wishes to impose on our very diverse citizens.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:10 pm |
  131. MNResident

    I have as much concern for Bachmann's and Perry's Dominionism leanings as I do about Obama's Liberation Theology leanings. Both relate to the role of the church in the secular state, just from different angles.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:10 pm |
  132. Tony from Topeka

    I like you Jack, but the "take down" has already begun hasn't it? Not that you are wrong, these guys are wackos of the first degree, but it's just all this trash throwing isn't getting us anywhere. Put me in Dylan Ratigan's camp. He rants about the "lefty-righty" political circus while America gets its' pocket picked. I know you have a job to do, but when are we ever going to get serious?

    August 17, 2011 at 5:11 pm |
  133. Karl in Flint

    As if their other kinky religious and political fetishes weren't enough, now we have potential Christian terrorists running for President. Sort of Christian Bin Laden potential? Let's hope and pray the sane Christians along with Jews, Buddhists, Muslims and other faiths will prevail to keep these two out of the White House and hopefully out of any future elected office.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:11 pm |
  134. Aaron Alghawi, College Station, TX

    It worries me greatly. Not just because Dominionism is wrong, but because it makes them unelectable in a general election. Independent voters are overwhelmingly NOT social conservatives. If Michele Bachmann or Rick Perry get the GOP nomination, its four more years. The only social conservative that can beat Obama is Herman Cain, because he doesn't talk much about it and he believes the states should handle issues like gay marriage. But the candidates who could draw the most broad appeal in an election aren't being talked about: Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, and Jon Huntsman.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:11 pm |
  135. derp

    It scares the beJESUS out of me!

    August 17, 2011 at 5:11 pm |
  136. Anthony Frascino....Swedesboro, NJ

    Dominionism...Now there's a new one on me. The Taliban have nothing over our evangelicals. They're constantly widdling away at our democracy to establish a theocracy. What angers me most is that these fanatics were given save harbor on these shores to escape persecution. Maybe it's time to send them back.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:12 pm |
  137. Rich

    I would ponder here exactly WHAT this has to do with the Christian religion, and what Jesus would want. I see ire from the secular and political side, but can I ask from a Christian side, exactly WHAT Dominionism has to do with Christianity? Where does a Christian version of the Taliban fit into what Jesus said? I personally am concerned than some theological beliefs which is questionable, would become something that would get attempted to be shoved upon those who don't choose to be disciples of Jesus.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
  138. Carl in San Diego

    Jack, this surprises you? I am truly shocked! As for Bachmann, Perry, and their ilk, you can't pray away the debt, you can't pray away disasters, you can't pray away war, you can't pray away the gay, etc. Not everything is "God's will". If people want to live in a theocracy, move to the Middle East, specifically Iran. The entire Republican party has embraced a theocratic view. I'll vote to retain democracy.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
  139. ben

    These candidates are alarmingly appearing more like Crusaders than candidates. History tends to repeat itself and if it does G-d help us all.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
  140. Arthur

    Dominionism is the cover face of the dot line between those two with defense (offense – we always attach first) and oil industries.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
  141. hawkechik

    Well, that makes it easy to cross these two off my list.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:15 pm |
  142. Susan from Idaho

    As long as you keep exposing these kooks what they believe doesn't bother me one bit. Let the games begin.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:16 pm |
  143. Midwest Jim

    Sounds like the Taliban.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:16 pm |
  144. Pete, Jacksonville

    Dominionism? Maybe in Knuckle-Dragger Heights, but not in America, Jack.

    -live from Jacksonville.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
  145. Dave, Orlando, FL

    Disturbing as that is it doesn’t worry me nearly as much as the fact that either one of them makes Bush look like a Rhodes Scholar. That and the fact that with Obama’s dropping the ball big time, they could have a chance. What we need is dominion over the tea party.

    What I don’t understand is; how does smaller government square with dominion over every social, moral and medical aspect of our lives?

    August 17, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
  146. Troy Owen

    It scares me as much as one of those religious nuts getting into office!
    I'm in Austin Tx. and I cannot think of one thing slick Rick has done for Texas.
    A garble could run Texas as well as Perry!
    As far as Bachmann is concerned, she has always been a nutter and needs to go
    back to school and learn history!

    August 17, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
  147. Rex in Portland, Oregon

    The term "dominionism" is new to me also, Jack. But the belief that Jesus Christ could do a whole lot better job running this country than any mere human is widespread and is the common denominator for the so called tea partyers. They all scare hell out of me; ;not that I am anti Jesus, I just don't believe that God (or god) is speaking ;to any one of these yahoos.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
  148. Marcelo - Los Angeles

    Any super attachment to any religion is scary because it can lead to extremism (see "The Inquisition", "Islam", "The Rise of Christianity"). So yeah, I'm a little afraid of these these guys...

    August 17, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
  149. Ellie from Nebraska

    I had read about their ties to Dominionism before, and wondered how long it would be until a mainstream media outlet would expose their extremist ideas. Thank you for making this public, Jack. I find this very alarming, but not quite as alarming as the amount of people and media outlets that buy into Bachmann's and Perry's pretty words. If we as Americans are uneducated and too trusting enough to elect goons like these, then we deserve what is coming to us.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:19 pm |
  150. John - NJ

    Jack, the word "Dominionism" sounds like a disease or something that should be exorcised. Religious fundamentalism has caused more deaths throughout history. Makes you wonder about the benefits and beliefs of religion.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:19 pm |
  151. Michelle from Delaware

    Scares me very much. I don't want either one of them in office. Regardless of your religion or no religion, this is a country that is supposed to have freedom of choice not domination.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:19 pm |
  152. Aaron

    If these ultra religious get in, may God help us all

    August 17, 2011 at 5:19 pm |
  153. Wes

    Being a gay man, it scares me a lot.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:19 pm |
  154. Pam

    Yes they scare the heck out of me. I cannot believe we have such lunatics even thinking they could be President.
    These evangelicals and the religious right will take this country back decades if they are allowed to get a foothold. I want them to keep their beliefs to themselves and keep their noses out of everyone elses business.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
  155. Hal Coates

    Having never voted for Perry, I am never shocked by anything he says. He is nothing by an opportunist.,

    August 17, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
  156. Dave Johnson

    I'm more worried about the fact neither one of them have a brain.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
  157. Witmore

    No more than President Obama's ties to black liberation theology.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
  158. CONNIE G., Chicago, IL

    This expose gives legitimacy to the Newsweek magazine cover critism that Bachman not only looks crazy, but she is is a "valid nut" . As for Perry, he's the idiot who wanted Texas to separate from the Union when the President took office. So I say "Hooray" for the Daily Beast for illuminating Perry and Bachman, and Karl Rove for teling it like it is about Perry's "lackluster background".

    August 17, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
  159. Henry Lawrence, Peoria

    This is the Fundamentalist Christian equivalent fo Sharia Law. However, it doesn't worry me because neither has a chance of winning the White House.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
  160. Francesca

    Wottied me more ehen i heard about pres. Obama worshipping in Rev. Wright's church but didnt worry voters much to not elect him

    August 17, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
  161. Terrence Cain

    It scares the hell out of me Jack. Just as much as Sharia law and any other religious b.s. creation that tries to overtake a government. People like Bachmann and Perry should be banned from being able to run if they follow this Dominian faith.

    Terrence Cain
    Big Spring, Texas

    August 17, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
  162. Bob f.

    These two scare me to death. But on. The bright side. Neither one of these nuts has a chance to be elected. So fear not.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
  163. Tony Fortino

    I am glad to see that the Daily Beast is vetting the candidates with regard to religion. I suspect that they will use far, far different methods than what they used to vette BHO and the Rev Wright. I can't wait for these results. Separation of Church and State does not require the the public individual give up his religion to be an office holder in this country. And why are people who are openly proud of their religious convictions considered as "RADICAL". There is nothing wrong with our public officials beholding to the Ten Commandments. It might even help this country. I am sure that both Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann will not throw their religion or its leaders under the bus for political expediency.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
  164. NoWay

    Return of the inquisition – evangelical style – with latin overtones. Bedroom monitors, cameras everwhere.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
  165. Troy Owen

    It scares me as much as one of those religious nuts getting into office!
    I'm in Austin Tx. and I cannot think of one thing slick Rick has done for Texas.
    A gerble could run Texas as well as Perry!
    As far as Bachmann is concerned, she has always been a nutter and needs to go
    back to school and learn history!

    August 17, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
  166. Tyrone

    This is the same as any other RADICAL religion; they take away HUMAN rights by fair and intemidation...No better that what has happen to Afghanistan in the 1980s.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
  167. Joe in Toronto

    Jack, speaking as a US citizen living abroad, these fruitcakes are an embarrassment.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
  168. ben

    These are scary people. They're ideologies are starting to sound eerily reminiscent of early 1930's Germany as Hitler was beginning his ascent.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
  169. Liutgard

    Jack, I grew up in that tradition, and frankly, we should be TERRIFIED. Perry's ties to NAR show a distinct lack of judgement, and if he actually believes the Dominionist line (look up the founder, Rushdoony- if that doesn't give you nightmares, nothing will!) he does NOT believe in the Constitution. Bachmann is deep into the political philosophies of Francis Schaeffer, who believed that the Renaissance and the Reformation and the Enlightenment were bad things for Western culture, and that we should return to the theocracies of the Middle Ages. Jack, I'm a historian- a medievalist, to be exact, and trust me when I tell you- we DO NOT want to follow these people back! Our Founding Fathers were heavily influenced by the Enlightenment, and they wrote the Constitution of divide Church and State very deliberately- because they knew and had seen first hand what sectarian strife could do (read up on Ann Hutchinson or Roger Williams for a look at early Colonial American sectarianism at it's worst). We do not want to go back! It would destroy our nation!

    August 17, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
  170. Ruth, Peshtigo, Wi.

    Our politicians have become nothing but circus clowns but this sound dangerous.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
  171. Vince Hugh

    Absolutely they're both tied into this Dominionism. I think you should make a major issue of this right away. Good job.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
  172. Smitty

    It doesn't scare me much, I don't think the rest of the U.S. would tolerate such extremism. However, this is no large surprise coming from the extreme Right. All this will do is solidify another four years for Obama.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
  173. Josh

    On the right and left, politicians have treated their pastors like crazy uncles who can't be held to what they say, but from Rev Wright to dominionism, that's no longer a viable approach.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
  174. Claudia

    It terrifies me! I am studying Buddhism after leaving the Christian religion due to the hypocrisy that runs rampant through the group as a whole. Religion has no place in government – that's why the founding fathers specifically stated there was to be separation of church and state.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
  175. Emily matson

    Well jack, they both also believe our ancestors used dinosaurs as a green mode of transportation, enough said.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
  176. Kim, Orlando FL

    If either one of these two become president America is screwed. I'm not scared though! I'm terrified!

    August 17, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
  177. Daniel Hobbs

    This ideology is one of the two biggest threats to our democracy as we know it. Freedom means something completely different to people like this. Couple Dominionism with the group that thinks corporations are people and need the government's full attention, and you have the base of the GOP.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
  178. Jim

    Honestly Jack, to be blunt... It scares the hell out of me. First the 'Pubs try to shove Palin down our throats, and now this? You've got to be kidding me! Makes me want to ask what's next?

    August 17, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
  179. Maria from NJ

    It concerns me tremendously. They are scary and I hope they keep letting America know who they are. It will just help President Obama's case.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
  180. Faye Daniels

    It scares me! I believe in separation of church and hate.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  181. Dennis Pascale

    Keep your religion out of my government. The chasm between church and state in America has seriously narrowed. It's time for the government to pass laws to stem this...or to begin to tax organized religions which would go a long way to balancing our budget.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  182. Vince Carson City, Nevada

    Jack,

    Where have you been? Dominionism has been around for a long time and have run numerous candidates for office from school board on up. They are batguano crazy, hence their candidates tend to be dumber than your average moron.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  183. kathy from peoria az

    Jack, It worries me that people are taking these two politicians, Perry and Bachman seriously for any reason whether its religion or politics! We are not moving forward but back thousands of years. God Help us all!!

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  184. jeff

    Very frightening, we'd be entering somewhat of an Orwellian nightmare of closed minded zealots.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  185. Jodi

    This scares the hell out of me, Jack. I think it was one of the things our founding father's worried about – domination of the American people by any one religion or any head of church. If true, they are enemies of the state and enemies of the Constitution.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  186. Tom in Indiana

    Bother me?? You bet!

    The kind of fanatical fundamentalism that says religious principles should rule our country is the same philosophy that has led to the Taliban and Sharia law. The only difference is which of the Big Three religions is leading the show.

    The 1st Amendment was written to protect us from religious extremism as a form of government. I hope voters will see Dominionists as a serious threat to our freedom.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  187. Enrique Hernandez

    As a matter of fact, these two have not waited until quietly capturing the presidency to unfold their sects' plans; apparently their sect leaders thought they were powerful enough when having reached a congress seat, and a governorship, respectively – just pore through Bachmann's record of congressional votes, and the initiatives she's co-authored; and look at the initiatives approved for Texas under Perry – you'll find Dominionism all over their record! And it makes sense! Why would these powerful religious sect leaders wait years to exert their influence, when they've congresspeople and governors available to them? Romney and his extreme Mormonism seems a pleasant alternative compared to these two zealots!!!!

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  188. Chuck Wright, Georgia

    Another Jim and Tammy underway. They will kill themselves with their divisive ways and comments and Swaggert sobs.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  189. Daniel

    I'm only voting for someone who's more "down to Earth". Both of those candidates are loony and I can't imagine for a second that I'd ever vote for them. I honestly never thought I'd vote for Obama but if this is what he's running against I'm all for him.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  190. Ray, Boise Idaho

    This won't be the last time something like this comes out over the course of the campaign. While some of us may have some skeletons in the closet people like Bachmann and Perry have the whole graveyard crammed in there.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  191. Bill

    Take away separation of church and state and we'd just be one more place ruled by religious fudamentalism. I'm sure theocrats in Iran consider themselves to have a "God given right" as well. Ridiculous, and completely against what founders of these religions would probably advocate.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  192. Kian In California

    Sounds like a bit of a stretch. But religion in politics is an important issue to keep an eye on, especially with hypocritical claims made by many of these candidates in regards to the so called "threat of Islam". Extremism goes both ways Jack.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  193. Wolf

    You honestly hadn't heard of Dominionism? Let me break it down for you: Christians believe that Christ will return. One group believes that His Return will be preceded by a great persecution of Christians; one group (Dominionists) believes that His Return will be preceded by Christians taking over the world. Domionists thus try to bring about the Return of Christ by overtaking the world both religiously AND politically. It's as simple as that.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  194. Luis Valentin, PA

    It bothers me alot, we can't have a leader who is biased in his/her Decision... A deep religous person will make choices based on what they believe and in turn have a clouded judgment in serious situations. I have nothing against religion to each his/her own, but we can't have some one like them as President. This is a free world and we can not take the risk of having bans on things that dont go with their beliefs.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  195. fayes

    Jack, I had never heard of this before but, this scares me to death. I would never vote for either of them and, I only hope that this information will reach every American voter. Everybody has the right to vote as they choose but this should not be underestimated regardless of their preferred Party or Candidate.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  196. Jesus L.

    Scared stiff.

    We're becoming the next Iran if the far-right gets their way, and it looks like they're getting their way due to recent Tea Party shenanigans, I'm referencing about debt ceiling. Thank you rural America, keep on voting our freedom away to the plutocracy.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  197. Steve Turner

    Of course, anytime the separation between church and state is threatened, ALL of us should be concerned. Advocates of "dominionism" (like the Taliban and some right wing fundamentalist Christian factions) certainly don't represent the majority of the populations from which they spring. However, they do tend to get a lot of media coverage (since controversy sells) and drag out polarizing issues like gay marriage and abortion to enlist support (since fearmongering also sells).

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  198. Natalie

    Extremely disconcerting....you have someone like a Rick Perry touting how he does not "believe in" climate change due to the human footprint yet he believes in the theory that there is a god? Whoa, buddy. Let me see, do I listen to scientists who have studied for years, or someone like Perry who could barely pull D's when he was a student? And Bachman is even farther off the crazy meter! The GOP is in sorry shape for modern times.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  199. Tom

    It scares me quite a bit. I'm not a Christian nor do i follow any religion, but i do fully believe in protecting people's right to practice their religion. On the flip-side, I think religion should have NO PLACE in politics. Anything based off any religion is an infringement to freedom. I think both candidates have shown serious signs of extreme religious views and it should worry people as to whether they should hold the title of President of the United States.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  200. Al-kc

    Given the characters both of them have been hanging out with that call themselves religious leaders I am very worried. Remmember Jack the original tea party members professed their hate for blacks and immigrants.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  201. JIM BEAN

    Jim from Texas
    Maybe they will start the Apocalypse the we will not have to vote because the world will come to and end !

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  202. Camille

    Along with many other things about Bachmann, if true, this would worry me a great deal.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  203. Debbie R.

    Scares me a lot.. here in Kansas we have a Governor that has some ideas that sound much like Dominionism. He has some off the wall idea on trying to counsel unwed mothers into marrying the father of the child by paying for the marriage license. As if that was what kept them from marriage. We do not need this type of leadership.... my morals and way of living should not be legislated.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  204. Cindy Miller

    It bothers me; it should bother everyone. Our government (read: elected officials) isn't supposed to be associated with any church – separation of church and state. So, any presidential candidate who could be, or is, putting "dominionism" in front of other concerns of our nation, won't get my vote.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  205. bookgirl

    All republicans scare me. They all would like a country lead by right-wing religious fanatics.I will never vote for one of these monsters.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  206. Linda Reed Waldport, oregon

    Lock the door fast! The inmates are breaking loose from the asylum. If this doesn't wake up the American people we are all doomed to radical religious nuts in our own country taking us down the tube. Sharia law, vs. Christian law?
    Beam me up Scotty, there is no intelligent life down here much anymore..............

    Go ,go move, faster...........

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  207. Jon G.

    I think this is great news – hopefully people will be cautioned by this and neither will get elected. I'm more worried that people don't realize that both of these people are whack jobs.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  208. Seth in Texas

    Bachmann is truly the American Taliban candidate. Perry is more of a Cardboard Christian, who has always been happy to sell the power of the Texas Governor's Mansion, and all of the State Boards and Agencies that he controls through his appointees. They are both very dangerous to a government of the People, By the People and For the People.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  209. Tracy W

    Very few intelligent comments today, Jack. It didn't matter that Obama listened Rev. Wright for 20 years, so why should it matter what religion Bachmann, Perry (or Romney for that matter) feel comfortable with?

    August 17, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
  210. Catherine

    It bothers me a LOT. There is a pernicious encroachment of religion into politics in this country that I find profoundly disturbing. Individual religious beliefs have no business in the politics of this country. People are elected to serve the good of ALL citizens, not just a select group of "believers". If people want to believe in a particular religion, that's their business, but they have no right legislating it into the lives of the rest of us.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
  211. Thomas Daniels

    Yes it worreis me! Have people lost there minds? If our founding fathers where here today they would be the madist people you could ever think of!

    August 17, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
  212. Louis

    It doesn't bother me at all. It's time we got some religion in DC. At least they aren't a crooked Chicago politician!

    Central IL.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
  213. Diana

    Jack, being a native Texan why should words from the Beast bother me? Perry is a geat Governor. As his latest quote to Obama says "Actions speak louder than Words"

    August 17, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
  214. sam in minnesota

    Dominionism is very scary to me. I feel that we are losing separation of church and state more and more everyday. If we were the vatican it would be ok to rule completely off of religious beliefs but we are not. We are the United States of America a democratic state. If Michelle Bachman is our future president I will move to Canada. I do not know enough about Rick Perry yet to make a call if he is president.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
  215. Barbara in Cleveland

    Bravo for you, Jack! Ryan Lizza had written an extensive piece about this in the New Yorker recently but no one seemed to be paying attention. I had just said to my husband last night that I was shocked that no one had picked up this end of the story. It is nothing short of terrifying. I was so grateful to hear that you had unearthed this information and were giving it the exposure it needs. Thank you!

    August 17, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
  216. Linda in Arizona

    Well, I HAVE heard of it, and it terrifies me. I've always wanted to live in a Christofascist Theocracy, haven't you? And with the Koch brothers backing a Perry/Bachmann ticket, and Obama sinking like a stone in the polls, we might just get that dubious pleasure in a couple of years. Nobody with ties to such insane extremist groups should be ALLOWED to run for president. We have separation of church and state in this country. If we lose that, we have lost EVERYTHING. I can't believe you and Blitzer have never heard of groups like this. Palin is also connected to an extreme Christian bunch of wackos. You don't do much research, do you? Well, at least you're bringing it up now. People have expressed concern about the two Mormons running, but they are mainstream compared to these two nuts. If they are elected, you can kiss every freedom you ever thought you had goodbye. As for me, I will leave the country.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
  217. TheMiddleWay14

    These ultra-rightwing religious illiterates like Bachman and Perry getting the time of day is part of what is wrong with this country in the first place. We used to ignore whackos like this because the media at one time had some integrity.

    The fact that you guys will put the spot light on these dangerous lunatics doesn't help any. It just encourages them more.

    I hope all you religious nutjobs crawl back into the hole from where you came. There is a reason no one paid attention to you until relatively recently. My guess is that the only reason you get any attention nowadays is because of the desperation of the media for ratings at any cost.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
  218. Obamalover

    Hey...if Obama attending Rev Wright's church is o.k.....Why should this bother anyone?

    August 17, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
  219. Jim from Illinois

    Jack, It does worry me, but no more so than Obamaism; that combination of socialism, Marxism and communism.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
  220. CJ in AR

    I'm surprised that you and Wolf have not heard of this. Are Bachmann and Perry's ties to Dominionism scary - you betcha! Do you want people who believe in absolute literal interpretation of the Bible governing our country from that point of view? American Taliban here we come.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
  221. Tom W

    Sounds like Sharia law to me (American fundamentalist version). Need to check them out for the sign of the beast.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
  222. Shahrooz Jahanbin

    just like Islamic cleric.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
  223. Cindy

    I knew they were both crazy. This just confirms it...

    August 17, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
  224. Susan in Texas

    This is a very very very strong force. The reason you are shocked by this is because it has been brewing for more than a decade in small pockets of the South a place I am sure you have no desire to visit.. These people are very powerfulllllll!!!!! and spring from the Christion Coalition. They are all tied together...people wake up..the Salem Witch Hunt is Back....

    August 17, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
  225. Tom from Nebr.

    It scares the hell out of me Jack. I have read a bit about them. They are said to be slowly infiltrating every corner of the bastions of power, Congress, Military, State Governments etc. If they achieve their aims the Constitution will be thrown out and replaced with the bible. That either of these 2 candidates gets within arms length of this subversive group should raise the biggest red flag there is. Where are the moderate Republicans? Are there any left who aren't ultra right wing?

    August 17, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
  226. J from Tillamook, OR

    I would actually feel VERY good if it could be proved that Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry had substantial ties to Dominionism. Both of them are scary enough as it is, and anything new that could help enlighten other people to the extremes views of these individuals can't help but be a good thing.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
  227. James LaRose

    Are you kidding me? this is just what this country needs, more fanatical thnking. We already seem divided. i fear this is taking this country down a very dangerous path.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
  228. Bob Kovacic

    What we don't need in this country is more extremists – of any kind, not right or left, not religious or nonreligious, etc. What happened to the old bell curve where the majority were in the middle of the road? Surely we could find one or two to run for office.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
  229. Nardo in Cape Coral, FL

    does not change my opinion what so ever, I don't care what religious affiliation presidential candidates are, I didn't care when Obama was listening to Rev Wright's radical sermons for 20 yrs, so why should a care now?

    August 17, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
  230. Paul Schuster

    The fact makes me happy, and proves my recent references to cult leader to JIm Jones is true. They are religious cult leaders. They will give America what it needs... total anarchy, so we can purge America of phony Christians who act like Nazi's.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
  231. Jon Ferguson

    It is sad and deeply disturbing that these politicians seemingly refuse to acknowledge that they represent the people of this country which includes gays, atheists, Muslims, agnostics, etc. They are a threat to all free thinking people. It is time to insist on holding up separation of church and state.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
  232. jared

    jack, i'd be worried if these issues actually helped them win the presidential election. but they're shooting themselves in the foot with it. thank god. or allah. or jesus. or david hasselhoff.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
  233. Robert Read

    Jack, Why worry about these two as they will NOT be President of the United States. Get on something important to all Americans. Thank You

    August 17, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
  234. James In the SD

    With one spouting treason against the Fed and the additional of the new information that you have revealed against the two of them....... I don't think there is the Snowballs' chance.....So no worries!

    August 17, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
  235. Thomas Daniels

    All i can say is GOD HELP US!

    August 17, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
  236. Pat Wilson

    Jack I have been a Christian for over 60 years. I have never heard of Doninionism. Why do you folks go out and look for these fringe groups and use their stupid beliefs to paint all Christians with the same brush? 99% of Christian organizations are out there supporting our country and their members are trying to live good lives. Why do we never hear anything about the good that they are doing? I guess that does not make good copy.

    Pat

    August 17, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
  237. Buddy Thornton

    If their connection to this extremist group is true, I would place both candidates in the same threat category as Al Queda.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
  238. Stan Rogoff

    This is a very important disclosure. I am with our founding fathers hat there be separation of church and state. This is very important to me and I believe all Americans. If Perry and Bachmann really believe in Dominionism they should not run for President. Let then form their own cult and leave the US. As Americans we need in to insist on separation of church and state.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
  239. Tim Flanagan

    This is scary, but not surprising. Bachmann in particular touts a man who believed the government should be violently overthrown after the Roe v. Wade decision as a great influence in her life. Why these people are considered mainstream while Ron Paul is considered a whacko eludes me.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
  240. Basher Salem

    Well It worry me very much, but I be honest with you I hope Perry win for the only reason that he had destroyed Texas an dthat is a chance to get him out of Texas. 10 years is enough. It is cruel and unusual punishments.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
  241. Patricia

    It worries me a great deal. His friendshipn with these people who have been trying to get into politics scares me \. Somme of his other religious cohorts like Rev. Hege..thinks the statue of liberty is evil becaue it came from france who they consider sinners and anothr thinks Oprah is a harlot and works for the devil. Just a few ideas some of them believe.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
  242. Judko

    It doesn't bother me at all. It only ensures their defeat. What bothers me is the ATTEMPT to shove religious fundalmentalism (of any kind) down our collective throats!

    August 17, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
  243. jared, denver

    ck, i'd be worried if these issues actually helped them win the presidential election. but they're shooting themselves in the foot with it. thank god. or allah. or jesus. or david hasselhoff.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
  244. JL in Idaho

    Frankly it scares the crap out of me. This isn't a case of a main stream theological concept being considered as a moral guideline, this is the idea of a minority few shoving their own specific morality as law down everyone's throats. It's 'My Way or the highway'.

    “When the revolution comes, we will all eat strawberries.”
    “But what if I don’t like strawberries.”
    “Comes the revolution, you *will* like strawberries.”

    This is no different.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
  245. Bob Mason

    This is total garbarge, I think Jack is really losing it now!
    Is this the best subject you can come up with?
    And what does this have to do with Jobs & the economy?

    August 17, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
  246. Christopher A Reynolds

    It is a failing of the human race which repeats tragically, but yet those in power refuse to learn from the past or even draw parallel to it. Faith-based leadership has failed in the past more than twice, and cast humans into darkness for hundreds of years. It is simply wrong to allow one group of nuts to impose any sort of secular law upon any other group or collection of groups.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
  247. Amber

    Jack,
    Church and State are separated for a reason. And this is quite a scary thought. But, our system ensures that even if the president is a bit of an extremist, the american people will not let any contriversial theory become law. That is the rare, but true beauty of the american government.
    Amber, Cottage Grove, Minnesota

    August 17, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
  248. Karen Malan

    concerning Dominionism- not concerned

    August 17, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
  249. Kathy, NJ

    Yet another example of why the Extreme Conservative Right of today draws parallels to the extremism of the 1920's & 1930's in Germany where a little-known party called The NAZI Party came into power based upon economic turmoil and discord in Germany after WWI.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
  250. Abbie from Manchester, NH

    I think I hear a roaring sound. It sounds like George Washington and the other founding fathers who believed in the separation between church and state spinning in their graves. The last thing the US needs is a Christian Taliban.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
  251. JB in VA

    I find it humorous and horrifying that the same groups that are the first to condemn Muslims and their blind followers encourage exactly the same! Hope the GOP can summon the courage and common sense to send these "candidates" back under the rocks from whence they crawled.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
  252. Eloka

    Dominion ism..is that even a word talk less of a religious belief? That said its all part of the beautiful freedoms we often take for granted here in America..freedom to subscribe to the most ridiculous faith groups (or whatever that is) out there. I don't think it matters though in terms of whether these two candidates are qualified to hold the highest office there is. At the end of the day, it will come down to substance

    August 17, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
  253. Tyler C, Virginia

    One things for sure, Jack. If Bachmann and Perry do have ties to Dominionism and one of them gets elected, all citizens who practice religion except for Christianity are in for it. In the Old Testament, specifically Deuteronomy 12:3, it mentions "overthrowing other religions, and burning their groves with fire, and destroy the names of their Gods of that place." That place, would be America in this instance if Bachmann or Perry were the new President. Not a place I would want to live.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
  254. Phil Stang

    If true...neither is qualified to be President...

    August 17, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
  255. Edna in Pratt WV

    Will be interesting to see how they spin this...hope everyone remembers these little info bits...at election time...

    August 17, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
  256. Jausan

    Jack, this smacks of a legacy that haunted humanity since man first fell on his knees. My fear is that they will do nothing in the White House and let GOD take the blame. Let's see the Romans, Japanese, and even Napoleon used the essence of religion or a devine power to qualify their personal agendas. I can see it now, burnings at the stake, and another round of Christians going into the Middle East Let's not prove to the world that we are that dumb..

    August 17, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
  257. Jim, Dallas Tx

    We already have a Christian in the White House, Jack. President Barack Obama is a Godly leader who is good enough for me.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
  258. Beverly

    Bothers me a lot. What ever happened to real Statesmen like JFK who had the perfect answer. Not even the Pope could determine what is right for the country. Are they going to "interpret" Biblical Law for us?

    August 17, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
  259. ck1721

    HAHA! I love when a small fringe group of religious nuts can misinterpret the bible and have some outlandish beliefs (A la Westboro Baptist Church) and the media claims that it's now mainstream and everyone should be worried. Smart people ignore this stuff because we know that it's wrong. If you read the whole bible and take away anything other than "Love thy neighbor as thy self" and the gist of John 3:16, then you weren't paying attention.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
  260. Dan Awalt

    Get real, Jack! The "American Taliban" is alive and well in the Republican Far Right! These folks scare me a hell of a lot more than those other weirdos in Afghanistan. God help us if one of them is elected.
    Dan Awalt
    Bradenton, Florida

    August 17, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
  261. James Short

    Dominionism sounds like a "Christian" version of Sharia law. What happened to the concept of separation of church & state? The far right is the worst thing that has ever happened to American politics.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
  262. Susan D.

    It better bother all of us. How can these two talk about how much they love the Constitution when they, in fact, don't believe in the basics of it? Clearly, the Constitution states that we do not have a national religion. They love the Constitution except for the 1st, 14th, and 16th Amendments. Perry LOVES America, but he ran for office talking about seceding from the nation. WOW! Can the Republicans have gone THAT crazy?

    August 17, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
  263. Dan from Marietta, GA

    Yup, theocratic extremists are exactly who we need in government.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
  264. BARBARA JACKSON

    I think that is a very scary thought.Iwouldn't vote for either one of them anyway.I think people in politics should keep their religious feelings private.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
  265. Sean

    Dominionism sounds eerily like theocracy, a worrisome prospect in our post 9/11 world. We caqll Theocratic Iran part of the "Axis of Evil." Is our only response to extremism to become just as extreme? How juvenile.

    Sean – Buffalo, NY

    August 17, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
  266. SHERRY

    It concerns me a lot and I've studied the Bible for over 30 years. These so called Christians should find one incident in the NT where Jesus ever got involved with the Roman Government. He attacked the religious leaders of the day–but never attacked the Roman Government at all. Jesus was more concerned about changing hearts not changing the world systems of the day. These Christians turn more people off to Christ–with their hateful messages. They remind me of one of the seven churches in Revelation that Jesus speaks to-The Church of Ephesus–they had lost their first love–the love of Christ.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
  267. lil magothy from Annapolis

    Did you know that the "preachers" behind Perry believe, along with "dominionism, that the Statue of Liberty is a satanic symbol, that the Japanese stock market tanked because the emperor slept with a sun goddess, and that Hitler was only doing God's work? I have got to believe that lunatics like Bachmann and Perry are far too radical and outrageous to be elected by a broad populace. The alternative to believing that will drive one mad.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
  268. M.sundal

    Very Scary. Perry got job advantage because of oil, TX and Alaska don't take pay roll taxes like rest of states. Its so natural
    economy in TX and Alaska got advantage.
    Perry is not doing anything better or special for Taxes.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
  269. Stephanie

    Dominionism is an extremist, intolerant ideology. No rational person would want that kind of power in the hands of Dominionists. And imagine the effect that would have on US foreign relations, especially with secular and non-Christian nations.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
  270. Joseph Novak

    Jack, your radar is not in sync with reality. These accusations are old news, Rep. Bachmann responded to them seveark days ago. There is such a thing as "dominion theology," just as there are people who believe, we belong to the animal kingdom, because of Darwin's theories about the common ancestry.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
  271. Andrew, Los Angeles, California

    There is a reason why there is a "separation of church and state" as part of our American History. Candidates that ascribe to this " Dominionist" kind of thinking clearly dont respect what America is supposed to stand for.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
  272. Ron McFadden

    i've called myself a christian for more than 50 years, but only one thing scares me more than a politician who says he talks to God....that's a politician that says God talks to him.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
  273. Gerry in Montclair, NJ

    I've been scared of each of them since they came upon the scene. Now I'm terrified. What is the obsession with religion being the selling point with these nut job candidates? I'm Jewish and in favor of religion being a family and community matter, not a government thing. I don't think people like me – or the state of Israel for that matter – would fare well under these ideologues. It's either their way or the highway.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
  274. Robert Price

    It worries about as much that Perry and Bachmann have ties to Dominionism as it would if two gentlemen named Hitler and Musssolini were running with ties to the Nazi and Fascist parties. Thumbs up to you Jack. This needs to be exposed and publicized.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
  275. Michael - Ames, IA

    These extreme religious ties do concern me – but I was admittedly already opposed to the idea of either of these people running the country. I am not worried as I think the majority of Americans who do consider themselves religious or spiritual oppose the extremist positions presented by Dominionism.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
  276. Audrey Maitland

    Seriously Jack you're surprised more than 1 Republican is involved in a right wing religious plot to TAKE OVER THE WORLD?

    August 17, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
  277. David (Chicago)

    Come on Jack there are ISM radicals in America under the guise of religion just like there are ISM radicals under the guise of religion overseas..ever heard of Sharia law? Heck maybe our politicians should make and ISM called Are we really this stupid to put you in the White-house-ISM

    August 17, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
  278. sonja

    "How fortuante for governments that people do not think"... Hitler said that! These two scare the crap out of me... in fact the whole lot scares me!

    August 17, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
  279. Meghan Willcox

    Good bye constitution and bill of rights, that is what we can say if either Perry or Bauchmann. It's funny that two candidates who are so tied to the Tea Party's nostalgia of the founding fathers know so little about them, such as the fact that many of them were atheists and would NEVER support such extreme religious ideals preached from the steps of the White House. Hmmm...... Maybe these two canidates should do their research.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
  280. Adam

    Jack,

    It would bother me much. But "ties" would have to go beyond simply having a group's support. If Westboro Baptist Church followers showed up to his prayer vigil, it would be a jump to say Perry has "ties" with WBC. The charge of Perry and Bachman possibly governing from a dominionist stance is a far-fetched and baseless charge.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
  281. Tony

    It doesn't worry me at all. In fact, i think it hurts both candidates chances of being elected. Religion has its place, it's just not the white house. I think there are enough people that lead moral and ethical lives without needing to have religion as a guideline. To have a Christian philosophy based on the old testament from thousands of years ago trying to be applied in modern day politics is absurd. I for one will be inspired to recruit logical thinkers to the polls to ensure that no such ideology makes it to the top of the "Mountain of government."

    August 17, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
  282. JIM BEAN

    Maybe they will start the Apocalypse then we will not have to vote because the world will come to and end !

    August 17, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
  283. JimGreenm Seguin, TX,

    Jack, it is odd that quake in our boots over al qaeda, and other religious zealots in the Middle East—[and drained our treasury in our fear] when our home grown religious wing-nuts pose far more of a danger to America!

    August 17, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
  284. Wayne K.

    It only scares me because one of these religious fanatics could be elected. Religion already has way too much power in the USA. Theocracy, no matter what kind, means the end of freedom.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
  285. Don Buesen

    I,m very concered, why are people voting for these nut cases?

    August 17, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
  286. Amber

    Jack,
    Church and State are separated for a reason. And this is quite a scary thought. But, our system ensures that even if the president is a bit of an extremist, the american people will not let any controversial theory become law. That is the rare, but true beauty of the american government.
    Amber, Cottage Grove, Minnesota

    August 17, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
  287. Ronnie Harper

    Doesn't worry me at all – neither religion or right-wing ideology will ultimately prevail in American society or politics, so these two will be remembered for the mouthbreathing fools that they actually are. Wait until the 'dominionists' get slapped with taxes, which is the next movement supernaturalists can expect -a movement to tax the business that people call 'church'. That will get them hopping mad; I can't wait.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
  288. Bruce Gordon

    Rick Perry's desire to have law based on the Old Testament reminds very much of Islam's Shira Law. The Muslims accept the first books of the Old Testament, so the Old Testament and Shira Law are not that far apart. Both of them are totally unacceptable in a modern society.

    Georgetown, Kentucky

    August 17, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
  289. B.E.

    Just don't call it sharia law, right?

    August 17, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
  290. Dan, Champaign IL

    While their isn't a lot of substance in this article it merits further investigation. I will say that given the current crop of GOP candidates it's hard not to think that republicans are mistaking Stephen Colbert's satirical and hilarious commentary for sober reflection.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
  291. Shahrooz

    Just like Islamic clerick!

    August 17, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
  292. Tom Scanlan

    Jack-
    Not at all! We weren't 'bothered' by Obama's alleged ties to Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright's church nor his alleged Muslimism! Americans will vote for their favorite for all sorts of reasons. Let's move on.

    Tom Scanlan
    Copper Falls, Michigan

    August 17, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
  293. Jon

    Jack, this is beyond disturbing. If Dominionist's wish to run for any public office in the United States, then they are stating that they really do want to seperate and divide the country. The writers of the Constitution had warranted enough space on the seperation of church and State way back when and there have been plenty of warnings since that time to keep the seperation intact. Perhaps Dominionists who are voted into public office wish to change and alter the Constitution to mirror their over-zealous beliefs and make Washington D.C. more like their own country much like the Vatican is to Italy. And we thought the recent budget balancing act when congress was in session was a scare!

    August 17, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
  294. Marty

    There is no question that we need a change of leadership in Washington, and the Republicans have a great opportunity to accomplish this. But, to have a candidate who has extreme religious views as our President is very unsettling, as well as just palin scary. The Republicans need to quickly finsd other candidates to run against Obama Where is Paul Ryan or even Sarah Palin??

    August 17, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
  295. PiedType

    I hadn't heard of dominionism until just now, and I definitely want more information. But my far right religious wingnut alert level just rose from Worried to Scared. That could quickly become Panicked if they start showing signs of being able to win a national election. I don't care what their religion says; the Constitution says this nation is NOT to be a theocracy.

    Susan, Denver

    August 17, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
  296. John Schilling, Chanbersburg, PA

    About the same as electing a President who believes an angel provided the tenets of his religion on golden tablets which somehow were lost.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
  297. Chris (Knoxville)

    Rick Parry and Roxanne Bachmann. Worried?... no not really. They're just as unelectable as Ron Paul.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
  298. Osagie Illinois

    Both politicians are part of the Terrorize Every American (TEA) party and as such having groups with apparent sinister motives join them is not surprising. The good news is that there are still more sane Americans voting than insane ones, and I will bet my last dollar (that is all I have in this economy) that the right president will be re-elected or elected.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
  299. Tony SC

    The very idea is scary as hell. If it's true and one of them were to win the Presidency we would end up living in a theocracy instead of a democracy. You would have the views and laws of one religion governing everyone in the United States- The Land of the Free? Sounds more like Iran ( which is by the way a theocracy even if they do have a 'president'). Please correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that one of major principles upon which our country was founded was Freedom of Religion / freedom from religious persecution. Then again, Republicans are fond of misrepresenting the founding principles of the USA

    August 17, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
  300. kiamichi

    It is well established that both Bachman and Perry are devotees of David Barton / Wallbuilders, the National Center for Constitutional Studies and the like. Voters owe it to themselves and this country to do a little research on the philosophies of these groups – and yes, we should be worried.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
  301. Robert Mele

    These people are off the deep end, let's just say I hope to God they never make it to the White House. Maybe there should be some type of menta tests that people running for high office should take to make sure the are not insane befor they run for office.

    August 17, 2011 at 5:28 pm |