FROM CNN's Jack Cafferty:
If you enjoyed your last mammogram or prostate exam, you'll love your next trip to the airport.
That's a quote from a Chicago Tribune column, headlined "Government in our pants," that suggests airport screening is out of control.
More than nine years after the 9/11 attacks, it seems as if airport security might have finally crossed the line.
Grassroots groups are calling on people either not to fly or to protest by refusing to submit to those full body scanners, the ones that show "everything."
Major airline pilot unions are urging their members to avoid full-body scans. They're worried about health risks because of repeated small doses of radiation, along with intrusiveness and security officer behavior.
The Transportation Security Administration insists machines are safe. And you believe what your government tells you, don't you? But some scientists say not enough is known about them.
As for the pat downs, one pilot says it was like "sexual molestation."
A California man learned this after being thrown out of the San Diego, California, airport over the weekend.
John Tyner first refused to submit to a full body scan, opting for the traditional metal scanner and a basic pat-down. He then refused a groin check by the TSA guard, saying at one point, "You touch my junk, and I'm going to have you arrested."
Tyner has been threatened with a civil suit and a $10,000 fine.
All this comes just days before Thanksgiving and the start of the busiest travel time of the year.
Here’s my question to you: Has airport security gone too far?
Interested to know which ones made it on air?
This is just pushing buttons to see how well Americans are conditioned to accepting a police state. The goal is to stop people from thinking so they can shout from the street corners how free we are while our liberty is confiscated.
Airline travel is not a right, but a luxury. No one is making you travel by air. If you don't like the rules, travel by car, bus, train or walk.
I think so, yes. We're only talking about planes now, imagine what would happen if there is a bomb on a bus, or subway or shopping mall? What hassles or extra costs would be implemented then? There comes a point when you have to accept a certain level of risk. You cannot fully protect yourself from every bad intention out there, or you risk losing everything for the illusion of safety. The terrorists are probably sitting in a cave somewhere laughing at us all.
Arp in Brandon, Mississippi writes:
There's a cure for this: stop flying. The TSA idiots have confused motion with progress, refuse to profile and instead target old Irish guys like me who didn't get on anybody's flight in Sudan, didn't pay cash for his ticket, doesn't wear a burnoose or a turban, speaks English, isn't flying one-way, has luggage, and doesn't even faintly resemble Osama bin Laden's 1st cousin. Profile, dammit! Go after the people who look like terrorists, not some grampa on his way to visit the grand-kids in Seattle.
With all of the botched bombings, I find it peculiar that we are so upset over the TSA doing exactly what we've wanted them to do for the last 9 years since 9/11, and wish they did before 9/11 so that it could have been avoided altogether. We live in a world of airport and airplane bombers and the proper measures need to be taken to ensure our safety in the sky.
Yes, Jack. No TSA agent is feeling me up without getting slapped. Since there is no train, I guess it will be a long time before I get home to Jamaica!
Airport security has gone too far with these scanners. I can already see scanner pics ending up on the internet under a new porn category, maybe X-ray? I got my own small airplane so I can skip all this crap.
Let me answer your question with a question: would you like to be plummeting toward the ground at 500+ mph in a flaming heap that used to an airplane?
It's gone as far as it needs to go so far, and will go further should needs demand.
This whole security thing has gone to far. We need a more realistic approach, so perhaps a rethinking of who's causing the problems. It isn't grama or grampa, the business traveler, or the everyday mom and the kids or 99.9 % of the travelers.
It's the people with a one-way ticket purchased with cash at the last minute, and lets be honest here, someone of middle eastern background is more suspect that others. So why assume everyone is a terrorist, lets put aside all this political correctness and start doing realistic profiling and stop this nonsense.
And when those of suspect character complain, remind them of who's causing the problems. life would be much simpler if we just bothered the suspect bad guys.
Has it gone too far? Absolutely! Americans are only given the illusion of safety and security. Someone motivated enough could simply hide a bomb or other weapon inside of his body, and these scanners will do nothing to stop him. But the government will throw out these scanners to make people believe they are deterring terrorists.
The public and the airline industry have an obligation to say "NO" to this draconian non-sense. Stop treating "free" people as terrorists and drug traffickers.
Airport security has not gone too far. With the most recent events that have come to light with regards to terrorism and air travel, it is imperative we do everything in our power to keep our travelers safe in the air. Protestors need to buck up and suck it in. It might even be a good incentive for our overweight Americans to finally do something about trimmin' down a bit.
In drivers training classes, people are quick to point out that driving is a privilige not a right. It would seem to that flying is the same. No one is forcing people to fly. An individual's right to privacy ends when it puts others at a safety risk.
Better that someone feels your "junk" while it is still attached to your body than when they are putting it in a body bag.
I feel that we have been slowly ushered into a police state where eventually we will have no privacy. I for one am canceling as many trips as possible. Also, the terrorists are slowly bankrupting our country by threatening us with new tactics that scare us into adopting tougher screening. We cannot afford 100% inspection. Wait until something happens on a major highway. Then what??
I'd rather have my junk patted down than to die in a hijacking or bombed airplane.
Yes.... the GW Bush era harassment at the airport needs to end.
Everyone knows that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job.. to go to war... to keep an Republican administration in office.. and to allow endless eavesdropping by the coverts.
As one who travels on planes 3-4 times a month, I can say without question that the TSA is out of control. I have been groped, prodded, x-rayed and molested by these little hitlers on far too may occasions.
The next time one of these TSA freaks feels me up, I'm going to start gyrating with very loud ooooohs and ahhhhs rivaling Meg Ryan in "When Harry Met Sally".
No, airport security has not gone too far.
If you don't want the body scan or a pat-down, then don't travel by air.
Rose, Middle Village , N.Y.
I decline the x-ray scanner, try to pick which TSA guy is gonna feel me up and then yell, "Up and to the left, up and to the left!"
Anytime someone is presumed guilty until proven innocent, searched without a warrant, and required by government mandate to submit to a virtual strip search, without probable cause, sure strikes me as a violation of constitutional rights. Is this the type of democracy US soldiers are dying to spread in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere? Without question, this is going too far
if we have a religious issue in someone seeing us nude and a similar issue with another person not related to us in any way touching me: am i being denied the right to travel because of my religion?
I think whining has gone too far. I have two hip implants and I set off the metal detector every time. Get over it people. If you want privacy, take the bus.
This isn't about one individual... this is about the safety of the other 129 people you have to fly with. Take a car, boat, or train. Flying is not a right, it's a privilege and you either abide by the rules or you don't go.
Seeing as how the industry is private, I would love to see a carrier say to anyone who refuses the pat down after refusing the full body scan, "Sorry to hear that. Here's your refund. You're not flying with us. Have a nice day."
Absolutely it has gone too far. It has actually gone beyond too far.
When I am wearing a light t-shirt, shorts and flip-flops, what does airport security really think they are going to find on me?
Thunder Bay, Ontario
The 40's and 50's were not all that bad, we got in the car and took a nice road trip. If the airlines want to support this nonsense then let them figure out how to make a profit with the smart folks driving cars.
Keeping your privacy won't mean much when you are blown to a thousand pieces over two states! If the scanners are operated correctly, there should be no problems.
Yeah, it's gone way too far. There is a need for privacy to balance out a screening.
San Diego, Ca
Writing from Massachusetts.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
– Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
Airport Security has indeed gone too far. There comes a point, as Mr. Franklin so astutely pointed out, where the enemies of freedom win not by their actions, but rather by the actions of those who would be its protectors. Eventually the ideals that make America great will have been so compromised in the name of security that our children will hear the words "Land of the free and home of the brave" and ask us if such a place really existed, once.
airport screening is way out of hand. I am a 65 year old woman with hip replacement, and must gone through pat downs because I don't like the full body scanners that show "everything. The pat downs really is intrusiveness for older conservative woman...
Yes they've gone too far!!! They went too far when they banned nail clippers. They went too far when they banned liquids. They went too far when they insisted that shoes be removed. Now they've gone, way, WAY too far. Why should we be subjected to a virtual strip-search in order to fly on a commercial airliner? What about trains? Subways? Cruise ships? What about skyscrapers? Stadiums? Amusement parks? Shopping malls? What about the unscreened cargo under our feet on the aircraft? Why should we be required to allow TSA workers–who, incidentally, are NOT sworn law enforcement officers–to perform an intrusive body search that includes touching our breasts and/or genitals just so we can exercise our right to move freely within our own country? Strip searches and intrusive body searches are normally reserved for law enforcement under a very restrictive and clearly defined set of conditions. Furthermore, this does NOTHING to make us safer. It does not detect explosives secreted in body cavities. It does not detect things hidden in casts, surgical implants, prosthetics, etc., all of which are exempted from search. It is nothing more than SECURITY THEATER designed to destroy our Fourth Amendment rights.
NO Jack. It hasn't gone far enough. If one has a problem going thorough security, don't fly!! I would rather put up with a little inconvenience then end up in a box 8 feet under that is, if they are lucky enough to find enough pieces of me!!
Pat-downs in airports have been done in European airports for 10 years or more. Scans seem quicker and more effective. Unfortunately we will have to sacrifice a few planes with terror attacks before we join the rest of the world.
Personally, I'd say the level of security is commensurate with the current threat level. The inconvenience, if that's what is bothering everyone, is not caused by the TSA or the airlines but by those who necessitated it. And, if there's a need to "touch my junk" in the course of a pat down, my only request would be that it be done by an attractive, female examiner.
They have gone too far. I am not willing to allow my or my family's body to be bombarded by any level of X-rays or by "felt up" by a stranger in the name of security. It's insane to be treated as suspected criminal in order to fly these days.
Yes security has gone too far. Our efforts are better spent bridging the differences between cultures rather than demonstrating our differences. I just don't fly any longer.
No, I don't think airport security has gone too far but perhaps TSA and airport officials could provide the staff better training and guidance. The intention and current state of airport security is really fair for safe travel (the least that could be done). People who have problems with those security checks perhaps should opt for other means of transportation. Even with the ever-increasing security measures set up at the airport, terrorists are still finding ways to get things on board (thank goodness the last few attempts had not been successful). Instead of giving the TSA and airport staff a hard time (they have to deal with complaining passengers and their verbal abuse daily), we ought to appreciate their efforts to keep harm out of every air passenger's way. Please stop bashing the security checks and we should be grateful for President Bush's actions to maintain the safety of air travel since 911.
Los Angeles, CA
"Terrorists" could blow us up anywhere.
What's so special about a plane?
Definitely!! It's all a big joke. Overseas, they do not subject you to this much aggrevation even though they have a lot more terrorists attaks than we do. Everyone needs to stop flying and find other means of transportation and I bet they would make it a lot more convenient for you to fly.
Gone too far?? How about illegal! Nothing in my reading of the Constitution says the government has the right to subject innocent people to a full body "pat-down" without cause. Purchasing an airline ticket is not on par with public drunkeness.
I certainly don't feel safer with the TSA around.
I have two identity cards issued by the TSA including a TWIC. Both cards require the recipient to supply fingerprints, photos, and submit to a background check. I can pass a background check, but I have to prove I'm not a terrorist every time I go to the airport.
I have a question . . . are the TSA officers checked for sexual offender status . . . there is no reason that they must touch the private parts of anyone. Would President Obama allow for any member of his family go through a similar process?? . . . . I don't think so!!!
Yes, we have gone way too far. The current regulations are just crazy.
If someone wants to blow a plane up they will. Judging by the number of things we have let get by us already just increasing the scans and searches will have absolutely no effect.
To be sure that no one is carrying explosives on a plane the only way would be to make each and every passenger to strip, don some sort of jumpsuit [provided by NTSA, and then get on the plane immediately.
Of course, if a terrorist wants to swallow the explosives and have them detonated remotely, even total nudity will not help.
I believe that airport security has gone too far. I will be driving this holiday 11 hours each way instead of flying. I refuse to pay that much money and then be treated like a criminal just to board the plane.
Of course it has! We have poorly trained and compensated people so we opt to rely on incredibly invasive technology. We're asked to trust that the images are not visible to those screeners meeting passengers, that the images cannot be printed or saved and that our faces are obscured. I am not that willing to trust. The US needs to learn from Israel. Their airport security personnel are highly trained and yes, they use profiling, but it's based on actions and behavior not on appearance. El Al is one of if not the safest airlines and passengers are not subjected to being electronically pictured naked or sexually groped by some minimum-wage untrained pervert!
The new screening process has DEFINITELY gone too far. If you refuse to submit to the full body scanner (which has yet to be proven safe), then you are subjected to a pat-down that is akin to sexual assault. This type of insane screening by our government must be stopped!!
Ok. John Tyner got the fame he was looking for, now lets put him on a private plane with a tennis shoe bomber. Then he won't have to fret about his "junk" anymore and neither will we. See ya!
This is a slippery slope indeed. I believe that law enforcement in this age and time has taught us that criminal technology advances right along with the technology created to prevent such behavior... so where will we be 5 or 10 years from now?
I fly frequently for business and pleasure-about once/twice a week. I am 67 years old and have a hip replacement which usually sets off the metal detector. Until Oct 29 the extra screening was a wand and a pat down of the area that set off the wand-the hip. This was not so bad just took extra time. After Oct 29 I am subject to the new pat down. The hands in the pants going around the waist band of my slacks is a bit much. So is the touching of the crotch, breast and butt. On the days that I fly a round trip I have the pleasure of doing the pat down twice. I get disgusted when I think of how many times I am going to have to endure this procedure in the future. On one occassion I had my five year old grandson with me and they did the same pat down to him because he was traveling with me. He did not like that at all.
I fully agree with Jack Cafferty. After 10 years our Govt. could not find Osma Bind Ladin and wasted Billlions. US Claims he is in Pakistan but again gives Billions to Pakistan so that Pakistan can train more and send them around the world. In stead of having fully Body Scaner in USA it should be at Pakistan, Bangladesh, Amen, Soudi Arabia Air Ports. That's where we need. Pakstan must be asked use his army to destroy terrorist camps from its soil. This will solve all the problems and we don't have to go through this for many many years.
Yes, I think security has gone too far. What always worries me, is, what are they saying over the "Police Style" radio earpiece about you? Sure the TSA can say that the AIT images can't be saved and the agent outside can't see your xray image, till they are blue in their face, but, what is stopping them from making comments over the radio??
Simple answer – Hell no! If you don't like it, drive. Flying is a privilege and in our free country, we can choose to avoid these scanners by simply choosing not flying. You walk into the airport knowing that you have to go through security, if you don't want to deal with that, then don't walk into the airport. Get over yourself (no you Jack in particular) and deal with it.
Absolutely ridiculous. How dare the government force this invasive technology on the public? What's next, full body scans before entering a courthouse? Full body scans at schools instead of metal detectors? Gotta make sure the place is safe. I for one am altering my travel plans, and I implore the rest of freedom loving Americans to not stand for this.
Ben Franklin indeed had it right. We've given up far too much freedom since 9/11 all in the name of security theatre. More people die on the roads every month than died in the towers. Get realistic and stop living in fear!
It is out of control...!! Hell on earth is coming into Atlanta & having to clear customs + security. #1 we were cleared prior to flight, flight terminated @ a secure gate-then passport control, and to end it all....off with the shoes, etc...you know the drill, which resulted in a missed connecting flight. INCOMING non residents has 2 agents @ passport control, while @ the booths for US CITIZENS had only 1 agent. All of this was a living nightmare, and I've informed my family following my cremation, send me by mail or I'll be back in Atlanta waiting for God knows how long.
Our "security" at airports is a joke in Europe. This duck will not fly for long, and to have aircraft personnel go through this multiple times a day is beyond words.
Homeland Security and TSA are a total waste of money. It should not be a surporise to those that lived through the 9/11 muslim terrorist attack that TSA and its actions are to give the perception, not reality, of security. The threat level they created is totally worthless. Does anyone know what to do when the leves change or what they mean? These personal infringements the TSA is imposing are a clear sign the terrorists have won. We now live in fear and they trod on our rights and freedom.
We have the Patriot Act, GPS devices being put on our cars by the FBI, Body Scanners, Pat-downs, Speed Cameras, Red Light Cameras, Police Check-points for drunk driver screening, etc, etc, etc, in America now.
Do we live in the "Land of the Free" anymore, or do we continue to give up our freedoms for "Our so-called own good" and continue to build "America the Policed State" out of fear from a couple of terrorist attacks? If thats all it takes for a people to change into a fear-based society, then I guess we are letting the so-called "Terrorists" win.
It's no surprise this is what its come to. The government and TSA are so afraid of potential terrorism that they violate you to "protect" you. They take away your basic rights and by doing so encourage even more terrorism. See, terrorism is more about scaring people and making them live in fear than it is about outright killing. And the government is letting them win. The more we overreact to each thing they do, the more they will try. Perfect example: shoe-bomber. 'Nuf said.
There's such a fine line here. I do want to know that everyone I'm getting on the plane with has been checked thoroughly for the safety of everyone. I'm not a big fan of the "absolute power" given to TSA officials with what seems to be no oversight. I've flown three times between Amarillo and Dallas this year and all three times I've had an item stolen out of my bag. I've complained to the airline which states they don't have anything to do with bag checks and they have no power to do anything about my stolen goods. Of course the only place to wage a complaint about stolen goods is with TSA at their airport office. The airline rep chuckled when I made a cynical comment and agreed stating that "the next person I meet who's complaint has been resolved by TSA will also be the first."
When was the last time you met someone who felt more secure because of airport security? We have a costly, professionally staffed ineffective system.
Homeland Security needs to fly to Israel and learn how to protect our Airports and our Borders. Isreal know how to do exactly that without acting like nutcases. Will HS be able to grasp the facts? That's questionable.
The public needs to understand that they are lifting breasts, patting down scrotums and labias of adults and children. This is disgusting.
Yes it has gone too far and what is next? If everyone boycotts flying and starts taking buses and trains will these methods be implemented for those modes of transportation?
The government has forgotten that it works for the people and not the other way around. As a Canadian I will not be going to the US for vacation anymore and I will not be taking any American airliners that require this offensive intrusion.
I don't think they have it quite down pat yet. Start paying more attention to cargo planes. What about making sure everyone is all present and accounted for in airport personnel. Remember a short while back when someone strange with no proper ID slipped into the baggage loading area of some airport ,then when he was noticed he took off and was never found. I don't think Grandma going to visit the grandchildren is such a major threat. TSA needs to ID exactly WHAT and WHERE the major problems are and concentrate on them.
We will all be flying naked soon at the rate we are going..
TSA says I'll be patted-down by someone of my same gender who doesn't derive any pleasure from it.
So is it OK if I ask the TSA person who is about to handle my junk, "Are you gay?" Don't I as a non-gay man have the right to be patted-down by a man who shares my same gender-orientation? BTW, for the record, I am not a homophobe, racist, bigot because I don't want my junk handled by a person who is gay!
Does anyone have the gonads to pose this question to TSA?
I think airport security has gone too far. The invasiveness of these searches is not just uncomfortable; as the pilot who is quoted said, it is like being sexually molested. And who really believes that every security officer is going to be trustworthy with this level of access to a person's most private body areas? But with the level of threats we are dealing with I can't find an alternative, other than trying to avoid getting on a plane.
I don't know about you, but I just don't feel safe moving around in my life unless I've been either scoped or frisked. I spend my entire life living in fear, except when I go to an airport.
Who is it trying to kill us and why arnt they the only ones being searched .
Has airport security gone too far?
No! I don't feel confortable with the current full body scan or pat-down. However, all it's going to take is one person to board 1 plane and setup off a bomb before we are all on lockdown. Let's face it, we have enemies. Israel has a reputation for being the world leader when it comes to airport security for a couple of reasons (1) Because of where they are located (2) They have enemies.
Sorry folks, but we live in a dangerous times which require increased security.
Frank Opinion – Kimberly Wisconsin
Airport "security" has been a joke since 9/12/2001. TSA airport "security" has been proven fallible time after time after time and yet the TSA continues to implement ever more embarrassingly invasive, ridiculously inept and explosively expensive techniques and technologies to violate our privacy, but do little to stop anyone carrying a bomb on board a plane.
Yes, airport security has gone too far. The Federal Governmen has elected to subject the entire flying public to this rather than to do the obvious, profile those passengers that are most likely to be a threat. That makes too much sense however, God forbid we do something that is politically incorrect. I am a retired Navy Captain. A few years prior to my retirement, I was traveling in uniform from Louisville, KY. Since my insignia set the alarms off (I am not allowed to take anything off while in uniform), I had to undergo a pat down. This occurred even though I showed my secure Military ID (it is more secure than the TSA's ID's) and the fact that I held a Top Secret security clearance. What a system.
Gone too far? I think we've finally gone over the edge. As a frequent flyer I don't understand why we put up with these stupid ideas. The TSA and their predecessors never stopped everything and will not stop everything in the future. Bruce Schneier is right, it's all security theater – it does nothing but look good. But these inane procedures of patting you down with the back of their hands is the last straw. Is the TSA going to weed out all of perverts that now have a reason to grope people? If you want to know where the next government scandal is, it's in the making.
Of course they've gone too far! Who needs terrorists when we can be afraid of our own government
9/11 has given unqualified people at airports and inflight far too much power. In the one place where profiling should take place, it does not – when was the last time a sixty year old white woman blew up an airplane? yet you see them in airports all over the world being patted down. The people conducting security need to be trained and the customers profiled as to history of terrorists acts.
I am not flying. I canceled my plans. I am not interested in being exposed to dangerous radiation or being molested by the TSA. No thanks.
Has airport security gone too far? In as much as the entire security culture has gone too far, absolutely. But this isn't just about the airport screening. This is about making sure that people in the US understand that they have no rights anymore. The government has decided it has the right to literally touch your genitalia in a show of security when we all know that the real security issue is the war machine, the greedy politicians and their corporate masters. Will Michelle Obama and her daughters be subjected to genital exploration by the TSA? I doubt it. And I don;t want them to be. I don;t want anyone to have to go through this. But the government has made it clear, either you accept the does of radiation or we molest you.
I applaud the guy in San Diego who refused both. Good for him.
You cannot have it both ways..Someone gets on a plane that turns out to be a threat and you scream bloody murder, about lax security..Well meaning people attempt to make it as safe as possible and you scream bloody murder about too much security. There is a price to be paid for flying, and hey, guess what, it isn't all about the individual, it's about the safety of everyone on the plane..If an individual doesn't wish to go thru the checks to get on a plane, I would suggest they visit their local car dealer. There are some terrific deals out there...
Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty. As it is now, everyone is assumed to be guilty when boarding a flight until proven otherwise. The so called security groups in the government seem to have gotten out of control and bloated. As one former boss once said, work smarter not harder. The same goes for the TSA and other security groups.
Airport security has crossed the line. This does not make us a safer people – it merely makes us a "groped" people.
Yep. Especially when I can get pre-screened by the FBI / TSA to waltz right through the airport gate to get to my own airplane with nary a check or even passing or seeing a person. Mind you the same airport that they strip search me to get on an airliner. Then it's too much. They trust me in my own aircraft and driving my car on the field then I should be trusted as a passenger. They should allow a pre-screen check and a fast option. Especially for those who already paid for the check and are trusted.
These measures are incredibly intrusive. Since neither backscatter x-ray or millimeter wave machines can detect items in body cavities or under folds of skin, they merely represent a first step in what will the government will likely do in the future. Given the small amounts needed for certain explosives, eventually someone will get on a plane with an edible explosive device. Then what? Full CAT scans and MRIs before you can board a plane? Perhaps the Department of Homeland security will equip TSA employees with endoscopes and all passengers will be required to have a colonoscopy prior to flying. If what was taking place on airport security lines were happening anywhere else, there would be arrests and a lot more people on sexual offender lists.
I have a hip replacement and fly all the time. I always get patted down. I usually give the screener a hard time, "you're lingering" and most of the time it does not bother me. But I am tired of it and some days I just get fed up with the whole process. Let's just do away with all of it and fly naked.
I believe Bruce Cockburn said it best in the song "The Trouble with Normal" : "Suddenly it's repression, moratorium on rights What did they think the politics of panic would invite? Person in the street shrugs - "Security comes first" But the trouble with normal is it always gets worse."
Next thing you know Jack is they'll be asking you for your travel visa just to go from New York to L.A.
If we could be assured that all TSA employees were completely professional, then maybe this would be borderline.
however, given that many TSA employees are highly unprofessional, resembling street thugs in many cases, then i think mandatory invasive screens is too far.
Might as well replace the TSA with catholic priests and send our kids flying about the USA
Cincinnati, OH – Of course it's gone too far! This is just another step down the slippery slope of eroding our basic freedoms in the name of security, or at least the illusion of it. As if our enemies are going to use last year's methods to strike us! Meanwhile, we continue to give away those things we used to hold sacred – like freedom from wanton groping – and our enemies laugh at us. It goes to show, a society willing to trade liberty for security will, in the end, wind up with neither.
Yes. Increased security measures have been reactionary in nature, from shoe removal to liquid bans to full body scanners to "enhanced patdowns." Now TSA agents are groping thirteen year old children in places only a doctor was supposed to, and the terrorists have won. We have sacrificed liberty for safety, and have neither, to paraphrase Benjamin Franklin.
I want to feel as comfortable as possible that the person sitting next to me does not have any weapons. For that I am willing to pay a price. This does not compromise America's greatness. Mr. Franklin is not being astute. He's being overly protective of his "junk".
Those who sacrifice their liberties for security shal have neither
This weekend I traveled from Boston to Richmond and was appalled at the inept security ever present in both airports. From one security personnel having trouble putting on the latex gloves to another security genius who motioned me through the scanner only to be told by a supervisor that the unit was not on. The security scam at the airports is minor league begging for ridicule!!!!!!
Seeing as how the industry is private, I would love to see a carrier say to anyone who refuses the pat down after refusing the full body scan, "Sorry to hear that. Here's your refund. You're not flying with us. Have a nice day."
The Industry is private....the airport and TSA are not.
As someone who has to travel occassionaly for business it has certainly become an pain in the rear. I just try to go along but there are so many people who don't seem to understand the process that it usually turns into a mess and everyone suffers for it. Besides which I have zero faith in it. Has it made air travel safer? I really doubt it. It's a huge waste of taxpayers money.
hi! i'm bryan from mississauga ontario canada. my beef is with a emplyee airport security guard.he comes on tv explaining why so much screenings, because of al qaeda threats. so that means to me that this is only about muslims people but everyone has to pay the price for that. thank you
If this wasn't being done by the TSA in the Airport it would be considered sexual assault.
Groping is groping no matter whether the law protects the groper or not.
It's already been shown in England that a full body scan can and will be matched with the actual person by security personnel. There was an Indian actor who autographed his scan for them after it was shown to him. I don't trust the government! Splendora, TX
This question is entirely premature. Ask this same question after the extremists crash anither plane into New York, l.A., D.C., S.F., etc. So far if not for the total incompetence of the shoe bomber and underwear bomber (and I always thought an underwear bomber was an 8 month old with a grouchy stomach) get through all of our security.
People need to understand it is a not a right to fly on an airplane. The TSA has given options for the passenger to choose. You have the choice to submit to an x ray, pat down, or not to fly. In this day in age it is no surprise that you will have to go through security measures before boarding a flight. If you not will to do so you should have never purchased a ticket. Not that I support everything the gov't does but everyone knows if an incident occurred and a plane was hijacked, the tsa would be blamed for insufficient security measures. Heads would roll and there would be months of congressional hearings on why security was not tighter. If you don't like it drive your self, and if you have to go overseas, take a long walk of a short pier.....
So when both these options fail to find the next bomb what next? Strip searches? And people ask me "Why are you taking flying lessons?" Because I never intend to fly commercial again with this kind of intrusive behavior-and I've not flown commercial in 25 years.
Don't like it???
Don't fly. Period.
Flying, like other things in this country, is a PRIVILEGE, not a fundamental right. There is no arguing this. It's not about privacy. You can have all the privacy you want, you'll just have to drive that's all.
It's called tyranny Jack! Instead of harassing the American people, they should secure the Mexican border down in Arizona and Texas...
The problem with the TSA is that they are always preventing the last terrorist attack. They are not being proactive, instead they spend their time sexually assaulting the flying public.
I'll repeat what everyone SHOULD already understand. Even PRIOR to the current security regime, you were less likely to die to a terrorist attack than you were to get struck by lightning. This is security theater. The real security efforts are those which inspect cargo, track shipments particularly from countries of concern, and most importantly intelligence operations the lay person has no knowledge of. Stop demanding that *something* be done, and demand that THE RIGHT THING be done. Demand *effective* policies, not merely visible ones. Just because you *feel* safer because of this security regime does not mean you actually ARE safer, yet you have traded precious liberty for that false sense.
Well, reading the headlines, if I were a terrorist I'd stash my weapon or bomb right next to my "junk." Sounds like it's going to be pretty safe there after all the folks who are complaining about too much security get their way.
Well, I'd rather have to undergo an unpleasant pat-down than get blown out of the sky by a terrorist.
I worked as a photojournalist in DC for years before and following 9/11. It was TSA's contention for a couple years following the bombing that running film through their scanners would have no effect on the film. TSA was wrong. I don't travel that much anymore but don't trust the TSA when it comes to my health and x-ray scanners. Why are they not doing cavity searches? Isn't that the next step?
No they have now. Even as a Soldier on military leave I was required to go through scans as well. If a Soldier must do, so should everyone else.
Yes it is way too far!
Scanning people inside the terminal means that you have already failed to protect them from being possibly killed. The terrorist will one day soon say to themselves why bother trying to kill one or two hundred on a jet when they can kill a three to ten thousands in the terminals who are all bunched up waiting to be scanned, because they entered the facility which has no security at all. You people have no idea what security is, the scanners and other checks should be done outside the terminals embed the scanners in tunnels, into the structure so that people can not see them before people ever get into the facilities. As it stands right now you are setting up the possibility of there being a mass killing at an airport terminal.
Trying to secure the jets only just proves that you people have failed us again, the terminal should be consider a safe zone, not the war zones you are trying to create with people, by trying to show them that you are scanning, even when the technology does not work!
Here is what I think regarding the new airport screening rules. The TSA has just opened up a set of job opportunities that are perfect for perverts and sexual predators. What a great government we have. Where do I sign up?
It sounds weird and very unpleasant. But hey, if they keep the fabrics between my junk and someone's hand, is better than experimenting skydive without parachutes... or playing the dummy dolls agains a tall building...
America will never enjoy true safety. "Ever". No matter how much soldiers are killed and dollars spent. At home or overseas.
Get used to...
What's next? Body cavity searches?
If you believe in TSA's logic then NOTHING will be off the table
TSA is running amok and worse, some of us even support that. Makes you wonder
Jack...Let's face it – since it's inception the TSA has been about the perception of safety, not actual safety with the brainwashing that we're all soooo much safer now. The traveling public has participated in the charade up until now like good little sheep. People are getting tired of the game because yes, it's gone too far.
Life is uncertain, Secure all cockpit doors, stop over the top searches and let's streamline life a little. We should not sacrifice our dignity and freedom for this illusion of security. This is more about budget protection than airport security
I'm willing to let them (airport security) look me over,touch,ect... If this means some one can't blow my plane up. Then they have not gone to far!
Speaking as an American I ask "What is wrong with American??" .. I am very happy to be searched and participate in ANY way to help with the security of my or any other flight ... those who complain frankly do not need to travel. I travel alot globally and honestly I wish they did more in their searches ... a good example is Israel ... I feel totally safe flying in/out of there at anytime... Grow up complaining people , just deal with it and smile
So who has authorized TSA 'airport mall cops' to impose 'parking ticket fines' of $10,000. They are there to prevent unauthorized access to aircraft and only that.
That idiot who made the big scene at San Diego airport SHOULD have been thrown out. Would he rather his plane was blown up mid-air? The terrorists are getting more sophisticated with their tactics. Anything that makes us safer is perfectly fine with me. This big-mouth does NOT speak for me!
I don't mind if people look at my junk - but the only people who get to touch it are my girlfriend and my doctor. Just strip naked before you the fondling, so there is no reason for your 'enhanced pat down'.
Search me, search me, search me and thank you!!! Has anybody here considered the alternative is being blown to bits with your prudish, insecurities intact. What part of life or death do these people not understand?
They have gone too far because they are risking the health of passengers. The average person by the age of 50 has received much more radiation exposure due to medical exams than ever before. No radiation safety professional will EVER tell you that ANY amount of radiation is safe. There is NO threshold for where radiation becomes dangerous; any amount has the ability to cause cancer and other conditions. People must save these exposures for when they need it for medical reasons, not to get on a plane. It may be a privilege to fly, but it is my RIGHT to remain healthy.
The thing Mr. Tyner's cell phone doesn't show is what his body language was; we really don't know the whole story or why a trained TSA person may have been more interested in him over the next person in line. All it does show is that Mr. Tyner was expecting and prepared to confront the TSA. Mr. Tyner sounds like someone looking for his 15-mins of fame. Any reasonable person entering an airport understands that they may be searched at some point. This wasn't a case of a TSA person doing something inappropriate, on the other hand they were very clear and professional. While I don't like the increasing searches any more than the next person; I also understand that someone shouldn't be allowed to "test" security by showing up to see if they are doing their jobs and when actually confronted with a complete search to try to back out at the last second.
Absoutely-and so has political correctness. It's time to profile. No one who looks like me, a 63-year old grandmother of four, conspires to take a crowd to heaven on any given day.
It is about time that the criminal combine of Cheney and of his puppet, Bush, be relegated to the past.
Get rid of both Homeland Security and TSA – this country went through 200+ years without them and everything was just fine. The obsession that created these two total wastes of money needs to be brought under control once and for all.
It's a false dichotomy to say that the only choice is between getting blown out of the sky and submitting to someone fondling your crotch and chest or seeing naked images of you. Human creativity is boundless; someone determined to commit and act of terrorism will find a way to do it, while the rest of us are busy ceding our rights for a false sense of security.
Whether airport security is out of control is not the question. The question should be is the TSA out of control and the answer to that is a resounding yes. You only have to travel to Europe or Australia as I do frequently to see how it should be done – courteous people who are not hung up on their own self-importance and don't fall back on reciting the rules when you ask a simple question.
I didn't spend over 30 years in the service to see our country come to this form of scrutiny. Since I have a pacemaker (thanks to military service), I must now go through a sexual molestation to board an airplane?! This is a violation of civil rights and would be a felony in many states and solves nothing. Israeli security has it right, they know that most contraband is inserted into body cavities; so whats next a colonoscopy booth at the airport in public?? We have become the country we have fought for many years to prohibit! Nuts to the feds, Nuts to the TSA.
It’s insane when I hear people bring up all these nonsense; when there’s a lapse in security and terrorists have their way, we all cry “oh! Government is not doing it’s job…blah, blah, blah”, and when few measures are put in place to protect innocent lives, people shout! It’s like am reading the Bible about the journey of the Israelites!
TSA and DMV-Proof that anyone can get a job.
Its is really difficult to take the car as a means of conveyance on an overseas trip. It also takes along time for fly to the coast from the Midwest and time is something business travelers don't have.
The fact that we even have to ask if this has gone to far shows how far things have gone. We are being digitally strip searched and going along with it like sheep. Our fear causes our government to overreact to every threat. We flinch every time some terrorist wanna-be even looks at us. By doing so we are giving them the control they crave. I encourage everyone to "opt-out" of the full body scanner. If even 50% of people opt out it will force the TSA to come up with a better plan.
Yes – these scanners are not an effective means of making us safer. I have read that TSA is planning to deploy 1,000 scanners in US airports at a purchase cost of $150 million plus cost of maintenance and training TSA employees how to use them. That kind of expense warrants some justification as to how it will actually make us safer. I believe the "enhanced" pat-downs are intended to discourage people from opt-ing out of the scanners. Until this is resolved, I recommend using Skype for long distance meetings and taking road trips.
NOPE...... Two planes: One where all passengers have been properly scanned and the second plane, no one has been scanned..... Pick your flight.....
I don't know whether airport security gone too far.....but i can tell this. The X-ray machines installed at airports causes (or causing) problem to all humans in long term. There is so much radiation goes though this, consider a frequent flyer who goes through this multiple times in a year. These X-ray machines is definitely problem for all of us, our children and grand children. Government says that it is safe, but look at the research findings , you will be surprised to know what problems this radiation is causing in a long term. We need to certainly protect our nation, and need to invent new methods which is safe for all generations.
Bring back profiling.
It's a right of all those decent people who don't have to be screened.
I did not serve 25 years in the Navy to see our liberties carelessly thrown away with such disregard to the very freedoms our founding fathers and generations of U.S. Citizens fought and died for. During the cold war we often characterized the enemy with such invasive searches. It challenges the notion that we are innocent until proven guilty. In this case, we are all guilty of concealing something before a strip search proves us innocent. If unchecked, these searches will become the normal for any movement in our “free” society. As a nuclear trained officer, I can attest that there is no safe level for radiation. To expose the population to x-ray scan in any amount will increase the number of cancers. To punish those opting out by a special physical search is wrong. We are people, not cattle. Security and safety above all else creates a society no longer free; a society that deserves neither.
See Jack, people are complaining about the security so if the TSA reduces its security screening and another plane goes down, everyone will ask why the TSA didn't have tighter security. So no, the security hasn't gone too far, if anything, they can do more to help protect everyone from some crazy person who wants to put a bomb in their pants.
You're not sitting on your sofa at home. You don't want to be scanned? Don't take that flight.
Jack, before the latest controvery I vowed I would not fly again, except under extreme circumstances. Now with the lastest intrusion into our "privacy" I will not fly unless my dead body is being transported to another state for burial. At least then, I won't be aware of being molested.
Lets just beat the cat because the dog chewed up the newspaper .
No the airport security process has not gone too far and I'm not sure they will ever if kept within legal measures. As someone who does fly I would rather you check me thoroughly with knowing then that someone who could try to hurt our country or flight is also being checked to the same extent and is then being caught or prevented now from even trying a stunt.
When someone sets off a few "fire crackers" in-flight only then will we complain they haven't gone far enough.
Yes, they have. And there's no one more afraid than me of getting on the plane, for many reasons, but risking my health for something that can be done safely, is ridicilous! I bet you there will be law suits against TSA in ten years or so, from people who got cancer from the full body scan machines. Hire more people, check people before they get to the airport, pat them down without raping them, of invent a machine that's ultra-sound ot magnetic-waves, something that's harmless. I'm not going through that machine, period! If I could I would stop flying.
Unfortunately, we live in a world where people try to hide bombs in their "junk'. If people don't want to be scanned or patted down, they can drive. Otherwise, deal with it.
Anyone who says otherwise is a mindless sheep. Wake up people!
The new TSA security check is eyewash and a pointless. It is a way to try and make people feel secure. Does the TSA really think we, as American's, are so stupid as to believe that this will stop terrorism? Maybe we are.
Yes, way over the line – if TSA and our government had any "junk" of their own they would screen those who fit the profile, those who commit these terrorist acts ! Screening little old ladies and teenage girls hardly makes me feel better about flying!
I have two hip implants and am happy to be scanned or patted down to put the TSA at ease. I' been in law enforcement for the past 40 years (now retied) and I can tell you that the threat is real. This is not about our personal rights...this is about our national and personal wellbeing. People won't mind after the next 911, which will pale prior events. God save us!
When a government agency violates the Bill of Rights, they have exceeded their authority.
Airport security, excess fees, jam-packed airplanes – if my destination is within 1000 miles, I drive.
As a frequent-traveler with a knee replacement (which dooms me to perpetual scans or pat downs since I can't get through the Xray machine), I have some thoughts for those who believe that travel safety trumps personal privacy. I haven't experienced the body scanner as yet (since it wasn't an option), but I have experienced the pat down several times.
It is going too far to have a TSA goon fondle you in public, or even in a private room. While I believe in safety, I don't feel the least bit safer because of this procedure. I feel violated. There's a limit to what our government can do to insure our safety and they've gone way past it.
Also, who ever decided that air travel is a privilege? Tell that to my clients who demand my presence in order for me to be able to earn a living.
My wife, our two todler kids, and I are flying from Atlanta to Arizona for Thanksgiving. It is too late to chane our plans now, but yet another problem with air travel has us rethinking spring break or next summer's travel plans. I am sure there are a few mom and pop eateries and hotels along the way that would love it if we took an extra day to get there by hitting the open road. It might be nice to see real Americans as opposed to being treated like someone seeking to blow America up.
Why should an individual be able to not be subject to the scan? You can't opt out on credit card or driver's license. Our safety as a society requires we have these technologies infringing upon our privacy.
Obviously. We’re x-raying naked pictures of our fellow Americans into a computer, or in the alternative feeling them up. Lovely. If we just stopped flying for a week or two that would send a loud and clear message.
whatever it takes to be safe! I don't want to blow up in midair just so buba's privacy is in place. If they don't like the rules...take a bus or walk. This guy just wants his 15 minutes of fame and you're all giving it to him. I hope my right to safety is more important then his right to privacy or we'll all be in a burt heap soon.
I wish the world was not so dangerous but it is and to be safe some things just suck... so follow the rules or find a differant way to travel...
last i checked, Air travel is not a constitutional right.
A civil suit and a $10,000 fine?
Sounds like the TSA has found a honey hole.
I'd like to request that a female officer fondle me.
Absolutely. I haven't flown since this was started but I can't help imagining how violated I or anyone else would feel with a search similar to what one might expect entering county jail. We are travelers not criminals, and NO I don't feel any safer.
It's a joke. Like other travelers, I have been subjected to scans, x-rays, pat downs, bag searches, and all the other means to determine whether or not I was carrying something dangerous. Jack, I'm an Irish American, born and raised in the good ole' US of A. Why do we have to go through all of this? We all know the answer, which I won't post here because it is politically incorrect to badmouth another religion. Nudge-nudge, wink-wink, so no more.
Funny that people are ok with warantless wiretapping because they don't think it will happen to them. They're ok with national security letters because they don't think it will happen to them. They're ok with profiling because they don't fit the profile so they think it won't happen to them, but as soon as it is something that will happen to them then they are screaming about it. The differenct being in the first three examples, you're giving up something without a choice. In this case, you have a choice. You're preceived rights don't trump the rights of the other 300 people on the plane to be safe.
There is virally no question that screening has gone too far. No matter what is done there is always a margin for error. For those who say that they would rather give up their privacy than risk a terrorist attack, how do they feel about aircraft being brought down due to bird strikes? A certain amount of caution is prudent an excess is invasive.
The security measures have grown incrementally. We've slowly become accustomed to the changes in the past nine years. I remember when everyone was upset about taking off shoes and belts when that became policy. If the new measures had been put in place right after 9/11 more people would be incensed right now. I just don’t trust the TSA when they say that the new x-ray screeners are safe.
If this stays, we have lost and the terrorists have won!
My wife, our two todler kids, and I are flying from Atlanta to Arizona for Thanksgiving. It is too late to chane our plans now, but yet another problem with air travel has us rethinking spring break or next summer's travel plans. I am sure there are a few mom and pop eateries and hotels along the way that would love it if we took an extra day to get there by hitting the open road.
I have one question for Janet Napolitano and the head of the TSA. The question is: "Why are our young people dying while we spend Billions on fighting terrorism to protect our freedoms, while Big Brother government is terrorizing American's at airport security check points?" It is too invasive and I hope there is a revolt soon or we won't have any of the few freedoms we have left!
Gone to far ? Dare I say no ? Maybe be we can have proctological and Gynocological "Pat Downs". how about a sobriety check point maybe an IQ test ask who won the World Series in 1957. We tell children not to let strangers touch them. so we go to the airport and everyone gets groped by a stranger. Gone to far ? yup
Since the current technologies used to find suspect explosive devices have been in place, how many have been found? How many times have the operators missed training and test devices during evaluations? That information is "classified", but I believe the operators miss more often than not, even if the devices have not been concealed very well. The issue for this new technology will be the same: human operators see what they expect to see, not what is there. Throughout my 35 years in the security business, military, government and private that has been an issue. Until the human is taken out of the detection assessment role, these devices will be no better than the current ones. I would test the system by having a shapely colleague transit security while a non-descript mule carries the goods.
The problem with all this security is now the lines into the airports will be the target of terrorists. It instills the same fear because people will not want to travel via air.
Have the airport gone too far with the security, yes. If I want the world to see my private parts I would make a porn flick. As a female, I do not appreciate some person running their hands over my body..
yes, it has gone too far. there are metal detectors and bomb material detectors that can scan and protect just the same. the government has no business seeing me naked as a condition for traveling within the country. however, since flying is not a right, i will drive, take a bus, or take the train. one thing is sure: airlines will take a hit to their profits and prices will continue to rise because of this. score another small victory for the terrorists: we continue to live in fear and have fewer and fewer rights and privacy protections.
People like John Tyner should have two choices: 1) stop flying (it is a privilege, not a right), or 2) submit to a full cavity search, commensurate with his irrational behavior.
I don't like it, but guess what, as other have said, flying is not a right it's a privledge. We have options. Boycott the airlines, isn't going to work. I can see a sales guy telling his boss he won't fly to see his client, cause he doesn't want to get patted down.
If they go lax, you say not enough security. If someone can stop complaining and provide better options, let's hear them.
Jack, we all know the TSA is only reacting to the last threat in trying to keep us all safe. Yes, it has come to this, only because of the clever methods being devised by the bad guys to kill us. And, the next step will be explosvies not just hidden in underwear, but in body cavities. What will be the TSA's response to that be? However, I would choose to be subjected to a complete strip/body cavity search to being blown out of the sky. Whatever has to be done...do it.
Lets hit the road Jack - I don't want to fly no more .... no more....
I have driven from DC to Florida many times it's always an adventure. i can even take my dog with me and nothing gets lost aplus I always get there on time.
Frank Henry ;-)
Someone should start an airline that does background checks of people BEFORE they fly and then doesn't bother with the screening at all, i.e. you consent to a background check and then just get on your plane 15 minutes before it leaves. I'd fly on them in a second. As for the machines, I'll go with the pat downs if I absolutely have to fly, but have been able to cut 20 trips a year down to 1 or 2 and hopefully can eliminate those, too, and just drive
Live Free or Die. – Gen. John Stark
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. – Ben Franklin
Give me liberty or give me death! – Patrick Henry
Dont tread on me – Christopher Gadsden
The goal of terrorism isn't to kill people, it's to force a change in their way of life. The terrorist have already won, and our government has helped them.
There are places in this country where choosing not to fly is not a practical choice. Not everyplace is on the road system. Hawaii, large chunks of Alaska. Could I drive from Anchorage to Seattle? Sure, but it takes three days, the flight takes three hours.
The people who are saying "You have no right to travel by air" or "Don't travel by air" are insane. TSA has already said they intend to provide security for trains, buses and public events in additional to air travel. It's quickly going to move towards "If you don't want the government to see you naked, don't leave your house."
The odds of dying on the drive the the airport are MUCH higher than the odds of a terrorist being on your plane, even if we revert to 1999 security standards. I'm not willing to sacrifice my privacy and my 4th Amendment rights so that a bunch of idiots who don't understand the risks can 'feel' safer.
The thing that terrorists hate about America is our freedoms. If we willingly give up those freedoms because we are scared of the terrorists, haven't they won the war?
Its not that security has gone too far, its that America suffers from alziemers. They have forgotten too quickly the 9-11 terrorist used ordinary box cutters to take over 4 jetliners. They could have easily hid them in ther crouch and they wouldn't even been checked. If Americans think the secuirty procedures in US go too far then they need to live in Isreal for year. Isreal has the most stringent checks in the world, and the last time I checked they haven't had a Hi-jacking in quite some time. Toughen up America!
The TSA has crossed a line – to offer repeated blasts of radiation or pat-downs that would put anybody on the street in jail is not a solution. The cure that TSA offers is worse then the problem. If the paranoid folks in this wonderful country believe that this is an acceptable solution, I fear for the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Yes it has gone too far. If Napolitano and Congress went through the general public security lines/screening instead of VIP treatment, you know the laws would be different. Do you trust that the images cannot be stored or printed? I don't. I think they will show up in any court case where they might prove useful. This feels so much like unlawful search and seizure for people where there is no indication of any guilt, unless refusal to go through the strip-search scanner indicates guilt.
absolutely ! 1st the TSA is only reactionary. We, the public are paying the price for the mistakes they make. This harrasment is their cover up. It is a classic case of oiling the squeeky wheel. I cringe if I have to fly anywhere, because I am treated as a purpetrator not a traveler. Where the hell did my civil rights go?
Question to all the people who supports Enhanced Pat Downs. What if the next terrorist tried to bring explosives in the body cavity, do you support a prostate exam or an mammogram type search at the airport? If we don't find an alternate search technique, this is what the government will have do to keep all the traveling safe. Some may still like it and most will not. Please respect the people who don't want to go through this type of personal invasion.
The TSA's procedures have absolutely gone too far.
My choice is to have naked pictures of myself which can be leaked and which comes with unknown radiation exposure to the skin and immediately surrounding tissue or be sexually harassed - some choice.
Every time Americans' civil liberties are curtailed in the name of security, the terrorists get their wish.
I would suggets female "patters and x rayers" only, sprinkled with a few like Angellina Jolle. Women would be comfortable and men would stand in line for the check. It is about sex stupid.
I, for one, support all types of security screening. That includes the full body scanner. Whatever measures that can be taken are acceptable. When the next incident or tragedy does occur, the cry of "where was security?" will be screamed by the same people who are protesting. I have nothing to hide and want to arrive alive.
Anyone who complains about going through security at airports either is in denial or does not travel. I travel. You can search every inch of me and my baggage. I appreciate being kept as safe as possible. I like professional
TSA agents and think they have improved over time. Keep it going. Thank you.
How can the government say that they have the legal right to invade without reasonable cause an individual's privacy based on the 4th Amendment?
I thought the 4th Amendment (and the Bill of Rights in general) were added to the Constitution to protect citizens from exactly this type of government behavior.
Absolutely the new security procedures have gone too far. Scanning our fully clothed bodies now gives the people a look our genitalia. And, if you refuse you get felt up. As a woman, I would be humiliated not only by being scanned, but by having a TSA agent put his or her hands in between my breasts. I don't mind saying there is too much wiggle room for women, and men, to be physically violated.
The problem as I see it, is we know who the enemy is. I am sorry if it seems like profiling, but too bad. We should be searching the probable suspects, not Blue haired older ladies. We are so worried about being politically correct, that we cut or nose off to spite our face.
Again, we know who the enemy is, they have made it no secret.
It's gone way too far. I grope anyone and I get arrested, but because some yahoo has a cardboard badge it's ok? And what happens when the bomb is in a body cavity? Will everyone get cavity searches? I'd love to hear the reactions of those saying all this groping is OK then. "Well they have to run fingers up your bum because a terrorist might attack us!"
We aren't safer. Just sexually molested.
Of course the TSA has gone too far. Where else does a decision to travel give license for complete violation of personal privacy. As Ben Franklin said, "Those who sacrifice liberty for a bit of security deserve neither". Maybe we need to boycott air travel so that the airlines will demand the return of TSA sanity.
Security went too far when I had to start taking off my shoes and pouring out water to fly. Now my 4 year old is subject to being groped or molested by government workers.
The TSA is ineffective, and they haven't stopped any terrorists. Stop buying into the fear. This isn't a liberal or conservative issue. All Americans need to stand up for their rights!
Yes, it gone too far, than waste money on these expensive and dangerous machine, TSA should check people before they come to airport. My serious concern is a health risk, I don’t buy those tales its safe, radiation is not safe, and flying itself is an exposure to radiation, why people should be radiated even more when no one can guarantees that no consequences later in life. What if the machine malfunctioning? Radiate kids also??? This is outrages. As a frequent flyer, no way I will expose myself to this risk, I will tell TSA I am pregnant, even when I will be 70, or by that time, I guess, we will be scanned to the bones. This is should be re-evaluated and come out with something less dangerous and more effective.
No, it hasn't gone too far. I'd rather have the peace of mind of knowing that everyone on the plane has been thoroughly checked. People who don't want to be scanned and searched in the name of security should take alternate means of travel.
Flying is a necessity for half the world, and for many people's jobs. A privelege? maybe, if you consider sitting next to screaming kids in coach a privelege. Our government has no right to be looking at anyone naked for any reason, or having unqualified TSA people feeling everyone up. I know a TSA guy who, under no circumstances, would I let touch me, or want seeing me naked. Where's your backbone as an American?? A free country is what our ancestors fought for, and slowly, in the name of "security" and "the protection of all" we are losing the very rights we ought to be protecting...
I am more concerned with what might be in the cargo bay than with what might be on a fellow passenger.
If we are interested in saving lives, then we really need to do something about tobacco use and fast food restaurants. The chances of people dying in an airplane related terrorist attack is about the same as Bin Laden getting caught. It just isn't likely! However, our chances of dying from heart disease is very good.
There is a fine line between protecting the public and violating the traveling publics civil rights along with groping the traveling public.
I think I'll just stop flying altogether and start enjoying road trips on four wheels.
The scariest thing about all the opposition to this is, what are people REALLY hiding?
Of course it has gone too far, like every reaction in this country, we have to go over the top.
I smile when I hear politicians say we'll never give in to terrorists, we've given already! Look what we're doing to ourselves!
1. Standing naked in front of some TSA jerk with a hard on.
2. Letting some TSA stranger grab your crotch in the name of security.
3. Letting strangers go through your personal belongings as if you are a criminal.
4. Can't take your nail clippers, shampoo, toothpaste, anything to drink.......etc
All this just to get on a plane to see momma. Al qaeda must be laughing up their sleeves at us.
We've allowed the politicians and the media to frighten us to death, fill us with fear, so that now we'll let them do anything to us.
The sad thing is that it becomes the normal way of doing business and all us little lambs, say "yes sir, I understand, it is for my own safety".
No, the TSA hasn't gone to far to insure our security when flying.
I recently had an occasion where I was patted down, when flying from Rochester, NY to Florida.
I was arbitrarily pulled out of a long line, had my hands scanned for explosives and then was escorted through the metal detectors then had a full body pat down. The TSA agents were kind, courteous and explained everything they were going to do.
I actually thanked then for their professionalism, and appreciated the TSA efforts to keep me safe.
I am willing to go through and full body scan an or a pat down, if this is going to possibly prevent a terrorist from succeeding in blowing up a plane with the loss of many innocent lives.
In three weeks I will be flying to Europe and am fully prepared the new airport security.
I definitely think Airport pat-downs have gone TOO far!
Here's the solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners at the airports:
Have a booth you step into that will not X-ray YOU - but will detonate any explosive device you may have on you. It's a win-win for everyone, and there would be none of this stuff about racial profiling. It eliminates a long and expensive trial. Justice will be swift. Case closed!
This is so simple it's brilliant. I can see it now: You're in the airport
terminal and you hear a muffled explosion, followed by an announcement
over the PA system, "Attention standby passengers. We now have a seat available on Flight ...."
Works for me.
All this is done in the name of the Illusion of Safety. Anyone who is really serious about hijacking or blowing up a plane won't be using the ordinary civilian line, but will likely have the resources and contacts to go through lower-security paths, such as impersonating an airline employee, baggage handler or even a security guard. Criminalizing ordinary travelers does little to improve ACTUAL security and only increases the creativity of those who wish do to others harm.
So "people have a choice" do they? What a choice we have, indeed. Absorb radiation, get felt up by strangers, or stop flying, your "CHOICE". Okay, people, willingly submit to having any semblance of freedom removed from your lives. I choose not to fly. I don't miss it. I've traveled all I want to in my life, and I don't have to fly. I'm sorry for those of you who must fly. If you don't submit to this outrageous invasion of your privacy and your body, you will be sued by the fascist government, or put on a "no fly" list. All in the name of "safety", of course. That's always the excuse. Remember, cowards, what Ben Franklin said: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
I am a 9/11 Survivor, worked in 7WTC as a consultant with the US Secret Service at the time - and personally think this to be a disgrace. Israel has no such screening practices but has managed, despite being more of a target, to avoid terrorist attacks on planes for almost three decades. That is because they employ highly paid professionals instead of $10/hour security guards.
The first problem with airport security is that there should be a system that puts the frequent flyer apart, so that the quality of screening can be increased and improved. This will make airports much safer than the full body scanner.
On the other hand, security should be consistent at all airports. Body scanners are not everywhere, therefore security is applied inconsistently across the country, this is a form of discrimination.
Lets have the President and Senators go thru the a full body pat down and we'll see how quickly the system will be put into question ! The traditional impoliteness of TSA officers certainly does not help the whole process and if they were taught some manners, it would go a long way.
don't like it? Don't fly, end of subject
How many aircraft has the TSA prevented from being hijacked or blown up? ZERO. ZILCH. The Saudi's notified the US of the attempt out of Yemen. One of the few things that's made flying safer is the reinforced flight deck door. Oh, I'd rather go to the dentist, anyway.
No! Airport Security has not gone too far. The terrorists have acted and we are reacting. Nobody is staring at your private parts during these scans and nobody will be "grabbing your junk" while they are patting you down. Americans need to stop worrying about these professionals getting their jollies while they do theyre jobs. These folks screen thousands of people a day and are too busy trying to conduct a successful search to get their jollies looking at your private areas.
It's interesting how former Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff is now making a profit on the machines he promoted while still in office. The machines are not designed to protect us but to train us to submit. The TSA is a government entity and therefore is bound by the 4th amendment. Yes it is my choice to fly, but it is not the TSA's power to force me to endure X-rays equivalent to a chest X-ray, and "Grab my junk" if I disagree. We have become "The land of the sheep, and the home of afraid".
The next big headline concerning the TSA: "TSA seeks parole of all child molesters nationwide to perform groin checks".
After that will be: "TSA begins new Strip Search plan as last resort to stop air terrorism" Fliers will be allowed to keep their shoes but everything else will have to go. If the visual inspection is unsatisfactory, a full body pat down and body cavity search will be added. TSA Employees will be allowed to "plant" cocaine in any available body cavity to keep the mood light.
If this is the best we can do-who's worried about the terrorist sitting next to you lighting his underwear. Worry about the government. The people who work for us.
Just take a quick look at the personnel performing the airport screening and you will have the answer. Often, we should be the ones doing the "procedures on them". Sunday morning I took a relative to the airport. As I waited for her to be screened I was able to notice the appearance and the conduct of some of the "screeners". Deplorable!!! I do believe that we are in the middle of a typical government reaction. We are in the over reaction mode just waiting for common sense to take over and once more balance the response in relationship to the threat. Airport Security not only has gone too far, it is out of control.
In an effort to maintain safety I consider it not to be going to far. If one is not satisfied with submitting to the requirements to travel by air they still have other means of transportation at their disposal.
When TSA can assure me they have no perverts working for them, I'll let them pt me down. Until then, I hope the friendly skies are empty. In my state anyone that touches another's sex organs commits a felony.
The next step will be hiring pedophiles to screen children!
Stay home if you don't like it. It is better than being hijacked and blown to pieces.
I don't think it shows anymore than skin tight, skimpy, short clothes.
Again, stay home and don't cause delays for people who don't mind going through the law that the last president put into act.
I was wondering...Does the TSA have a "Don;t Ask Don't tell" policy? Hmmm. Why is agent that reviews the body scans hidden away in a nother room? Is the room dark? Hmmm? I predict the first wave of naked xrays will hit the internet within 6 months. Pleae understnad that the TSA agents are minimum wage workers and they have access to the internet and thumb drives too. The systems can't save the image? Please! Give me a break.
Yes, I think they have gone to far. Reminds me of the communist block countries in their day. This way, way out of line. There must be a better way with all the technology there is today. I have a teenage daughter and I cannot think of her going through a screening. Right now I am looking at train schedules to go to Florida to visit the grandparents. No more flying until this is straightened out.
I bet everyone in the plane was happy that the guy and his 'JUNK" was not on the flight.
Airport security has gone too far. At the root cause of this is the inability of Americans to rationally assess risk. The odds of any of us being involved in a terrorist incident is statistically insignificant. Even if you were flying on the morning of 9/11, the odds were overwhelmingly in your favor for not having been a victim of the attacks. When you compare the tiny risk of being involved in a terrorist attack with the certainty of being subjected to a violation of your physical person, the answer is easy. Less security and more comfort that the odds are on your side. In a big way.
What a bunch of whiners. These full body scans are fast and easy. So some stranger see's an outline of your genitals for five seconds. Out of all the scans they see a day, do you think you are so special they will all gather around and look at yours?
I just went through these scanners a few times on a recent trip. Your in, your out, and you are on your way.
Don't fly if you don't like it, and stop infringing on my right to feel safe!!!!!
Long live the scanners!
Jack, I can guarantee you that there is at least one group of people out there who are very upset over the TSA standards, and that group is al Qaeda, our sworn enemy.
This is all part of a gradual desensitization program designed to nudge the population ever closer to the "acceptable" loss of all rights of privacy. Life is dangerous. We all know the risks when we travel. Vigilance is underrated and security checks are not well targeted. We'd all be more safe if they simply passed out tasers to ALL adult passengers at the gate.
The TSA (Thousands Standing Around) is a joke! These full-body scanners are not necessary, and neither is the fondling of the groin area. What we should have in place are professionals like EL AL to perform passenger screening.
I fly almost every day of the week and I welcome whatever security will make my flight as safe as possible.
The idiots will complain about airport security being too invasive only until the next aircraft is blown up or hijacked.
When that happens they will be all over the TSA for not being strict enough in their security measures.
When will people realize there are crazies waiting for the TSA to get lax in their security measures to make a move.
We believe invading random foreign countries in the name of safety and security is necessary . A former president himself believes water boarding is a wonderful option to insure our safety. Universal phone tapping? Sure go ahead. It was only a matter of time until molesting our wives and daughters and/or taking naked photos of them at our airports was also an option. I can only imagine what comes after this.
I don't think airport security has gone too far. Do you want to be blown to bits in the air? Not a pretty way to go. But, I do think that the people who work at the airports have to drop the attitude. They seem to be on some kind of power trip. It's an uncomfortable situation for innocent people to have to go through all these security procedures. We're going on vacation, not to Attica.
Absolutely it has gone too far. Keep in mind the Ben Franklin quote:
"They who will give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
TSA has done nothing for public security.
The TSA has definitely crossed the line. We teach our children about "stranger danger" and that touching of their "private parts" is unacceptable behavior that should be reported. Do we change that to be unacceptable unless its a TSA official? Each civil liberty we give up, in the name of staying safe, gives Bin Laden another victory... even all these years later. I personally will no longer be using the friendly skies.
I was thinking... Do the TSA agents go through this body scan when they leave work to prevent the thumbdrive with images on it from finding its way to someones computer? I bet not. Then again, who is watching those workerbees. nobody. Oh well.
It will have gone too far when it has gone all the way and that is probably weeks away... after Thanksgiving, on your return flight !
Since 9/11 we've been giving up our rights, believing the government will keep us safe, The truth is they can not. There are so many ways for someone set on blowing up a plane to succeed. I am appalled that the gentleman who denied the pat down is being threatened with a law suit. I believe we are losing our freedom and the right to voice our opinion. I agree it is an invasion of my privacy. Unless we treat all passengers the same and require all of them to be searched we are not safe.
I already don't fly unless I absolutely must. This just reinforces that decision and will make me try even harder to come up with excuses not to fly.
I refuse to have total strangers get a view of my body currently limited to my doctor and husband, and I also refuse to allow them to cop a feel. This is insanity.
As a nurse I assure you that we(male or female) all have the "same parts." SECURITY is the important thing.....take a bus if you truly don't like the TSA's rules......
I travel almost weekly and am frustrated because we're following policies rather than following security best practices (i.e. common sense) for the environment. TSA agents are not well-trained and I've already seen abuse of their assumed entitlement. Full body scans will provide little benefit compared to health risks, religous issues and abuse by many TSA agents more concerned with sophmoric giggling than securing our flights.
TSA response – All items must be x-rayed, removal of jackets and belts, Computers screened separately
2. Explosives in shoes
TSA response – All the above plus removal of shoes
3. Liquid explosives
TSA response – All the above plus limit amount of liquids trrough security
4. Explosives in underwear
TSA response – All the above plus justification for touching someones "Junk"
What next ?
5. Terrorists smuggle explosives up their rectums
TSA response – All the above plus justification for body cavity searches ?
Yes, way too far.
The systems we already have in place are adequate. Don't forget the shoe bomber was on the no fly list. If procedure was followed he would have never have gotten on the plane. I should not be subject to search without cause. There are too many other ways for terrorists to attach to worry about searching passengers to the nth degree (luggage not 100% scanned, private planes not searched, cargo planes, trains, trucks, etc). Get over your fears. The world will never be a perfectly safe place. As is, airline travel is way safer than auto travel. If your so worried about airline terror, you should never leave your house. Let it be already.
Flying in a airplane is not a right, it is a privilege, just like having your driving license. If you do not want to be screened protest the best way by not spending your money and travel some other way. example (auto, train, bus, ship)
Yes, it's gone too far. Many of these security measures were implemented on rumors or bogus threats. The liquids/lotions thing is a good example. There was a rumor that someone would board and assemble a liquid bomb-but apparently never did. What has gotten on board that a full body image is necessary?
Absolutely! Where, in the name of security, will this insanity stop? This should be driving every American to outrage.
This is a blatant violation of the 4th Amendment – "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures". These searches are being done without warrants; without probable cause.
Every traveler is presumed guilty and must turn his body over to the government to be probed and scanned in order to establish his innocence.
All x-rays are cumulative in the body and eventually detrimental to your health.
Heck no they have not gone too far !!!! I'm a 65 year old female ....if one of those young handsome agents wants to pat me down....don't you dare try and stop him.
As a frequent business traveler, I've come to accept the group cleaning ritual (a.k.a.: security checkpoints) that are part of the pathetic travel process. Nevertheless, it's no surprise that infrequent travelers who already face miserable airline service will get testy at the prospect of intrusive body scans.
Yes Jack, these security checks have gone too far! What’s nexts the same for buses, trains and subways?!
Jim in Sunnyvale, Ca
I now anticipate flying with the same enthusiasm as a root canal which is to say only when absolutely necessary.
I have my crystal ball turned on. Ahhh, I see it now. It is coming in clearly. The future shows the car driver requiring permission from the TSA to drive your car each time you use it. They will schedule portable screening systems to come to your home prior to your entry into your own car. This obviously will improve safety. You will travel to your destination and hand over your approval card for your day of travel. Upon your need to return home you will ask for your approval card and again be subjected to screening. Oh how safe we will be.
America, you have lost the war already because you have lost your freedoms.
the reason behind the scans and patdown is safety,I can remember when I was too young to take a thermometer in in the mouth but for safety sake I was forced too take it in the rear we did these things for the good of all and going thru withthe embarresment aside for the good of all, man up and don't be a patsey for rights sake
Many people do not have a choice about flying. Some of us are required to fly hundreds of thousands of miles per year as part of our jobs. It is absurd to say that those of us prefer to do so without being tremendously inconvenienced, and without having the US government walk all over our constitutionally-guaranteed rights, should be the ones to "take a bus" (or drive or walk or whatever). Instead, if those who are afraid want to give in to the terrorists by disrupting our travel, costing us hundreds of millions of dollars every year, and convincing us to give up the freedoms people have died to protect for us, then they should be the ones who take an alternate mode of transport. If you are so terrified of the statistically minuscule risk of dying in an airplane as a result of a terrorist, then don't fly. You are thousands of times more likely to die driving your car to the train station than I am to die in an airplane at the hands of a terrorist. Your irrational fear does not trump my right to be protected from unreasonable searches.
Benjamin Franklin once said:
“He who gives up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety.”
I couldn't have said it any better myself!
To those saying "flying is a privilege, not a right, if you don't like the search, don't fly" – I'll just turn your argument around – if you don't like the risk inherent in flying, then YOU can avoid flying. You'll certainly agree to that, since you've already posited not flying as an acceptable solution to the problem.
Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither. The government is slowly conditioning the public to relinquish all rights to personal privacy. Today they tell us what to eat, tomorrow they will be grabbing our genitals. All in the name of "we know what's best for you because you don't".
We are a nation of sheep Jack. We let everybody shove us around. If the armed authorities in this country were as quick to stifle street drug gangs as they do the average citizen, we wouldn’t need so many authorities on salary! Sheep are easier to shove around than the real bad guys and more profitable too.
I find it fascinating how truly dangerous our airports are!
They're FAR more dangerous than in the combat zone of the war.
I say that because we DO NOT have such nonsense being done to enter one of our bases in the combat zone OR in the Persian Gulf, so obviously the USA is FAR more dangerous than where the war is actually going on!
I know about the security on our bases, which I will NOT enumerate, because I saw deployed to the Persian Gulf for nearly 5 years.
So, as it is excessively dangerous near the airport, I and my family will avoid travel by air.
I think it has gone too far, I understand the need for safety but I'm an American grandmother traveling with my dog to see my granddaughter. I'm routinely wand scanned or same sex body searched. The dog goes through without his collar Will the dog have to be now body searched? Are they are so afaid of being politically incorrect.
But you still have to remove your hat... jackets... shoes... watch... any money from your pockets... gum...
People have a choice. They can decide not to fly. I don't want to let people who are worried about this tremendous "invasion of privacy" set the policy for me. You don't like? Drive? Take a bus? You can't have your cake and eat it too.
If you don't have anything to hide you shouldn't care.
One bomb or gun found makes it worth it....right?
Full body scan of 5yr old son and then pat down search of him. way to far.
They have definitely gone too far. Nude photos of children, grabbing people's genitals (I don't care about how "professionally" they conduct themselves). I'm guessing this is step 1 before full body x-rays and cavity searches. Security experts agree that these new scanners do pretty much nothing to prevent terrorism, and are merely there as part of "Security Theater". A show put on to make the less informed people feel safer about traveling. A terrorist could easily hide explosives rectally or internally or even by having them implanted through surgery. We were already lied to by the TSA, that it was impossible to store photos, then we immediately learned that it was not only possible, but they had done it.
Some people disgust me with how easily they give up their rights that others have fought so hard to protect. They are probably the same people clapping for our troops in the airports or putting ribbons on their cars, then they turn right around and say things like "well, I'm not hiding anything, so I have no problem with this." or "don't like it, don't fly." Pathetic.
It sure sounds like all those people who say it hasn't gone too far don't travel very often – and won't likely have to deal with it themselves.
"Don't fly?" Great idea! Too bad work sometimes dictates flying.
Oh, and what happens when some idiot blows up a bus/train/overpass? Will be strip-searched and groped at every train station and on-ramp, too?
I am okay as long as they don't strip me naked. Privacy comes with having a life to live. If some crazy minded sneaks in with a bomb, enjoy your freaking privacy then....
I wonder about the mental state of someone who calls his own genitals junk. We are a most sexually repressed nation, afraid to be touched even to protect our own lives. Let's protest more important government and corporate misdeeds. like the control and genetic engineering of our food supply and the development of our open space and agricultural land and allow the TSA to protect us the best they can.
I always get the feeling that The Department of Homeland Security and the TSA and most other lettered groups were thought up by a group of Writers in a Hollywood Bar. The descriptions of what happens when going through Airport Security tell me that the Movie made from this would be X Rated. We inspect all people when going on a plane but almost no Containers sent from all over the world. I guess Corporate Money and Commerce is worth taking a risk, but Human Dignity is not. Why is common sense so uncommon?
Yes, the TSA has gone too far. I am traveling three times between now and New Years Day via airplanes. I am going to opt out of the porn machines/full body scanners for my first flight and see how that goes. I know I will have to get molested/patted down. I am tempted to ask the person patting me down for at least a drink or ask them if they are going to at least call me when it is over; but I fear I may get in trouble for that kind of comment. God help us all. The terrorists have us by the throat and have won. Our freedoms are being taken away by them. I hope more people will speak up about this. Next thing you know they will literally be giving us all our yearly exams, at least they'll be free and I wonder if they will count as a real exam.
That's right. I'd much rather be blown up over the Atlantic. That way, I still have my freedom, which means that the terrorists haven't won... we can't let 'em win.
As a frequent flier, I am absolutely against these invasive body scanning machines. I flew with my wife recently and thought it odd that in order to fly, she is REQUIRED to allow some guy (probably) see a naked picture of her. She won't even let ME take a naked picture of her. In all seriousness though, this is a gross invasion of privacy. And to those ignorant, weak individuals our there who say "oh, anything in the name of security", I disagree. There will ALWAYS be a point in which the loss of freedoms outweigh any "perceived" security. We should stand up for our rights.
The israelis are at far more risk and they do not use full body scanners.
Instead, they rely on behavioral profiling which seems to have worked very well for them.
As for these scanners that "don't record" don't be that naive. All the tech has to do is snap a shot of the screen with his cell phone and you may find yourself online in the buff...this is going to happen at some point.
Also, are they putting children through these scanners, and if they are, wouldn't that be child pornography?
The real questions is do the current security measure make us safer? There is no question that the new scanners and particularly the "pat downs" are intrusive. However, if there is good evidence that they have or will avert a terrorist hijaking or bombing, most people would (grudgingly) accept these measures. The problem, according to many experts, is that evidence does not exist. Intrusive government measures without evidence of benefit is not what we should be promoting.
Let's not forget that our elected representatives are not subected to any of these methods. They simply flash their credentials and breeze on through.
Big Sis has never been subjected to these methods. Lets see what would happen if these politicians were treated like the rest of the flying public and made to be sexually assulted or electronically strip searched.
We're driving to Arizona this year instead of flying because of this new procedure. We've taught our girls that no one can touch them in their private areas especially someone that tells tham they're a policeman. There's no way we're now going to tell them it's okay as it's not.
I would consider it assault if someone put their hands down my daughters pants.
Totally out of control and not going to put up with it.
Wasn't there a car bomb in Times Square? So why aren't we setting up check points for every automobile entering and leaving NY? Or...or...what if they choose Boston next...
Or explosives in a van outside of a federal building (remember Oklahoma City???) .so maybe all vehicles within a mile of a federal building should be scanned.
and the toner cartridge that apparently came within 17 minutes of exploding...that even with all the technology and a tip telling authorities where to look was hard to find...and had already been in the air on a passenger plane.
Tell me again about how this is ensuring my safety? And I also understand that this is not a risk-free world and it is impossible to absolutely ensure my safety..
Its absolutely outrageous and "IS" sexual harrasment in my opinion. I encourage everyone to opt out in order to disrupt travel schedules for airlines and airports. I travel alot across the country and the TSA are rude and ignorant in how the treat many passengers from what I have seen even prior to this technology. This is another way to invade of our privacy in this post 9/11 era which the government continues to endorse, under the guise of protecting our safety. Just wait until some child is inappropriately touched by some TSA monkey, then we will see how much the public will truely tolerate. Diplorable.
It has gone way over the edge!!! We are now the enemy!!!
"Those who would sacrifice freedom for a little security deserve neither." – Benjamin Franklin
As a veteran and former holder of security clearances, and having taken an oath to protect our country, I would now be willing to take an oath not to harm anyone on a plane unless in self defense, and never to take anything on board a plane that could be used to destroy that plane. I could then move right passed all of this security screenings, right! The real problem Jack is that my country wouldn’t believe me anymore. So, we are all suspects! We surrendered our freedom for security. Both it turns out are illusory!
I was amazed at the grilling the young man received when interviewed on CNN about standing up to TSA. I've seen different news agencies put their own perspective take on issues but this was way to obvious.
It's about time we let the government know we are tired of them, "protecting our safety", by taking more and more freedoms from us. Our biggest threat isn't someone trying to blow up a plane, it's the law makers in DC.
The TSA security is just a big show with no real security. As many have said we need to take lessons from the Israelis and forget about all the political correctness. The current system is a total waste of resources. A couple of years ago at BWI airport in Baltimore we saw a group of U.S. troups who had just gotten off a military plane returning from Iraq who all had to go through the whole security drill (shoes off etc) in order to get on civilian flights to go home after serving their country. What an insult to them and what a waste of time and resouces . Last week I saw a handicapped man in a wheel chair who appeared to be in his 70's have to get up in order to be searched! Ridiculous . No common sense whatsoever in the whole process.
As a woman who very recently endured a home invasion and sexual battery....and has an extensive family history of cancer, I guess I simply choose neither. I WILL NOT be sexually molested or publicly viewed just because the government says it's the way it must be.
I WILL hop in my car, drive to my destination, and support the local businesses along the way. I usually fly 5-6 times per year, but NO airline will get my business with these rules in place.
Yes they have gone way too far! Would you let your daughter/son/wife be touched in the Danger Zone? Why not let the dog sniff you out instead? Why not find another alternative way to do checks? Why do they have to see you nude or touch you to pass the checks? It seems to me that they want you to see you nude or feel you up!
If you ask me, this guy in San Diego went too far. His "gotcha" video succeeded only in proving that he is like way too many Americans these days, an attention whore who will do anything to get his self-important mug on camera. Shame on CNN for giving him the air-time he was looking for and shame on me for spending the past 45 seconds thinking about his stunt.
For many business travelers, air travel is not a "privilege" but part of the job description. Put yourself in the shoes of a sales rep who needs to fly every day. How would you like to be groped daily to earn a pay check?
Our national "security system" is an illusion, one that can be easily defeated in so many ways. I would rather live my life with risk and be free than succumb to undignified and invasive screenings cooked up by TSA. Live free or die!
It has gone too far. You only need to scan 1% of the travelers.
The 1% if they don't like it, screw them. Let them take the stagecoach. We need a government to rule by logic and not by political correctness.
We need engineers to run the country, not lawyers.
How arrogant are you people to think that a screener is going to spend his time and risk his job to capture a picture of the hairless outline of your body? and even if he/she managed to capture that image, what could they possible do with it? Are you really telling me that if youre standing in a line of people going through security to get on the airplane with your that you want the TSA to rely solely on metal detectors to find that piece of plastic explosive hidden in his underpants? or strapped to his leg?
Two things come to mind. First, what about a system based on the one used by Israelis? They don't rely solely on scanners and pat downs. Most passengers passing through their air ports are not scanned or patted down. I would guess that the odds of a terrorist attempt would be much higher than in Buffalo or Houston.
I have given up plans to fly this year just because of the intrusive nature of the security. I would rather drive 3 day rather than fly 4 hours. Taking my shoes off and not carrying over three oz of any liquid was bad enough. I am not a terrorist, I don't fit the profile, I have ill intent toward no one. I just want to be able to travel with reasonable safety expectations. I don't need protection from the little old lady's finger nail scissors. Just from the package in the cargo hold.
Absolutely not. As long as someone can still take explosives in their shoes or a box cutter in their pocket on any plane that I or a loved one could be on, then you can deal with being "groped" a little. Just close your eyes and think of college again like the rest of us.
Perhaps this is just all part of the administration's plot to further the high-speed railways. Make people so uncomfortable going through the airport they'll use the taxpayer funded railways the government seems intent on shoving down the taxpayer's throats.
"Flying is a privilege not a right so...." How about driving is a privilege and not a right, so every time before you can start your engine, you need to call up and have police show up to check your breath to make sure you are not drunk?
It's unfortunate that we've come to this point but none of us asked for it. Grandma wants ME home for Christmas, not to watch me go down in some fireball. Look folks, we all come in two basic models – male and female – stop flattering yourself. TSA is trying to keep us safe (despite the bad attitudes of a few). If someone gets their jollies by seeing my junk or copping a feel, I hope it's good for them. After a few thousand people, it's all pretty boring. Besides, I never plan to see them again anyway. I would, however, like to see grandma again after a safe flight. Still flattering yourself? Take the car!
This is absolutely ridiculous. Anyone with half a brain and a fair grasp on logic will understand that statistically, terrorist attacks are almost a non-existent threat when compared to realistic, likely-to-happen threats. Should we install breathalyzers in all vehicles now? Far, far more people are killed by drunk drivers each year than terrorists, so it makes far, far more sense to monitor that instead! Idiots!
Can't you nanny-loving ignoramuses understand that you are allowing the government to slowly take away your basic human dignity, all on the excuse that it *might* catch a needle in a haystack? Seriously? You're willing to give up your dignity for something that probably won't even do much good? Disgusting!
YES. Yes, to you appalling cowards! I would rather take the 1 in 16,553,385 chance of dying in a terrorist attack on American soil, than provide our government with the ability to not only take away my dignity now, but also to gain the realization that its citizens are a bunch of retarded morons who will willingly give up their freedoms in exchange for a tiny, tiny bit of security.
I can see how airport security may become a sexual harassment issue. Government is too intrusive in many areas. In schools they call sexual harassment issues, "academic performance issues" (illegally) and it may be that airports call sexual harassment issues, security issues. We are becoming more of a police state
There is a problem with just profiling. The shoe bomber was a black guy from the UK,. the underwear bomber was from Africa (but had a muslim name), and as I recall one of the guys suspected was a hispanic guy from the US, so there is no "profile" that works. The issue is that there has not been a plane bombed out of the sky or flown into a building since 9/11, and the biggest problem is in cargo rather than passengers. Let the TSA change and screen luggage and cargo more securely, but let passengers get the minimal screening.
Since all airline travelers are required to be screened, either a pat-down or go through an X-ray machine, is TSA willing to sign a document that guarantees that no harm comes from all x-rays taken whenever we may travel?
Justin November 15th, 2010 5:00 pm ET
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
– Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
Airport Security has indeed gone too far. There comes a point, as Mr. Franklin so astutely pointed out, where the enemies of freedom win not by their actions, but rather by the actions of those who would be its protectors. Eventually the ideals that make America great will have been so compromised in the name of security that our children will hear the words "Land of the free and home of the brave" and ask us if such a place really existed, once.
It seems that all of those who seldom or never travel by air are in favor of the current level of security. Those who fly are opposed. Those who believe in scientifically determined fact know that driving to the airport is the riskiest part of the trip, with or without invasive security in the airport or on the plane.
The Bush administration taught us that the government is not trustworthy and not on the side of liberty. The Obama administration has done nothing to dispel that, and has defended the previous administration's policies with gusto. Do you really believe these people when they say the scanners are harmless? Doctors caution against excessive dental x-rays, so why would the radiation from a security scanner be any safer? Why is it that there are no independent reports on these devices, leaving us with no credible source of information?
What kind of screening does TSA do to hire its employees? How does TSA filter out sick pedo's who will LOVE the chance to molest our sacred children? How will TSA screen for that? SICKO
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety and shall lose both. ~Ben Franklin. We need to draw the line somewhere, or soon it'll be "show me your papers" at every stop light in the hunt for terrorists. And all this fancy technology doesn't get us anywhere because the terrorists will always find new ways to get around it, and by implementing this ridiculous security measures we're giving them exactly what they want. Also the Constitution specifically addresses this issue in the 2nd Amendment, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." This is a clear violation of basic civil liberties.
Add mine to the voices who say it has gone way, way too far. Face it, we would be safer if everyone flew naked–we are now just one step away from this.
You wanted security....you got it!
Can't have security and privacy at the same time! Big Brother has won if you want to "fly the friendly" skies!
Everyone would know exactly why we have to go through this if actual journalists would just tell us if the businessmen who sell the machines are also political donors of those who decide to purchase them.
Of course not I love to been touch from TSA agents
As a frequent air traveler I am mortified at the incompetence of the TSA personnel and the lack of consistency in security policy, airport to airport. Some airports it's take the belt off, others it's leave it on. Most seem to provide "Baggies", some don't (Milwaukee). A few provide "Booties" (Milwaukee), most don't. Why? I recently saw a line of ~75 people waiting to go through security with only one lane open, and 15 TSA's employees muddling around doing nothing. Unfortunately I see this too often.
Meanwhile, as we take airport security to shameful extremes, we apparently do nothing at bus stations, train stations, shopping malls, convention centers, and the like.
It's gone too far.
What happened to the assurances that these machines would NEVER be used for primary screening?
What happens when a passenger of size goes through and hides something under a roll of fat?
What happens when they feel a sanitary pad during the pat down or see it in the scanner? Will the passenger be required to remove it and show them the offending item?
What happens when someone blows up a mall, a bridge, or a train? Are all the people that say "anything in the name of security" happy with just sitting in your house all day? Is that the definition of freedom? Leaving your house is a privilege?
A determined person is going to what they intend to do no matter how much we abuse the traveling public. This is not security, this is plain and simple theater. No one is truly any safer.
If 20 guys and their confederates can lead us to this, then the terrorists have indeed already won. The world's a scary place my friends. We expect our soldiers to have courage and honor in fighting our wars, I expect my fellow citizens to display courage and honor in living our peace. Franklin said it best: "Those that would give up a small amount of liberty, for a small amount of security, deserve neither, and will lose both". If you think that this country will become great again without the courage and sacrifice of its people playing a role in it, then you had best think again.
I respect the right of people to refuse full body scans and pat downs. Those people can take a train, a boat, a bus, or drive. There is no constitutional right to fly. If you want to board an airplane, you have to agree to the search.
My 13 year old granddaugher is flying to visit me over her winter holiday. I don't want her being scanned. I'm concerned about the radiation dosage at that age. How do we explain to her that her health could be in jeopardy or that it's okay to let people molest her after spending years teaching her that it's not okay for strangers to touch her.
Airport security has far overstepped the bounds of common sense and decency...and is likely ineffective against a really determined terrorist. We need to look toward the extremely successful Israeli security measures and adopt at least some of them, rather than x-raying or groping little old ladies and children.
Hey, this should make the TSA agents' jobs more interesting... maybe they'll actually do something.
If you would have told someone 60 years ago how easy it was to scare Americans you probably would have been called a commie. In the last 10 years, including 9/11, you are more likely to die riding a bike than riding a plane.
The real question is "can it go too far?" I remember landing in Athens, Greece. Since it was an International flight, the plane landed and parked about half-a-mile from the terminal on a slab of concrete out in the open. The baggage was unloaded and inspected by Uzi-toting guards. Once they were satisfied, we were unloaded and then matched one-by-one to our luggage, which we had to pick up and take to a waiting area a short distance away. Once all the luggage was accounted for, the guards called for several buses to come and pick us up. We were driven to a terminal and unloaded from the buses, where we had to go through the baggage drill again. Then we were processed through customs and escorted by the Uzi-toting guards out to the front of the terminal. Americans have never seen security. The whining that is going on now is just the bleating of ignorant fools who live in an open and safe society. Compared to most countries that have their acts together, airport security in the US is a joke.
John A. Novak of the Federal Air Marshal Service reportedly made a remark about "traveling minstrel shows." A senior administrator with the Federal Air ...CNN Reports
Maybe if the TSA can control their own, it might just make sense!
This entire thing is a gross violation of the 4th Amendment. I find it disgusting that our so called government keeps trying to strip us of our civil liberties and privacy rights. The Terrorist are no longer the Terrorist....Our own Government are the real Terrorists.
Here's a simple solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners at the airports:
All we need to do is develop a booth that you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have hidden on or in your body. The explosion will be contained within the sealed booth.
This would be a win-win for everyone.
There would be no racial profiling and the device would eliminate long and expensive trials.
“They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security”
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