When it comes to immigration reform, are worker ID cards a good idea? (Photo Credit: Getty Images)
From CNN's Jack Cafferty:
If you think health care reform is ugly, just wait until Congress tries immigration reform again.
The Senate has begun work on an immigration bill and at the center of this new plan is a controversial requirement for all American workers to get identification cards.
It's meant to prevent employers from hiring illegal immigrants. Right. If you think the corporations that make huge profits on the backs of an illegal alien workforce are going to let something like that get through, think again.
Under the plan - all legal workers, including citizens and immigrants, would have to get an ID card that includes biometric information like fingerprints.
The Wall Street Journal reports the card would be phased in among all workers, including teens; and among all employers, starting with industries that rely on an illegal immigrant workforce. Now there's an idea.
Supporters say such a worker ID card would be a way to guarantee illegal immigrants don't come here for jobs because they wouldn't be able to get them.
But critics worry about violating people's privacy. They say such worker ID cards could wind up being a type of national ID card that would allow the government to track everything people do - from working to voting to traveling. Many European countries require everyone to carry ID cards.
This immigration bill would also offer a pathway to citizenship for the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants already living here, but they'd have to register, pay taxes, pay a fine and wait in line.
Amnesty with some inconvenience attached. And for many Americans, it's a nonstarter. Anything resembling amnesty won't cut it.
Here’s my question to you: When it comes to immigration reform, are worker ID cards a good idea?
Interested to know which ones made it on air?
Ed from California says:
You can have all the IDs you want. One for every day of the week if need be. The problem is the people employing the undocumented worker, that's the problem. These employers, who are saving a buck on labor, need to be caught, prosecuted, fined and jailed, and put permanently out of business. And their workers should be deported.
Battle from says:
This is a bad idea. We have immigration laws on the books that simply need to be enforced. The ability of the government to track anything about me is unacceptable.
Dan from New York says:
I don't have a problem. I was born here, and have no issues. If it stops the flood of illegal workers here and forces companies to pay real wages, I'm all for it.
Worker ID cards are not a good idea, but E-Verify and employer prison time for those who hire illegals would be a good idea.
More big government? Don't we already have something like this? Isn't it called a Social Security card?
Michael from Dallas, Texas says:
Jack, When I got hired for my last job I had to bring a passport, a driver’s license and my Social Security card. Now we worry about just one card?
Bob from Texas says:
Once again, Jack, they want to attack the good guys to get to the bad guys. Those of us who work but don't want to carry big brother’s tattoo will find ourselves unemployed, while illegals and their employers will find ways around this law… This is a lot like the terrorist problem. The government can't handle it, so we have to submit to full body searches to get on an airplane.
Let's cut to the chase and have our government tattoo numbers on foreheads!
There is no such thing as immigration reform. there is only enforcement of the immigration law, or non-enforcement.
Basically, the government is choosing to ignore illegal immigration, and convince the citizens, it is ok, to allow the US to become "Mexico Norte".
That would likely please the drug addicts, anyway. The drug supply would be endless, given the amount of control the drug lords have in Mexico.
I think the citizens should demand enforcement, and that every citizen and law enforcement agency in this country should be allowed to lock up illegal immigrants, until the government deports them.....no matter how long that takes.
Illegal is, after all......ILLEGAL!
I say yes. We all need certain legal documents, drivers license, car insurance card, social security card, etc. why not an ID card? I think it would solve many problems.
Just American workers are a better Idea
The FED counterfeits dollars and every criminal who wants one will directly or indirectly counterfeit ID cards, drivers licenses, passports, credit cards and any other document that they need to do their thing.
Union cards are a better idea. If you repealed right to work laws and all immigration restrictions, immigrant labor would have no attraction to any employer not facing a labor shortage.
No. The libertarian in me says only ill could come of it. Any good that might have arisen would be eliminated by forgeries.
There is a case in California where a pudgy middle-aged caucasian male, with phony ID, took a CDL exam for a 22 year old Hispanic male. He also was paid by people to take college entrance exams after showing fake ID's. This has gone on for almost a decade since 9/11, only now being caught. You can issue an ID but people have to actually look at them to be worth while.
Are you joking? There is a federal border, there are state borders there are county borders, and city borders; why if the government isn't doing what we pay them to do should we as private citizens be forced to check peoples identifications without getting reimbursed for our time and trouble to do what we already paid the government to fail at doing? It is time that we demand the federal state and local governments to seal off the borders and cut off all entitlements to illegal immigration! The reason this isn’t done is because big corporations and Mexican Nationalist using illegal workers are paying off our government representatives and government agencies. Just watch the movie Food Inc if you don’t understand what I am saying!
Jack: Worker ID Cards are not only a good idea but all business' should require an ID card.
How else do you control who works or is permitted to be in the work area?
Immigration reform or not all employers should issue ID cards!
The illegals will simply forge the workers cards.
No – too much room for abuse. Gotta wonder what the word "illegal" means anymore. The only way to reform is to remove those here illegally and anyone wanting to become a citizen has to go through the system and prove they can support themselves and their family. Living in a border town, we cannot afford to support another influx of illegals given amnesty added to our already bankrupt state.
They are a great idea, not only for workers but as voter id.
Why not? I carry a driver's liscense, proof of insurance, social security card, and if I leave the country I need a pass-port. When I served in the Air Force I needed an ID badge and an ID card.
When I worked in industry I needed an employee ID badge and when I worked in a school district I had to ware an employee ID badge.
I don't get all of the fear of ID's we seem to go overboard when we ask apply the same rules to imigrants I have lived with for all of my adult life.
Its time to get over it and get on with documenting illegal aliens.
I personally think they will be as effective as the current Green Card system. Someone will figure out way around any system that is put in place.
It is a necessity, but don't try to verify any of them !!!
Isn't this what a green card is for?
Immigration is easy. Just do away with all the Nationalism, make citizenship a streamlined process that can achieved by getting a driver liscence. If an immigrant can speak, read & write well enough to pass a drivers exam then let them go seek work and pay their taxes. Any security issues can be taken care of at the time of application.
Jack: Yes worker ID cards are a very good idea. People who are supoose be at a business or office need to know if a person is an employee or visitor. Work place violence is on the rise, and ID cards at least let security personnel know the status of people at a work site.
When people leave a business or industrial complex for what ever reason they need to turn in their ID cards to the personnel office.
This is just another useless and ineffectual intrusion. If illegal workers can replicate other forms of fake I.D.’s , how will this be different? If we want to keep illegal workers from working then seriously go after the businesses that hire them.
What's the point? A worker id card would be just another piece of documentation that could be forged. Until employers bear the responsibility of making sure that the people they hire have the right to work in his country, anything else is just a stop-gap.
It has been the ultimate dream of the socialists for years. One card for all of your government benefits and control of you by the government. Your papers please.
Id cards will be good for the people who print them and sell them to the illegals. We need to round them up, ship them out, and stop giving illegals free medical care at hospitals and free education or we will all be broke and out of a job. Electric fences on the border and alligators in the rio grande would help to prevent re-entry. If we stop giving unemployment benefits to citizens they would take care of the illegals out of sheer survival. If washington is not serious about the illegal problem then we need to stop talking about it and just let it destroy the working class of this country. If we can attack, kill, and bomb innocent civilians in other countries at will then we can solve this problem.
No absolutely NOT. We have enough of a burden with the illegals now and LEGAL Americans are suffering with losing homes, having no healthcare, and losing jobs. Let another country take the Haitians. TAKE CARE OF AMERICANS IN TROUBLE FIRST.
This is just another layer of bureaucracy that will be politicized and manipulated if it is enacted. Not only that, but crooks can already copy social security cards, drivers licenses, and green cards, what is to stop them from copying these new cards? It will cost millions to get this up and running, millions to maintain, and millions more to keep up with the counterfeiters. All to do what, keep a few thousand people from getting jobs in the U.S? We have already crossed the threshold. There are so many illegals here now that we can do nothing about it. I say let's just concentrate on throwing out the criminals, and leave the rest to live the "American Dream." Is it, after all, just a dream.
I think we need to do everything we can to ensure that the people holding jobs in this country are citizens of this country - and if it takes ID cards to do that, I'm all for it. Especially in this terrible economy. My family came to this country as poor Irish - the legal way. They worked hard to earn citizenship and respect in this country. The people who have flooded our borders illegally need to go home. There are rules that govern immigration, and they must be enforced to protect the interests of law abiding, legal citizens.
No, not a good idea. Cards can be forged.
YES! I don't care where you came from, I want to know who you are! If you're wanting to work here, I want to know who you are. If you want to live here I want to know who you are! If you're going to use my tax dollar through some assistance program, I want to know who you are! If you're not having wages earned here being taxed I want to know who you are. If you want to be here you need to be accountable and here legally.
Flower Mound, TX: you bet they are, at least it's a start. If someone shows up with an ID Card, at least it shows that they are playing by the rules. It would also make it easier for an employer to hire someone with an ID card. The employer would not have to jump thru hoops to make sure they were not hiring illegal immigrants.
Yes! We need to get control of our borders.
ID cards would be a good idea if they are made as foolproof as possible. Counterfeit or stolen social security cards seem to be easy to come by, and I can see that happening with ID cards. Some type of forensic identification should become the norm if the system has any chance of effectively working.
Tatoo's come to mind...Adolph...who know's what will work. We are a paranoid lot.
Got to have some way to see who are U.S. citizens, the U.S. has to many unemployed people to be handing out jobs to non-citizens. We have got to tighten our belts and take care of our people first, we can't feed the world
I'm not informed enough on this idea to offer an opinion either way. On the surface it seems OK but I have this feeling there's more to this than I think.
They (senators) all have know about this for years I met with Sen
Alan Simpson and he
showed me his fake ID
in Washington in 1992
that was when I told him we needed "A Workers License" just like a drivers license.
These guys want to take
10 yrs and 10 Trillion dollars to put a system
in that no small business
can use. The goverment
want s employers to join
the border patrol because they can't get it
done. They fined me $1million dollars for
At the very least it would open a new job market for the people who make fake IDs.
It's a start but don't we already have that with the green cards? If everyone though health care reform was tough, wait until they tackle immigration reform. Mark my words, tea partyers will go nuts, the protests will be huge and the nation that was built by immigration will send the message that immigrants are no longer welcome.
I want someone in government to explain WHY a "pre" Census letter was needed to tell me and millions more, that a Census was soon to sent tout? Are they morons? Do we get a "pre" invoice that businesses tel lus a "bill" is coming soon? Does IRS send us a notice that we need to pay taxes each year?
The morons spent 44 MILLION dollars to tell people in a ONE page letter before, telling people that a stimulus check was being sent out!! Yes,
44 MILLION !! On what!?? I am STILL waiting for an ANSWER !!!
We need to FIRE some idiots in government. Star with ICE that gives student visas and never follows up to be SURE the students are actually attending. It is NOT the schools responsibility. Government gives Visa and MUST make sure they attend.
Get off your rears and DO the JOBS!!!
Yes and we already have them. They are called driver's licenses or birth cetificates. We already have to fill out an I-9 to verify we are legal to work in this country. What do they want now, a tattoo on our forhead that says "Born in the USA"?
Not unless we want a system akin to South African Apartheid. That's how the White minority kept the Black majority in check in South Africa. Granted, that's what some Republicans want, but most Americans want will likely say NO!
Better than the system we have now, but I don't believe we should be granting any sort of amnesty or free rides to citizenship for those who broke the law to come here. We all know the so called fine they claim they will pay will be waived due to lack of funds available to pay for it. However, part of becoming a citizen should be the requirement to prove they are able to support their families and they should not be allowed on any sort of public assistance. We cannot add another 11 million to the already ballooning entitlement programs.
A few years back during a business trip to El Paso, Texas, I crossed the border into Juarez. My host had a particular tavern in mind for lunch. On the return, I noticed dozens of billboards from American companies, advertising jobs in the U. S. Until we deal with the immigration problem at the 'root,' we'll never solve it, no matter how much lipstick the government puts on this pig.
Jack I think it will help keep honest people honest but it will do little to stop people from hiring illegal aliens in this country. It will be similar in nature to drivers licenses and insurance. The law requires you have both in order to operate a motor vehicle on a public roadway yet people still drive without either. The only true way to stop the illegal hiring practices is to go after the employers with heavy fines and jail time. When it becomes cost prohibitive to hire illegal aliens then it will stop and not until. Besides, wasn't the whole purpose of a social security card the same concept? You know, identification and proof that you could legally work to an employer?
Excuse me. Isn't that ID card currently called a Social Security Card?
Yes Jack, it is a very good idea. I am speaking as someone who has been an executive for fast food companies, and as someone who has fought hiring illegal immigrants. Without some kind of forgery proof identification or a fool proof verification system, it is impossible for companies not to hire illegal immigrants. The illegal immigrants know how to get fake IDs and when the employer asks for them they deal them like dealing out of a deck of cards. It is the legal workers that usually struggle to show IDs not the illegals. The employers are helpless, because if they falsely accuse some one of being illegal they get in a lot of trouble and they are not document experts to detect forged documentation.
We already have a workers ID card it is called
Social Security. The issue is that they are easily duplicated an illegal alien can buy one for $25. What is required is for all employers who issue 1099's must deduct income tax, social security and medicare from the payment. There should be SEVERE penalties for employers who do not collect and pay the taxes. The employer is the real problem not the worker. Illegal aliens should never be permitted to become US Citizens since they came here initially totally ignoring our laws. They should be permitted to work, pay taxes then GO HOME and get in line to immigrate in accordance with our laws. .
Very Orwellian, so I'm sure it will come to pass. There will be huge fortunes to be made from producing forged worker IDs, and if you look at it the right way, I guess it's like another job opportunity. Our government loves to create black market situations. Bring it on.
Given that it;'s been shown the some illegal immigrants have stolen identities of U.S. Citizen's, what good will issuing worker ID cards do? How long before someone is able to forge worker ID cards?
I don't see the worker ID cards as a viable option.
A National ID card would be better becasue it could serve as both documents. As for the liberals who will cry about invasion of privacy or some such nonsense, my reply would be that if you are here LEGALLY and not a felon or fleeing from arrest, you have nothing to hide. After all, you are required to have a SSN, this is just and SSN with a picture and anti-counterfeiting technology.
The ID card is a good idea but not pertinent because it would take 10 years or more to be effective. New Social Security cards should be constructed this way – still a long time to solve the problem of ID theft and fraud widely used by illegals. We need to emphasize e-Verify . Time to end the ID mess.
I think we absolutely need to do something to stem illegal immigration. This festering problem will only get worse if unchecked. National ID cards? Why not? I have a driver's license, a passport, EZ Pass, cell phone and the like which probably could give someone a fair idsea of where I'm going, if they are interetsed. I also have a bunch of credit cards which say a lot about where I go and do. So - why worry about a single ID card?
Absolutely Jack - it's a necessity who's time has come. A national I.D. card is simply a more sophisticated social security card. Once established the first cards ought to be issued to folks at the ACLU.
Gary in Scottsdale, Arizona
How about everyone getting a chip implanted under their skin so the government can keep track of everyone? Does that sound like something out of the bible? This will never followed by free thinking people. The government is going to keep pressing this crap till there is a full fledged overthrow of the morons in Washington.
Naw. Lets just cut to the chase and get a big A branded in the middle of our forhead then no one without the mark will be able to buy or sell or get health care or anything else.Man I'm cashing out and moving to Canada.
Yagotta be kiddin' Jack. I'm am not a conspiracy theory person Jack. But when I hear talk of national ID cards and worker ID cards I have got to wonder what is the real goal the government is attempting to achieve. Immigration reform can be quite simple: Inforece existing laws and start now. What group is behind this and why?
What the heck. The government already keeps tracks of all citizens through SS, phone taps, etc. Wh dowe want to exempt the illegals from the same privelieges that are put upon us. And when ObamaCare kicks in, they'll even have excess to our medical records. Big Brother Obama is watching us.
Great idea for immigrants, not American citizens.
Hi Jack –
I think it is a good idea ... however, with the inept think tank called Washington Politics driving this, it is sure to be a disaster. Perhaps if it was run by a private enterprise firm I would have faith in our capatalist abilities to make it work.
You bring to light the concern about privacy. Since when should Americans be worried about the privacy of an undocumented illegal immigrant? We have a good tool called eVerify that would help. I work on a government contract so I am required to register with the I9 eVerfy tool. Why is it required for goverbnment associated jobs and not with industries that rely on an illegal immigrant workforce? Must be that privacy issue.
I do believe that amnesty for long term illegals is viable. These illegals are genuinely good people who assist in providing services within our economy. I am sure that the Mexican illegals would rather be American than be forced to go back to that rat-hole, corrupt country from which they left.
Jack, It will not work have you ever heard of Counterfeiting; it will become a booming business again.Plus people will just take their chance on getting caught anyway. This Country has to do what all the other countries do when people break the Law ,lock them up and then Deport.
as long as your not a mexican you can get away with being a money worshiping 3rd world migrant living illegally while still gettting a house or apartment....the statue of liberty was a trick from france to get troublesome people where they were trying to colonize out of the areas ... but, the statute represents moral people rich or poor not drug pushing innocent stealers who find out about the liberal charity of social welfare....so, when microsoft teachesthe 3rd world how to use the computer while foresaking the u.s. people most technological advancement is stolen by venture capitalist leaving the u.s. to suffer at the hands of cheap labor substitutes sexploitating our women becuz they got the jobs we gave them as a form of compassion they backs tab as a kind of "that the way it is " attitude
If it would save money, sure. It would keep track of non-national workers as well.
No worker cards for legal citizens. It is absolutely a violation of privacy and is wide open to counterfeiting. I don't have a problem with 'green cards' for legal immigrants, student visas for students to come here, get an education and then go home. And I have no problem for the rarely issued political amnesty cards.
And I have no problem w/an abridged amnesty program for those who are already here illegally, but are working,paying taxes, kids are going to school, etc. Then we proceed with a program for anyone who lives in another country and wants to live here. Is it Switzerland that has income verification, etc before any one can immigrate there? That may be a bit over the top, but maybe not.
But don't even think about requiring me or any other citizen of this country to carry an ID card...doesn't anyone understand 'identity theft'?
Unfortunately we are well on our way to needing a national id card. ("Your papers, please!) The problem, of course, will be in making it unable to be forged. However, we already have so many problems with credit cards, social security numbers being compromised, etc., that perhaps a national id card needs to be implemented. In the end, though, the illegal immigration problem could be ended if employers did not hire them. They plead ignorance, but there is so much "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" there, that it's hard to believe people who claim to have been duped. I've heard employers complain that Americans don't want to work. Americans don't want to work for pennies. Illegals are willing to do so. Go to any major hotel. Are there Americans employed there? Spanish is spoken in virtually any hotel corridor whenever we travel.
I don't know, Jack, it sounds like a good idea to me. In these days of identity theft, anything that helps bolster ones own authenticity I think is great. Not to mention keeping businesses honest as to who they are hiring. Credit cards, debit cards, security cameras and the internet already track us quite thoroughly, so I say lets be accountable for who is here legally and who isn't and let get these cards printed up.
I'm 81 years old and printed on the face of my social security card is, For "Social Security Purposes . Not For Identification".
Que Sera, Sera.
"You are at War. I remember when I was a kid in England, during, after WWll . We all had Identity Cards. eIther you recognise this or you are at risk of being invaded from within. I don't care what Obama does to try and disect how unfair it is, that more Whites are employed than Blacks, because he won't be there much longer."
This part of the article sums up my thoughts:
"Anything resembling amnesty won't cut it."
Depends on the cost. Even then, whats to keep them from entering and doing side jobs that aren't on a payroll?
What a bunch of fear mongering. The ONLY reason that these cards are a problem is that they won't change a thing and will simply mean more paperwork.
Jack, will it be enforced any better than other immigration laws on the book? Right!
Jack, we already have them! They are called Social Security Cards. All that needs to be done is change the format to add the biometric info and we are done. People who are worried about their "privacy" are idiots. The only way to keep the government from doing whatever they wish to track, analyze, evaluate a person, in this day and age of technology, is to live in a cave with no contact with anyone/anything on the outside, never earn money, never file taxes, never work, never see a Dr., no phone, no electricity, etc. If it keeps illegals from working, it is GOOD!! Bring it on!!
we already have green cards....
We already have laws in place. We are already identified by SSNs, birth certificates, and drivers licenses.
Stop spending MORE money on wasteful and meaningless red-tape and actually enforce the laws.
Put employers in jail and take their businesses away from them. There are actual Americans that need jobs and need to get off the dole as well.
It sounds like a backdoor attempt to get national ID cards. Its bad enough what we have to go through to get a drivers license, what kind of and how many different identifications would we need to get an employee ID? Why don't they just brand everyones ID on their forehead and get rid of all the other IDs. A drivers license or state ID should be all that one ever needs to prove their ID or residency.
Jack, I have two worker ID's already. A SS card and a drivers license. Need I say more?
Having lived in Arizona and New Mexico I can say the idea is long overdue. If they eventually become national ID cards that is fine with me. In this era we need to know who is here legally and who is not. If employers can't hire people without the card proving they are here legally, than people won't break our laws to come here illegally. We need to halt the illegal tide crossing our borders. Immigrants have always been welcome in our country, BUT don't break our laws and violate our borders then expect jobs, welfare, health care, and a path to citizenship. It sure wouldn't happen if we were going the other way!! If you want to come here we have a process all should have to follow.
Yes!!!! Now we are talking.
A worker ID card might be harder to steal then a SSN which employers are supposed to use to verify workers.
But I believe suprise audits would still be needed on employers to verify all their worker actually have a worker ID card and that finger prints match the worker to the card.
I don't think a worker ID card is any more threatening or an invasion of privacy than a drivers license or SSN.
There should NEVER be a national Id card. Despite what the government says it is doing they will use this info for other purposes down the road. Once you are registered in their system it is open for abuse.
Im pretty sure Jack, the illegals are already here.
So, isnt it best to know who they are? And tax them?
Im fairly certain it will cost infinitely more money in the long term, pretending illegals arent here...or rounding them up and shipping them back to mexico, or filling our prison systems with them.
Got any better solutions? Since ya know, amnesty wont cut it for the simple minded folks?
Aside from all of the other issues (which should make this a non-starter), how are we going to pay for this?
No way in hell. Natural born citizens should not EVER be penalized for failing to check in with big brother, no matter how "bad" the illegal immigration issue may be.
Tightening the reins on the legal, hard-working types has NEVER been successful at curbing the actions of scoff-laws, but they sure have been good at restricting the rights of responsible citizens.
Are National ID Cards a good idea? Sure, Jack, if you don't like people with brown skin or if you love fascism.
Anyone remember the ID cards of 1930's Germany? Pink triangles, yellow stars of David, etc.... First they came for the immigrants...
What's next, I'll get arrested for wearing my crucifix in public because it's not the "right" kind of Christianity according to the Teabaggers and Fundies?
In America, ID cards are the antithisis of freedom and liberty. I will not support bigotry, hate or fear. I am an American.
Sounds like everyone will be elgible regardless of they' re immigration status.
If everyone gets a card then we don't need the Cards
Unless it's sole purpose is to collect revenue as opposed to the public good
No, government is taking many rights from us as it is, and now our own identity. "Land of the Free" ?
Last time I checked, everyone that gets hired to do a job was required by law to show a Social Security Card and photo ID to prove they are who they say they are and are legal to work. If people are hiring illegals that can't present the currently required documentation, why would they not hire illegals that can't present any documentation required in the future?
This is a pointless idea.
It's a wonderful idea. The military and many other organizations have had ID cards for years with no loss of privacy. As you noted, many European countries have also required their citizens/residents to have ID cards, and they live very well with it.
What difference does it make whether it is good or bad? One part of congress will be for it, and the other against it! They will yell and posture and nothing will get done. Sound familiar?
Just another way for the government to try again to issue national ID cards. Hell no! It won't stop illegals from entering the country to work; a vast number of the illegal hires are done off the books an in cash in any case. No ID of any form will stop that from happening.
Once liberty is gone I bet we'll hardly miss it at all. The funny thing is that I bet the biggest proponents of this idea are the same ones who are against background checks for handguns and assault rifles.
Jack, there is nothing wrong with having an ID card issued to CITIZENS ONLY that is required in order to work legally in this country. The only ones objecting will be Democrats who need every vote they can get, without regard for one being a citizen.
Those who say it is 1 step away from being a required National ID card forget one thing. We already have at least 51 different such cards (50 states plus DC.) They are called DRIVER'S LICENSES, and are REQUIRED for people who want to exercise the privilege of driving a motor vehicle.
As for allowing illegals to stay and become citizens, we have been down that road before SEVERAL TIMES!! Each time, nobody offers any serious reform of illegal immigration, while the numbers of illegals keeps growing because they think "Eventually, the U.S. government will make illegals LEGAL!" And they end up being RIGHT!
We have ID cards now called a drivers license. I don't see why having everyone haveing an ID card is all that different. The only ones who would be against it wold be those it would limit. I would vote yes but Congress will probably put so many little conditions on it the it will fail under its own weight.
We already have worker ID cards, they are a Social Security Card or U.S. visa!! Both can and should be verified through the employment verification system for ALL jobs, not just new hires and "some" federal contractors!!! That will open up 8 MILLION MUCH-NEEDED JOBS that are in the hands of illegals!! It is disingenuous for Obama and the Democrats to talk about job creation and health care costs while they "allow" illegals to work at the expense of massive unemployment and rising health care costs.
An excellent idea. I don't know why it has not been required already.
We have no privacy anyhow, so I believe it is a good idea. Correction Officers, Police Officers, and I would hope all government employees have them so why not workers? If you are silly enough to think you have privacy from anyone now, you are wrong.
So, Mr. Cafferty, would you feel comfortable have to produce "your papers" upon demand? I suppose if we've come to this terrible time, it should at least be true for all of us.
This is so simple to fix...why does Congress make this difficult?
– All employees must be verified by the employer, prior to starting work.
– No confirmation of eligibility, no work...
– Congress passes protection bill to protect all employers from lawsuits that could result from worker lawsuits claiming damages due to error in the system.
Everyone is covered...if the employee wants to sue the goverment...good luck !!
There is a clause in the employment agreement that has to be agreed upon as a Non-Disclosure item , that if hired by SeaWorld and working in a dangerous environment, should one die, a monetary donation would be made in the name of the decesased.
Please research for your self!!!!
don't even need the cards....how about just your index finger, using bio-metrics......I use it at work...its safe and foolproof......you never lose or forget your finger.
can you say Mark of the Beast...NO THANK YOU SIR!!!! I dont care if other countries are doing it, I AM NOT, AND WILL NOT!
About as much sense as a fence that runs for thousands of miles. Sounds an awful lot like a national ID card to me.
My husband is an immigrant. We've filled out countless forms, paid many fees and done everything required of us so that he could live and work in this country legally. He has a "green card", which is a lot like this work card you described. So, the question is, should I, an American citizen carry one too? Is it really a violation of my rights, when the government already knows if I am traveling (passports), working (W-2 form, social security cards), or voting (voter registration)? The government already keeps track of us well enough. I don't see how a worker ID card will harm anyone. However, it won't happen. It seems like our government officials wouldn't agree and if they could, they would take so long to get the job done, that it never would get done at all.
What's wrong with the SS card system that employers now have to use? It's just a matter of verification with SS on the card number. Biometric info is just going to be another huge taxpayer expense to implement and a subtle way to initiate "the mark" for everyone. 666, Jack.
What we need is a drivers license that would serve as a voter ID and a health plan ID. If you were illegal, it would not carry the voter endorsement or have a Social Security number. SSN would have to be verified when renewing your drivers license. Same office would create ID card for those who don't drive. Everyone over 16 years of age would have a driver's license or a state issued ID.
I can't believe that in this day and age, with all of the security issues, we don't have a national ID card in the USA.
I support the concept of an ID card for everyone. I do not understand what the big deal is about the government knowing your identity. They already do... Do they track you? They already do...and do you think Walmart or AT&T or Visa don't track what you do, who you talk to, where you shop, even what you eat...
Don't you show your drivers license when you get pulled over...show an ID when you pay for something... when you apply for a job? Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that you cannot be identified. As long as it is the same for everyone.
Darn right that worker IDs is a great start to weeding out the illegals. So many bleeding earts plead that we need to be immigrant friendly. Hello, we like immigrants – we are ALL from immigrant parents some how or another unless you have roots from Native Americana...we have immigration laws that need to be abided by so we don't have free-wheeling peoples come into the country at random – ahem – illegally – to not pay their fair share of the load of living in the US of A!!! Those who have paid the expense of becoming legal immigrants understand and appreciate the hard work it involves. It is the illegals that wave both flags in their yards that demonstrate fake loyalty to one country or another. When one serves in the US military or hold any gov't position ID cards with biographic data embedded. so what? whats there to hide? Only if you are here illegally or otherwise have something to hide from your employer do you start to sweat. The US has almost always been behind European countries in a lot of important ways, such as not going metric which makes us as if we still live in the stoneage. Why not worker ID cards? Got something to hide from an employer? The start your own enterpreneural enterprise....if you meet the numerous laws (inluding taxes) that govern.
More big government? Don't we already have something like this? Isn't it called a Social Security Card?
Forget the work I.D. card. What we need is a National I.D card
Sure... anything big brother can do to save American jobs for 'Americans' is a good idea.
1984 is upon us. God Bless the Second Amendment.
I don't have a problem. I was born here, and have no issues. If it stops the flood of illegal workers here and forces companies to pay real wages, I'm all for it.
It is a better idea then anything else on the table. Sure there are privacy issues to be worked out but that can be done. Start will citizens and legal immigrants. Don't put anything in the bill about illegal immigrants yet. That can be done in time. We need to start somewhere.
We have been fussing around about a "Personal National I.D. Card" for more than a few years. Sounds like we need to submit to having this I.D. card for a variety of reason. Can you imagine the trouble this will cause though?
No, Jack. Immigration issues can be handled in other ways. This NATIONAL CARD BUSINESS....sounds like "Big Brother" may have other plans for those cards...SOON... down the road?
I agree... workers definitely should carry ID cards for those very reason cited above. It'd keep the unauthorized, illegal immigrants out of places where they don't belong, i.e., schools, jobs, or Obama's big-mess health care if it gets shoved down our throats. You know darn well they will find a way to wiggle their way into anything and everything.
Forget about a workers ID card. What we really need is a national ID card
This will just be another way for the government to have more control of workers and individuals.
Writing from Arlington VA. How does this differ from the status quo in the US, where I have to present proof of right to work when I accept a job offer? I use an expired passport and other docs for that purpose.
We already have worker id's: Social Security cards. We just need to utilize E-Verify. After all, what was its intended use?
Being recently unemployed and too far from retirement
I tried one of the so called immigrant jobs working at night to support my family. The work nearly killed me so I have respect for those who come here and are trying to make it. All I ask is for workers to come here legally and pay their share of taxes. We need to expand our tax base to fund programs in the future like Social Security. Many other nations have already hit this shortfall wall with their birth rates and dropping numbers of immigrants.
I think ID cards are a great idea. Americans want their government to provide goods and services? Then that government has every right to make us prove we are who we say we are before getting those services. Of course, no one would be FORCED to get and carry a card. They just wouldn't be able to get any government services if they didn't.
Jack, there are better ideas out there than issuing ID cards to every worker in the country. There is already a registry to check against to ensure the person is eligible to work in the U.S. I believe a better solution is to implement a severe financial penalty on employers that do have illegal immigrants working for them. Perhaps a fine of five or ten times the annual wage of what the immigrant is being paid, per illegal immigrant. Also, no excuses from the employer can be accepted, like them saying the person used a stolen ID to get a job. With the risk of such stiff penalties then the employers will perform due diligence to ensure they are only hiring legal workers.
I think they are a great idea. But it needs to be a three-part plan... in addition to the Worker ID cards, a program needs to be started to put work-able welfare recipients into the jobs that these illegals would normally fill. In other words, instead of doing away with welfare, take it back to the original idea and make it only for those who truly CANNOT work. The jobs left empty by the loss of illegal workers would probably cut the welfare rolls by 1/2. It is my belief that we cannot have health care reform until immigration reform is complete. A large part of the huge cost of medical care is due to those who cannot afford it. That becomes the third part of the plan. Provide basic medical access for ALL American workers who make less than 35K a year... OR fine HMOs for denying coverage to ANY person. Either of those would put health care within the reach of many who work but don't make 100K a year.
I think that a National ID system is a good idea for many reasons.
One main reason being that I DO believe that everyone's fingerprints need to be on file in a data base in case of:
1) crime committed by someone without a criminal record
2) Identification of a body in a Missing Persons situation,
3) Second form of I.D. for everyone or Main form of I.D. for those who do not already possess a driver's license.
Now, do I think this will work in keeping illegal workers from obtaining work here in the U.S.? No, it will not. People will be able to falsify them as easily as they do our Drivers' Licenses.
Jackie, you can have all the id's you want. One for everyday of the week if need be. The problem is the people EMPLOYING the undocumented worker, that's the problem. These employers who are saving a buck on labor, need to be caught, prosecuted, fined and jailed, and put permanently out of business. and their workers deported along with their families and their drugs back to their country of origin.
,,,as a matter of fact, lets do away with indidual state driver licenses and make them national. States can make profit by having a cut in revenues by numbers of cards processed in their states. individual state driving regulations is for the birds. Its not about making big government bigger, ie 'Big brother', it just make sense to streamline a process that makes for greater driving standards uniformity, and so on... and lo behold, an additional form of national ID, and again I would ask, 'whats the big deal?' got something to hide? if so, go back to your home country, you non-loyal "in it for me" loser!!!
I think it will have to happen with ID cards. I dont have to like it to see the need. However it will shift the illegals from large companies to small non incorporated business. The problem will get better but will not go away.
No. The DHS already deals with fake or "borrowed" drivers' licenses, birth certificates, passports, green cards, and whatever. Why add another document for the counterfeiters to play with?
Worker ID cards are a BAD idea – we have social security numbers being stolen now, what are they going to do tattoo IDs on our back sides?
Put some teeth into the current laws by funding and beef up Immigration officers (you know, JOBS). If they want to make a new law then make one to plug the "anchor baby" loop hole. I WANT legal immigration not this farce we have now. Lynn, San Diego
I think I.D. cards are a great idea and I also do not believe in amnesty. This notion that illegal immigrants only take jobs that no one wants is pure baloney; although they are certainly capable of taking a decent blue collar job and turning it into something no one would want by driving down the wages.
Over the last 40+ years I have watched them take over gradually starting with the teenager's jobs such as lawn mowing, busboys, babysitters, etc., and then progressing to any and all blue collar jobs that do not require a college education. Not only that, they drive the wages down by working under the table for less than a living U.S. wage and then team up with a dozen people renting a one bedroom apartment, creating slums and ghettos.
I am a high tech recruiter for a living and work with people who have entered this country legally and worked within the system until they have Green Cards and who often progress to full Citizenship because they love this country. Rewarding illegals with amnesty is not fair to them and certainly not fair to the people born here!
These illegals need to go home and make their own countries better. Have a revolution if necessary, stop overpopulating like rabbits and do whatever else it takes to improve what they have and stop parasiting off the U.S.!!!
I do not see any reason not to have a National ID Card. This could be a combination of Social Security card, Drivers license, and Birth Certificate, all of which we already have anyway. Little kids get a green card. When you get your permission to drive a car, say at 16, you get your blue card, and when you reach voting age you get a red one, or something like that. Illegal workers are inventing fake social security numbers, driving without licenses, etc. and screwing things up for the rest of us...So what's with the "privacy" problem? We don't really have any privacy anyway...the government monitors our e-mail, tracks our credit card transactions, our jobs, our travel and passports, so what else is there to lose? At least we will be able to tell who can vote or hold a job legally. This might also lead to National Drivers Licenses, which would be better than the crazy quilt hodgepodge we have now.
I believe it is a good idea. It will stop future future illegal immigration and thus stop people from saying illegals are taking jobs from the American people.
This idea is just wrong on so many levels, not the least of which is the fact that Congress is involved.
No they are not a good idea. This administration is starting to sound more and more like Big Brother every day.
Currently the work around for illegals is they use bogus social security numbers. Once you implement this ID card thing-the work around will be to use bogus security cards. This will all be paid for by corporate America that would rather employ immigrant labor than pay a living wage. Of course this is all for "our benefit" in the name of "globalization".
Worker ID Cards are not a good idea, but E-Verify and employer prison time for those who hire illegals would be a good idea.
Don't we already have something similar to that called Social Security Cards?
Yes, it is a good idea. If you have nothing to hide it shouldn't bother anyone. As for big business, they have already stuck it to the American worker by outsourcing our jobs.
Yes, it is a great idea. Legalize the undocumented and make them pay for it with steep fines.
Biometric ID cards for every individual employed in the U.S.? Sounds expensive. Who is going to pay for this?
Plus, how is this going to be enforced? Are government agents going to randomly show up at the workplace and ask to see IDs? Sounds a little big brotherish to me.
I see no need for "worker ID cards", which undoubtedly would generate another inefficient and wasteful government agency.government. I'd rather see the following, which builds off existing documents/agencies: 1) Put a photo on our Social Security cards, 2) Only legal immigrants could be given a drivers license with photo, 3) the employer had to see and have copies of both, on hand, to hire, 4) Each employer would receive an annual surprise visit from a government rep. to verify items 1-3 and if any illegal immigrant was found to be, or to have been, employed, the employer would be fined a substantial amount with increasing penalties, if a repeat offender including significant jail time.
With regards to the 11-12+ illegals already hear, I would announce they have 60 days to leave, during which time I would call up the National Guard and go house to house business to business rounding them up and deporting them including their children whether born in the US or not (President decree could put this in place based on a national emergency, which it is). In California this would reduce our cost of education, welfare, crime, and health care by at least 20%.
This is a bad idea. We have immigration laws on the books that simply need to be enforced. The ability of the gvmt to track anything about me is unacceptable.
This will not work, its called getting paid under- the- table. As long as illegal immigrants work cheap, they will always have a job in this greedy nation.
Any form of identification can be forged. Any form. I do not have a problem with a national ID card as long as they are initially provided for free. Americans have lied about their true identity for to long to the police, to companies hiring them. To America in general. This would stop all that and I am for it. Freedom is not free. More then the military and law enforcement must pay it for.
Bring it on and let the
I do not think this is a good idea! It is invasion of privacy!
I think it is a great idea for everyone, citizen and foreign national alike. Everyone should have to get an ID card, which can have one or more endorsements associated with it: driving, voting, employment, purchase alcohol, etc. One ID system with one clearinghouse for all eligibility checks. The govt should be liable for the correctness of all information, with automatic triple-damage penalties defined for operational errors (e.g. if you try to buy $20 of beer and they erroneously disallow your purchase, the gov't owes you a check for $60).
Let's cut to the chase and have our government tattoo numbers on foreheads!
I have nothing to hide. Why not. Unemployment is rampant and only legal residents and citizens should be issued ID cards and be allowed to work in the United States. Illegal means ILLEGAL. I realize they only want a better life, but often their presence costs legal residents money they normally wouldn't have to expend (taxes, etc).
I think it is 2010. Use finger prints only. We do not need any types of cards now a days. Hook everything to our finger prints. Our Bank accounts, SSN, insurance and Drivers Lic even our cars, basically everything. This way if you do not have insurance on your car you can not start your car. If you are here illegally, you can not use money to buy anything or pay for anything, Adios. It would solve so many things. I have nothing to hide so I don't care if the gov wants to track me.Only the guilty worry about such things.
I think it would be better for workers to verify they can legally work here by making workers register in a database, as opposed to making everyone carry cards. The prospective employer will have to verify the employee is allowed to work in the country simply by checking the database. This seems simpler and more constitutionally sound than forcing everyone to have another card on them and another way to be scrutinized by officials or officers.
No Jack, bounties are a better idea. Pay a $500 bounty for every illegal worker turned in and the problem will be gone in a week. Charge companies that hire the workers the $500 fee plus deportation costs, so the taxpayer pays nothing. Also mandate that employers of the illegals hire a US worker for at least a year in the same position. If you assume that of the 12 million illegals one in three hold jobs, then for a mere $2 billion (4,000,000 X $500) you can 'create' jobs for 4 million Americas. The stimulus was SUPPOSED to create 3.5 million jobs for $800 billion. We'd create more jobs and save $798 billion.
I don't know if it's going to help the situation. I mean, if terrorists can get fake passports, I figure it's only a matter of time before people are able to fake the ID cards. In any event, in many places in the USA it's required by law to have current identification with you and if you don't, you can be arrested. Many jobs also require ID cards, fingerprints, drug testing, background tests, etc., so I don't see what the big deal is to make it mandatory for all jobs. I do wonder how the cost of the cards would affect businesses, especially small businesses though.
There are 2 sides to this. Yes we should be focusing in on the employers who employ undocumented workers and not the workers themselves. I don't think a national ID card is the simplest way to go. A website and toll-free number to verify would be far easier and probably cheaper to do. Also, it's not amnesty if they pay a fine – that is paying a price for breaking the law. We need a path to citizenship for those 11 million people that are already here working and for the most part paying taxes and being good citizens.
Jim in Chicago
Worker I.D. cards are a very good idea. It's time the goody-2-shoes types give up on this privacy crap. I would rather be alive and well and have everybody know it then be stuck in my private little hell with no job, no house, no medicine, and nothing to live for.
Worker cards – national ID cards – cards which require individuals to give biometric data to the U. S. Government for any reason are a great idea if you want to live in a police state. The Nazis and the Russians used to stop people at will demanding "papers please." Sounds like it won't be long before they're doing that here. When did we stop being Americans? We let cops go through our kids' school lockers, TSA employees gaze at our naked bodies, we're photogrpahed by authorities dozens of times a day and just about every financial transaction we complete is vetted by the government. This is not what our forefathers died for here in Yorktown, Va.
Jack, we have Social Security cards, medicare (if you are old enough) cards, drivers licenses (by State). etc. It seems to me that it would make eminent sense, and help in control of the illegal immigrant issue to have a Federal ID card using up to date technology. The only people opposing such a move are those that might get caught doing something illegal and, naturally some extreme right or left wing nuts.
The new cards won't work because industries who hire illegals will not check fingerprints with the new cards just like they don't currently cross-check social security numbers with the government data base on E-Verify. It will be just another item of documentation that will soon be forged like social security cards are now without solving the problem.
We're required to have an ID on us when we drive, why would a worker's ID be any more of a threat to privacy?
pathway to citizenship, that's already defined. go to your embassy, apply for a work visa, get accepted, come to the states work and file etc. what part of your children are citizens of the country you are a citizen of – WHEN THEY ARE BORN is so difficult to understand.
It is an embarrassment that a law that was put in place to ensure that the children of slaves (people brought to America without consent) would be recognized as human beings of value and import, would be turned to whelped here – belong here. NO! NO! NO! – the politicians and churches can never say that (NO) to a potential voter no matter how young. bigoted or just plain wrong that may be.
Yes, add a wall, strict rules, more law enforcement, aid to Mexico, and harsher penalties for people who hire them, get rid of programs that Illegals utilize in this country, refuse to service them at hospitals and stop people from sending USA currency back to their countries and you might be on your way to a pretty good start.
Good luck guys!
Sure. At some point, we have to start regulating who's here illegally vs. who isn't. This is one way assist with that effort.
Not the worst idea. We want for health care and immigration reform but we don't want to make the necessary sacrifices nor deal with the inconveniences. Don't make perfect the enemy of good.
Land of the free and home of the...i mean, your home will be watched.
Well Jack, while you say for many Americans amnesty is a non-starter, many more Americans believe we need to clean this slate and bring a fresh immigrant worker worker program into fruition. I have to where an ID badge on my chest everyday for my job. I hardly think our congressional representation has not the intestinal fortitude to put strong language in the final bill that safeguards our personal information. This provided of course, the obstructionists do not succeed.
With underage college students being able to get Driver's Licenses that allow them to have a little more fun and ILLEGAL immigrants doing the same, I fail to see the big deal with making sure we are all on the same playing field. The key word we all seem to miss is ILLEGAL. Of course worker ID cards are a good idea. Privacy advocates need to take a back seat. It's not like a lot of people are sharing everything about their lives and opinions on blogs, Twitter, Facebook, or cable news shows ... wait a minute ...
Living in San Diego, I can attest to the immigration issue and it's pitfalls. I've always thought that some sort of Worker ID card should be issued to folks who live across the border in Mexico but who drive here every day for work. We have LOTS of folks who do that. This would allow them a little easier way to get back and forth across the border as well as less harrassment each time something happens and law enforcement steps up checking ids, passports, etc.
Those who choose to come across the border illegally are breaking the law. I also really like the idea of all workers, no matter where they live, paying their fair share of taxes. That's not happening now and billions of dollars are leaving the country while we pay for their kids education, their health care, their food stamps, their welfare and housing, and more.
I think pathway to citizenship is the only practical means forward honestly. I'm not condoning the breaking of immigration laws, however it cannot practically be called 'amnesty' if consequences are involved (fines, maybe some back taxes, registration). You don't consider it amnesty when you pay the fine on a speeding ticket, so this isn't amnesty. Those that have resorted to ID theft in addition to immigration violations should also be prosecuted accordingly when apprehended, required to be deported for a certain time period after which they're free to reapply for entry into the country legally. Those caught violating repeatedly should be deported every time and not allowed to return until they figure out how to abide by the laws.
Worker ID cards could be good and bad. I think it would be very difficult to implement a system that could reasonably be forge-resistant without getting too far into people's privacy. We already have a crude form of this in place with social security numbers, and illegals are stealing identities and forging SSNs left right and center to get work and make it look like they're here legally.
yes we already have ss cards why not use them
I do not need anyone else knowning what I'm doing, where I am, who I'm with, or what I had for supper last night. The world already has too much information about me, and a majority of it was distributed without my persmission, copied and sold for profit to someone else, and I have to deal with the junk that comes my way because of it. Where's my cut?
The only people that matter are rich people who have the ability to get into the ear of our elected officials. Immigration is something that the average American would like to see but the large hispanic population will rise and politicians who care only about re-election will buckle. Our government is so corrupt and a waste anymore. Why do we even try?
The government already knows where I work and travel when I use my social security and passport. Fix immigration and GET THING DONE. I am also in favor of legalizing the honest hard working immigrants.
Many of us already have Govt issues ID cards, military Veterans for example. I'm so worried about the Govt tracking me, as I am that the Govt is not tracking the illegals. Why the concern about the illegals paying taxes, paying for health care etc, when we have many US citizens who do neither as well, at least the majority of illegals who do make it here, WORK! Even more so now, with so many out of work, and the Govt trying to ram a health care bill thru that the working will have to foot more of the bill, for those who aren't, many of which will take advantage of the 17 month, and longer UC benefit program.
Actually, I work for a large corporation I wouldn't mind having a work ID. I mean I already have a Social Security card and a drivers license so obviously the government knows I exist. Who cares? People steal identities every day to get jobs and also come into this country to work illegally. Why not just put a stop to it now? Let's put every worker, from the top CEO's to the cart pusher at the local grocery store in the system with work ID's.
St. George, Utah
No, because we already have driver license that function as proof of our citizenship.
In days of double-digit unemployment, we have to do something decisive to retake control of our borders and our workplaces. We do not have the luxury of allowing these people to take jobs that could otherwise be performed by Americans. And this ID card is a good first step.
Why Not. Low skilled workers are a problem no doubt, now the problem is how many Americans workers would get an ID card to work these low skilled jobs instead of collecting welfare. Gus in Missouri
Worker ID Cards! Where have our minds gone! I thought Republicans wanted government to get out of our lives and make it small, and I thought Democrats prided themselves in defending the constitution. Where is our country going?!
This will never fly Jack, forcing Americans to get an ID Card because the Federal Government does not want to protect our borders from Illegals coming from South America. Hey lets punish Americans because we sure don't want to tick off the Mexcicans...This is rediculous Jack....Lets take some of that stimulus money and round up these Illegals and send them all back to Mexico or send Mexico the bill and demand they pay it...If they don't want to pay then pull an Iraq on them...Problem solved
For 21 years I have carried an ID card, a military ID card, and I wouldn't have a problem carrying an employment card. But if the Social Security Card hasn't worked, what makes the feds think an employment card would be any different?
Loma Rica, CA
This is too funny, everyone arguing over national ID card when every American citizen can be tracked by a SSN number on which everyone gets at birth or upon U.S citizenship and has to put on any application, credit or otherwise. The proper course would be to make a photo SSN Card that can't be counterfeited, instead of the paper card we use and that be duplicated by any decent counterfeiter. If privacy groups want to complain about having a national ID Card, tell them to abolish Social Security Numbers.
But critics worry about violating people's privacy...
The government already knows where I work through W2/with holding
The government already knows where I am registered to vote, and I look forward to them making sure it is me voting
When I travel out of the country the government can look at the stamps on my passport.
So where is the violation of privacy?
My problem is the pathway to citizenship. They broke the law coming here. Their numbers is about what unemployment is. The jobs they hold could go to people on welface without much additional cost to the companies and a GREAT savings to the US economy. They can take their kids and free up much needed funding to fiz a lot of what ails the school system.
SEIU and ACORN will probably still find ways to cheat the system, and steal more from the taxpaying citizens.
The immigration bill should also undo the anchor baby trick used a long time ago to integrate a past minority into the system and has outlived it usefullness.
Health care. After they have been here legally for a generation just like all the other citizens families did.
Personally I think they should creat jobs, say $500/head delivering them to la migra for deportation and the line they wait in starts in their country or origin.
The idea of a national ID card is ludicrous since obviously the companies who hire illegal workers don't seem to be bothered by the idea of having a valid social security card and picture ID like the rest of the companies who do request such information. They will just find a way around it.
I already have an ID that enabled me to start working at the age of 16. It's called a Social Security Card and I have to put the number on darn near everything I sign. Everytime I have ever been offered a job, I have to produce my social security card. The only thing it doesn't have is my picture but my driver's license has that. My prospective employer also asks for this so they can take a copy.
Remove 11,000 million illegal workers who are going to benefit from a government health care reform (aka bailout (giveout)) and there won't be such a pressing need for Free Health Care and then we can consider a sane reform.
Absolutely not !
Immigration reform is just a pretext. They've wanted to pass this bill in different forms for years and they can't get it done, so now they've linked it with immigration.
Arguing over amnesty is stupid. Unless you can think of a way of locating, catching, and deporting 12 million people, about 4% of the US population, there is going to be some form of amnesty, if immigration reform ever actually comes up. If it doesn't, then our current policy is basically amnesty anyway.
That is a ridiculous ID Jack. How much money will be spent to make sure that this ID is so unique that nobody is able to duplicate it. Waste of time if you ask me.
They worry it would violate their privacy? These are probably the same people who post more than any employer would want to know on their Facebook page, and they're worried about their fingerprint.
SS cards, DL, I have Commercial Fire Alarm agent and Burg cards, Passport cards.
These people hire who they want. They do not care if you have a card or not.
It's a great idea, why did it take so long to think of ?
Regarding ID cards, makes a whole lot of sense to me. How can you be against this? If you make it difficult for illegal immigrants to get a job here, then maybe they won't come in the first place.
Mike – Phoenix, AZ
I'm all for immigration reform, to protect the immigrants from abusive employers, and to protect the US from a flood of criminal immigrants. When I say "criminal" I don't mean because they are undocumented but because they commit violent crimes. I'd like to see the US and Mexico come to an agreement about a guest worker program where the workers are screened to weed out criminals and then work legally in the US with all of our protections such as minimum wage etc. However, under no circumstances do I want the Federal government gathering biometric data on US citizens. Sorry, I just don't trust our government enough to give them all much information.
I would quit my job and find another way of making money before I would get a card that contains biometric data. I think this is an infringement on our right to privacy. I work in the technology field and know there are other ways for the government to watch our every little move the only thing that protects is that the law is on the citizens side when it comes to privacy. If you force people to carry an ID card with them everywhere they go that contains sensitive material there goes our protection against the government. Technology can be used for good or bad depending on the user and how our government is tending to use technology makes me sick
So, The very men who voted for NAFTA and opened our boarders to cheap foreign labor now want to "solve" the problem they created by instituting the framework for a police state. Perhaps Senator Schumer should poll some of his constituents who survived the Nazi Holocaust how they feel about about a national i.d. I'll accept one right after Congress and the Senate have their names and s.s. numbers tattooed across their foreheads...
They have had them for decades in Europe and are a great idea.No different than combining what we now have in one card.I don't know what people are so afraid of it would protect us all and our nation.
Absolutely a good idea. It is an existing fact of life, as you said in many European countries, and also in South America. Worries about privacy are laughable, as if you have any privacy now. Yo don't. Almost anything anyone wants to know about you can be found in records searches on the internet. It's time to get realistic about a national identification card.
The problem with any immigration reform is that it is all a trick to allow more immigrants in the country. As we found with the 1986 amnesty, there was nearly no teeth in the enforcement mechanisms – this ID falls under that.
We have green cards and visa's today that we dont enforce. There are cases of people suing when they were forced to actually be the sponsor they signed up to be when an immigrant who promised not to be a burden ended up being one – oh the horror.
We need to enforce the laws on the books. If people want more immigration, fine, lets all pass a law increasing the cap. Don't change the laws and allow those who broke our laws to snub their nose at us and get amnesty – any form of amnesty.
ID cards? What's next, having our SS # tat on our wrist?? Didn't they do that in Germany during WWII?
I have absolutely no problem with a worker ID card or a national ID card. This is a terrific idea. The government can already pretty much track everything we do, an offical ID card in one's pocket is not going to change that. The path to citizenship is the best route for all. We as a society have let people stay here and perform jobs that most american would not do ignoring the great recession. The argicultural industry would collapse overnight if all illegals were deported.
Could the proposed card be abused just as passports or driver licenses are? If so, the government could create another black market industry.
We don't enforce the laws we have. What make anyone think, that the enforcement of a national ID card would be any better?
Immigration reform, how about immigration enforcement for a start instead. Why is it that those elected officials feel the need to reinvent the wheel with every thing they get their noses into.
In Portland we have thousands of homeless kids on the street – born here. If you want to create a permanent misery of an underclass that can't live because they don'y have their papers then adopt this atrociously stupid idea. Make Cafferty the Commisar of Labor. What a mind-blowingly stupid thing to do.
It is imperative that the Congress and the government does something about the immigration – worker ID or not.
The fact that many European countries use the ID card does not make it a feasible solution for US, however it doesn't hurt to begin the discussion.
This country is build by immigrants and they (we) will continue to be part of its great future – The common people everywhere love and respect each-other despite their country of origin, religion or ethnicity. Immigration is not a hot fire. It's an issue that needs to be dealt with and dealt with courage, compassion and pragmatism.
Corporations had no problem acting like cops when it came to harassing their employees with drug testing. When it comes to turning in cheap labor they suddenly lose their badges. What difference would a card make in a country where privacy is already gone? Anyone rich enough, evil enough or bored enough can probably shred anyone's "right" to privacy in America. cy from arlington
Yes, this way only U.S. Citizens have access to the jobs in this country. In no way should it be a pathway for the 11 million illegal immigrants already living hear to become citizen. With that we need to alter the mere fact that if you are born in the U.S. that it makes you a U.S. Citizen. To the critics that say it violates people's privacy. Maybe you have been sleeping for the last 15 years and have not noticed that we live in the digital age and privacy is a thing of the past. If the government wanted to know where you traveled to, where you like to eat, where you shop or any other little piece of information they wanted to know about you they probably can find it out. So wake up. Your so called privacy is a fantasy.
I agree with David Bakody Nova Scotia. It is time for a national identity stamp on everyone's body. Not the forehead – too u nattractive – behind the ear would be good. It could rate your livability factor and how you are treated at stores. Poor peopl, lower caste er... class get crummier service. Capital idea
Are they a good idea? YES!!! Considering the number of illegal immigrants outright STEALING American jobs, an id card is the LEAST that needs to be done. Anyone illegal caught using a false identity to work in this country should be permanently banned from entering/working/applying for green card in the US as well! We have a 10% unemployment rate and cannot afford to have undocumented workers taking jobs away from honest, hard-working taxpayers!!!
I think any kind of printable information, even with photograph is too easily reproduced and falsified. That's like adding fuel to the fire. I think a substitute should be used – something like finger prints. Much more difficult to reproduce falsely. Another item to be considered with foreign workers is that they should be required to sign a document agreeing to never – never become a politician in the U. S.
We are a nation of laws run by special interests of lawlessness....it's called Corporate America that benefits from illegals........I vote "YES"
Hi Jack, welcome to the 21st century. Have you taken a look at your social security card? perhaps the most important piece of identification you have as an american? its a piece of paper that inevitably disintegrates with time and has absolutely NO security measures attached, easily stolen, and easily used to steal your identity.
So of course a worker ID, with modern security features is a good idea, as for critics concerns – newsflash: the government already monitors all those things AND MORE, and thats not going to change with new cards or not...
This is really not about immigration, but rather about bringing our country into the 21st century by issuing verifiable working IDs to its citizens, but since you ask.. yes Immigration Reform is also urgently needed in this country.
maybe they can save some time by assigning us all our prison numbers now so that the for profit jail systems can process the citicenz faster and thus make the share holder a lot a lot a lot of money.. smilar to atms and tellers....
Well, that sounds like a great idea up front. How long will it be before these cards are produced illegally? And as far as illegal immigrants go, why don't they grow a spine and do something about the conditions in their OWN country instead of taking what jobs there are away from Americans, we have enough problems of our own already. Besides, this will just turn out to be another government run program where they hire ten times more "civil servants" than are needed to do the job and then you can't get rid of them. This is kind of like the health care issue to me. The government can't run Medicare, they can't manage social security, and they can't do ANYTHING without going in debt further than we already are. They mismanage everything and now they want to run my HEALTH CARE???? NO THANKS!!!!
They say they aren't communists yet they continue to push agendas that include big government intruding into and controlling our lives more and more with each piece of major legislation when cheaper and better alternatives exist. Our founding fathers had it right keeping government control as close to the people as possible and the CBO has estimated that Obama's budget will double the deficit by 2020, a level more than our GDP. We need ID cards that prove legal status but at the state level- the same DMV licenses and IDs we carry now but with proof of legal status required and stated on the ID- citizen, resident alien, or non-resident alien. No IDs without legal proof. These IDs could be used for voting and obtaining benefits but aren't needed for employment. A combination of mandatory eVerify, cross-referencing of limited information in the IRS and Social Security databases, and incarcerating non-compliant employers would prevent illegals from getting work.
This country needs to implement biometric identification ASAP, not only for employment, but also for voting and financial transactions. The argument that this would infringe on our privacy is a crock. I would much rather submit to being fingerprinted than have some criminal (Illegal immigrant or otherwise) steal my identity and destroy my credit. By the way, all Illegal immigrants, regardless of their ethnic background, are, by definition, criminals! Saying that does not make me a racist, it just makes me honest.
Requiring ID cards will only force perfectly hard working people to turn to criminal activities to support themselfves. And it will truly empower those that have already taken that path, it will enable employers to take even more advantage of illegal workers, and again make it more likely for criminal activity to become a source of income, depserate people will do desperate things to survive. That is the sole reason most immigrants are here anyway, most risk their lifes on dangerous journeys here, just for a chance, for an opportunity to better their situation. Now we take away their ability to get a menial job, and we are left with millions forced to find other ways to pay their bills and feed their families. Offer them a chance to register, pay teh government, be processed, get a backgroundcheck, keep the good ones and chuck out the rest, anyone with a criminal record may go back to where they came from. If anuone does not register by a deadline, they may also go, or be made to!
Don't we already have worker identification cards? If I'm not mistaken, we call them Social Security Cards.
As you correctly report the corporate-persons are not going to willingly cut their profits. The make real money from those they can exploit.
But, some of the right-wing-nut propagandees of the media think that their sweetheart candidates do not want alien workers in the job market. So it will be fun to watch the McConnellls and Boehners dance around this issue and dazzle us with their explanations.
The proposal will die a quiet committee referral death.
Absolutly Jack, its a start in trying to control the immigration problem in this country but just having ID cards won't solve immigration entirely in my opinion, like the great Lou Dobbs used to say in order to solve the immigration problem completly you have to get control and patrol all the borders of the United States and then immigration will be solved along with this card idea. I support this to the fullest but they have to do more than just assign all workers an ID badge!
Scott Stodden (Freeport,Illinois)
To work, we need a SS Card...right?
So do what we presently do..do not overcomplicate it.
Drivers License, SS Card...
If the Goverment can not confirm..the worker can not work.
Why overcomplicate it?
This is already in place..except we do not make it mandatory..
and we allow the worker to work if their ID comes back negative..and allow the worker up to 30 or more days to fix the "Problem".
No Confirmation...no work. Simple, Easy..and already in practice.
2nd post here – by the way, we don't need immigration reform per se – we already have immigration laws, they are just not ENFORCED!! We need to do what other countries have done and make it a CRIMINAL rather than a civil offense to be in this country illegally. Yes, we need to revamp the immigration processing processes and find some way to expedite it, but we have existing laws already to stop this. Prosecute the companies that employ them. Police departments aren't even allowed to ask if someone is an American citizen – this country's political correctness has gone totally out of control. Hell, terrorists and illegal aliens have more rights than WE DO.
Sure! One more card for identity thieves. Why not?
workers' ID card? nope it wont work!
its just another form of social secuirty card.... it will have the same fate...
such suggestions are superficial solutions, really doesnt go down to the roots of the problem. illegal immigrants will still find a way not to oblige to it.
it will be a waste of resources.
Good, I'm for it, incorporate into the drivers license. I've got nothing to hide, only those that do will complain,
That is really not going to work. The fact that any government can even think about these types of policies show a very degraded nature. Jack, it will be easier to talk a wolf out of a meat truck than for that type of policy to work.
Jack, the government, FBI, CIA... or anyone else really can track us in so many other ways via driver's license, supermarket/store discount cards, credit cards, cell phones, etc. We better believe it if the government wants to find us...they can. So, seriously, how is having a worker ID card so bad or different from now? Plus, other countries have been doing if for years...Europe, Turkey, etc. It may seem unAmerican...but then again if you want reform for immigration...you have to change things as they are now.
This immigration issue is a smoke screen to cover up the real problems in this country. The honest worker will go through the regular formalities, while the illegal guy will go through the phony card makers with little to none backup or security control by the government. The greedy business owers will always hire cheap labor, especially from foreign countries, who are great workers, don't complain, won't form unions and don't get benefits at the expense of the American worker. That's the American way for trickle down economics and more jobs into the system.
I guess I'm confused.....
Isn't this what a SOCIAL SECURITY CARD is? It seems to me we already have this whole "National ID" policy in place.
So, why isn't it working? Because employers will continue to employ illegal workers to save a buck and put more money in their pockets. They will continue to find ways to "get around" the law.
Until we focus on "where" the real problem is and create an actual deterent to illegal hiring practices, no "National ID" program is every going to work.
have to state the obvious here. I wonder if our Founding Fathers would even recognize this country. My money’s on no. I don’t think we even remotely resemble what they worked so hard, and even died for, to achieve. Oh well, it was a good and noble experiment.
I already have documentation of citizenship. A birth certificate, a social security card, a drivers license, a military ID card. Immigrants have them too. My wife has a Resident Alien ID (aka Green Card) which allows her to live and work in the U.S. for 10 years. Don't push this problem back on me to prove my identity to the state. Don't push this problem back on those who are here legally who have already proved their identity to the state. If corporations are hiring illegal workers, those workers should be rounded up, screened for terrorist affiliations and/or warrants for arrest, the company should be heavily fined, and the leadership of that company should be prosecuted for its part in the wrongful hiring practices. People have a strong voice to affect the bottom lines of these companies...boycott and shun those that hire illegally.
We do not need another ID, we need to legitimatize and enforce the existing ID system. I already have four official government ID cards (with photo). Drivers License/State ID, Passport, Military ID, T.W.I.C. (Transportation Workers ID Card). I am already required to provide proper ID for employment (isn't everybody?). No need for more waste, just enforce existing laws.
Here's the solution: GET THEM OUT OF THE COUNTRY!! I am a veteran and now I have to prove I am a citizen because we are being invaded and our own President isn't following through with his vow to uphold the law of the land. That's the ONLY solution to this, period.
I can't believe that I put my life on the line for this country and this is what our leaders do to us?!?! Since there are illegals that we could easliy get rid of we would rather have you prove that you are a citizen.
THANKS!! I really appreciate that!!
Just make employers check their social security numbers. We don't need a national ID card. We're well on our way to a fascist dictatorship already. The argument that illegals wouldn't be able to get the cards is laughable. As soon as there is demand, there will be supply. And, you're right about amnesty. It's a total non-starter. As soon as the first millions get citizenship by amnesty, more millions will be encouraged to come here. By the way, which part of ILLEGAL do these people not understand?
The illegal immigrants already use stolen social securiity cards, and stolen drivers licenses. So, now they can use our stolen natioinal workers cards.
You say, they would keep our finger prints on file, eh? So, does it follow we will somehow have to be fingerprinted to prove who we are to get a job? Or prove it by some other form of DNA testing at the workplace? Well, I guess that would create some new jobs at least, Ceritfied Identity Testers!!! Has a great ring to it, right?
Yes. If the Gov really wanted to track us it wouldn't be that hard, they could easily do it via the internet, or, hold on...social security numbers...or birth certificates....or UPC trackers that you bring home every time you shop...or...yeah were already pretty much being tracked so does carrying one more card with some info about me on it really give the government the ability they already have, I guess so, but does it put me in danger no.
What is with all the paranoid people in the US today. Do they all have something to hide? Or maybe they watch too many movies. The government isn't trying to harm us with tracking, corporations are, and they already do way more tracking than another card saying where I work would. Or maybe people think the forms they keep happily sending to companies every time they buy something and "register" it online was for nothing?
Then again I suppose the corporations control the government through "lobbying" so were all probably already in some super register and it doesn't seem to be hurting me too much, so yes I am for one more form of registration if it will help the US work force stay a US work force.
I think it is a wonderful idea. These hard-working people need to have a path to U.S. citizenship. The cards would provide them with a form of I.D. to show for banking, law-enforcement, etc.
This is just one step away from the microchip implants we have heard about. Then the government will REALLY be able to track everything we do. That's what some people want–control and power. In every age there have been people who want ultimate control. Why would our age be any different?
Let's put the ID card money into prosecuting the business owners and executives that hire illegal’s and put them in prison for a long time. It’s just one more fake ID they will have to have in their “Welcome to America” work kit.
Plain and simply ... Yes.. Its a great Idea...
Isn't that what drivers licenses and social security cards are for? I have never had a job where I haven't had to show either of these...
Wake up people. This is Obama's next move to get all the illegals a vote. A vote for his socialism. That's why dems are not scared.
It would be nice to have one form of identification that would replace my passport, driver's licence, and social security card. While we're at it, why don't we have a place where we could swipe it, answer a few questions and get a direct deposit tax refund?
It's about time. Make it hard for those leeches to steal jobs from Americans. We're tired of footing the bill for them. Have them take their anchor babies when they leave. If they can take bennefits fron us Veterans then then can take them from wetba<ks. End the War in Iraq + get rid of the illegals. Then America will prosper again.
I think the government finally has a good idea to slow down illegal immigrants from working here and taking jobs away from the American people who want them and pay American taxes. The American government needs to crack down on illegal immigrants.
Yes. I think it is a good idea. They are working everywhere and everyone knows that including congress. We interact with them daily.
Isn't this the "Mark of the Beast" thing that the wacko religious nuts are praying for just before the 2nd coming??
You have been very bias lately. I believe this question was designed to cause fears about immigration reform.
This is just another sign of BIG BROTHER. Do you trust the politicians and lobbyist that run this Nation. Do you want the same ones you don't trust able to keep tabs on you and everything you do? I think Not...
No, E-verify (tells business social security card is fake) with huge fines and later jail for businesses hiring illegal aliens is a good idea. We are supposed to be a nation of laws except the federal felony law of entering the U.S. illegally. If we are going to ignor that one then how about ignoring the one requiring us to pay taxes.
NO WAY!!! Are they insane. Just another step towards complete government control. They can dress it up however they want but we won't buy it!
As if the thousands of camera's on the street, patriot act, and dozens of other things weren't bad enough the government wants more of our privacy? Fantastic idea!! why not create the thought police while we are at it.....
It screams socialism, and for anyone in congress who passes this bill I have just one thing to say:
don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!
Another I.D. card? I already have two I.D.s for work, driver's license, passport, social security number, birth certificate, and even a library card. How many more of these do I need?
It amazes me. The Soviet Union has been gone nineteen years. We spent half a century fighting totalitarianism, and now we are becoming them. How quickly we forget.
It will only give ID thieves something else to steal. It is only good for the do nothing gov't to look like they did something and make a lil cash on the side ( i know this card will not be free!!!!)
Jack the country was founded with immigrants from Europe. Were they required to have ID cards, or is it because they are probally coming from Mexico who use to own part of this country before the Europeans forced them out!
This is absolutely a terrible idea. I'm all for immigration reform and fully believe that immigrants should be required to follow the law to legally enter our country, but this would be punishing the innocent for the crimes of the guilty. This is an invasion of law abiding citizens' privacy, both legal immigrants and natural born citizens, plain and simple.
Just remember those with a will will find a way to counter fit the id card as they already do with social security cards, credit cards, etc. It's called identity theft.
Yes i do believe we need work id's issued by the employer and or government this would restore many jobs that we dont have
We have to have background checks, and drug tests, so why not make them have I.D. cards? Invasion of privacy? Illegal immigration is an invasion of privacy.
We already have a Worker's ID card. It's called a Driver's License. It has the technology strip on the back that can track all kinds of things – in one convenient card that we already have to have and already have a bureaucracy in place. You have to be a US citizen to get one. It's a no brainer!
Worker ID cards are a good idea, however, the businesses that
own and operate of our country do not like the idea because it would cause them to lower their profits. Look at it like this. Honest people would not have a problem. Locks are for honest people. Go figure.
Jack that is a great idea. I am unemployed so now Mc. Donalds can hire it first English speaking employee in my city of New York.
Jack, I've carried a national (military) ID card for 41 years, and I haven't had anything bad happen to me. I see no reason why some people are so opposed to a national ID card. It could be incorporated into a Social Security card, a health card, a voting card...the possibilities are endless. But in this case the best thing would be that it would only be carried by US citizens.
No,just enforce the Damn laws we have now. We have Social Security cards that should be enough.
I agree with the card and they should even include DNA. We are already tracked by our license and other database information so this would not be anything new. We need to do something and this card could be the way.
People say something like this would be an "invasion of privacy."
Get real! Everybody knows everything about everyone now. You have got to be kidding if you think you have any real measure of so-called privacy at this time. Some other fools say that the government cannot run Medicare, that they cannot run Social Security, that they cannot run the Post Office, that they cannot run the DMV, that they cannot run the Military, that they cannot run ..... whatever. These sorry fools don't know what they are talking about. These entities may be suffering somewhat in these lousy economic times, but they are run quite well thank you. And health care will be just fine when it is nationalized.
When I got hired for my last job I had to bring a passport, a drivers license and my Social Security Card. Now we worry about just one card?
What is this, the prelude to microchips in our heads or hands? Big brother, New World Order, whatever you want to call it, this gets passed and liberty is gone forever.
I say use the E-verify and those employers that are caught employing illegals should be treated like a drug dealer and have his property seized as a proceed of crime.
In this time and age of cyberspace do we really need to carry another card in our wallet?? Why can't our lawmakers just focus in creating new jobs and securing our country..
Yes Jack-ID cards are a very good idea. Why should we have so
much unemploment pay people who are not citizens of our country.
E-verify and the problem goes away on it's own.
whats wrong with another i.d, on top of my SSS,drivers license,health card,company i.d.,my problem with it is that they may require me to pay a thousand dollars to get one and stand in line for two days to get one.Isn't this another way to make us immigrants to cough up more $$$?? If i get it for free,i,m on for it,if not,forget it then..Bottom line,another payment.
well, at least it will be painless (eventhough would be costly) to make an id for every single one of us than the Nazi version of stamping a number on your skin.
Jack take the gate down I my have to go down there for work.
Phil from Okla.
Lets just get '666' stamped on our foreheads and get it over with.
I agree with the Questioner: We can't enforce the laws we have. Just like we can't handle the billions and billions of dollars of fraud in health care. We need a special election to get Obama out now.
yes Jack rush it through congress and get it passed without the "amnisty with difficulties' part we would see the jobless rate recover within 6 months with extra jobs to spare we, also should cancel any extention of unemployment . I have been watching my company replace legal americans for years now with a alias temp agency as there employer
This is a very good idea and should be done all across the board as is there are very many illegals who are not permitted to work in the US and are working for prominent companies denying a US citizen a chance to find a job. All employers should screen all current and new hires this will cub on the illegals who have jobs that should be held by a US citizen.
Once again Jack, they want to attack the good guys to get to the bad guys. Those of us who work but don't want to carry big brothers tattoo will find ourselves unemployed, while illegals and their employers will find ways around this law as they do other attempts to control the problem.
This is a lot like the terrorist problem. The government can't handle, so we have to submit to full body searches to get on an airplane.
As for amnesty. Not just no but HELL NO! Illegal aliens are criminals. They broke the law to get here. Now we want to make them citizens, well let's just invite the Al Qaada boys to join them.
Where has all the logic gone, long time passing...
just look at what your social securty number has done for you. identy theft
I don't think that these ID cards are a good idea. First off, its not going to stop corporations from hiring illegal immigrants to do their work. Corporations who rely solely on the work of underpaid illegal immigrants will find ways to get around these ID cards. It will also be an inconvenience to legal citizens and immigrants because it will impede on American privacy (fingerprints? really?). Not to mention that creating these ID cards will be a pain for small businesses to create and maintain.
sure im all for illegal aliens pay the same tax i do because the ones i work with pay nothing now.but same ole song and dance we dont want to offend anyone so the id card is all politics as usual
The illegals are able to get work here without social security cards, isn't that basically what an ID card is? The cost of this would be astronomical
and still wouldn't solve the problem. What we need to do it punish those that bring the illegals in and those that hire them. So far it's a matter of turning a blind eye to what is going on. We have laws to take care of the problem enforce them.
"Papers please." I grew up hearing this on movies that portrayed the bad guys as Soviets or NAZIs. Every time you heard this in the back of your mind there was the pleasure of knowing you don't live in this kind of place. Freedom does not come cheap. It disappoints–no scares me how many people are willing to give up freedom for security. Are we really more secure, we are not as free.
Worker ID cards are a terrible idea.
The solution to the Undocumented Woker problem is simple: Any business caught employing undocumented workers loses its license to operate in that state for one year. Problem solved.
Any national ID would be the first step to fascism, but hey this is just another way for the Republicans to spy on the American People, like they do right now in wiretapping without a warrant!
In many ways our country already has become a police state. However, to go to the level of ID cards to make it officially a police state is going way too far. The people promoting this idea should be fired and anyone who thinks it's a good idea should surrender their US citizenship and go live in another country that already embraces police state status. Human dignity and human rights are all but disappearing in our once great nation thanks to such degraded individuals who are promoting these ID cards. The Founding Fathers must be spinning in their graves at the very idea.
Jack I have a solution. Send 11 million illegal workers back to Mexico and we will solve our unemployment problem. I am an unemployed construction worker who lost his job to them.
The same employers who hire illegal workers will continue. They already ignore such obvious documents like forged SS cards with duplicate numbers, and sketchy ID cards. Why would that change?
This would be the next step to police stopping you randomly on street with a demand "Papers Please!", perhaps with a Russian or German accent. We already can't travel by airplane without the proper ID, err papers.
Jack, a national ID card is no big deal to me, nor should it be to most Americans, if one has nothing to hide! If national ID cards help us to monitor who is abiding by the law, I'm all for it! Other countries seem to get along just fine under this concept – are we so afraid to take good ideas (like universal health care) that are not our ideas that we have to be a paranoid nation?
Given the prevalence of ID theft, security misidentification and other difficulties, we need some way to uniquely identify people. Xenophobia seems like a pretty minor reason.
Jim, Craig, CO
Of course they are an excellent idea; least advance countries have it (like Dominican Republic).
Whether the government tracks us or not has nothing to do with the card because even without the ID card they have the resources to track us right now; the ID card can even reduce the identity theft.
I thought we already have cards to identify immigrant workers in this country? IT'S CALLED A VISA! How many more cards do we need?
No! i wouldn't carry it. i carry a drivers liscense as well as other id. if company's followed the law these people wouldn't get any job anywhere in MY country! I follow the law and pay my taxes. these people who are themselve criminals don't. any place that hires illegal immigrints should be shut down and the assets of said company siezed. do that a couple of times put that on cnn and see if it happens again. as for allowing amnesty HELL NO! they broke the law to get here and should be sent home after a visit to the county jail to work off the price of the return trip! why should i be penalized for being a law abiding citizen?
Why not. Every child can be tatooed on the forearm at birth with a number coded for race, birth weight, parent's SES and Apgar score. Gosh some people were worried we might become socialists!
Dont' miss the big picture here. Move over Americans. Make room. More socialism.
Worker ID Cards are a good idea for "Guest Workers"........ how will the government keep track of them IF they can not keep track of people with Student Visas????!
Last I checked, illegals aren't supposed to be able to get green cards either. Yet they somehow manage!
Park City, KS
Yeah right, then we can have a chip implanted under our skin so we can be really safe. The only people i feel unsafe from is the government This whole thing sounds like a futuristic movie. If we ever give that kind of control to the government, we are all in big trouble.
Seems like a good idea – replacing state issued ID's which vary in quality will help standardize processes and reduce costs for law enforcement, verifying age at bars/clubs, reduce underage drinking, centralize and cheapen production, etc.
Short answer Jack, NO! why does our government insist on making everything so complicated and expensive, We already have a system that works great now if our politicians would grow a pair and mandate it. It's called E Verify. Why go through all the time and expense of another card system for big brother to pry even more into our lives, not to mention on more thing for us to carry insurance on because of fraud issues. Who knows Jack maybe this is a shovel ready project!
Are worker ID cards a good idea? Not no, but **** NO! Use what we have – e-verify works 97% of the time Fix the other 3% instead of becoming more Big Brother.
Or, maybe they could just tattoo some numbers on everyone. Oh, wait.... that's been done.
Employers are doing credit checks on future employees but won't check ssn.Another card won't stop the problem.Until we clamp down on employers and put them in jail illegals will continue to cross our borders.
Why we have to change our way of life, because the US is so unable to stop illegal immigration?
E-Verify is free why create and pay or something new use what we have and then make it better over time, handing out a brand new card to every person that exists in America would cost tens of billions, and over a billion man hours, just look at what happened when they put RFID chips (Radio Frequency Identification) in everyone new Passport.
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