FROM CNN's Jack Cafferty:
In light of the botched Christmas day airline bombing - some say it's past time to start profiling passengers - especially from certain countries.
The U.S. is demanding more careful screening for people who are citizens of - or flying from - 14 countries considered security risks... including Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. The screening is to include things like full-body scanning and pat-downs, searches of carry-on bags and explosive-detection technology.
From the school of common sense comes the idea that it makes sense to more thoroughly screen passengers coming from countries where they may have been exposed to radical Islamic teachings.
But improved technology alone isn't the answer. The former head of security for Israel's airline El Al - which is arguably the most secure airline in the world - says we need better questioning of passengers. He suggests hiring well-educated, highly-trained agents who know what to look for. He says profiling isn't about singling out certain ethnic groups but about asking the right questions and spotting suspicious behavior.
Others claim that automatic profiling based on nationality doesn't work... terror suspect Richard Reid was British and Jose Padilla was Hispanic-American. But the fact remains that nearly all of the largest and deadliest terror attacks worldwide in the last 20 or 30 years have been carried out by young male Muslims from Arab countries in the Middle East. At what point does political correctness have to make way for our national security interests?
Oh, and President Obama's call for tougher screening procedures of passengers arriving in the U.S. from those countries deemed a security risk have been all but ignored in many places.
Here’s my question to you: When it comes to airline security, is it time to start profiling?
Interested to know which ones made it on air?
Dave from Brooklyn writes:
When a TSA agent sees a nervous individual looking around all the time with a bulge in his pocket, he is not doing anyone any favors by searching an 80-year-old grandmother in a wheelchair to avoid being accused of profiling. I want them to profile! We should do it like Israel does it – no one messes with their airline security. Clearly the way we have been doing it hasn’t worked.
Rus from St. Paul, Minnesota writes:
Profiling on race or religion won't get us anywhere closer to being safe. Profiling based on behavior, like if a passenger purchases a one-way ticket, pays cash, and has no luggage while leaving the country, then red flags should be raised. If we can't even put those clues together, why would any other type of profiling work?
Harold from Anchorage, Alaska writes:
Any non-citizen wishing to fly to the U.S. should be subject to a strip and/or body cavity search. Anybody refusing can stay home. Period.
Andrew from Coral Springs, Florida writes:
As a Muslim, I say yes: profile. Do we really want to risk the security of our nation in order to appease people who may get offended? Don't just pull every Arab over that you see, but apply common sense in order to protect our people. Furthermore, it is interesting how quick Muslims seem to be in denouncing profiling against them, yet I have never heard any group ever denounce acts of terror performed by "Muslim" extremists.
Tom in Tampa, Florida:
Probably, but terrorists are likely to be way ahead of us by choosing radicalized westerners to do their dirty work in the future. I am 66 and still remember the misguided, but dangerous, youth of the 1960's. They were not Middle Eastern.
Misty from Shawnee, Oklahoma writes:
Of course we should start profiling. There is an obvious pattern with these terrorists. Flying is a privilege these days, not a right. If you don't like the rules, take a bus or a boat. I for one don't want to be blown out of the sky.
I'm so fed up with this security crap and am so unconcerned that I would pay extra to fly on a non-secure flight.
Assuming that the target crime-prevention criteria do in fact generally match an ethnic/cultural/religious type, profiling makes sense. However, it cannot become a substitute for sound screening practices that target everyone!
Profiling should be one aspect used to deternine suspicion but not the only one. Obviolusly, muslims and particuarly men within a certain age fit the profile–but the enemy can change what we think should be either forcing someone other than one who fits the profile to commit the act or enticing another with another carrot.
Full body scans as well as luggage being scanned thoroughly by the proper personnel should be top priority. Hiring capable people is also top priority-Just ask El Al
Jack, it's a shame that "political correctness" supercedes life & death in America. Sorry, but security comes before someone's "feelings". We need to tell the pc crowd to shut the hell up and let us handle it from here. We've done it their way for 25 years now, and all we've gotten in return is death, destruction, and the loss of our holidays and traditions. It's not only time we racially profile, it should be mandatory at all levels of security – from schools, to police, to airlines and everything in between.
Jack, I do a little traveling every year, over 100k miles of actual flight time, and my view is that NO, its not time to start profiling.
Its time to put the people, systems, and processes in place so that EVERYONE who steps foot on an airplane (commercial or private), regardless of race, citizenship, or regilion gets thoroughly screened, and ALL their luggage, whether its carried-on or checked gets thoroughly checked. This is the ONLY way we will be safe from all the lunatics and religious fanatics out there, including those from our own country.
With respects to the new procedures from only "select" countries, its a start, but to be honest I think we should have been doing that already.. and I would have added Venezuela to the list way before Cuba...
Bottom line – EVERYONE FROM EVERYWHERE should be screened. PERIOD.
Jack- If it makes us safer I don't care
about a real strip search much less a
"virtual"one. If we weren't so obese we
wouldn't care about our privates being inspected.
I for one will sacrifice a little modesty to
know my plane won't be blown from the sky.
Since radical Islam thrives on ignorance the key
is opening the minds of these people. The real joke is
that China, Iran, Russia, and Venezuela are sitting back
while we waste our time chasing ghosts getting strong and wealthy.
Great question and I'm glad you asked it. You bet it is time to start profiling. You are correct that the deadliest terror attacks have come from Muslims. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but the large majority of terrorists are Muslim, so we should be paying particular attention to them coming in and out of our country as well as traveling within it.
Yes, it's past time to start profiling. If the attackers had been white, gray-haired little old ladies then they should have been profiled... Let's stop the politically correct non-sense.
Surprised we dont see suggested a very practical solution
-that we get patriotic American MUSLIMS to act as screeners
Sorry, but yes. Ask yourselves. What would Israeli IDF measures be in regards to airline security?
oh boy! they already invaded my luggage and now they are invading my personal life, if you know what i mean.
its funny these people are supposed to protect me.
Yes, screen those imbeciles
Jack, we have become the nation of paranoia. Where is this going to stop? Why then, we just ban all middle-eastern and black people from boarding the air-plane. Are we becoming a nation of fascism? We have become so desperate that we are getting advise from Israel, a nation as big as some of our billionaire's backyard. Give me a brake. The US and the UK admitted that they knew about this individual's background and they failed to stop him. My question is that why do we have to profile innocent people? You are white so you don't have to worry about it. It is humiliating when i am stopped in the airport just because i look middle-eastern. The whole thing looks like a conspiracy to me to isolate and humiliate our citizens.
Reference to the Christmas attempt plane bombing , our Government dropped the ball, First this man should have been put on a no fly list, second with a visa expired 3 months ago, how did he get past our agents.when a persons own father turns him in , we better be smart enough to look closely at him . or in the near future we will have a chemical and or nuke disaster, my government is scaring me more then the terrorist are .with there lackadaisical attitude.
Yes, it is time to start profiling. When Americans arrive in these countries most are not screened. They know Americans are a peace loving people, that vaule family and peace.
No Just start adding better security with all possible passengers using all airports.treat all individuals the same as a possible terrorist. There are a lots of people here inthis country that needed to be treated as possible terrorist. We have all of these idiots supposing to be anti government extremist right to bear arm. How many guns do a person need. We need to watch everybody
As a young black male in a already tense and racially cautious society I regetffully have come to the conclusion that it may be time to start profiling individuals when it comes to the airline industry. As wrong as racial profiling is I would like to be able to fly from DC to NY without worrying about my flight being blown up!
Yes it is time for profiling of everyone. The Israeli's have been doing it for years, and don't have any trouble with terrorists. The reason for this is that you have to show for your flight 3 hours in advance, no excuses. This allows them to study your behavior during those 3 hours. I don't have a problem with that. We should be doing this in the US!
I agree that the best solution is better training of security agents. Profiling is a security term for racism in the name of hoping to save lives. Let's not forget that most Americans die prematurely from automobile accidents, including drinking and driving, and poor diet. Surely we are not going to round up thousands of young American men because they fit the profile of weekend binge drinkers who may go out and wreak havoc on our roadways. Keeping our values in perspective is what makes America a morally advanced country. More sophisticated training to spot character issues in travelers is a truly intelligent and practical idea that we are well suited to implement. We even have a science called Human Performance Technology that can directly address this need.
You bet your life we should!!
Is it politically correct to dump toxic waste off of the coast of Somalia? Is it politcally correct to illegally use their fishing waters and sell the fish as Gorton's and Mrs. Paul's? Seriously?! If you are serious about curtailing terrorst acttiviites, go to the root cause: Poverty and overpopulation.
Yes, it's a no brainer. My 11 year old grand daughter and 91 year old mother in law are not a threat but get the same scrutiny as everyone else. We will only profile Muslims that have been to Yemen with no checked bags that pay cash for one way ticket here....duh?
It is long past time, it should have started on September 12th, 2001. It's not all that should be done of course but it another tool in keeping us safe. Only idiots are comfortable with the current "poliically correct "atmosphere which foolishly allows the screening of 80 year olds in wheel chairs while real potential threats are ignored. Would all of these misguided and dangerous "rights advocates" allow & invite suspicious or unknown individuals into their homes? The answer is no and our country should be no different. I am Irish American and I would have no problem being profiled if the IRA was still practicing terrorism. The Islamo-Fascists though are much worse and trapped as they are in their pathetic ideology will never change. Wake up America, we need to change since they will not.
Yes, yes, a thousand times YES. Call it what you will, profiling, enhanced questioning, but its time to DO IT!
Yes, I think we should have been profiling all along.
And also, I think we better start doing a better job using computers to matchup the information we have about terror suspects with the passengers who present themselves to agents at the airports all over the world.
It's way past the time that profiling should have been started. Oh yes, some people will shout 'racism', others will scream that their civil liberties have been defiled ... but at the end of the day, their lives just may be saved by being what even others will say is 'over protection'. We should be doing WHATEVER it takes to make our country and the people in it safe from that ever-growing population of terrorists.
Simple stuff really..no screening, no landing. As far as profiling..If it works, it should be done..simple.
Enough with political correctness. We need to adopt the approaches taken by the Israelis. You don't hear about this sort of thing happening on El Al flights. Yet, time and again you hear from "experts" that this approach will not work in the US, but never the reason way it won't work. I have a feeling that the reason is political correctness. So I guess we'll continue to frisk grandma in the wheelchair and let the bombers go through free and clear.
It might be of interest that since 9/11 there have been 20 published terrorist plots or attacks on the U.S.A. 71 people were involved in those plots. 41 are American citizens (origins: 11 Anglos; 20 Pakistani; 3 Iraqis; 7 Caribbeans). 23 Brits (origins: Pakistanis all). Finally 1 Kuwaiti; 1 Lebanese; 4 Guyanans (S. Amer.), and now 1 Nigerian (with possible Yemeni connection). Of the total 71 people, 61.4% are U.S. citizens and 32.9% are U.K. citizens. It seems that Pakistani muslims within our and British territories are the main terrorist threats. They are the young, easily-swayed youths that are being funded for travel to certain training destinations and the coordinators (enablers)are within our own muslim religious centers.
How's that for a profile?
ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This should have started YEARS ago, especially after 9/11!!
Political correctness has got to go!! With profiling, if we reduce a tenth of all deadly attacks, then we have made a difference.
In light of recent events, it doesnt look like we are doing very well as is, so I think it is time for a different approach!
Let me answer a question with a question....how many times have the Israelis had a problem in their airlines? Try NEVER. They profile.
I think we should take all the names on all the lists and don't let them on an American plane and revoke any visas.
YES. It is way past the time we should be profiling. Take a tip from ISrael, who deals with terrorism daily. They have screening procedures down to a science, and we should as well. You are absolutely right about WHO is perpertrating terror. Stop strip searching grandma from Idaho, and pay attention to those who deserve it.
Saving one life is worth the risk of offfending someone by profiling. How about geographical profiling?
Is it time to start profiling? DUH!
Yes. Nobody really likes it, especially those on the receiving end, but these maniacs will never stop, so additional measures must be taken.
And isn't profiling logical?
Yes it is and whoever doesn't like it, stay home and don't come to the US.
Is it time for profiling? It is past time for profiling. The time for any kind of correctness...political or whatever is OVER!!! You won't see me getting on an airline anytime soon.
As a strong Obama backer, I was appalled by the president's lukewarm support for the dissidents in Iran. His reasoning was to not derail the "fruitful" discussions about Iran's nuclear ambitions.
It's so ironic that we're spending billions on two countries that don't want democracy yet ignore the democratic movement inside one of our fiercest enemies.
it's been time to profile since sept 12th, 2001! our continued misguided sense of morality will continue to cost american lives. kevin p – kansas city mo
You are right on the money.... You have laid out the facts & the FACTS are: The major terroristic acts that have caused damage & a loss of human life have been the acts of MUSLIM men from Islamic countries, so start profiling them!
Enough is enough......
No Jack, it isn't.
Ben Franklin summed it up best.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. "
Sacrificing safety in the name of political correctness is just stupid.
All passengers should be checked carefully but when the vast majority of offenders are young muslim men why spend equal time on old ladies with white hair?
Profiling, it is time to wake up. We pay CEO who are worthless and do nothing to improve the general welfare of the tax payers millions, but we argue about letting people who protect us make a decent salary. DeMent need's to lose the election and every other obstructionist in congress who back the wealth and steal form the tax payers along with him/ We need to pay professional security people a good wage. just like with the argument about they have to pay CEO's big money we need to pay people who protect us good money. The CEO and big corporations need to pay it in their taxes being increased.
NO! This is a rediculous idea. This would be a refined attempt at guessing who 'looks' like a terrorist. It's shameful that people even have that mind set, but profiling would only further subscribe to its pseudo-validity. We need a system that screens everybody in a timely fashion. That way, terrorists will not be able to simply alter their appearance in order to carry out horrible acts. Unfortunately, this is going to take time to be done correctly, but we Americans have a need for instant gratification. I guess if the terrorists are ever successful, (God forbid), this can be one more thing they can blame on the President.
It's not time yet. Unfortunately, it appears it will take a major terrorist attack to wake up this administration. It pains me to say this , but on this one topic, I miss George Bush, ugh.
Absolutely! I want to feel secure when flying. I couldn't care less about being PC.
It's time to start doing what ever it takes in order to make flying safer. If some want to call it profiling,so may it be.
Hey Jack! it's time for 100% security and we all need to accept that because when Al-Qaeda is paying more than minimum wage you just never know who might be interested. And we need not look outside or too far, we need to think simple, bomb making materials can be found right here and they can come here clean, make the bomb and board an internal flight. Simple!
Mr Cafferty: the fact is that the TSA pays very low wages. People with better qualifications and education will not work for such little money. Just like those Wall Street CEO's justify their personnel incomes " we need to pay those employees better to retain the best and brightest".
Someone told me once: when you pay peanuts, monkeys come to work.
Those TSA personnel should be at law enforcement level in qualifications and earnings; after all they are enforcing US laws.
It is definitely time to start profiling air passengers. Americans need to accept that terrorism is here to stay and that safety overrides your right to privacy. We have a society obsessed with anything goes television viewing. But wants to appear overly modest when confronting a machine that shows an image of our body. If not profiling or machines that can detect exposives, then what, ask "pretty please" can I see your bomb. Millions of African-Americans are stopped for simply driving while black. Why can't we stop and question people for coming from a country that's known for terrorism and hating Americans.
Yes, provided that Whites are profiled in the exact same way as others and the profiling is not just managed and conducted by Whites
Profile suspected terrorist? Absolutely. But, as the experts say, don't rely on ethnicity or sex (don't exclude them either). Profile behaviors. In this latest event, there were sufficient behaviors, e.g., no luggage, cash ticket, point of origin, etc., to deny Janet Napolitano access to any flight or, at the least, justify a serious private pat down.
Should have been done long ago!
Why are we always so hessitant?
It's after all security for all citizens
Arabic people should expect it, after all most of the terrible attacks have been done by their countrymen
Remember when we used racial profiling for the DC Sniper? We looked for the typical Neo-Nazi white male, and we were dead wrong. Screen everyone, and use the scanners. If we don't pat down children, they will put bombs on children. Simple as that. They know our hang-ups.
Dah! Yes, do we want to be secure, or do we want to please and make everyone happy. This administration seems to have a problem with making decisions to protect U.S.citizens. Who came up with the term profiling anyway?
Finally! Political correctness is in the air when basic security is in question. As an ex Israeli citizen, I LOVE the fact that one gets screend verbally as well as physically and it is true that Palestinians and Muslims get more thorough screening than caucasians. When was the last time a caucasian blew up a plane?! Maybe the Muslims and passangers from the "special" countries woukd complain to their people asbout the racial profiling and discomfort at airports! And by the way, the security screeners at Ben Burion airport are all high ex-military people. There are supervisors to the supervisors and nobody gets by! It's worth wasting an other hour at the airport than a life in less than an hour!
I'm sure most privileged whites would be in favor of profiling. Why shouldn't they, they are not affected. I doubt any brown or black people would be in favor. We should be careful, white individuals might be the next bomb surprise.
Good question Jack.
Do you think it would have stopped the Christmas bomber from boarding that plane?
I’m not so sure. If a tip from his parents wasn’t enough to stop him getting on that plane what makes anyone think profiling would have stopped him getting on.
What more do you need than a tip off from a parent. That mistake is inexcusable. Who ever sat on that information should be "profiled" into the next century,,, or at least to a prison cell.
Regina Saskatchewan Canada
As a retired internatioal airline Capt. I have had more than my fair share of airport security pat downs etc. Profiling is not only the answer but long overdue. We waste to much energy on folks that have as high or higer security classifications as anyone in the TSA. The answer is better training and people at the top with experience in the industry. No more politically apointed managers. Less bueracacy more common sense, more plain clothes survailance.
Hey Jack, I trust your Christmas and New Year with the family was peaceful and Blessed.
Profiling, How many Muslims are there in the world. Where do they all live; Europe, Africa, Middle East, Russia, Indonesia and so forth.
I do believe it would be advantageous for American Security people to take direct education classes from the Israelis. Since they are very good at what they do. Those questions that should be asked should also come with wherewithal to adapt to each situation. Improvise if you must and that does come with a certain degree of profiling.
Yes on profiling. If history has taught us anything, it tells us the conditions and circumstances we should be looking for when threats get on airlines. Yes nationality but also one way tickets, watch lists, no luggage. When will we get our head ... ahhhh ... out of the sand. Time to ask the tough questions and challenge travelers.
Yes it is time to profile. It is time to put the full body screening machines in every airport in the US and fights coming to the US with US screeners doing the job in other counties. Tell the ACLU to get a life or close there doors. What good things have they done lately or if any.
Protect the US
As if we don’t do it already? It would be interesting to see what our fellow citizens with brown skin have to say on the subject.
This is a sticky situation. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Might as well segregate flights. What happens if malls, or supermarkets are targeted? Security in the U.S.A. will eventually evolve into a total policed state.
If little green men from Mars were coming here and killing people we'd all be looking for little green men to question or lock them up.
Jack, while I sympathize with those who would panic and suspend our American freedoms, it is imperative that we do not forfeit the foundations of our country. But that isn't even the best reason to be wary of profiling. The simple fact is that it will limit the agent's watchfulness if they work from the profiling perspective. They will be more effective if they have different forms other than a person's ethnicity.
Don't even think of using the "P" word. Great job Jack! Here comes the NAACP.
It's tempting, but doing so will only prompt the terrorists to change their appearance to beat the odds of being screened.
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck has kept me out of harms way for most of my life. It should work for the airports too..
It is time to profile. As a 34 year old Canadian Christian black male I likely will be selected for screening but if I arrive alive, and it means my wife and kids are more likely to arrive alive because of enhanced security my discomfort is a small price to pay. Flying is a privilege not a right; not being blown up on a commercial flight is a right not a privilege. In the whole world it is only Muslims that blow themselves up on planes. Passengers are not stupid. If the government does not profile, I can see companies offering certified Muslim-free flights for an extra $50 and I would pay it if it meant peace of mind and a greater likelihood of arriving alive.
Absolutely it is time to chuck the PC nonsense, and go straight for profiling. No one ever got blown out of the sky by political incorrectness. No one was ever killed by a dog sniffing their crotch. The screeners on the body scans can see the same "privates" all over the web.
We need to use every tool we have to keep terror out of our country. The bad guys are using our own foolishness against us. Let's stop that NOW! Interrogate the heck out of targeted travelers, please.
Valley Center, CA
Wouldn't it be nice if Obama improved on the screening system – that was started by his predecessor – instead of blaming that system's inadequacies on his predecessor?
There is no way to rely solely on profiling to prevent terrorist attacks on the USA. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was a Nigerian man, not from an Arabic speaking country. His explosives were concealed in his underwear and were virtually undetectable unless he was strip-searched. With a global Muslim population of 1.57 billion people, and the clear fact that Al Qaeda is exclusively Sunni by its orientation, to find profiling against Muslims as an absolute solution for an extremely complex problem is, for lack of a better word, dumb. On top of this, one might note that many terrorists trained in Spain, Canada, and even Florida. By honing in on the obvious, we signal to those who would conspire against us precisely what we will NOT be looking out for, and expose an Achilles heel of sorts, while isolating a Muslim population here in America that has already been met with tremendous mistrust and hostility.
Political correctness will never win at any objective in any
situation. It's only purpose is to win votes on the all too frequent political races. All we are now doing is telegraphing our moves and
allowing the enemy to gain and maintain the higher ground while disrupting our lives and eroding our freedoms at enormous expense.
It's too late to "profile" since this procedure will only be used to inflame those targeted and strengthen their cause. Just "do it" and keep our mouths shut.
It's time to quit pussyfooting around and get real on security, Obuma's a weak sister in this area. We. Real Americans realize that we will have to give up some of our freedoms to be secure! Profiling is one of these freedoms! PERIOD!
I think his comment about profiling male passengers that are muslim from Iran is extremely stupid.... Calling Iranians the usual suspects makes him nothing short of ignorant and prejudice...
Want a fact? There has not been a single report of airline terrorism ever from an Iranian...
Maybe before you attempt to make America fall-back to a rascist agenda in the name of security you at least focus on countries where terrorists have actually came from, in this case your list was completely wrong..
Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen those are the only countries where there is the slightest shred of probable cause to support your case...
Iran being treated criminally needs to stop, it's people are innocent,
it's government is the problem....
When you say Iran, make sure you add "Government Officials" otherwise you're simply scape goating an entire society that works very hard there and in America... very sad... I'm very disappointed.
Strip searching my 95 year old aunt at the airport is stupid. Strip searching a young Muslims man who purchased a one way ticket in the middle of winter (with no winter clothing) and has no luggage is smart. Its time to STOP being stupid and smarten up. Please start profiling passengers and leave my Aunt alone.
Tom in Iowa
Since 9/11,security for our domestic flights works well. It looks like the TSA is on the ball. It's outside the US that all the problems begin. Either hire that guy from El Al to do our security, or do background checks for ALL passengers heading into the US. No background check, no entry, no matter who you are. In other words, close our boarders to our foreign "guests", until "we" know who you are.
How has profiling worked for us historically? In this country profiling makes for hostility and resentment between law enforcement and the communities they patrol and results in crime explosions in those communities. How? If you treat good people like criminals then no one trusts the police, i.e. no one wants to "snitch" to people who treat them like the enemy regardless of guilt. If you treat everyone in a religion, country or race like a terrorist how difficult will it be for us to gather foreign intelligence. No one will trust us because the good people in that religion, country or race will remember the humiliation and what felt like collective punishment the last time they flew. They'll tell our CIA, special operations troops and FBI to take a hike. No cooperation.
I thing the whole TSA agency needs to get fired !!!!!!!!!!!!
It's time to use ALL of our senses and premonitions (including profiling) in order to identify anyone seeking to do an act of terrorism.
It is time to face the cold hard facts surrounding this incident. It is a failure of what should be our first defense against such plans. It is time to ensure that information gathered from all sources around the world is coordinated and effective measures implemented to prevent these lapses occurring in the future.
Reviews of procedures are all well and good but this incident requires immediate implementation of a stricter analysis of available profiling information so that people of this type are either denied access or scrutinized thoroughly before being given access to airline travel.
We're always profiling. The real question is: should our profiling include the color of someone's skin?
Considering all of our security is just theater and will not stop a trained and dedicated attacker, I say no. It is a waste. Just expand the air marshal program and make them conspicuous on flights. It'd create a good number of jobs to have a single officer on board each domestic and incoming international flight. Plus I'm sure it wouldn't cost as much as installing useless and invasive body scanners without adding to the facade of security.
Yes, Yes, and Yes!!. Profiling is just one tool but it may be the one tool that helps catch a bomber or terrorist before they can strike. The United States needs to use every tool at it's disposal to thwart terrorists. This is an ever changing situation and as soon as we think we have all the answers the terrorists attack from a different angle. had it not been for the passengers on that Delta flight the terrorists would have won again.
Is there anyone with a brain that thinks that a eight nine year-old grandmother from Idaho represents the same security risk as a twenty three year old Muslim male from the middle east? And as for the U.S. Muslims that complain about profiling – perhaps they should invest as much energy in eliminating Muslim extremists as they do in objecting to being singled out.
Yes, it is time. Profiing by nationality should not be treated with the contempt that racial profiling deserves. If other countries begin checking Americans it would not be construed as racial profiling, and although we might be angered, if that sovereign country thought it appropriate for their safety, it would be their right to do so.
Profiling will be a new recruiting tool for Al Quieda. This is not a good ideas. we need people trained in the filed to the job.
More than 95% of terrorists are young Muslim men. That's the Facts Jack, so, YES....PROFILE. Let's NOT be politically correct AND STUPID.
The sad thing is that the bomber had the exact same profile as the "Shoe Bomber." SOOO.... it seems Bush's Homeland Security team hasn't done its job. Yet, Republicans refuse to confirm Obama's pick for head of Homeland Security FOR POLITICAL REASONS.
The Republicans chastize Obama for NOT responding for 72 hours. Those VERY SAME Rpublicans chastized the Democrats and the media for criticizing Bush when it took Bush SIX DAYS to respond to the "Shoe Bomber."
As long as POLITICS is part of the debate, we "as a nation" ARE NOT SAFE. To think we can stop EACH AND EVERY attempt to terrorize us is unrealistic. BUT, that only means we MUST work as an individual, as a group, as a movement , as a nation to thwart the attempts to attack us. EVERYONE needs to work together to keep us all safe.
If you mean profiling someone who has paid cash (approx $3k) for a one-way ticket, YES,
Jack, you are the only talking head that has the courage to consistently tell tThe he truth to the Nation
Thank God you have unveiled the stupidity of "Politically Correctness"
Yes, it is absolutely necessary to Profile thes young male Islamst/Middle Eastern people. Not just coming into the country but those that are already here.
The cost of profiling versus what we now spend should tell our politicians that this a no brainer==Oh, but do they have much brain power??
Absolutely! We should screen with a flight card with your travel history to be screened when we go thru initial security. If a credit card can check our credit quickly, we can do the same before you check in. Don't like the idea of a flight card to be safe, don't fly
I don't think profililng is the answer. America has been profiling for a while and it only breeds hatred and anger. I think every individual has to be extremely vigilent. Passengers have to have the presence of mind to read the people sitting next to them, look at them; what they are doing; where they are going; what's in their hands. People have to look out for themselves and the government and agencies will also do their part. But now everyone has to be involve because we don't know the face of the enemy it could be anyone.
when a group of white american baptists hijack a plane full of arabs and fly it into that brand new tower they built, we can stop profiling.
until then, 100% of everybody who has ever flown a plane full of people into a building, look, act, and quack like a duck.
All Muslims are not terrorists, BUT everytime someone tries to blow up a US aircraft, it is a Muslim.
PROFILE THOSE MILITARY AGE MUSLIM MALES.
ALSO, SCRUTINIZE WHO GETS VISAs to come to the USA from Muslim countries in the first place. If they don't have a damned good reason for coming here..."Denied".
Not to many Americans are going to the middle east on vaction these days.
Al Quaeda is the most adaptive organization in the world. When we start profiling men from Arab countries, they will start using women. When we starting profiling all people from Arab countries, they will start using somebody else, Asians, Blacks, Whites. If they have to use blackmail or deception, they will find a way. If you're angry enough, mean enough, hateful enough you will do anything. They will even use children and the elderly. We learned during Viet Nam that guerilla warfare is mean and ugly. We as Americans would never think about using women, children and the elderly. That's why I think we should screen EVERYONE. We can TRUST No one. Period. You know what's scary? Jack, I'm a liberal, peace loving, freedon-loving American. But I'm confident because I believe that President Obama, Secy Clinton and Secy Gates have the best possible chance of finding a way through this mess!
If we are to live or die by our tenants of democracy, liberty, justice, and freedom we must not, we cannot, discriminate who these are for as to live them we must extend these rights to all human beings. It is not us and them. Otherwise, we will as a society be the greatest hypocrites in history.
Yes. it is time to start profiling. It is also time to replace TSA with Military Police, who face court-martial if they screw up, as at Newark. Letting someone in through the exit at Newark would hve meant 10 years in a military prison and a dsihonorable discvharge for whoever let him therough, not reassisnment at Newark Airport. In France the Gendarmerie Mobile and in Germany the Grenzeschuetze provide security.
I think it's time for MUSLIM AIRLINES – if you are a muslim you can only travel on Muslim Airlines and no other aircraft. If they blow it up, they will get other muslims up in arms and they will do what they should have done a long time ago, sort out this radical element of their mostly peaceful religion that does NOT condone violence like this.
Is holding Israel up as the Gold standard of airline security a new right wing meme? Israel actively asserts its will on it's neighbors with weapons we give them. A little bigotry is in their constitutional DNA. Of course they strip search Arabs. They hate Arabs. This is not the American way. When did we get away from being the Land of the Free? There is no land of the free without it also being the home of the brave. We must be brave enough not to fear what is different out of hand and that is what profiling is.
Gee, let me think...so far, the white house and the secret service have admitted to three unauthorized personnel being admitted to a party in the white house.
Yes. The U.S. should have been profiling since 9/12/2001. Forget politcal correctness. This is a matter of national security. I don't think this nation needs another 9/11 tragedy.
It is absolutely time to profile. It is also time to train TSA people like Customs and Immigration personnel. Our TSA is the laughing stock of the world and the U.S. Qualifications are zero – read a screen, but can they think on their feet – No. Why empty an airport as they do for stupid things ... they allow someone to escape the line so they have to bring 'everyone' back through for screening again .... They find an article that they cannot identify ... so they clear the airport rather than that section and quickly removed said item to another area. Most of them are so overweight and old they couldn't catch or detain anyone even if they had to. Homeland Security and their rules are just as outdated ... can't leave your seat or have anything in your lap within the last hour of a flight ... ridiculous ... let's just do our thing before that hour deadline. Yes, I could do better.
No, Richard Reid would have been given a pass. The Israeli is right. Interviews are a good addition, if done competently. The Detroit bomber answered truthfully that he was carrying explosives. Few people, and fewer still mentally defective "martyrs" have the ability to smoothly lie.
Naturally, we have to do better identifying risky individuals before they even get to the airport. We had plenty on this guy, and just did not react appropriately. Probably needs procedure corrections, individual discipline and improved training to plug that hole.
Yes it is time to start profiling.
I'm sick of political correctness. If someone or some group gets their feelings hurt, it’s a very small price to pay for protecting the lives of innocent people. Also implement full body scans, a trained security person taking a peek at your privates in xray view, is also a small price to pay.
And while we’re at it let’s address the laws to prevent those whose feeling are hurt or who are embarrassed from cashing in on the situation (i.e. suing).
Profiling is just part of the equation. What is needed is a security force or well trained professionals. The first issues is minimally paid security that is not well trained and not experienced. We need career agents who are specialists in this field. It is obvious that a majority of TSA agents are not trained and education to be more than slightly better paid security guards. If we have a professional security force, then profiling will be one of many effective tools.
If Polish, Irish, or Australian citizens had a history of terrorists acts, then I would fully expect them to be singled out for extra screening as well. This isn't an attack on Islam, it's just a set of actions taken to protect all of us.
Mr. Cafferty, I think you have a point, and I kinda agree with you.
The thing is, if we just say "Profile those guys", eventually we'll slip up in the other areas. We'll become predictable. I'm not saying that everyone will do this, but it's a regular tendency of humans. As the focus shifts largely toward some groups, it will go away from others. Think of how silly (to put it lightly) it would be to find out that we let a friendly-looking white guy get on a plane with a bomb.
I'm not against common sense, but we need to keep it within the confines of safe security practices.
The terrorists are already saying/thinking, "those americans, what idiots". Of course we should profile
As Muslim American who is currently serving in the US Marines and deployed to Iraq and twice to Afghanistan twice. I have spent many dark nights in fox hole with my fellow Marines and put my life in line for our great nation. I am originally from one of those 14 countries named. I don't think I should be subjected to extra search or profilled because of religion, race or nationality. Why do I have to pay the price for a crime that I have not committed? People like Jose padilla, Reid, hurdly were not from those countries and they don't even have Muslim names, and I don't see any Brits or Americans going through the same way. I think whatever muslim Americans do we will always be treated as second class Citizens.
Sgt Mohamed K
It was reported that the Christmas day "bomber" was accompanyed by an Indian gentleman, who spoke to airline authorities about allowing the guy on with no visa. Whoever from the airline that let him on should be admonished, and that is where the blame should lie. new rule: Don't let guys with no visa on the plane! I don't see why the whole flying public has to respond to one airline supervisors bad call.
Absolutely, but for terrorist types! This presently involves muslims, nervous attitudes, young men, etc. We also need to have a fill body scan required on all flights coming into the US, backed up by dogs, "puffer" machines, and pat downs.
The problem is that the word "profiling" conveys the naive view of simply singling out one religious or racial group when as the quote from the former El Al security head makes clear that if you have a well-crafted profile of the type of individual most likely to carry out these crimes it can be useful. But it's not simply one of nationality or religion or ethnicity but much more sophisticated than that. I've got no problem with that. So long as it isn't seen as exclusive – i.e. if you don't fit the profile we can safely ignore you. And also so long as the screening personnel don't assume that if someone fits the profile they're guilty of something. There's a polite, humane and thorough way to screen someone fitting the profile and there's a rude, accusative, counterproductive way to do it. And clearly if we have a list of countries that when you travel through them lead to more thorough screening we're already doing some profiling.
Hey Jack,It's always been time ever since 9/11.I say Political Correctness and Privacy be "Damned".The times we live in now call for the correct thing to do.The hell with the ACLU and all the other BLEEDING HEART LIBERALS that say "Oh our civil liberties are being infringed on.B.S. scan everyone who rides PLANESand BUSES
No, it isn't unless everyone from all countries, even allies, are profiled. It is not a good feeling of being scrutinized because of your skin color. I went through that locally during Christmas at the local mall.
It would be prudent to do so when there was a report a couple of years back that stated that the bad guys were looking to recruit blond and blue-eyed European Muslims. It makes sense that American John Lindt was involved as well as others.
This tactic is setting up the possibility that while we're looking for the wolf by those we think are dangerous, we'll get bitten by a lamb from the flock that we thought wasn't.
Yes! Heck we already do it. To be a race jockey you got to be small and to be basketball player you got to be tall. Women can only have babies and men cannot. What's the big deal? Not all Muslims are terrorists but nearly all terrorirsts are Muslims. Personally, I don't want to have to give up going to the bathroom, not having a barthroom break, playing on my computer just so people can have "privacy at the airport " by avoiding bull body screening or worse pat downs of the checst. Thaks Jack! Good man!
I thought LIBERTY not SAFETY was the most paramount thing in this country. I guess Americans don't realize that since most have never bothered to read the United States Constitution. How about we start wire tapping phone lines and place camaras EVERYWHERE.... Ohhhh wait...
Flying is not fun anymore, it's now a great big hassle. Common sense dictates that we should have started profiling years ago.
I would suggest that profiling passengers originating from flights from countries deemed "security risks" is not efficient. All flights involved in 9/11 incidences were domestic flights and already had box cutters onboard which were used as weapons of choice.
First and foremost: Inspect planes thoroughly for items left by passengers to be used later.
And Secondly: Have sensitive detection devices installed on airports which can sniff out minute traces of chemicals along with metal detectors.
Full body scanners is taking it too far and infringe upon privacy. Not sure if it is safe for expecting mothers and their unborn children.
Whether we call it Profiling or using our smarts to target the bad guys, Hell yes we should start using something that works. Waiting until an airliner actually goes down is not the result that we need. As you mentioned, "Thats a Fact, Jack."
Is it time to start profiling those that may be Muslims. You bet. I am not concerned with hurting their feelings. As a matter of fact if they, the TSA, are going to use body scanners on all classes of people boarding airplanes I would at the same time give all young to middle age Muslims a new pair of underwear and a sweatsuit to put on if they want to fly. End of that problem.
I think the time has come for all passengers to strip naked, don paper, throw away jumpsuits and booties and undergo a thorough screening and pat down prior to boarding their flights (international or domestic). In addition all carry on luggage should be banned and all checked luggage should be examined by qualified, honest law enforcement official.
How many times have the Israelis had a problem in their airlines? Try NEVER. They profile. Prehaps they can handle our Security from now on
Sure, in a Fascist state. Let's face it, once you start with one group it will make it justifiable to do any other RANDOM group. And so on. So, no thank you. Just screen away all of us. I would much rather spend more money and time on technology than rely upon the inherently flawed human nature.
SF Bay Area
Profile by nation, not by 'appearances'. Ridiculous, un-American, and vile to pick people out of a line because they're more brown than their surrounding passengers.
We have the technology to develop a manned scanning walkway just like the security set up in Arnold Schwarzenegger’s “Total Recall”. Let’s do it. Do it now. And forget about your attempt to foment racial discord.
"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."
If a would-be terrorist bomber gets to the airport, it's probably already too late anyway. More focus must be put on preventing them from even getting to the airport.
Why take another step towards the logical conclusion of this kind of "security," in which travel becomes such a hassle that nobody wants to travel any longer? I mean, what's next - body cavity searches? Come on... there HAS to be a better way!
El Al doesn't profile. They use common sense. Profiling (assuming all Muslim males are terrorists until screened) will only add fuel to the fire because every Muslim male traveling by air will be unfairly treated. What we need is an efficient, central system of screening. When Abdulmutallab was checking in, a warning should have popped up on the screen when his name was typed into the computer. How hard can that be?
As a 40 year old Black American male, I have found myself being profiled many number of times...it is what it is. We are way past due handling our business when it comes to airline security. We are spending way too much time and money screening everyone who travels by plane. A 50 year old caucasion woman from Iowa has no business being screened. I also understand, again as a black male this is means again I'll probably fit the physical profile of the individuals being looked at, again it is what it is...Lets use the technology available"Iris scanning for example" and get smart about this
I think time is way past due for airport security profiling. You see racial profiling happen everyday when the police pull someone over in a car that might consists of 3, maybe 5 people being searched. Why not hold that same exact standard when it comes to our airlines. And by the way, IF we already had full body scans available, the attempted terrorist attack on christmas would have never happened.
Being U.S. born, half Asian & half European decent, I have been said to look Middle Eastern when my grow out my beard (when I'm too lazy to shave)...I've never really been 'profiled' when driving or travelling, just the usual questions when entering U.S. Customs. It doesn't bother me cuz I don't have anything to hide or conceal or lie about.
Anyhow, the question is about 'airline-profiling', I don't care what it's called, just follow the steps of El Al...period! Why do you think El Al is the safest airline in the world?? They've taken every precautionary and security measure to ensure the safety of their crew and passengers!!!
Safety always has a price, and I'm sure others would agree to subject themselves to further questioning or delays, all to ensure our flight is 100% secure!!!! whatever it takes!
Hell Yes, all of the criteria that helps keep terrorist off planes should be employed. No one is saying keep moslems out of the states we are just saying they should be checked more then 60 & 70 yr old ASWM & F
If profiling means to pay more attention to passengers from certain countries or that exhibit certain behaviors – I am all for it. To ignore that the current threat is almost exclusively coming from radical Muslims does not pass the common sense test. Obviously everyone must be screened, but put extra effort where we know it might do the most good. I'm sorry, this might mean nervous looking muslim or middle eastern males get singled out for extra screening – It is an unfortunate reality.
It may come to profiling, but if ticket agents were a little sharper, Jack....a fellow (might be Irish or Australian) buys a one-way ticket (red flag #1) and pays cash (red flag #2) and checks no luggage (red flag hat trick)...shouldn't the ticket agent alert somebody?
Sheesh – a little common sense can avert tragedy, dontcha think?
Sorry forgot to give my city in the first post:
Psycological profiling yes, but how to carry out religious profiling? How are you going to identify a Muslim – is it going to be male who looks like a typical arab (like 9/11 hijackers) or does he look like an african (underwear bomber) or does he look like a british african (Richard Reid) or an african-american (John Allen) or does he look like a white caucasian american (John Walker Lindh) or does he look like a mediterranean man (Turkey) or does he look like a Chinese (Uigher) or oriental (indonesian / malasian / chinese)??? There are over a billion and a half muslims world wide.
And if you are looking for a muslim name or religion mentioned on the passport, then good luck with that! You can get a brand new passport (of-course a fake one) signed and endorsed by corrupt government officials for less than a couple of hundered bucks in at least a dozen third world countries. It is better we start using our brains than just following our guts.
What is happening now is almost worse than an airline terrorist attack because for the most part the airline system is being shut down. Why not have the passengers remove all their clothing and wear disposable uniforms on every flight provided by the airlines. No carry on bags allowed under any circumstances.
Anybody thinking that we should invest more money into screening programs is out of his or her mind!!! I work in the cargo business and can tell you for a fact the TSA is causing people to lose private sector jobs, causing airlines to lose money, causing Americans to have to spend more to travel, and for mey it is getting more and more expensive to ship freight via airlines.
To compare the Air system in the United States to EL AL is a joke, think people!!!! How many airports are in Isreal? Now how many Airports are in the United States? Are you kidding me?
We must profile, we all do it everyday, it's commen since; for example, I grew up in West Philly, do you think I leave my car doors unlocked when I visit the old neighborhood??
It's not only time to start profiling, IT"S LONG PAST TIME. It's also time that we (America) stop listening to the ACLU and stop recognizing the ACLU as a guiding force in America's direction. The ACLU doesn't stand for America, they don't save lives, they disrupt the American government. Their view aren't shared by a majority of Americans or even a majority of Congress. They are leftest extremists who delight in seeing our country fail to act on anything. Who cares what they think about profiling, let's get on with protecting our nation and it's citizens, and stop worrying about the ACLU. They will never be pleased.
No. I think everyone should be thoroughly screened before boarding a plane to the United States. Profiling can miss a terrorist who may not fit the profile. What we need to do is concentrate on imrproving screening methods. In the short-term, we will have long lines and much wasted time on security screening. One hopes, the technology will improve and the inconvenience will lesson.
And by the way, all those 500,000 names on the list of "interest to security"–they should be especially searched and screened. Yes, there are innocent people on that list by mistake but, for now, let's be diligent.
Jack, this is not what I think about your question. Have listened to the all the people, with all kind of degrees, (including our President) and all any of them do is just TALK. and TALK and listening to them, they are not say a darn thing to help solve the problem. Could write more, but think you get what I mean!!
Profiling is a tool to be used in conjunction with the dogs, the pat downs secondary interviewing. A multiple level approach to safer flying is necessary.
To simply answer yes or no to profiling is a knee jerk reaction to a terrible situation. We've lost certain privacy anyway so to delude ourselves that profiling is more intrusive them shoe removal, dogs, or secondary interviews is silly.
"All men are created equal and endowed by the creator with certain inalienable rights, and among these rights are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"
Profiling would be totally unamerican.
Yes, start profiling now; anyone who fits the profile doesn't fly.
Profiling by race, nationality, or ethnicity is different from profiling according to religious beliefs and ideology. At this point, there is a good argument to be made for the latter.
Jack profiling Muslims is not going to secure this country, security should be subjected to all passengers entering the US. regardless of their ethnicity or their country. TSA only focuses people with Muslim identity or mainly Arabs and this is wrong. This a big mistake and if we do insist profiling this countries it will worsen the situation and next thing you will see is a white man from Europe or USA, We need to watch everybody.
"Yes, it is time to start profiling. When Americans arrive in these countries most are not screened. They know Americans are a peace loving people, that vaule family and peace."
Wow, I can't believe somebody actually wrote that.
Jack, Are you kidding? I am scanned, shoeless, liquid free, and standing in lines because Muslim Religious Nuts hate Infidels. Profile, Interrogate, Scan, and deny entry to those who fit the Profile
Bin Laden problably shaved his beard, altered his appearance and is now living in Marbella, Spain laughing all the way to the casinos. He intimidated our entire nation.
I am a liberal democrat age 70 USA citizen.
Of course it is way past time to start profiling!
Ask the people who are on the targeted Detroit plane if they are in favor of profiling.
Unfortunatly yes it is time to start profiling. I think due to the events since 911 and before all the way back to the US Marine barracks bombing in Lebanon the warning signs are there that radical islam has marked us and they will not stop. Its unfortunate however our sole responsibility as Americans is to protect our homeland and preserve freedom from those who wish to take it from us. Perhaps if we do start profiling it will press others in the race and culture in question to rise up against the extremist and do something about it for thier own cause. I can honestly say I believe another attach is on the brink and its time to get on defense "post haste".
100 times YES. Everyone please answer: are you going to bring your child (not yourself but your kid – lots of people are willing to risk lives for their principals) in harm's way just because of political correctness?
How many more lifes need to be lost before we understand that?
Protecting lifes – that's the main purpose of democracy.
And if I would be a muslim who is not insane and don't want to lose his/her kids, then I would say the same.
Screening people who live in countries on a security watch list is NOT ethnic profiling. Ethnic profiling would be to screen people because they look like they might be from those countries.
Why trust any passenger, it works for El Al, it will work for us, besides air travel isn't a ride on the Board Walk, and we have a herd of wacko's whose purpose is to inflict pain and suffering on anyone. If it weren't for Israel or the USA, they would substitute their target and attack someone else.
By not profiling we let whole classes off the hook for the behavior of memeber – when the entire moslem community feels the heat, maybe they will help stop these nuts!
As much as we do not like being profiled, it now has become obvious that more profiling is absolutely necessary if we are going to make any head way in stopping potential acts of terrorism. I'm a frequent flyer and have willingly put up with more and more restrictions and inconviences. Now I want my government, my elected leaders, and community leaders to really stop the nonsense which they know how to do but are afraid.
I don’t think it will help but push the moderate Muslims to be more radical. In my opinion, everything to make flying much simpler is in place. What’s missing is the disconnect amongst the intel community. What we need is a strong Project Manager type person to coordinate the intel efforts between all parties. Knee-jerk reactions are not the answer.
While profiling with regard to race or religion is controversial, I believe we should profile in many ways. We've been profiling for decades to some degree- paying cash, buying one-way tickets, males of a certain age, etc, etc. have been reasons to take closer looks. I feel strongly that Muslims from any countries should be given a very thorough looking over. After all, some of the most angry Muslim radicals are British, French or German citizens!
Paul Taylor (retired TWA pilot who flew 33 years and have seen plenty of murderous destruction at my old airline dating from the early '70's. Virtually all of it by Muslim radicals.)
Jack, it's time to start full body scans or pat down....... Period!
Osama Bin Laden knew that we would be too liberal to allow profiling (the obvious best way to insure security) and used that against us – and he won! He will continue to win until we do what the Israelis do. PROFILE! If you don't like it don't travel.
Many years ago business travel routed me through Heathrow often. At the time, I had longish hair and I dressed down with comfort in mind. Britain was reeling from multiple suspected IRA terrorist bombings and I guess I loosely fit the profile for a potential terrorist and as such I was almost always pulled aside for a more thorough search. It was inconvenient but I understood their position and respected their diligence in making flying safer for everyone – myself included. Handled properly, profiling should not be an issue and I think you'll find even those on the receiving end are understanding.
More recently, I've also witnessed first hand the idiocy of random checks. I was inline behind an elderly couple easily in their eighties that were pulled aside for additional security checking. The problem was exacerbated because the woman had difficulty balancing without her cane and they were adamant about her raising her arms so they could pass a wand over her entire body. The couple was understandably upset and confused by the whole ridiculous incident.
It is comical that people like my 80 year old father in his wheelchair are being searched while these 20-40 year old men do not even need a valid pasport. We must start profiling and stop strip searching grandmas.
"Innocent until proven guilty" is not a political correctness. Neither is equal protection under the law. It is what makes Americans truly free.
Racial profiling is never acceptable. A young American man of Arabic descent, like my cousin Omar, should not be inconvenienced in airports because of his nationality. However if he were from Yemen and was simply visiting, I'd have no problem with him having to go through extra security measures. Origin and destination should be considered first before any ethnic factors are weighed.
yeah for sure.
You bet! If they want to come to the land of the free what's wrong with profiling and seeing some underwear, Need a crackdown on the two year visas....
Every airline bomber or attempted airline bomber since Lockerby has been
3) had no luggage to check in
4) bought their tickets with cash
5) Didn't buy a return ticket
50% of them were named Muhammad
So why are they pulling Grandma out of the line? Or the family with the 3 screaming kids?
it is about time you need to take those cloth off. this is a pure security and nothing else.if you don't like it, that is your problem but rules are rules, ain't no one above the law here. if you don't want to be pat down don't fly, end of the story.
Absolutely its time to do whatever it takes to secure flights to and from America. Whatever it takes, including profiling muslims, and others who ever it may be !
Furthermore, its time to secure our borders and ports with the latest technology and protect Americans from the radical world !!!
The time for profiling began on September 11, 2001. Anyone who objects to being profiled should find other means of travel.
The limp wristed liberals who cry about facism hide behind it when their security is at risk. How hilarious... maybe you could write them to death, or maybe have the terrorists on a talk show and convince them to see counseling. Obviously guns aren't the answer, neither is profiling, because that's not fair. Fair is what we should be doing, not what they should be doing. Fair is what makes us feel better about ourselves until they are at our doors, then it's suddenly no longer fair.
No!! There needs to be 100% "Total Recall" full scanning. The world must live with it; it is long over due. And while your at it, Jack, maybe we should start talking about adding fractional share 91k operations and charter 135k operations to the same security requirements. They have no luggage or personal searching of any kind; and they have the capability of flying and landing practically anywhere they want.
Forget race, why not just screen anybody that buys a ticket with cash, has no bags, and acts nervous? Oh wait that's a profile also. Just break out the dogs and the scanners and give people a choice, get sniffed by the dog or go through the scanner? Just hurry the hell up I am going to miss my flight!
If there was just 10 seconds to screen and make a decision of whether to let a 90 year old woman or a 25 year old male from Yemen on a plane, which one would you let on?
Almost everyone would pick to screen the male. Those that wouldn't do not have the dose of reality required to make policy. In the idealist's Utopia where they have unlimited resources, time and good intentions, that approach works. However, they might want to visit us here on Planet Earth where we do not have those luxuries.
Profiling is all about the spectrum of characteristics you are prepared to identify that make it MORE likely someone is up to know good. It is a filter, not a crystal ball.
I get profiled all the time but I do not care since I get to go to my gate way before all the white folks. Also grandma is profiled with me as well. tomorrow Al Qaeda will use a white dude from Chechnya with blonde hair and blue eyes. what will you say then, or an Aryan Nation from Oregon or a Nazi from germany blows up a plane. what will you say then?
Does El Al profile certain people and groups, or does it have competent, experienced staff who are well trained in how to spot "tells" that suggest suspicious behavior? I'll bet it's the latter.
Train people well, and then back them up should they choose to pull a member of a certain group or another out of line for more screening. Don't make them second-guess themselves for fear of being sued.
Many people think I am from the Middle East or India. Even people from those parts of the world. I actually am African-American. You cannot tell by how someone looks. I flew 13 times in 4 weeks maybe they should make a registry of frequent flyers. I sure do not want to be scanned that many times. A little common sense would go along way. Really who takes an international flight without baggage and pays cash. I think it would be hard culturally for this man to give information on his son. Did not anyone realize it had to be serious.
The problem isn't the profiling – but who is profiled. There have been 3 successful terriorist attacks on US soil – two by Islamic, Arabic people (WTC) and the third by a Christian, Anglo person (OK City).
If you want to start profiling then you need to start pulling White Males between the ages of 18 and 40 aside for extra screening, body cavity searches, etc. and that is not going to be tolerated by the White majority of Americans concerned about stopping suspected terrorists – or should I say, White majority of Americans concerned about stopping terrorists that don't happen to look like themselves.
I do not believe profiling will resolve the problems during airport screenings. What I do not understand is that there was advanced intel available to the US authorities to act and not grant any visa, but that procedure grossly failed. Profiling must be done while applying for such visas. Passport travel activities should have alerted a lowest security checks and that did not happen. Profiling at a different level would be a process to consider.
It is certainly time to get smarter about security measures. However, profiling, by nature, means that people are "guilty until proven innocent." That sounds unsettling to me.
isnt profiling (the jews, gypsys, etc) what Nazi Germany did????
jack, let's see – the Israelis are surrounded by people who would love nothing more than to blow up amidst Israelis and on-board Israeli airlines and yet, that does not happen. Now WHY do you think that is the case?
Sure lets start profiling. I will start with middle aged white males. Studies show that they are more likely to be a molesters, so lets keep them all away from schools, playgrounds, etc.
Domestic spying, Gestapo style government agencies, minorities on lists with public identification policies ,torture, placing U.S. citizens into interim camps, an interpretive constitution, nuclear bombing civilians; Americans may be proud of their successes but I think the world is rightly losing their enamor for the government and citizens of the US.
Republicans are fascists, whether they know it or not. Your leaders have failed you, and you have failed your country.
Exactly! We should ban every Muslim/Middle Eastern male from flights because they commit the vast majority of terrorist acts. We should also interrogate every Black and Hispanic male because they are convicted of the vast majority of crimes. And we should also round up every white male because they are responsible for the vast majority of serial murders. We do ALL of that, and I’ll know we’re serious about getting rid of so-called “political correctness.”
Come on, Jack, how will profiling fix our failure to act on the intellegence that identified the underwear bomber as possible a threat?
Both the Christmas attack and the shoe bomb attempt were from flights that originated in other countries. It doesn't matter what we do internally to build up security. As long as planes fly here from other countries we are going to be vulnerable. Totally security is an illusion.
Instead of making every American passenger's experience miserable with an overdone and frankly marginally effective screening process, we need to focus on finding these terrorists before they get to the airport.
It seems like every time there is a situation at an airport, security wastes precious time pulling an elderly woman out of line because she had "a little TOO much moisturizer" over the limit and let the man with NO BAGGAGE and a trenchcoat through with no hassle. Wake up America, time to wise up and do what is needed to protect our homefront. Group strip searches, frequent dog sniffing searches, I don't care what it takes. Let's stop being people pleasers and search even the ones that don't look like a potential bomber.
We had the shoe bomber with Richard Reed, now we have the " Christmas bomber " with this new Idiot – why is no one referring to him as the UNDERWEAR BOMBER ? why desecrate the word Christmas.
Why are we not going the other direction entirely by pre-qualifying all people boarding airplanes into the USA?
Basically, a permanent biometric ID system - Know who they are in the first place.
Failing that, why is ANYONE on any watch list allowed to get on a plane to visit the US in the first place?
Finally, why are we not taking the advice of the Israelis and Brits who, for decades, have dealt with this type of threat?
If a guy lighting himself on fire on a plane is the best the terrorists can do, isn't that a victory for the war on terror? It's inevitable terrorists will kill some people as there are just too many ways to do it that can't be prevented. Does profiling prevent a terrorist from sitting at the end of a runway and shooting down a plane with an RPG? Or how about walking onto a public train in any major U.S. city. We have all noticed areas of exposure in every day life, but the focus continues to be on aviation security. We are once again reacting, and in my opinion, need to do more at addressing the root cause of why terrorists want to kill innocent people. Perhaps this is the price we pay for meddling in other people's affairs?
Those that wish to attack and murder people in the west are only a small, albeit, dangerous fringe. We still have many more Muslim friends than enemies, but begininng profiling is a sure way to reverse that ratio.
I am a 57 yr old woman, well past my physical prime and don’t relish the thought of a full body scan. But, if it is done discreetly, everyone is screened and we are all a little safer, by all means, please, do it.
It’s done legally, every day, for jury duty during the selection process, employment where necessary for specific jobs and God knows where else.
Why should it be any different for safety?
Profiling? DO IT!
We should profile – but not based on race or creed – rather on where they have been recently, where they are going, and on interviews at the security checks. My wife and I visited our daughter and her husband in Israel when my daugheter was in school there. We were asked questions about why we were going to Israel and about our lives in the USA (Did we belong to a temple? What was the name of our rabbi?, etc.) My daughter's mother-in-law was accompanying us. and she was asked to submit to a more formal interview which lasted about a half hour. She is not Jewish and so perhaps there was some profiling based on religion. But in any event, the interviewing of the passengers is a more effective way to screen them. We need to try to keep the terrorists off the airplanes, rather than trying to keep them from having explosives. If we use body scans for virtual strip searches they will just swallow the explosives or hide them in body cavities.
Yes to profiling, along with other security measures, especially sniffer dogs. Better to be politically incorrect, sniffed of and scanned than blown up at 30,000 feet – it's as simple as that.
Don't be deceived by the stats and use El AL for comparison. They fly into some airports with a fake name to avoid the trouble and If they stop I bet you those stats would change dramatically. And Jack, ALL citizens from the "terrorist" countries get on the Secondary Security Screening Selection list. It is already being implemented in US airports for years. By The way Nigeria is not one of them. To catch all, you got to search all.
We are already profiling, I am an East Indian and was traveling with my wife, a white Hispanic from Colombia. In Colombia I was pulled out of the line and was told to go with an agent where I was searched and asked a lot of questions. I am an intelligent citizens of the United States and felt I was poorly humiliated. Also in Houston, the same process happened again, is it because I have a middle eastern look? my wife was never asked any question and I said to myself " probably I shouldnt travel again"".
no, and your tirade about profiling is irrational and goofy. Let's look at a few facts first .. and we won't even mention nobody is paying attention to the healthcare hijacking we are currently experiencing, but i'll leave that debate to the conspiracy theorists.
Perhaps it is time Obama dial up his old pal the Rev wright to talk about why the "terrorists" hate us. Next would it not make 'common sense' to remedy the reasons why ? Everytime a alleged terrorist event occurs we immediately defer to Isreals security measures ... Why do they need umm??
Maybe the next step is nobody fly ..
Require airlines to allow 1 free checked bag and to feed passengers, and severely limit carry on items. Any carry ons, should be thoroughly checked – scanned, screened, searched and tested – and thoroughly screen passengers -all of them. Profiling only works if they fit the profile. It's a start but if you just screen everyone there won't be a problem, except for the lines. People will gripe but they will get over it.
yes–it is about security. if we were in the Indian wars would it make sense to screen Indians???The Oklahoma bombing would not fit but you have to go with the highest percentages. If someone is innocent who cares–if they have cameras at intersections who cares if you obey the law? IT IS TIME THE MAJORITY GETS PROTECTION.
Of course profiling should be done. No one named Barack HUSSEIN Obama shoud ever be allowed to run for public office in the United States, unless it is a state job in Hawaii.
I wonder why US gives visas to anyone from a muslim countries like Pakistan or Sauid Arabia with radical and hostile views against US. State Dept should stop givings any more visas and cancel the existing ones. That would stop all of these terrorists from comming here and the question of profiling would not even come.
What ever happened to obtaining a VISA from our State Dept. to enter this country? Security clearance before ticketing and before admission. Profiling?? If we look to profiling to screen passengers, President BHO would probably fit the ethnic, cultural, and religious profile of a "do not fly".
No, it is not. That is a very stupid idea. Al-queda and their allies would like that we would be aggravating innocent muslims and presenting a highly predictable model of what NOT to look like when going for their next 9/11 superdestructive terror attack.
If you look into the history of recent attacks you'll find one staged by a woman from Belgium who converted to Islam from Catholism. You'll also find the American Al-Queda member who is still at large and looks very white bread American. Also, you'll find the African American men who were arrested in Pakistan on suspicion of working with Al-Queda.
All of them would NOT be screened if you used profiling.
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