FROM CNN's Jack Cafferty:
It may not have been pushing the panic button but it was close.
President Obama summoned the Senate Democrats to the White House in a last ditch effort to get something they can call health care reform through the Senate without being embarrassed.
The president was expected to characterize this as the "last chance" to pass comprehensive reform. It's yet to be determined if it's either comprehensive or actual reform.
The Senate is racing to pass this thing by Christmas - whatever it is. The problem is they need 60 votes, and with Democrats, that means they have 60 opinions.
The biggest obstacle has been Senator Joe Lieberman of Connecticut - an independent who caucuses with the Democrats. Lieberman has threatened to join a Republican filibuster if the bill includes either the public option - or a provision allowing people older than 55 to buy into Medicare.
Lieberman couldn't even win his state's Democratic primary last time around - but he's threatening to block the whole enchilada here.
In 2006, Joe Lieberman ranked second in the Senate in the amount of money he took from the insurance industry. His state, Connecticut, has more than 22,000 people who work for health insurance companies.
In the last 10 years, Lieberman has taken more than a million dollars in contributions from insurance companies. One e-mailer called him "Senator Aetna."
Here’s my question to you: Is this the last chance ever for health care reform in the U.S.?
Interested to know which ones made it on air?
I think this is the one and only time for real reform. We have already seen what a Republican majority and a Republican president are willing to do. Health care reform? They could care less how many thousands of Americans die each year, which is why Lieberman's latest stance is so disgusting. He is a political prostitute, selling his vote to those who come to him with the most money and the insurance company pockets are deep. As Liebermans are...
No it's not the last chance and I'm disappointed in the cynical tone of your blog and question. It is comprehensive and it is reform. And though it isn't perfect, it will break a log jam to help contain health care costs and extend coverage. Sen. Lieberman is within his rights to vote his conscience and unless evidence surfaces of unethical behavior, his character shouldn't be maligned.
Jack, I'm not sure if this is the last chance for health reform, but so far it has been the best chance. People are going broke and people are dying. If this problem is not addressed now, then when? When another 46 million Americans become uninsured? When another middle-aged couple loses their home because they have the audacity to get sick? This needs to happen now because people who are desperate don't care about the chances of reform in the future, they might not have one.
C. from Washington writes:
Health care reform? Any bill without a public option is nothing but a guaranteed profit stream for the insurance industry and the American Medical Association. Senator Aetna should be ashamed of himself but I don’t think he is capable of shame.
Jack, I was born and raised in Connecticut and have worked for over 30 years in the insurance or insurance services industry. I lived in Joe Lieberman’s district, and I believe he is one of the most turncoat, self-seeking, bamboozling politicians. He is clearly in the pockets of the health care industry. I can't believe he can assert his view on this bill with a straight face.
"Joe Lieberman is a man who sticks to his principles... Maybe one day he'll tell us what they are." –Stephen Colbert
Last chance? I dont know. I just don't understand why the Dems, who have a majority of votes on the helathcare issue can't push it through with the juice they have. The Repubs basically ignored the Dems when they had the majority, so why are are the Dems running so scared? I am sick of the Dems caving in to the Repubs.
The deficit issue is a red herring as well: The Repubs didn't care when Reagan, or more recently W ran up the deficit (W through his immoral war), they just don't want "big government" involved except when they need to launch a war or invade our privacy. The issue for Repubs is not the deficit it is their anti-families stance on the issue of healthcare, which is guaranteed through our founding documents (remember the right to pursue happiness? How is that possible if we are sick, or so heavily in debt because of healthcare?) This is a moral issue. Please let's return to basic American values, not corporate interests.
Jack, The people who are killing this are the ones who need it most – poor people in places like Mississippi. So yes, I think this is the last chance. Why try to pass reform when the people you are trying to help just kick you in the teeth.
Shame on the puppets of the health insurance industry for blocking a chance for millions of Americans to obtain health care at an affordable price. No competition, no deduction in costs, that is the bottom line. Lieberman is a disgrace to democracy.
These are the wages of sin. Allowing Judas Lieberman (R – Israel) to remain in any level of power has brought this upon us. While Revenge is a dish best served cold, ol' Judas likes his lukewarm. As a result, hard working Americans, those Judas pledged to serve, will have to suffer because of his spite.
NO !!! I would call Lieberman's bluff. Let him stand before the Senate and the Nation and filibuster this bill for as long as it takes. Either he will tire of reading the yellow pages for us or he will insure that when the bill fails this term, 2010 will give us a landslide election return. This will give the Nation a true reform of Healthcare for all and Joe can assume his backbench seat where he belongs !!!
Will a bill be passed? Yes.
Will it be a good bill? Not likely.
Why? Joe Lieberman.
This bought and paid for big insurance mouthpiece has done more damage to this bill than anyone else. Forget the tea baggers, old Joe from CT sandbagged this bill from day one.
Excessive ego, enormous conflicts of interest and a primadonna who needs to be seen important. Dare we say he has a Napolean complex? Yea, except that dictator actually accomplished something in his time.
As one of the uninsured who might have been able to buy into Medicare at 55 I raise my middle finger salute to the most rightfully hated man in America.
Now take away his committee posts and ship him over the aisle where he so rightly belongs.
Everything in Washington is portrayed as a "crisis" that has to be solved now or the sky will fall. They remind me of the the people who walk down the streets with signs declaring "Repent, for the end is near". We had to pass the "stimulus", or the country would collapse (Even though most of the money won't be spent until 2010 or later). We had to pass the bank bailout, or the economy would evaporate(even though most of the banks did not want the government handout and had to be forced to take it). It just seems to me that this govbenment has an incredibly inflated sense of its' own ego, and a total lack of historical perspective.
I am waiting for Sen. Nelson (Ne) to vote yes so I can change from Democrat Party to Independant.
It does not make sense to go into debt farther, pay down debt first and fix Medicare.
I have an idea that may help in the debate concerning health care reform. In a nutshell it can be described as a DEDUCTIBLE that a Health Insurance Co. must satisfy. A hurdle they have to surmount before they are free to make the obscene profits they enjoy; while under the protection of the Anti-Trust exemption, and the millions in subsidies they receive from the Government!
To elaborate, because the Anti-Trust Exemption and Subsidies create such an advantage, the mechanism of a deductible that THEY have to overcome, could be the leverage the consumers need. Because LEVERAGE is truly what this is all about!
This deductible could be based on the percentage of the fake market they operate in, in the states where they do business. And also based on the percentage of business they enjoy overall, nationally.
I am aware that this idea comes at the eleventh hour. And I hope someone reads this message.
I've sent a copy of this message to both the Whitehouse and Senator Schumers office
I certainly don't want anything to do with Obama-Reid-Pelosi care. I work for the government and I don't want these bafoons in DC doing anything with heathcare. I hope it doesn't pass but I'm surprised it hasn't already considering the majorities in both houses. Healthcare needs major overhaul. But adding a 118 new agencies in the fedreal government isn't the answer. And provisions in the house bill that send people to jail for not having insurance is not acceptable. However, neither of our narrow minded major parties can do whats best for the entire country; not just a select few or their biggest campaign contributors or their extremists in the party. The problem is Obama, Reid, and Pelosi ARE the extremists in the Dem party! These dems are going to lose their majority in 2010. The mandate was to fix the economy not turn the US into a socialist nation.
Joe Leiberman is the Alfred E Neuman of politics...he goes whichever way the wind blows. I think this join medicare under 55 was an idea he agreed to a while ago and was actually endorsing. Maybe his insurance cronies whispered in his ear. What a disgusting example of a politician. Why dont we take away his cushy insurance and see which he jumps this time!
It's not the last chance ever, but it's the last chance for a while, which is disappointing.
Even worse, when this half-hearted reform package finally gets pushed through - without any kind of public option at all - it will be missing its most important component. Without a viable public alternative, there will be no real competition and no change in insurance prices. This entire episode has done nothing but teach the insurance companies that they are invincible, and we will all pay for it in the long run.
And when this neutered plan lands with a thud, the GOP will posture and pose, and say "I told you so" despite the fact that their idiocy (with the help of more than a few Democrat corporate shills) is what kept the plan from reaching its full potential to begin with.
What a shame.
The biggest obstacle in passing health care reform is that it requires brains, ethics, and talent – none of which exist in our government.
No, it's the last chance for the U.S..
I am for term limits. lets get the control back to the voters. We are lossing our rights to run our country. Lets make them balance the budgets, without put it on the back of the nations people. We are so in debt to China we can,t move. We need to change things let start with congress
Lieberman cannot even be considered a legislator any more – he is simply a lobbyist for the health insurance industry. He needs to resign and stop lying on his W-2 that he works as a representative of the people of the Connecticut. Reid needs to come up with some hardball politics of his own and get Lieberman in-line or get play the ace card he's been hiding – surely the future of this historic chnge for good does not rest with this lobbyist!
John – Colorado Springs, CO
Howard Dean is exactly right. No public option, it ain't no reform. Try working in the trenches of healthcare for awhile; or better yet, try living with illness and not having the means to pay for treatment. I'm sorry to say, our elected officials are morons. They should all be replaced and forced to live on minimum wage. Of course, we should be sure to make COBRA available for them. Let's see how long they can pay the bill. As for the insurance companies, where the heck are they going to live after they are finished distroying the country? Eventually there will be a tipping point and ain't nobody going to be able to afford them. This is going to be interesting.
Considering how the elsected official is a very far removed creature from the original concept, it is enevitable that down the line there will be the usual new ones that think they know best for the people, and eventually they will get back around to messing with health care... I have lost count of how many times health care has been discussed by politicians in the last 40 years...
Right now Joseph Lieberman basically has more power than President to influence Health Care Reform...if you can call it that. It's more like Health Insurance regulation now... Now it seems He's managed to get all 59 other Democratic senators to acquiesce to his demands. Thanks to his and the Republican efforts , I worry now that the country is going to end up with the country is going to end up with nothing half measures in the legislation that will ultimately fail to satisfy anyone in the end.... and you know the Republicans will jump all over that....
Jack.....indeed this is the last chance this administration has to get this deal done. 60 democrats have 60 different opinions and with Joe Lieberman's irresponsible last minute flip flop the platform this bill is standing on is getting fragile by the minute. If Democrats with a majority in the senate cannot get this through one can imagine that this bill is dead.
Of course it's not the last chance. There will be as many chances as we care to create.
No, only if Joe Lieberman gets his way. Health care reform has to be done which is why even if it gets defeated now it will not go away.
What we need to do is defeat the doctor NO's in congress and just do it.
Ridiculous! Isn't this the United States of America, a government for the people by the people? If health care reform is necessary and it doesn't happen NOW, then won't the people make it to happen later? Thus it cannot be the last chance.
The problem is that it isn't a government by the people and for the people, it's a government by the corporations for the politicians. Maybe it's time to take Jefferson's cue and a revolution is in order.
Not if the American people unite and demand meaningful health insurance reform to end recission, denial based on pre existing condition and affordable coverage for all Americans. Then and only then will our self serving politicians recognize the citizens they represent will no longer tolerate the status quo.
No this is not the last chance ever for heath care reform in the U.S. We need heath care reform but we need to take our time and do it right. We need to involve both sides in the debate and come up with real reform that has bipartisan support, not have the Dems shove they're version down our throats just to get something passed.
I don't see any reason why this would be the last chance unless there is some sort of rule that blocks a continued effort. In fact I believe this is just the first step in a very difficult civil war. Lets face it – – this is about breaking a huge monopoly known as the health insurance industry. It's quite clear now how these corporate parasites own most of Washington and they will lie, cheat, murder and steal to keep their “Death Panels” although it looks like Joe Lieberman has become a one man death panel...
Senator Lieberman–the Republican–He has no shame.Share
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Strip him of any chairmanship position he may have and kick him out of congress all together. He is a Republican disguise as an Independent. Come to think of it I think no political party wants him; why? because he is Judas. I believe he is an opportunist, only interested in himself. I have a few choice words for him–you guess what they are. Change the rules–majority rule–so people like Lieberman cannot hold a Nation hostage.
Perhaps for this year. It can come up again in 2010, especially after the Dems dump Sen. Lieberman. Don't underestimate the will of President Obama.
This just goes to show the ability of America to lead other country's we need to sew our own wheat before we sew others.
It seems that our Senate has been purchased by Big Insurance. I hope the Senate insurance slaves like their new master. I, for one, plan to work very, very hard in the next elections to make certain that these same Senators are fired by the American public.
If Obama lets Lieberman obstruct his dreams to change the country then I really don't understand what kind of President he is or is trying to be. Liberman, the opportunist/obstructionist, will be gone soon from the Senate and the U.S. will have to deal with his pointless vote into posterity.
There is no reform without a public option, at age 55 + I am forced to pay
as much in health care premiums for my wife and myself as I do for federal and state income taxes and this policy has a 1000 dollar individual deductible. We haven't made a claim against the policy in years because we do not incur costs above the deductible, yet the premiums have gone up on average 20% each year! The costs are ridiculous and Lieberman should be ashamed as well as the citizens of Connecticut who elected him
There is so much money at stake and all the fingers in the pie, it may just be the last chance for a long time. It is such a political issue. I agree "JOLE" should some how be held accountable for his latest rogue behavior. We are suppose to have leaders that are team players and are in office for the Americans. What happen? This should not go unnoticed. Denver, CO
This is CRAZY! The majority of this country voted for Barack Obama for President because we wanted change, real change..Why are we having such a hard time getting it? I hear people complaining that health care reform is "being ramed down our throats" (repeating the Sara Palin and Fox News mantra) Thats because their side LOST the election..They are not supposed to be happy..Thats how liberal Democrates and Independents felt for 8 years of the Bush regime as he spent his "political capital" at will.
These people CANNOT be allowed to kill reform no matter how much the scream about...The majority has spoken...isnt that the way Democracy is supposed to work??
It's only the last chance if we don't keep trying.
Lieberman is a disgrace. Every day 120 Americans die due to lack of health care and Joe thinks that's just fine. To him, protecting the insurance companies' lack of competition is more important.
I have taken the pledge to do everything in my power to fight his reelection If he doesn't change his stance. If everyone else would do the same he just might start to think about helping us little old citizens for a change and we just might have a shot at some meaningful reform with a robust public option...God knows we need it.
It might well be the last chance because the USA may cease to exist if the forces against health care are strong enough to block it. These are the same people whose every action is intended to destroy the USA.
Jim, Craig, CO
Doesn't Joe Liebermann bear a strong resemblance to another senator, Senator Palpatine, a.k.a. the evil "Emperor" in Star Wars, and Darth Vader's master??
Joe Lieberman will do anything possible to destroy Obama. I am aware of his Insurance company ties but this smells of something deeper than health reform. Obama's election shook the old guard in Joe and now Joe wants to restore it by killing health care. His disregard for the American people shows what big business has done to progress.
Long Live Joe Lieberman!
We have about as much chance of getting an unbaised health care bill as we have of getting politicians that are not bought and paid for by some financial interest. It's not only Joe L – most everyone has a debt to pay. Some are just more obvious.
I don't like a bill without a public option, so I sincerely hope this bill is defeated, let the insurance companies continue their business as usual, then next time a public option will be more acceptable.
I do feel that this will be the last shot for Health Reform..."thank God"... However, if Obama allows this bill to be passed...it will definitely show how this administration works hafl a**. This is been the main problem of this administration...hurry up and confuse the public
Lieberman "took a million dollars over ten years" from the insurance industry?? Whoo, hoo! Obama took SIXTY million from SEIU in 2008 alone!!
You simply can't understand how terribly embarrassing it is to live in the state of CT and have Joe Lieberman as our senator. The man is bought and paid for by the insurance industry and is willing to kill health care reform for the entire country. And he thinks anybody in this state will vote for him again?
Dear Jack, Of course Lieberman is going to vote the way the big
insurance companies want him to. That's why everyone in congress should be voted out at the next election. And I'm sure that the latest news about cat-scans is just more propoganda from the insurance
companies! Cat scans are rediculously exspensive. And the ins.
cos. don't ever like to pay for them. I myself have had 4 in the last 1.5 years. 2 for Cancer and 2 for Kidney Stones! Anyway, my former employer fired me for the Cancer and cancelled my insurance!
Blue cross just loves him now! Bet he gets a nice Chrismas Card!
Pat Evans Reno, NV.
Jack, Joe Lieberman typifies the two faced politican that Native Americans encoutered when they said " White man speaks with forked tongue." Pete, Las Vegas Nevada
The last best chance ended the second the President, Harry Reid, and Nacy Pelosi decided to weakly give in to conservative pressure. Watering the bill down to please people who would never vote for the bill was stupid and now even GOP Joe Liberman wants it watered down to water. Epic Fail for the Democrats and an sad day for anyone left of moderately right.
This is all about Joe! Not the people, not the country, not the sick, not the poor. Joe has to be sombody so much the he will do anything to get the money to be sombody!! If the adminstration wants their health bill to past all they have to do is give Joe more money that the health care industry does!! What a sick government we have, maybe we can find a cure for our govt also. Poor Joe!!!!
Certainly, this is the last chance in a great while. The Democrats just cant seem to figure out that the one sin the American people cannot forgive is inaction. The Elephant crew has been a demonstrable abomination throughout the last 50 years. They treat ignorance as a down-home virtue and corruption as a right of passage but at least they accomplish their goals. Why don't we outlaw political parties since they are just money laundering for politicians and let these idiot savants stand on their views of the issues without a D or R beside their name and see what they say then.
Horrible bill that is being pushed so that the Dems can say they passed something before Christmas. The CBO hates it... it will be an unmidigated disaster to the quality of our health system. Heres an idea.....have the legislators pass a bill creates a health care system that they must join also... then we will see some decent legislation happening.
I think this is the last chance for health care reform in my lifetime. Why would anybody take on such a task when one senator can veto the President's desires to take political contributions or play out some vindictive personal agenda
No it's not the last chance and I'm disappointed in the cynical tone of your blog and question. It is comprehensive and it is reform. And though it isn't perfect, it will break a log jam to help contain health care costs and extend coverage. Sen. Lieberman is within his rights to vote his conscience and unless evidence surfaces of unethical behavior, his character shouldn't be maligned.
I'm not sure if this is the last chance for health reform, but so far it has been the best chance. People are going broke and people are dying. If this problem is not addressed now, then when? When another 46 million Americans become uninsured? When another middle-aged couple looses their home because they have the audacity to get sick? This needs to happen now because people who are desperate don't care about the chances of reform in the future, they might not have one.
Senator Lieberman represents the rich and corporate America even though he caucuses with Democrats, and he is an embarrassment to the other 49 states of Americans. The Connecticut voters who voted him back in should feel proud since they had chance to get rid of him.
The Insurance Industry and a Republican filibuster, with support from Lieberman, will eventually block any real change in healthcare (public option or 55 year olds in Medicare) unless the Democrats vote for a majority to get it passed.
We can also thank Lieberman and the Republicans for Outsourcing American jobs while passing laws to give tax breaks to the companies outsourcing, for allowing tax-havens outside of America so companies don't pay corporate taxes, for spending a surplus into record deficits before Bush left office, for extravagant CEO wage and bonuses, $4.00 a gallon gas, and the list goes on...so just add blocking healthcare reform to their list of accomplishments !!!
Its time for the Democrats to just vote for a majority and get this healthcare debate behind us and then start work on getting jobs back to America that have been outsourced !!!
No. This is not the last chance for health care reform. It's just the last chance for the Democrats to ram a public health plan down the voters' unwilling throats.
Hopefully, the Democrats will come to their senses, forget the government take-over of health care, and pass the 80-90% of the bill that all (even most Republicans) agree on: health coverage for all, tort reform, no cancellation of insurance due to illness, making insurance available for those with pre-existing conditions, increasing enforcement/prosecutions for health care fraud, etc ....
Bravo, Sen Lieberman for standing up for the rest of us ...
Think this guy is ready to retire...If he causes problems for his donors , Insurance Cos, there might not be a cushy job waiting in 2010 and his wife might lose her position also! Review of his past positions gives to the lie that it is his 'conscience'!
When 70+ religious leaders come out in opposition to his HC stance in his state of Conn –you know something is rotten in Denmark!
This may be the last chance for health care reform, but, those Senators and Congressmen who shoot it down might wonder if the 47 millionwithout health care will remember who they are come election time. It has become increasingly clear that the Government does not work for everyday people.
Senator Reid should let the Health Care Reform Bill come to a vote: 1 Bill with a public option, and another Bill that includes the Medi-Care buy-in. Let the votes fall where they may. That way there is a CLEAR RECORD of who supports comprehensive health care reform, and who doesn't.........
First, it is the banks scrambling to repay TARP funds to avoid being held accountable for their lack of integrity and shady practices..'
Now it's one or more Senators openly for sale to the insurance lobbies to block healthcare reform.
When will our congress put America first and have the integrity to "do what is best for Americans" Our founding fathers would hang their heads in shame at what our congress and government has become. A pit full of vipers, snakes and cheats.
As an independant voter, I truly believe that Sen. Lieberman should be sent to Guantanamo Bay for a Winter vacation.
Health care reform will not be the label that I would put on what the Senate is trying to pass now. With no public option, where is the incentive for insurance companies to provide us with competitive rates for premiums and adequate coverage. With no public option, the people who do not get insurance through their employers, are still in a bind. This bill is a farce and the Democrats have caved to special interest groups and the Republicans. This cannot be the last chance for health care reform because too many people are depending on a solution.
Pass something, anything and move on to the next issue. Hopefully voters will forget this debacle by November.
I live in CT and I am not at all surprised that Lieberman received mega dollars from the insurance companies in CT. If Washington ever starts discussing the tax on fuel again, look Lieberman up again.....I'm sure you'll find he also received mega dollars from fuel companies....our fuel taxes (along with every other tax imaginable) are the highest in the nation, and we are only 3 hours from the largest bulk fuel tank field in the USA. Corruption unfortunately lives on at the expense of the working class.
It is people like Lieberman, who care more about themselves and who pays them than they do for the thousands who are suffering as victims of the"health insurance industry"... the only industry that produces nothing... but misery and profit. It is especially disgusting for me because I am Jewish, and he is giving all of us a bad name. As far as I am concerned, given his betrayal of public trust, he can have the cell next to Maddoff.
It should be a "CRIME" for "ANY" politicians to accept money from any corporations with "Deep Pockets". "What A Shame America",
hell no ,if by chance Obama doesn't get it through,i think it should be put on a ballet in the next general election.Only then will we know the truth as to how the american people really feel-thank you Terry,Callaway Maryland
We will have a better health care bill for sure but we won`t have a best health care bill because of people like JOKER LIEBERMAN who does not fight for the people but for money that he has been getting from inssurance company. And I wish I had the opportunity to have JOKER LIEBERMAN looking me in the eyes and answer some questions that I have for him.
This probably is the last chance any politician would take the chance (read: have the courage) to be connected with such an endeavor. As for me, it won't matter. I'm capable of covering myself. But with medical costs and greed escalating out of control, my grandchildren and yours will be the ones who will pay dearly for coverage...if they can even qualify for care. Our congress is un-empathetic, greedy, self serving and totally incompetent to represent us. Their privileged position will assure that their grandchildren will receive the healthcare available at some cost (and deplete their fortunes earned by selling their votes.
We should vote them all out of office, both parties and start with the crook Lieberman.
Senator Lierberman campaigned saying he was in favor of the buy in option for Medicare and against the public option. The truth has now shown how dishonest he is to his supporters in Conneticut.
No, this is Not our last best opportunity for Health Care improvement.
Let's let our Senators vote and then target all the Congressmen that put Insurance Companies ahead of better public health care options.
President Obama should Not put insurance companies ahead of the public's interest. This is one defeat that would clearly be a win for him.
Expanding a broken system before you fix it only expands the problem.
Mandatory insurance for 32 million people would be the single largest
christmas present ever given to private companies.
Cut gongress salery to $50,000.00 and make them buy there on Ins. and I think they would pass health care .
Oh, Jack, how naive can you be? Politicians and pundits are always saying, "this is our last/best/only chance to do," everything. If we don't deal with the health care crisis now, it will just become a bigger and bigger problem until we are forced to do something about it. The real question is just how bad will it have to get before the cowards and thieves in elected office put aside their petty squabbles and lobbying dollars to do what they are there to do: serve the people. To that, sadly, I think the answer is that it will have to be near-Armageddon... and maybe you can scratch the 'near'.
It’s the last effort only for a decade or two, Jack. By that time, so many Americans will be going bankrupt paying for healthcare, even the bought-off Congress will have to get serious. Whoever is President as well. The three-decade-long pauperization—by way of diminishing real wages and salaries along with the cost of healthcare insurance—of working America can continue for only so long before the economy collapses entirely.
I’m not sure what you call Joe Lieberman. Says just months ago he supports medicare buy in, now he opposes it. He’s doing it for the attention. Maybe he suffers from little man syndrome or was not given enough attention as a child, but Joe it’s time for you to grow up and be a big boy. Too many people are suffering for you to continue playing your game. Forget the Christmas deadline, the other 59 democrats should hold out and have all those with out insurance come sit outside Lieberman’s house … and maybe do it to a few republicans. And simply say, we need a public option, and we’ll sit here until we get it! Since when do you let 41 out of 59 votes control the show in politics! Time for democrats t lay the blame at the doorstep of Joe Lieberman and his heartless friends who enjoy their own healthcare plan while those around them suffer! What a shame.
I was born and raised in CT and have worked for over 30 years in the insurance or insurance services industry. I lived in Joe Lieberman district. I believe Joe Lieberman is one of the most turncoat, self seeking, bamboozling politician in congress. He clearly in the pockets of the health care and insurance industry lobbyist. I can't believe he can assert his view on this bill with a straight face.
It's a start. If Obama didn't give these lawmakers a dead line it would never happen. He probably didn't expect to get 100% either. There will be plenty of time to add and adjust the health care issue. We still have a 35 year old daughter that's had health issues and is discriminated against when she applies for work. This is another dark secret of the Insurance world that needs to be changed. Maybe Lieberman should have thought about the deficit when he voted for the trillion dollar war.
Our government is so inept, it only takes one Senator to hold the entire Senate hostage. It is obvious Congress is not looking out for country, but their own little greedy self. No wonder we are in such bad shape. They should be ashamed of themselves. I'm sure in 2010 alot of the current Senators will be a thing of the past.
Any legislation that does not address the elephant in the room, the cost of healthcare, should be defeated.
Public Option and Medicare for 55-plus just brings more people into a system that does not pay their fair share and shifts a portion of the cost to the private sector. Unsustainable.
Cost Transparency, true Cost transparency, will allow market forces to take effect. Get to the true cost and then everyone pays that amount; insured, uninsured, Medicare, Medicaid and Tricare.
Last chance – not at all – as it should be – but next time we try let's focus on reforming the insurance model and the delivery system of both care and insurance benefits. The current porposal is a political attempt to aggrandize/socialize power and control – not all that bad except socialism eventually runs out of other peoples money (M. Thatcher, 1983) and the current U.S. of A. is already out of yours, mine, and our money ( see National Debt ) – Insurance companies need to be forced into free market competition, the uninsurable need access to support ( government type – because no viable insurance can exist if the insured is allowed to have a catastrophe before acquiring the insurance/ and paying premiums), the whole country must participate for leveling out expenses/risks) – the young and or affluent can not ride their gamble of enjoying perfect accident free health just because they are young on the backs of all the insureds -but please let's not let the political bureaucracy that has already underestimated/subsequently bankrupted the current MEDICAR / MEDICAID System have a do over – Washington has already proven their incompetence – Socialistic/Progressive concepts understand spreading the wealth – they just don't know how to create it!
Are you serious? Why would it be the last chance – is the world going to end tomorrow? It might be the last chance for democrats to have any credibility in the 2010 election year. Perhaps that's what he means by last chance.
Last chance? Without the public option, there will not be major health reform. And I can't believe that even Obama acceded to that. And now, the Dems even give up on the Medicare reform for those in their mide- to late 50s. The main villain, though, is Joe Lieberman. He'll be the major cause for the failure of this country to have any sort of major health reform. What a shame.
Time to ignore Lieberman . The democrats need to win the 60 votes from democrats or else remember who voted against and VOTE THEM OUT! This is a time for compromise, we don't need progressives refusing to vote for it because its not good enough, and we don't need blue dogs voting against because of selfish motives. This might be the last chance America gets for health reform for a very long time. Whose going to be responsible for Americans not having health care because of pre- existing conditions or because of premiums rising so high we cant afford it ? Might not be perfect but this is the first time we have come this close. Perfection can come later.
If I were Reid, I would get the Democrats to Rally around the idea of making the Republicans Filibuster, throughout the whole Christmas holiday and into January. Make sure they keep a quarum, keep the senate open as much as possible. Do whatever it takes to show they will not be bullied. It would take a lot of motivating the Dems to keep them there and not folding, but I think if they could hold together, the GOP would start to work toward something that is fair, and not be against everything.
This is all you need to know about Joe:
In 2006, Joe Lieberman ranked second in the Senate in the amount of money he took from the insurance industry. His state, Connecticut, has more than 22,000 people who work for health insurance companies.
In the last 10 years, Lieberman has taken more than a million dollars in contributions from insurance companies. One e-mailer called him "Senator Aetna."
How can this "man" for whom i knocked upon doors for, hold up quality care for those in need. "Joe, the D's took you back in, when in reality you are what you showed during your speech in St Paul.
As they say in the land of hoops~~~hey ,hey, goodbye!!!!!! Sarah has finally found a friend who once upon a time had crediblity.
People outta to pay attention to the another issue as well. Not only does Joe Lieberman work for the Insurance Companies, he works for John McCain too. Its easy to put together. He voted for McCain for President, after being kicked out of the Democratic Party. This guy and John McCain has a serious Vandetta out for the President Obama and the Party, and their willing to derail any, and every thing put for by the President and his party. Its just not coming out their mouth publicly, who know, secretly.
Joe Lieberman should be ashamed of himself. There is a big conflict of interest there with him being the recipient of $$$ from the insurance industry. Also, he is only staying a democrat so he can derail anything democrats want to do to help the less fortunate of our country. There are so many people 55 – 62 who do not have one bit of health insurance (my mother-in-law is included) and so what happens? She doesn't go to the doctor for something minor and then something major ends up happening. HELLO LIEBERMAN . . . we are still going to be paying for these people one way or another. They will end up in the emergency room and the hospital will "never" get paid.
For those people who are wondering if Joe Lieberman can sleep at night . . . I would say . . . . I am sure Mr. Aetna sleeps like a baby!
I believe that Joe Lieberman is the perfect reason there should be term limits for members of the US Senate. His head is so far up that
place on his body where the sun does not shine that he thinks that he alone knows what is best for 300 milliaon americans regarding health care. Give me a break. Let him try to geat a real job where he has to EARN a real living instead of peadilng his influence where he has established a safe haven. The pomposity of he and the other LONG
time senators is beyonf belief.
We pride ourselves by saying we have a representative government, but it is a farce! The Senate is the farthest thing away from being representative there is. Hence We have a few Senators from the least populated states calling the shots on legislation. All the corporations have to do to stop any reforms being passed is to buy up a few of those Senators and you get the results we are witnessing today with Sen. Leibermann. Bought and paid for and obeying orders.
I don't think it's the last chance to pass H C reform, that's the H C industry is fighting for in the long run, it's the last chance to pass it this year...which is what the republicans are aiming for in the short term, as die hard capitolists take every opportunity to make Obama look like he is ineffective as a leader. I pray healthcare reform will be revisited next congress and that instead of a public option we get Universal Health Care, something the rest of us to look forward to after all is said and done.
Jack: I have been thinking about this a lot today. To answer your question, yes I think it is America's last chance for any type of health reform. Joe Lieberman is a poor representation of what a U.S. Senator should be. He is a traitor. He and his wife are prostitutes for the insurance companies, inasmuch as they lined their pockets with money from those companies. As long as someone with no morals sits in the Senate as long as Lieberman has, we are finished as a nation. Joe Lieberman is a first class scumbag, he should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. And Jack, I usually do not use that kind of language. But as u can see I am very angry!
This bill will destroy health care and jobs. We must kill the bill.
When a political, Joe Lieberman for instance, takes money from a special interest in exchange for political favors, why isn't it called a bribe? I'm sure Aetna and the rest don't make campaign contributions in order to fulfill their civic duty.
If the bill doesn't pass, it will show the rest of the First World how corrupt and greedy the U.S. Government is, and how stupid most citizens are.
No it should not and will not be the last try for Healthcare Reform. IMr. Lieberman obviously wants a lot of attention whether it be good or bad. If he only knew the pain and suffering he was causing so many people by his selfishness. His behavior is a disgrace to his jewish heritage. He has proven that he can be bought by corporate greed. However, what goes around comes around. He himself has the best healthcare but.....someday he will fall ill and maybe he will learn what pain is all about. Hopefully!!
No duh! Why did it take so long for anyone to realize Joe Lieberman is owned by the health insurance industry. I admit, I worked for 29 years in the health insurance field, billing, appealling and collecting, so I did not even have to give a second thought. Joe Lieberman seems to crave attention and uses oppositional behavior to get it but this time, he's collecting to misbehave. Joe, remember that even though Connecticutt makes so much money in the insurance industry you are limited to that state alone. No one else would like to have you represent them.
I have no respect for any politician that has sold his/her soul for a few coins and fails to adhere to the wishes of America. I view them as traitors that should be dealt with according to federal law. Is this our last chance, probably not, but not until we America, take back our country and force out all the corruption both within the government(s) and corporate America.
"For those who fight for it, life has a flavor the protected never know." I know that flavor politician, do you? Better yet, do you even care?
It's a sad a in America Jack. This is no longer a Government by the people for the people. It's a government by the special interest groups for the large companies. If the american people didn't get it by now after this whole mess in the financial (wall st) colapse we never will. They the lobbiest have to be celebrating tonight. This is the sure death of our country as we know it. We bail them out and they still screw us. Yep, a sad day.
Healthcare reform will be passed and signed by Obama probably in the first quarter of next year after some of the most dangerous portions of the current bill are eliminated e.g. public options and other good additions are made e.g. the Democratic support for allowing drug purchases from other countries. The need for substantive reform without creating a further bankrupt and totalitarian system is recognized by both parties despite the anger and contention. Lieberman represents the thinking of a number of Democrats, as well as Republicans. He just has the political guts to say so and take the lead.
What a crock, reform my butt. Being held hostage by a bought and paid for independent (independent of what).....term limits and reform. Dems don't wimp out!!!!
Thank you for for shining some light on the likely monetary motivation for Lieberman's appalling behavior. I wish that CNN would do a full exposé on Lieberman and any other legislators who are getting substantial sums of money from the insurance companies.
Sadly, this is probably our last chance for health reform of any sort in this country. If the Democrats fail, the Republicans who destroyed the Clinton health initiative (and who clearly don't care about the well-being of the middle-class Amercians – let alone the poor) will gain seats in the next election .
I had been wondering for quite some time how much money Lieberman was getting from the insurance industry
Lieberman's behavior is simply appalling.
You call this a last chance? As a Canadian, the American health care proposed reforms looks like an incomprehensible hodge-podge to me. Why don't you say it like it is; namely that it is about the wealthy people who are perfectly happy the way it is right now, versus the poorer people who just can't afford proper health care. Health care should be a universal right, not a privilege for the well-off. Our system in Canada works just fine and the super-wealthy can fly off to their fancy clinics if they want to. Capitalism works just fine but leave health care out of this system.
Of course the insurance companies millions of dollars in political contributions helped Joe Lieberman destroy the low cost affordable public option insurance plan which I could afford to pay out of my pocket.
Of course Joe lieberman let the millions of dollars he recieved from the insurance companies be his most powerful motive to take away a Low Cost insurance plan.
Of course Joe Lieberman put a smile on the insurance companies CEO's and their Republican friends.
As usual, Joe Lieberman made the deciding vote that keeps medical health insurance for someone like me, a dream that will never come true.
I guess we will just have to continue with, Insurance companies denying those of us with pre-existing conditions any insurance coverage.
And the Insurance companies will just charge us a lot more than we can afford, so we cannot have what we can Not afford. More trips to the ER. Guess those of you with medical health insurance will just have to pay for my ER visits since Joe Lieberman destroyed the affordable public option insurance.
Then of course the insurance Companies will keep dropping termonoly ill patients in the middle of their care out of greed.
And Still we will see the insurance companies denying that one treatment that could save the life of the patient out of greed.
Isn't life without the Affordable Public Option insurance just dandy?
At last we discover the real visage of Mr.Lieberman. He is clearly defending the interest of insurance companies. He has never been a democrate neither a truly democratic representative of his constituents. It is about time that the real interest of the nation that is the People of the USA be taken in consideration before any private corporation's interest...We know what happened with our banks...The real debate to come will be about to know if our government should focus its efforts and budgets helping privately held companies or simply the entire country?
Liberman on the take and all the steeling going on from goverment programs . People have no faith in our system anymore. I'm and old retired guy who knows were in trouble. Joe's a minor problem and he's silly but I aint laughing.
I don't think that is the last chance for the health care bill, but it is for Lieberman.
Since the proposed bills really do not do much to "reform" the health care system where a few incremental changes can do the most good (no tort reform? really?), I don't see how you can call this the "last chance." If this bill were to fail and then they started over with something moderate and sensible, then we truly would have a good chance for real reform!
"Last Chance" what a joke!!!!!!What is currently being considered is not health care reform but health insurance reform. It is just like the TARP program that gave billions of dollars to the biggest banks with very little insistence that these institutions use this taxpayer infusion of money to help the very people who supplied the funds. This is the same thing: As far as I'm concerned they have just wrapped up the working American public as a Christmas present for the insurance industry with very little insistence that they stop doing the immoral things that they have been doing. Even the little change-the 55 eligiblity for medicare benefits is about to be off the table thanks to a man that should not have any voice with the Democrats at all-Joe Liberman. WIth things like this talk of last chances seems ridiculous-there is no chance.
Hurry up and pass the bill...... I can't wait to see Americans reaching for pliers to pull their own bad teeth out, as the National Health System is forcing the Brits to do. The ignorance of vast swaths of the American Public is astounding, and the Democrat Party surely knows how to take advantage of it. America, prepare to bend over and smile.... oops, never mind.
Joe L is a cowardly man who couldnt even get a democratic vote in his own state. He just killed the main thrust of this health bill for millions of people. He will be hated forever by many americans where ever he goes. I am sure he has the best health insurance in the world.
It's not the last chance for healthcare reform if we can get lobby and campaign fund reform. Looks like it might be the last chance now that I think about it.
How many times are the Democrats going to let this guy kick sand in their face. They should strip him of his commitee chairmanships. I still say: Change the rules in the Senate like the Republicans did when they wanted to pass the Bush tax cuts and then they won't need this slug.. Lieberman should put a sign on his office door that says. For sale to the highest bidder.
Not at all Jack. In my view it does clearly show what Senator Lieberman supports. The Insurance Companies! It's pathetically obvious. What constructive ideas, if any, does Mr. Lieberman have to offer now? Mr. Lieberman would serve the country well if he would just call it a day and retire. Perhaps, the good people of Connecticut will do that for the country in his next senatorial campaign.
I shutter to think that I voted for Lieberman when he ran for vice President with Gore. Liberman, and Boehner are so blinded by their hatred for Obama that the average person that needs health care reform does not stand a chance.
I have a question without a public option, no medicare reform and i think they said 24million people are still gonna be without healthcare what in the heck is in this bill that needs to be passed? If someone could answer this logically please let me know
It would pass in a minute if the media would help. Run every representatives name across our TV screens 24/7 who has accepted Insurance contributions and the dollar amount. How can we the REAL taxpayers have health care reform when the rich grease the palms of the representatives to keep us in the poor house.
Every month my health insurance is taken out of my Social Security this year my Social security check will go down $55 due to insurance raising costs, I figure at the same rate of increase I will have to owe Social security each month to keep my Medicare and supplement If it raises at this rate each year. .
Run the names and amounts accepted from our Representatives from insurance companies until health care reform passes. Simple as that.
Your numbers on Medicare scams in Dade County astounded me. I'd be curious to in know what that statistic would be in Jersey. I 'heard' Ocean / Monmouth counties are second to Dade County in questionable Medicare practices . Cleaning it up and putting that money back into the program could just possibly eliminate the threat of losing it.
I agree with VG on Lieberman 110% he is an opportunist, only interested in himself. He is the one's Nation hostage on Healthcare. Shame on Lieberman & Shame on Senat Democrats keep him on chairmanship position. Most of all shame people of Cannecticut, Should recall his Senat seat ASAP.
Senator Joe Lieberman is nothing but a Judas to all who granted him a vote. B from Nebaska
Three things need to happen:
1. Cost Transparency
2. Tort Reform
3. National Wellness Program
1. Get to the true cost and everyone pays that amount. No special 'deals' for Medicare/Tri-care and Medicaid.
2. Tort reform to diminish the cost of providing health care.
3. America is out-of-shape and fat. Have Jillian and Bob appointed National Fitness Czars and whip us into a lean, mean fighting machine.
They will end up with no Public Opton, no extension on Medicare and Medicaid....BUT DEMOCRATS DON'T CARE.
THIS IS ALL ABOUT CONTROL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
When this piece of crap is passed, the goal should be to repeal it come late 2010. A mess is being created that will take 50 yrs to correct. Yes, were WERE democrats but now think they are crooked, and liars.
This is the best chance at insurance coverage reform that we will have for a long time. The Senate's 60 vote rule is ridiculous and makes paralysis on legislation its modus operandi. That's why people are so fed up with them.
I well recall when Lieberman was called Loserman by the Repugs when he was Gore's running mate in 2000. I understood why. he's still around, mucking up progress. But isn't it great that every big corporation has their very own senator? Mitch McConnell, Senator From Tobacco. Joe Lieberman, Senator From Insurance. Big Sugar, Pharma, Corn, and so on have their own guy or girl to do their bidding when needed.
Where's my guy?
Health Reform now or in the near future is inevitable. I work in the health care field and the is one virtually unanimous opinion among my co-workers: The current health care system is un sustainable. It costs too much , has the potential to bancrupt the country, and leaves many hard working citizens without access to basic, preventative health care. The republicans have voted against vitually every piece of social legislation passed in the last 50 years citing high cost and potential for fraud, abuse, and cost over runs. Such abuse does't seem to bother them when the military, federal construction projects, or private enterprise steal billions of dollars. Count on no help from the Repubs in voting for any health reform that isn't an insurance company give away.
The problem is that they are all grandfathered into existing government programs. And I do mean grandfathered. They're all old and not stuck with Medicare and the dumb donut hole. Give old Joe and his buddies a taste of our medicine (or lack there of) and see how they change their votes.
The last chance for health care reform? Of course....until next time. Last chance? Don't be silly.
Why are we in such a hurry to pass a bill...any bill as long as one gets passed. Why not take the time necessary to make a bill that actually helps rather than passing any bill just for the sake of passing one. It defies logic and it's nothing more than politics so Obama can say he passed a health care bill.
Senator Lieberman presumably never intended to vote for any health care reform that threatened the hefty profit margin of health care insurance companies. If the president and his supporters in Congress can find a way to pass this health care reform bill INCLUDING THE PUBLIC OPTION they should do so. Between the shenanigans of the insurance companies, the Republican party and the pseudo-support of Congressional members who coyly pretended to be interested in the issue of health reform, we are actually worse off than we were before. Most Americans are thoroughly confused about what it would mean for them if for-profit health insurance companies actually had serious competition. Every time Congress passes "entitlement" provisions without curbing how much we're going to have to pay to providers, economic solvency for the national budget takes a serious hit. If we don't fix this, Medicare, Social Security and every other provision for health and welfare in this country will be bankrupt in the very near future. I hope that President Obama can tell the Democratic members of Congress that standing together and supporting the only rational bill-that of actual reform including the public option-is the only way to save their communal bacon. Otherwise, we're going back to same cynical politics that we had with Bush and Company and our future is toast.
Joe Liberman has single handedly destroyed any chance for this congress and administration to pass a meaningful health care reform bill with a public option. Liberman, the weasel, is the primere lobyist for the insurance industry and he cares more about the welfare of corporate America than he does for the American people. Perhaps the electorate in Connecticuit will see him as he is and remove him from office in four more years. In the meantime the Democrats should remove him as the chair of the Homeland Security Committee and strip his seniority back to the two years he has served as an independent. Any health care bill that passes now will be less valuable than Bush's "No Child Left Behind" which was worthless.
Lieberman is on a mission (from the knesset?). Insure a one-term presidency for Obama.....doesn't like his middle name.
Jack, I think Senator Lieberman just wants to remind everyone that he's still around.
We get it, Joe, you were almost the vice president nearly a decade ago...but that doesn't mean that you should be pulling stuff like this every single year just to get your face back on the news networks.
Now, unless for some reason you decide to get off your fanny and do the thing that almost every Conneticutian has been writing to your office, asking you to do (including my sister and her husband), and help PASS. THIS. BILL, then I surely don't want to hear anything else about you.
'Cause nobody likes you.
Even in Iowa.
We are slowly turning into a third world country. What do these politicians not understand about the fact you can't spend this kind of money when WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.
They setup a phoney budget wherein they collect taxes for five yrs and most of the healthcare goes into effect in 5 yrs....how dirty and low can they be.
Jack–If Sen.Joe the bummer keeps this bill from passing I hope the souls of every person who dies or goes broke due to their being uninsured will haunt him till the old miserable egotist cashs his last insurance co.check.
The health care issue has been a problem for years and yet the Republicans in power from 2000 to 2008 did nothing. While the Republicans have some ideas with merit,they have done little to help the cause of health insurance reform and continue to simply obstruct Democratic efforts. There should be no talk of shoving this version down anyone's throat. Everyone has had an opportunity to have their say. The President always wanted this to be a bipartisan effort. Move this through Congress and get something positive accomplished.
So called "Pro-lifers" – where are you? Live people are dying for heavens sake! Urge your representatives to get on board with reform.
Joe Lieberman, I don't know where you stand anymore. How do you go from Al Gore's VP choice to Democratic obstructionist?
The bill may not be perfect and there is no reason the laws can't continue to evolve over time.
You can't just blame him only. I think it is fair to say the lazy Republican who has been challenged by the president to be multitask are complaining too much to work. Just blame them. I see them as just a crowd not elected officials who has their own stand. Don't you remember McCain saying "I sleep and wake cry as child" after the election. No wonder if we see them crying all over the media. I hated to watch any republican speaking on any media. How boring is to be around a noiseeee baby. The country is in two war, the economy is in crises ..... but they complain too much to work. They are elected to serve the people to sacrify during such a time, not to "Sleep and wake and cry as McCain".
The problem is not limited to Lieberman. Ben Nelson is also a serious hindrance. Being from Nebraska and calling hlimself a Democrat, the only way Nelson can get re-elected is to act , and vote, like a Repub. Nelson needs to get honest enough to change parties. Should he decide to run for re-election in 2012, he should receive absolutely zero help from the Democratic party. As a former resident of Nebraska, I helped with Nelson's 2006 campaign. I regret having done so. He's a profound disappointment.
Overland Park, KS
Hi Jack, the question should be how much money do you have? Unless profit is taken out of health care, SOS. Nothing moves or changes without profit in mind. I see history repeating itself, sooner than later. Nice talking to you.
Eventually even his constituents will tire of Herr Lieberman's obstructionism and replace him with a progressive reformer. Then the Democrats will get their ducks in a row for real change
The best thing that President Obama could do for this nation is to bring the Presidential Fitness Council back to life. He and Michelle are excellent role models and could have a significant impact on the young and not-so-young.
Americans need to lose the weight, excersise more and proper nutrition. This alone will save the country Billions in health care costs. It all starts with obesity in America.
Unless the democrats will ever get 70 + seats in the senate I don't see how this issues will ever be taken up again. Even then insurance companies will manage to corrupt many of them anyway. I can't believe that no one single republican senator cares that 45 millions people can't afford basic insurance when they live the life of kings. What have the republicans ever done for the working class?
The good thing about this new bill is that it does nothing for seniors. My hope is they they will get angry and since they are the ones who really vote they will demand serious changes in the future. If we did not have Medicare in 70's we would have universal care by now.
I certainly hope this is the last chance. The American people just don't want this new big government waste of money.
When are Americans going to admit that the "Rat's are guarding the CHEESE". The health care corporations don't care about anything but the fat bottom line and they don't care who they have to hurt, buy or deceive to acheive it. Call your representatives NOW and insist on the public option until we get the commercial healthcare industry under control!
As a registered Democrat, not only do I thing this will be the last chance to pass health care reform that will bring down premium cost. I think the bill should be killed. Why should a bill be passed, just to give the insurance companies more money and customers. Everyone talks about how the insurance companies are so unfare to the American people, but this bill is going to hand them 30 million new customers to treat poorly. What ever the outcome of this bill is, if Joe Lieberman is not stripped of his chairmanship position, "I WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR SPINLESS DEMS IN THE NEXT ELECTION!!"
I do think this is the last chance for reform. This can already be chalked up as a victory for the health care industry thanks to Lieberman. It has been reported that a significant majority supports public option in his state. If true, then it is obvious who he represents.
I don't know why anybody supports a for profit distribution of health care. It is obvious to me that appropriate health care and for profit distribution of the money pool (insurance) are mutually exclusive concepts.
In Canada it is so much more simpler the way it is ...
Of course we have universal health care for the last 40 years or so .I was operated in september for lung cancer and the only thing I had to pay was 37$ for the phone I used for the 12 days I was there ...... I was in intensive care for 3 days and it was 5 star hotel and then on the regular floor also it was great... And I did'nt loose my house because I was sick ....and for our RX the most we can pay is 79$ a month no more then that the rest is paid by the governement universal health care....Why is it that you ...american ...want to pay thousands of $$$$ when you get sick ...I'm just wondering WHY
Probably not. PBS had a special showing Healthcare (national) in five contries and it seemed to work in all of them. it doesn't work here because all politicians, regardless of their party affiliation, are on the take. The current bills being bandied around will NOT lower the cost, will NOT cover the "uninsured' but WILL make everyone's healthcare more expensive and of lower quality. The DEMS want to provide healthcare for all the poeple that vote Democratic and are accustomed to having the govt. take care of them, instead of taking care of themselves. The Repubs are really just beiing obstuctionist, though they do have the chutzpah to call for capping lawsuits (that would save $50B a year. If they would work to reduce costs, instead of tryin gto take over, they might have a chance, but, as long as the bills only take care of the needs of the politicians intead of the needs (and let's not forget the will) of the people, it seems pretty irrelevant.
I am 58 and a 26-year veteran journalist/editor who is now unemployed and whose former employer (Gannett) has tripled the cost of my health insurance, from $169 a month to $501 a month, as of January 1. Though it pains me personally, I hope that Howard Dean can shame the Obama administration into killing the health Insurance bill that has had all teeth threatening the health insurance moguls extracted.
What is killing this is the average Americans in fly over country are mad as hell about more government in our lives. We do not want health care. The polls, which CNN and Mr. Obama cherrished during the elections, also would indicate that this is a financial trainwreck and a direct attack on every American's liberty.
I should not have to pay for health care if I do not want it; nor should I have to pay for someone's elses. It is the pursuit of happiness that is garunteed, along with life and liberty.
Not socialized health care.
Someone talked about brains. Well anyone with a brain can see how well socialized medicine is doing in places like Canada, the United Kingdom, Sweeden, and other socalistic countries in Europe. They flee their country to obtain healthcare here in the United States.
Because we are the best. No one can do what we do. We are superior to every nation on Earth. Instead of feeling guilty and trying to bring us down to their level, we should inspire and bring them up to ours. And if they choose not to, they can go the way of the dinosaurs.
It is galling to watch the White House and senate Democrats kiss up to Joe Lieberman on the off chance that he will vote with them rather than against them. Harry Reid should have told him to shove his vote where the sun don't shine. Who decided that medical insurance had to be a for- profit enterprise? I had to drop my insurance last February when the premiums jumped to more that five hundred dollars a month. Assurant Health did nothing to keep my business because I am over 60 and have high blood pressure. After years of collecting premiums without having to cover a single claim, they were happy to see me go. I'd rather stay without insurance than see our "leaders" slaver and fawn over Joe Lieberman. Stip him of all his priviledges, his committee chairmanships, his parking space, and pull the plug on "The Joe Liberman Show." Only when the lights and cameras are no longer on him wil he realize how unimportant he is.
No, it's not the last chance for health care reform because our current system is UNSUSTAINABLE! It cannot and will not continue as is forever and ever and ever, amen, as some Republicans would like.
I don't blame the President. I blame the Congress, a group of grown men and women who act like kindergartners! They ALL need a "wake-up call" and we're just the people with the ability to give it to them.
I am for a public option, available to everyone if they choose it. Otherwise, you may keep the insurance you now have.
And, if health care reform fails now, God help us all when BCBS or whomever you may have sends those rate increases early in 2010 - we'll all suffer big-time and I, for one, may truly become another of the uninsured!
Just one last note - Joe Lieberman is the scum of the earth! How dare he? I'd really like to meet him face-to-face, but I don't think he'd have the courage to do that with any average American today.
There will always be more chances to pass healthcare. The bigger issue the united states faces is changing the culture of ignorance that has been created in the people. As a Canadian watching your political endevours it is amazing the amount of misinformation that is fed to the people. There have been critisisms that a system like the one in Canada would be to expensive despite the fact that Canada pays less per person for healthcare then the USA does currently. That old people would be left to die, yet Canada has a greater percentage of seniors then the USA and a longer life expectancy, about 3 years more. No one in Canada is refused treatment because our doctors make more money the more treatments they do. Conversley, your doctors make more money by finding ways to deprive treatment. Basically, canadians live longer, healthier, and at a lower cost to the people then do Americans. Yet somehow your people are convinced our system is bad. Your situation will never improve untill you realize that system is set up only to benifit the wealthy and to increase their wealth. If the average American wants a good life they better find a way to create personal wealth, otherwise your system treats you like a peasant.
Why does nayone think this bill will lower health insurance premiums. If you want to lower premiums, you need to lower the underlying expenses. In america, we do not have the stomach to make the hard choices or cut back the phsycian's payment.
I am a independent because the Democrats have no back bone and in the case of Lieberman, common sense. Lieberman is positioning himself for one of two things, a lobbying or consultation job with big insurance or a run at the Republican nomination for president.
This bill has no teeth with out atleast the buy in for seniors, forces people who who cannot afford health care right now to get it and does nothing to control costs. The bottom line , beyond the political sound bites, if we don't pass health reform with a public option with teeth, more Americans will die from insufficient care than died in Desert Storm, 9/11, and so far in both Iraq and Afghanistan combined. Thank you Joe Lieberman for showing everyone what a heartless politician really looks like.
The health reform process seems to be breaking down. Howard Dean is calling on the Senate Democrats to junk the bill. He says giving up the meidcare buy in makes the bill not worth it. Senator Burris (Obama's replacement) says the same thing about the public option.
Obstructionist Senator Liberman sought and found the limelight.
Just when it seemed he had "pulled a Liberman" (blocking, obstructing, demanding his own way or he will take his bat and ball home so no one can play.
Howard Dean says use the house bill and pass it through the use of reconciliation in the Senate. Yes!
This is not about health care. Its about control by the left wing Democrats. I hope Lieberman sticks to his guns and we can reverse all this nonsense with a new Congress in 2010 and a new President in 2012. That's the only hope left for this country.
If it is squashed, the people of this country will hopefully stand up for it! It is disturbing that a man that had to manipulate the system to win his seat is the one holding it up. Basking in the Attention no less! This is exactly why Insurance Companies should not be allowed to contribute to Public Campaigns. Lieberman said it all when he started his comments the past two days with the word "I," he only represents his own interests and those who wrote the fattest checks to his campaign.
Unfortunately, Liebermans behavior is only half as bad as the Republicans, they are the ones that should be ashamed of themselves!
Not the last chance ever... but when almost 60% of Americans polled (latest Rasmussen data) are against this legislation shouldn't the Senate listen to the people who elected them? Vote this mess down and let's clean house and elect people who will truly represent us.
Someone above just wrote this: "Every day 120 Americans die due to lack of health care" ...which is ridiculous. Illness, not lack of health care, is the cause of those deaths. It is not the government's responsibility – nor their business – to provide health care to anyone.
Someone else wrote that "Lieberman is a disgrace to democracy." I'd argue exactly the opposite: Lieberman – whether right or wrong – illustrates why democracy is so great. If you want to talk about a disgrace to democracy, how about the notion of voting along party lines just because they've been drawn?
If Joe Lieberman is so unwilling to budge on his convictions concerning the two healthcare issues he's balking about, and if he really has taken so much money from insurance companies, then VOTE HIM OUT OF OFFICE. Do you really believe he's looking out for the best interests of uninsured/financially strapped folks??? It seems to me the only best interests at stake here to Joe ARE Joe's.
No wonder this guy is acting the way he is. He has taken more money than most americans make in a lifetime. If we have to wait for this guy to vote Democrat, they're gonna have to sit down and wait out forever..
They should have kicked his butt out a long time ago from the Democratic party. This democratic leadership should know better than that.
Jack, while I agree that Lieberman is one of the main obstacles to reform, I have to say I am sorely disappointed in Obama. Rather than stand strong for a public option, he has let the Republicans and Joe Lieberman push him around to the point that is almost riduculous. This is not the man I hoped I had voted for. I hope he finds his cojones before I lose all respect for him!
No,this will not be the last chance for health care reform. Let's take our time and get it right. We are the people who will have to live with the consequenses of this rush,rush monkey business.
My biweekly insurance premium has risen by 44% this new year. This is the largest increase I have ever experienced. How much more will the health insurance industry take from their clients before the clients can not longer afford it?
Did the democrats mention tort reform or buying insurance across state lines yet? My hat is off to Joe. Keep up the good work.
It is absolutely inconceivable that the US is the only Western democracy without universal health care. Can anybody in this country say that with a straight face? And why is it that the only people who are guaranteed their health care without fear of loss of coverage, are the 535 legislators responsible for passing reform? If they didn't have their coverage–boy! would we see a bill passed fast.
We should have massive street demonstrations all over the country to make sure these deaf, dumb and blind politicians finally see the light.
I'm kind of surprised you bring it up. It seems to me that you've played devil's advocate for not reforming health care over the past few months.
I do believe this is it as far as our chances go, but whatever they do will not be sufficient enough to save this nation from the hole people are sinking into due to outrageous bills and having their coverage dropped.
The biggest joke the republicans have played on this nation is to somehow convince the poor and needy to support trying to squash this thing under the guise of 'socialism.' It's laughable to me that these are the very same people who will, at one time, lose their homes or life savings due to an accident or catastrophic illness. It's mind boggling.
Can we make a deal? Since republicans (and Lieberman, the rat) killed any chance at decent health care reform, can we FINALLY reform education?
Clearly this country's number 2 problem (if health care indeed is number 1) is that people are too stupid to support legislation that will actually help them.
Joe LIeberman is an example of what is partly wrong with the system. However, the Democrats need to take this opportunity to abandon an archaic system that is not part of the constitution that requires sixty votes in the Senate to pass anything. The Senate, has become our own House of Lords, allowing the privileged and spoiled brats of the big insurance companies and big pharma to hijack the only chance Americans may have for year to come–to have health care reform. Forget dealing with Lieberman, because there will be many more Liebermans at crucial junctions. Allow the majority of Senators to truly represent the majority's wishes.
If you talk to the ordinary citizen; its cost of medical care and insurance. If you talk to the small business owner; its cost. If you talk to the small business owner; its cost to insure employees. If you talk to the medical practitioner; its cost of malpractice insurance and the worry of being sued. It all comes down to MONEY. Where was the debate on cost reduction? Didn't "We the People" vote for transparency? To me transparency means this: SHOULD ME THE BOOKS! Then, quite simply demand, reduce all costs by 50% or else we will nail you guys with a public option that provides comprehensive health care for all and a 60% reduction in costs. (Bet it will work). If the seven and figure folks cry too much; they can exercise their option to leave the country.
He dragged down the ticket in 2000, giving us Bush for eight long years. Why is he in office Connecticut? He does not remember which party supported him for years until he went AWOL. Joe is a loser. Although I do get good entertainment value watching Jon Stewart imitate him.
There should be no final push for health care reform until the CBO takes a full accounting of the costs of the bill as stands, both the $800 billion on budget, and those pushed off the federal budget and directly onto the taxpayer due to the individual mandate. Using the Massachusetts model as an example, up to 60% of the costs are due to the mandate, which puts the true cost of the bill upwards of $2 trillion, and that's change we can't afford.
It may not be the last chance for healthcare reform but it's the last chance for Joe Lieberman.
Time to pass it....who cares what is in it, it's all for political show anyhow. The nation is bankrupt already, so it matters not. By the time this thing kicks in the world will have pulled away from the dollar and we will be splitting the Union up into quarters. Irrelevant legislation. We have already decided to take the guaranteed failed solution of spending our way out of this problem. Spending with what money? It will matter not before the next election that may not come.
Somehow there will be health care reform. It may lack a public option and early buy in to medicare and it probably will not control insurance company price gouging. But it will likely prohibit exclusion for pre-existing condition. This is progress!! As in the prune commercial, today the pits tomorrow the wrinkles!!
Will Rogers said it all: "I am not a member of an organized political party. I am a Democrat."
I am 30+ years an insurance broker. Health Insurance is NOT an insurance program. Health Care is a Human Right and should be treated as such. The miss application of the legislative process regarding Health Care is a clear indication of how much our legislators love playing politician. The issue of Health Insurance Reform is a non issue as you can not reform something that is by its very nature a misnomer.
Lieberman is a little scum bag, he has a good health plan provided by the American taxpayers, which is in reality a form of public option, stuffs his pockets with money from the insurance lobbyist yet he doesn't want the average american to have any of this. It is my hope that some day the little jerk doesn't have insurance and it cost him ever damn dime he has for doctor bills, and this applies to the other worthless scum bags in congress who are making hundreds of thousands of dollars from the insurance and drug lobbyist, what a damn shame that we don't have a congressman worth crap representing the people.
It's getting a little tiresome to hear people bemoaning the fact that free health care isn't given to them, and how it is their "right." No one has the RIGHT to other people's services without compensation. Rights are, and have always been, rights to action yourself, NOT the services of others. When you claim a right to other people's services without compensation, that has a name – slavery.
I forgot to really mention the Health Insurance Industry. It is one of the MOST regulated industries in the country, and mostly by Federal mandate. Insurance companies MUST have reserves to pay claims, thepublic option will have 565 Washington, DC buffons printing extra money to pay claims. Washington has tehpower to "suggest" that Insurance companies adopt their ideas, but, that would not give them any more control over our lives or guarantee them any more votes. That's why they want the "public option" ...they could care less about the quality of Helathcare we get, as long as they have their CADILLAC coverage and your VOTE.
Fact is, who besides the Dems want this piece of crap they are calling health care reform. How many of you have read this thing? It's bad for everyone. Just so the Dems can save face? Wow!
Each time I pay my monthly 900 dollar health insurance payment I will think of Leiberman and how he screwed the poor people of America.
. Leibermans career is over even Independants cant stand someone like this. The only group that loves him is the insurance companies but they dont vote they just give him more money.
Jobless and over 55
It is most assuredly not the "last chance" ever for health care reform. What it may be is the last chance to create an unconstitutional entitlement program as a solution to health care reform. Those in power put forward that there are only two options for reform: their government-intensive plan, or nothing. This is nothing but a scare tactic designed to deceive the public into supporting what they otherwise would not support. There are *always* more than two options. Ask the Libertarians.
Mr. Cafferty, judging by the wording of his article, seems to think of Mr. Lieberman as an unpopular obstructionist. While he may indeed not have been able to garner the support of Connecticut's far left wing in the primaries, he was obviously capable of garnering the support of the people of CT as a whole.
People really need to start paying attention. Those big, bad, money-hungry, high-profit health insurance companies are in the midst of layoffs because they're struggling to keep up with costs.
It's always easy to single out some group of corporations and blame them for all the problems this country has. It's just not accurate most of the time.
If you think that health insurance companies are the primary cause for the increase in health care costs, then follow your logic... it's doubling every seven years or so... assuming that they start off making 10% profit (which they don't), in order for them to cause the overal cost to double in seven years by themselves... that would require them going up to 110% profit.
Somehow, I think some congressman somewhere would have pointed that statistic out, if it were the case. It's not. They're starting to bleed money.
Yes, it's the last chance. And because it is, it will pass.
This is a huge win for the insurance industry. Joe Lieberman holds the torch for this victory. Joe's chairmanship position must go. Let's no longer be blind, this is a man who stands for the most important republican principal: Corporations have to be protected at all cost. Way to go Joe!!!!
Healthcare reform has the same chance as those that are spending the USA into oblivion! Slim and None. As for Joe you libs counted him out in the last election and he beat the pants off the liberals. Go Joe! I would have loved to see how the 2008 election would have played if McCain had chosen Liberman as his running mate!
Last chance for what? If our politicians can't do as well as Taiwan or Switzerland, who gave all their citizens universal health care in 1994 for 6% and 11% of GDP respectively, we need to start over.
Next time we need real "stakeholders" involved in developing a plan. That would be doctors, patients, nurses, taxpayers, and hospital administrators. By the way, their meetings should be facilitated by Wendell Potter.
Then give this plan to Congress for an up-or-down vote. Perhaps this is something those idiots could handle.
Jack the mob used to say why hire an attorney when you can buy a judge. Then they went legit & said why buy a judge when ya can buy a senator
Making it a mandate to buy healthcare insurance from the existing health insurance companies, with no option, is not reform. Isn't that sweet, trying to give us a snow job before Christmas.
All this bill is, is an attempt to destroy private insurance and have the government futher control our lives.
Jack, why didn't the Democrats save time and money and just let Joe Lieberman, talk about it, write it and command everyone approve it. We could have had this months ago and Joe and the senators could have gotten their payoffs earlier for Christmas.
I once had great universal health care when I worked in Asia. If we don't get a public option, this next election I'll vote with my feet by heading back overseas.
A bill without a public option is like a shoe without sole: A JOKE!
will somebody please wipe that smirk off his face. The people of Conn should tare and feather this man and ship him out of town on a railroad car.The republicans found there clown who will do there bidding
Joe Lieberman is just like Sarah Palin. They will do anything to keep themselves in the news.
The American people must wake up and change the status quo of this once-great nation. If not, then they get everything that they deserve from these greed mongers.
I've never seen so many comments from the left in one place ranting about Lieberman instead of commenting on the question. What is it about you Jack that attracts these nuts?
Don't worry - we'll get another chance. Maybe around the year 2025.
... Except that in the meantime, the health-insurance middlemen will have converted the U.S. economy into a third-world thing so we may need to beg the U.N. and China to pay our bills.
Healthcare reform in America, win or Lose, for both Democrats and Republicans, it's Joe Lieberman, that's why he is an independent.
Joseph Liberman should move to Alaska ... he needs to go home, democrats should just stop being so nice to him- he is Judas!!!
Honestly, there are too many people and too many variables in the health care debate for anything to really improve.
I understand people needing help when there's nothing they can do about their situation. But no way on earth will I ever support a bill that provides a smoking, drinking, party-hardy, grease-bucket shazbot, with the same health benefits as someone who leads a decent, healthy life.
I'm all for equal opportunity, but we already have that. If you think otherwise, you're either stupid, lazy, or completely out of touch with modern society. Get with the program, America.
So to answer your question... there never was a chance, and never will be until we can get the worthless part of our population under control.
Brandon from AK
...for the preface about Senator Lieberman's
connection with the Insurance lobbyist$... and it seems
he has a "hartford" protecting those constituants! And why is Lieberman always popping up , like a jack in th box; is it just to remind us he is still around as a threat to progress?! Some sort of lone
voice for Americans?!
It seems as if he , (Senator), needs a reminder of what Mark Twain
once penned; " No man’s life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session.'
Last chance? Yes. Will it pass? No. Why? Because we have spineless democratic congressmen(women). I'm ashamed that so many display a Casper Milktoast attitude on health care reform. They gather in congress as a bunch of nervous, shaking Chihauhua pups...
No. We will start taking responsibility for our own health. Heck with the system. Lieberman is a genuine rusty wing nut. Fasten him onto some space garbage and send him into the sun...
I am sorely disapointed in the fact that the healthcare bill is being handled or mishandled the way it has.
We need healthcare reform like nobodys business but it seems that those that can make a change are desperate not to.
I read somewhere that Democracy is government by the people. We obviously don't live in a Democracy since the will of the people isn't being done. Also, to those who use anti-socialism as a reason for not implementing healthcare reform, I say we are already there. If you are against socialism, return your employment insurance money, welfare money, social security funds, or any other funds you have probably been receiving from the government, then come talk to me.
EVER is a long, LONG time...
I'm sure that if this opportunity for respect for and improvement in Health Care for ALL Americans is squandered by Democrats that the chance will come up again, maybe for my grandchildren.
I'll always be stunned by the fact that we are seen as the most fiscally successful and the most backward as humans – and we are.
This should have been Medicare for all. The Democrats framed the healthcare discussion all wrong from the beginning and lost control of the conversationsoon after. What we will get, if anything, is a new series of regulations that will benefit primarily the insurance industry. They get 45 million new customers, and have traded almost nothing in return.
I will be glad to fund Lierberman's relection. I hope his efforts destroy the current bill so we can go back and get a real bill that is balanced. What surprises me the most is the Dem's will pass anything in order to say that they did something. If 59 other Senators have any beliefs why are they going to pass something that they don't want? That wont control costs? You can blame Lierberman all you want but if you had true leadership in the House and in the Senate you would had a bill that both sides could have supported.
This is not true reform to begin with. At some point the pain in the status quo - ie bankrupting our citizens and our companies will be so severe that true reform will occur. T
Our country will embrace a nationalized healthcare system like most every other country long-since has embraced. We haven't bankrupted enough people yet. We haven't spent enough of our GDP yet. Soon enough - 5 or 10 years from now, we will change.
Liebermann is the worst of the worst. He is a self-centerd tool of the insurance industry. The democrats should cut their ties with him. He is a black mark on the party. Between his war mongering in the middle east and his contempt for health care reform, the republicans can have him.
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