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August 25th, 2009
06:00 PM ET

Periodic gov't shutdowns a way to save money?

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On August 17, Chicago held a reduced-service day. City Hall, public libraries, health clinics and most other city offices were closed in efforts to save money. (PHOTO CREDIT: Scott Olson/GETTY IMAGES)

FROM CNN's Jack Cafferty:

Rhode Island plans to shut down the state government for 12 days as a way of dealing with severe financial problems.

The plan, laid out by Governor Don Carcieri, is expected to save $22 million in a state struggling with a 12.7 percent unemployment rate and the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars in tax collections as a result of the economic recession.

The plan is for 81 percent of the state workforce to stay home without pay one day a month for 12 months. The first day is scheduled for next week.

The Governor said there is no other option. He said he would consider other ideas if they could also save $22 million. He said the state can't lay off anymore employees since positions were cut last year and he has ruled out a tax increase.

Essential employees, including prison guards and state police, will work on these days.

Rhode Island isn't the first state to make this kind of move. At least 19 other states have furloughed employees or considered doing so in order to survive the current economic crisis.

In Maryland, state employees will be forced to take as many as 10 days without pay and 200 will be fired and left to spend every day off until they can find another job.

And in California, state employees had been forced to take every other Friday off and a third Friday was added to that this summer.

The workload presumably remains the same as people are getting a day less of pay. Probably doesn't do much for morale.

Here’s my question to you: Should periodic government shutdowns become a permanent way to save money?

Interested to know which ones made it on air?

Jeff from Houston, Texas writes:
Perhaps. Here is a better question Jack: Would anyone notice?

Eric writes:
Shutting down the government only fuels the recession. Some trimming should be done (like do we really need home mail delivery on Saturdays?) but shutting down government only hurts the employees who then hurt the economy by not having money to spend.

Roni writes:
Jack, I am a single parent that works for our local water agency. I am already paying an additional $700.00 per month for health insurance (started 6/1/09) and we are not receiving a raise this year. We are now being forced to take the week between Christmas and New Year's off. I can't find a second job to pay for all this. Contrary to what some say, we work our butts off!

Katie from Pekin, Illinois writes:
The American people working for private industries have to tighten their belts while wondering daily if they have a job. Why should government employees not have to sacrifice also? The perks, retirements, etc. they receive put private industry to shame, so, asking them to be part of the solution is a no brainer.

Sue from Redwood City, California writes:
How about starting with permanently getting rid of all these cushy extra paid holidays that government workers get such as Veterans Day and Martin Luther King to save money? We taxpayers have to pay for them to get these extra holidays that we don't get for ourselves. It's unfair, discriminatory and a major inconvenience for the rest of us. These extra holidays can be changed to honorary government recognition days but the government workers shouldn't get to take them off with pay.

John from Lancaster, Pennsylvania writes:
Jack, if the state shuts down for 12 days, does that mean you get to deduct 12 days of state taxes?

Shawn writes:
Dear Jack, I am a Nevada state employee not working today because today is my furlough day. I have another 22 more over the next two years. I would not mind so much, but top management and the elected (Governor, Lt. Gov., etc) officials did not extend the same benefit to themselves!


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soundoff (150 Responses)
  1. Arcy

    Jack,

    Government is a necessity; however, when force to close for a few days at a time, money is saved and those who are employed by Uncle Sam will be forced to be more efficient. This is a good thing for everybody, especially those who are paying the bills for its operation – you and me!!

    Arcy,
    New York, N.Y.

    August 25, 2009 at 1:24 pm |
  2. jenny

    Jack,
    only if you do not need services form that particular Government agency on that particular day.

    August 25, 2009 at 1:25 pm |
  3. Kevin in Dallas, TX

    How much money will it really save? Social Security, Medicare, Medicade, National Debt, Military, Welfare, Unemployment. These are all significant expenses that won't go away just because my Senator didn't go into work today.

    August 25, 2009 at 1:26 pm |
  4. Carl D.

    Jack,
    That's a great start. Then lets start laying off some of these government Leeches, make them pay for there own health care also. Most government employees don't work a full week let alone a full year. Let these losers start feeling the pain.
    Carl in Illinois

    August 25, 2009 at 1:27 pm |
  5. Russ in PA

    Yes, let's close down government for a week, and let people realize that the sky won't fall down. Perhaps then people will stop taking their rights and liberty for granted.

    August 25, 2009 at 1:30 pm |
  6. Brian

    Jack,

    That would be like purging your dinner a few times a week to keep yourself from gaining weight. Not exactly a good long-term strategy.

    The biggest government expenditures all come from the war departments, so that's where the biggest cuts should take place. People complain about medicare, social security and welfare, but those measely programs pale in comparison to the DoD and Pentagon budgets. Still, no branch should be spared until the economy recovers.

    Brian
    Boise, ID

    August 25, 2009 at 1:31 pm |
  7. Carl D.

    Jack,
    Sorry I missed the Ted Kennedy post, but here is my opinion, this guy should be in jail and not walking the streets a free man. I also can't believe that the state of Massachusetts keeps re-electing this guy. Term limits is the only answer, not just for Kennedy but for many other political Sponges.
    Carl in Illinois

    August 25, 2009 at 1:32 pm |
  8. Melissa

    I don't see it as ever becoming permanent.

    August 25, 2009 at 1:37 pm |
  9. lou

    We shouldn't be cutting services until we've trimmed all the non-essential to run a country spending out that we can. No more funding the arts, bike trails, grants to study fruit flies, trips to visit mistresses...etc.

    August 25, 2009 at 1:39 pm |
  10. Karen (Virginia)

    How is a shut-down supposed to save money? If government employees are not working then everything will take twice as long to accomplish. Instead of forcing people to take unpaid days off, why doesn't Congress get rid of some of its staffers and take a pay cut themselves? Oh yeah, right, the only body of people in the government who can vote themselves a pay raise, buy planes and force another department to pay for them, get free healthcare for life all at our expense. What a job! Where do I sign up?

    August 25, 2009 at 1:44 pm |
  11. MIKE FROM CHICAGO

    yes, and we should furlough the politicians as well so they feel our pain!

    August 25, 2009 at 1:45 pm |
  12. Dennis

    Are You KIDDING ME? These clowns SHOULD BE working OVERTIME to solve the problems we have in the USA! They take enough breaks. I say those that do nothing but say NO...Have GOT TO GO! If one has NO solutions then they are PART of The PROBLEM!

    August 25, 2009 at 1:47 pm |
  13. Tom, Avon, Me, The Heart of Democracy

    Jack, the right wing had its knickers in a twist because the president took a week off. Are you trying to kill them?

    August 25, 2009 at 1:49 pm |
  14. Jenna

    Should periodic government shutdowns become a permanent way to save money?

    Save money for who, the workers? It is only a form of deducting salary.
    It's not like government employees make a lot of money, because they don't.

    Jenna
    Roseville CA

    August 25, 2009 at 1:50 pm |
  15. Richard Sternagel

    Yes, people have been taxed enough! We all have to bear the blunt of this recession!

    August 25, 2009 at 2:02 pm |
  16. Ray Kinserlow

    Great idea! And while we are at it, let's hand out fewer bullets to our guys in Afghanistan. I can feel my stock rising now.

    Ray Kinserlow
    Lubbock, Texas

    August 25, 2009 at 2:03 pm |
  17. Tina Tx

    Yes. It means less harm the idiots in charge can do but I do not like the fact they close down libraries or the swimming pools. This is what my tax dollars are funding. Keep them open.

    August 25, 2009 at 2:05 pm |
  18. Jackie in Dallas

    No, Jack, they only save money in the short term. What we need is an overhaul of both state and national governments and a scalpel applied carefully to cut out waste without overburdening the workers at the bottom of the org charts. Reduce some of those health benefits for the upper management - after all, shouldn't they have to face the same issues those of us out here face? Lengthen their working days rather than shorten them - just don't pay compensatory time if you are above a certain level of management but make them actually work the same hours as the people getting things done. Cut down the number of paid holidays, sick days, and vacation days - after all, those of us in the private sector have had those types of cuts. And eliminate altogether those little sweetheart deals that allow government officials to get special services, free cars, free fuel, and free lunches! I feel lucky if, once a year, I get a free meal from the company I work for - and it isn't filet mignon or lobster, it is pizza (and not even beer!)!

    August 25, 2009 at 2:07 pm |
  19. John from Alabama

    Jack: In the short term government shutdowns are good, but in the long term the cost is a longer recession. Government employees spend money, but when they do not make money they can not spend it. The consumers are the ones who will eventually get us out of this deep recession.

    August 25, 2009 at 2:11 pm |
  20. Dave

    Know people need their services that's provided we need to fine other way to take care of the debt.

    August 25, 2009 at 2:11 pm |
  21. Joe CE

    Sure, reminds me of when I was working in private industry and had a two week furlough. Management circulated a memo saying that closing saved $40000/day – makes you wonder why ever reopen.

    August 25, 2009 at 2:13 pm |
  22. Paul Austin, Texas

    Periodic shutdowns do save money but they are only good for short term and should not become permanent practice.

    August 25, 2009 at 2:19 pm |
  23. Roy

    A better idea would be to charge all lobbyists a $10,000 registration fee to keep track of them. Additionally, Congressmen and their staffers would charge lobbyists a $1,000 per hour to listen to them and the proceeds would be deposited to the public coffers.

    Roy
    Texas

    August 25, 2009 at 2:19 pm |
  24. Jill

    Only if we want to the highest quality government employees to self-select out and find other employment. A more effective strategy would be to streamline and optimize government operations, cutting out the fat thereby optimizing their cost structures.

    August 25, 2009 at 2:23 pm |
  25. Harold, in ANCHORAGE, AK

    Let's start with military operations in Afganistan; before we break our backs on it like the USSR did

    August 25, 2009 at 2:25 pm |
  26. Jim

    Jack,

    How could that make sense? If some part of the government could be temporarily shut down without having a serious negative impact on some group of citizens, then why isn't it a target for permanent budget cuts?

    Jim
    Reno, Nevada

    August 25, 2009 at 2:28 pm |
  27. Richard McKinney, Texas

    Yes, and I think we should start with the United States Congress. They have got to be the biggest waste of money in the entire Federal system. If we could just stop them from voting on anything for half a year we would be solvent in no time.

    August 25, 2009 at 2:29 pm |
  28. Bizz, Quarryville, Pennsylvania

    The answer would be no. Making them more efficient would be a better way to go.

    August 25, 2009 at 2:30 pm |
  29. Sandra in Arkansas

    I thought they already had periodic government shutdowns (not to save money...just to take vacations)...at least our Congress and our Presidents! We definitely need to save money ,BUT we need to make money to pay off our debt. Jobs that are outsourced provide no income to our government...no federal or state income tax, no social security tax, no medicare tax, no sales tax, no property tax, etc. If we do not return good paying jobs to America we will have a permanent government shutdown - not a periotic one.

    August 25, 2009 at 2:36 pm |
  30. Tom in Desoto, Tx

    Less government for what we pay for? Now that's efficiency.

    August 25, 2009 at 2:37 pm |
  31. honestjohn in Vermont

    No. Don't shut it down, just give congress and the administration a big pay and benefits cut. Something MOST of us are having to deal with right now.

    August 25, 2009 at 2:41 pm |
  32. Connie Sturgeon

    Jack, Maybe it is time for the Senate and House to vote to stop the automatic raise they all get at the first of the year and maybe show good faith and vote to lower their pay. John McCain just said that doctors should be paid for how well they help the patient, good idea maybe the legislators should be paid according to how they help the citizens. Sorry Jack, I was just dreaming

    August 25, 2009 at 2:42 pm |
  33. Michael, Alexandria, VA

    No, since this amounts to a tax on government workers. Local governments need to have the stones to raise property tax rates so that revenue remains constant as property values fall. In jurisdications where this is impossible, like California, services should be shut down while the employees are paid to show how stupid Proposition 13 is.

    August 25, 2009 at 2:43 pm |
  34. David in San Diego

    Get real!! That question really means, should we make government less efficient and cause more disruption to people's lives. I think not!!

    August 25, 2009 at 2:44 pm |
  35. Angela, Kentucky

    Yes, give the Senate and Congress six months off without pay. We will save money on their bloated salaries and pet projects not too mention we won't miss their bloated egos.

    August 25, 2009 at 2:44 pm |
  36. Eric S.

    Shutting down the government only fuels the recession. Some trimming should be done (like do we really need home mail delivery on Saturdays???) but shutting down Government only hurts the employees who then hurt the economy by not having money to spend.

    August 25, 2009 at 2:54 pm |
  37. Mike, Syracuse, NY

    Yes. I remember the last time the Federal Government shut down nonessential services. It was billed as a 'crisis' but except for a few people who couldn't get passports to go on vacation, no one seemed to notice. Maybe we should shut down all nonessential services permanently. Most of us would probably not even notice. Besides, I already have a passport.

    August 25, 2009 at 3:11 pm |
  38. Mike from Denver

    Shut downs are only a band-aid on the problem. How about spending money more efficiently? It is time for the taxpayers to get their money's worth out of government.

    August 25, 2009 at 3:15 pm |
  39. Pugas-AZ

    Maybe we shold shut it down for a year or two and see what results we get. We all could use a rest from it and a lot of the deadwood might be left behind. Oops! That would put the lobbiest out of work.

    August 25, 2009 at 3:29 pm |
  40. Jeff in Houston

    Perhaps. Here is a better question Jack: Would anyone notice?

    August 25, 2009 at 3:29 pm |
  41. chuck b

    the way to save money is to get reid of the jobs that are not needed, and/or re-direct these employees to get re-educated and switch fields like the most of americans have had to do.

    August 25, 2009 at 3:31 pm |
  42. Roni B

    Jack, I am a single parent that works for our local Water Agency. I am already paying an additional $700.00 per month for health insurance (started 6/1/09) and we are not receiving a raise this year. We are now being forced to take the week between Christmas and New Year's off. I can't find a second job to pay for all this. Contrary to what some say, we work our butts off!

    August 25, 2009 at 3:34 pm |
  43. Nuwan Samaranayake

    Ask a republican. They will ask for a permanent shutdown. May be Wall Street can run the United States of America. Then the Republicans will be happy.

    Nuwan from Houston, TX

    August 25, 2009 at 3:37 pm |
  44. Terry, Chandler AZ

    It would be really cool if part of that periodic governmental shutdowns involved traffic cops and DPS officers whose sole purpose , or so they think, is to write tickets.

    August 25, 2009 at 3:39 pm |
  45. Sherri-Illinois

    Cutting the everyday bureaucracy would be RIGHT way to do it BUT until that happens then yes the govt shutdowns are acceptable because its better than laying people off.

    August 25, 2009 at 3:40 pm |
  46. Greg in Cabot, AR

    How about having a mandatory periodic government shutdown each time our elected officials get ready to vote for new spending programs, congressional pay raises or pork barrel projects.

    I can't go shopping for new clothes, cars, boats or vacations unless I have the money to spend so what makes Congress think we can afford a new health care program when we havn't even tried to fix the old one yet? Many of our current highways and bridges are in need of repair yet billions are being spent on new roads and bridges.

    I guess I need to find a gub-er-rnent job where I can vote myself a raise, use the taxpayer's credit card to buy things for the voters that will get me re-elected.

    August 25, 2009 at 3:41 pm |
  47. Tommy Martin

    Dear Jack,
    If everyone in this country is suppose to tighten their budgets and companies end up laying people off. Why is the government expanding in their hiring by leaps and bounds. Just a few days off without pay doesn't offset the growth in which this government is growing. This is just a ploy the mask the real problem. If we have to cut back, then so should the government not be allowed to hire more people
    Tommy from Tulsa

    August 25, 2009 at 3:42 pm |
  48. Independent Joe

    Jack,

    Absolutely. I also think it would be a good idea to lower the financial compensation to congress as well. After all they voted to move our jobs overseas.

    Independent Joe (Minnesota)

    August 25, 2009 at 3:50 pm |
  49. jhns3thm@yahoo.com

    As long as the senate and house take the day off too. Oh, I forgot they can show up when they want and still get paid. Damn, Jack I thought you were on to something.

    August 25, 2009 at 3:50 pm |
  50. Doug - Dallas, TX

    When your back is against the wall, there aren't many choices. It's better than laying people off. The voters have a choice to make; higher taxes or less services. City and state governments are cutting to the bone but the years of excessive spending is coming back to haunt us. I believe we can live with the inconvenience.

    August 25, 2009 at 3:52 pm |
  51. Ruie - Brownstown, MI

    Dear Jack: Absolutely not. All it does is cause hardship on your City, State, and Federal employees – which in turn causes hardship on any services/commerce they might typically use. It doesn't work in the long run. Get real health care reform, encourage cities and states to start cleaning house - get rid of those supervisory money pits like nepotism and graft and everyone would be doing a lot better.

    August 25, 2009 at 3:53 pm |
  52. Paul S. New Port Richey, Fl

    Great idea. Stop now, take away the checkbook and begin again in November 2012 with 536 new faces. A great plan.

    August 25, 2009 at 3:54 pm |
  53. Lisa in Shelton

    if it does not cripple function in vital agencies – YES – everyone sharing the burden may keep more people from losing their jobs.

    August 25, 2009 at 4:00 pm |
  54. Jon Auer

    Goverment Offices are antiquated, and very costly to run.
    Having no one working there for a few days means lack of services not savings, because when they return its the same antiquated work style and costly ethic.

    It would be much better to bring them into the year 2009 and update them with best practices; ways to provide cost efective efficent services. And have them available to the public to serve.

    Taking time off is another, I dont want to think or work that hard, management decision, when they know nothing else to do!

    It always comes down to "shaft the hourly worker, get a bonus!"
    It is typical hinking, with no efficent change

    Jon in Nashville,

    August 25, 2009 at 4:02 pm |
  55. Missy M, Phoenix

    Periodic government shutdown is a brilliant way to save money. It's also a great way to highlight that society functions just fine even when government scales back.

    August 25, 2009 at 4:05 pm |
  56. Eric, Flemington, NJ

    This is an idea whose time has come. While the private sector has been losing jobs, government continues to hire – at our expense. Let's at least attempt to gain some control over our out-of-control state and federal budgtes and cut the payroll. Chances are we will do just fine, so long as the cuts fall under non-essential services.

    August 25, 2009 at 4:10 pm |
  57. Alex in Seattle

    We pay taxes to pay for government services which should be provided on a regular basis. As you stated, Jack, the workload does not decrease so this should not be a permanent solution. The biggest problem will be additional delays in the criminal justice system. It may even be unconstitutional since the Sixth Amendment guarantees the right to a speedy trial.

    August 25, 2009 at 4:12 pm |
  58. BigD Keep On Rollin', Mn

    I Think It Only "Shows to Go Ya" that Some of These Government Employees are Under-Worked + Over-Paid!

    Yeah, Go Ahead! Maybe a "4-Day Work" Week is the Thing?

    August 25, 2009 at 4:14 pm |
  59. Jackie in Dallas

    No, Jack, they only save money in the short term and usually only impact the lower grades in government service. Those are actually the ones who get things done. Just make upper management come in and work one or two days a month without pay!

    What we need is an overhaul of both state and national governments and a scalpel applied carefully to cut out waste without overburdening the workers at the bottom of the org charts. Lengthen the management's working days rather than shorten them — just don’t pay compensatory time if you are above a certain level of management, but make them actually work the same hours as the people getting things done. Cut down the number of paid holidays, sick days, and vacation days for upper management — after all, those of us in the private sector have had those types of cuts.

    And eliminate altogether those little sweetheart deals that allow government officials to get special services, free cars, free fuel, and free lunches at the taxpayer's table. I don't see them hurting. Until the upper management of state governments, and the upper level management in federal government (including Congress and Senators), are reduced to 2 weeks of vacation, 5 sick days, and have to start actually having to contribute to or pay their own premiums for health care, they won't start really feel the pain the rest of us face.

    August 25, 2009 at 4:16 pm |
  60. Lucy

    No; if the government is that God-awful at managing money, maybe it shouldn't have any. Let the people work!
    Lucy
    SF, CA

    August 25, 2009 at 4:17 pm |
  61. C.K. of Colorado

    Absolutely not. I'm not a government worker, but am in the same boat – we have our furlough days still to come until the end of the year to "save" the company money. We keep getting reminded that we're in such a mess, but then I see expense reimbursements for lavish dinner parties while I'm being asked to have my pay cut! Where's the logic in that?

    August 25, 2009 at 4:21 pm |
  62. Mike Armstrong TX.

    It all depends if the periodic shutdowns include there pay check I would say theres a catch 22 and dont trust those weasels.

    August 25, 2009 at 4:21 pm |
  63. Karen - Missouri

    I don't run a government so I can't answer a question like that. I'm sure we'd all get used to fewer days. So, the workers might have to be more productive and quit playing games on Facebook.

    August 25, 2009 at 4:22 pm |
  64. Marion/Birmingham

    You do what it takes to live with in your budget . When you decide to make better choices with what you have to spend, then the problem will correct its self.

    August 25, 2009 at 4:25 pm |
  65. Jay in Texas

    Maybe these government shutdowns will need to be instituted for awhile but I doubt that they will become permanent unless state governments fail to address other ways to save money including true prison reform and the release of millions of nonviolent offenders.
    Brownwood, Texas

    August 25, 2009 at 4:27 pm |
  66. Allen in Hartwell GA

    Jack, if the governments can't figure out how to get their expenses down to a manageable level then I guess forcing each person on the payroll to take days off with no pay is the only way. Personally I think people would be agreeable to a smaller total pay package if it meant they could get out of their houses at least five days a week. Their are many ways governments can save money if they have the guts to do it.

    August 25, 2009 at 4:29 pm |
  67. MOJerry Nixa, MO 65714

    Yes, government employees should also contribute to this economic mess. A 10% unempoyment rate for the rest of us should reflect in less employment and salaries for them. Too bad we can't cut our "leader's" salary by the same percentage!

    August 25, 2009 at 4:30 pm |
  68. Katiec Pekin, IL

    The American people working for private industries have to tighten their belts while wondering daily if they have a job.
    Why should government employees not have to sacrifice also.
    The perks, retirements etc they receive put private industry to
    shame, so, asking them to be part of the solution is a no brainer.

    August 25, 2009 at 4:34 pm |
  69. Jerry Jacksonville, Fl.

    Yes and it should apply to the Federal government especially the congress, if they can take two or three months a year off then they should take an additional two months off without pay and maybe just maybe they would get close to earning what they are really worth.

    August 25, 2009 at 4:36 pm |
  70. randy in indiana

    Absolutely, shutdowns should be implemented, but only in areas where critical services won't be compromised. The American people have to find ways every day to save money, the least the government (whom we fund) can do, is to tighten it's belt when necessary! Every dollar saved is a dollar we don't have to borrow!

    August 25, 2009 at 4:39 pm |
  71. mack from michigan

    yes and if nobody notices the government is shutdown it should become less periodic!

    August 25, 2009 at 4:40 pm |
  72. Maria

    Absolutely. Other countries use this same method. It resultsin cost savings, higher employee morale, and de-stressing of everyone involved. We would have to wean ourselfs off our demand for instant answers, instant service, instant gratification...but we can do it. We're tough.

    Brunswick,MD

    August 25, 2009 at 4:40 pm |
  73. Michael M Phoenix AZ

    Maybe they ought to shut down Congress also...Oh, that's right they already are....or at least it seems that way with all their time away from their offices...I have yet to get a personal answer from either McCain, Kyl, or my congressman whenever I complain about something...just "canned" answers.

    August 25, 2009 at 4:42 pm |
  74. Deborah Black

    In most business operations, furloghs, or unpaid time off have always been part of an emergnecy plan. It should be put into place early on, before there is a crisis. That way people can take a little time here and there, and not get laid off permanently.

    August 25, 2009 at 4:42 pm |
  75. Thom Richer

    A permanent way to save money? Hell, it isn't even a temporary means of saving money. How has it changed our plight one iota? The answer, the honest answer, is...it hasn't. If this is how we are attacking the problem then we are in deep doo-doo. Employment and a living wage for workers is the only solution coupled with penalizing those who move their companies and factories off-shore rather than rewarding them with tax breaks for doing so. Put people to work and our economy will thrive. Stop the phoney and deceitful 'cash for clunkers" and shutting down government BS which are nothing more than insults to American's intelligence and do something trully "permanent."

    Thom Richer
    Negaunee, MI

    Thom Richer
    Negaunee, MI

    August 25, 2009 at 4:43 pm |
  76. Birddog in Mississippi

    Taking an unpaid day off every couple of weeks is better than being laid-off. It's also better than cutting out essential services entirely. It's too bad that more businesses aren't following the same model - at least as an option for workers. One of the reasons more don't, of course, is because they still have to pay the same costs in health insurance. Just one more reason why we need Health Care Reform.

    August 25, 2009 at 4:45 pm |
  77. Mike, Michigan

    By furloughing these government employees we save a few bucks. If we furlough congressmen we save a few more bucks. If we take their health care insurance from them, then we might get true heath care reform.

    August 25, 2009 at 4:48 pm |
  78. Cindy from New Bern NC

    Yes, I think we can do this for awhile. Also, how about a surcharge on income taxes on April 15th? Say $1 or $2 for everyone filing a return.
    If you declare a NET of say one million or more, a 1/4th % of NET.

    This would raise some money to be applied only to the deficit. Year
    after year it could help some, no Jack?

    August 25, 2009 at 4:51 pm |
  79. Pam, NY

    Better yet... a permanent shutdown of our periodic government.

    August 25, 2009 at 4:54 pm |
  80. Mario (from) Vegas

    Whatever they can do to save money they should do we need our jobs.

    August 25, 2009 at 4:54 pm |
  81. Rob of Brooklyn

    and why not shut it down. these idiots aren't doing anything anyway

    August 25, 2009 at 4:55 pm |
  82. joe m

    i've got a better idea for the government to save money, performance based pay for our representatives and senators. i bet that we'd save billions in pay since most of them could never meet even their most basic duties. closing down government services really only hurts the little guys and the citizens who rely on some of the services offered. while we're at it, we should also institute performance based pay for the top management of many government agencies. i can almost imagine that we would be able to cut the deficit by a sizeable margin with these measures.

    August 25, 2009 at 4:59 pm |
  83. Mari, Salt Lake City, Utah

    Why not? There are plenty of things that the government can do, right now, to cut costs.

    August 25, 2009 at 5:01 pm |
  84. Dennis North Carolina

    we have to pay the bills or go out of business just your own house budget or failure. balance is balance no matter which way you go. government is a business and has to be run as a business.

    August 25, 2009 at 5:01 pm |
  85. rlandschoot

    Furlough all legislators, make them vote via internet since they've allready been told to vote yes or no by party. On a second thought, get rid of them all, and start formenting a new bunch of overstuffed idiots

    August 25, 2009 at 5:04 pm |
  86. Ed from California

    Sure, we don't need the police or fire or clean, safe water. Government is a waste of money. We don't need laws or regulations, you didn't make money on the stock market crash? Housing?

    What were witnessing is the dying quivers of America. Hell, China owns us anyway, were just too stupid to know it.

    August 25, 2009 at 5:10 pm |
  87. Donald of Tampa Area

    No! If a government function is not essential enough to work full time, maybe it is not even necessary. Also, if it is essential, then we should pay for it, with taxes, if necessary. Lets cut the crap about "NO NEW TAXES" and do what is necessary to operate the government properly. Donald

    August 25, 2009 at 5:18 pm |
  88. Gigi

    What a joke!
    If it needs to be done, yes but we need to trim the salaries and expenses of the high government officials before going after the local workers. If this is serious business let our President and Representatives trim their salaries and budgets first, That! would make a better impression on the people. "Working together as a nation". I can't wait to hear what raise they will vote for themselves this year, after announcing NO raise for those on Social Security. Also let the rich help with the debt that's been accrued because of the tax cuts to the wealthy these past years.

    Oregon

    August 25, 2009 at 5:20 pm |
  89. Ken, Beaverton, MI

    Let's cut the benefits that the Beltway Aliens have only because their our representatives. Let's make them represent us and not themselves. Better yet, let's vote all encumbents in 2010 out - both parties.

    August 25, 2009 at 5:20 pm |
  90. Betty, San Diego, Ca.

    Periodic government shutdowns are a proven way to save money and balance budgets without raising taxes. Government employees would prefer shutdowns over terminations.

    August 25, 2009 at 5:23 pm |
  91. Sue from Redwood City

    How about starting with permanently getting rid of all these cushy extra paid holidays that goverment workers get such as Veterans Day and Martin Luther King to save money? We taxpayers have to pay for them to get these extra holidays that we don't get for ourselves. It's unfair, discriminatory and a major inconvenience for the rest of us. These extra holidays can be changed to honorary government recognition days but the government workers shouldn't get to take them off with pay.

    August 25, 2009 at 5:27 pm |
  92. AndyZ Lynn, MA

    No. The correct answer is that the federal government and all state governments need to adjust their governments so that they have balanced budgets. No deficit spending. No borrowing from other countries. No selling "Bush Bonds" to other countries. Why not tell America that these bonds the previous administration sold bonds to, China, Russia, Japan, Germany, etc. The value is between 40 – 50 billion dollars. How will we pay them?

    August 25, 2009 at 5:29 pm |
  93. Paulette from Dallas,PA

    Yes, as long as it saves money and jobs in the long run. Belts need to be tightened somewhere. I am certain these government employees will be able to survive with one less day pay. What about the poor guy with four kids,no insurance,no job,and unemployment will be running out. As I see it,government employees have it pretty good and should not start crying on a full belly.

    August 25, 2009 at 5:32 pm |
  94. Eric in Houston, Texas

    I think these shutdowns are an excellent way to force the bureaucracy to cut down on waste. Teachers have the summers off (for the most part). Why shouldn't others have time off as well?

    August 25, 2009 at 5:33 pm |
  95. Ralph Spyer chicago Il

    what happens if you need a cop, or your home is on fire,who do you call?

    August 25, 2009 at 5:40 pm |
  96. Jackie in Dallas

    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    No, Jack, they only save money in the short term and usually only impact the lower grades in government service. Those are actually the ones who get things done. Just make upper management come in and work one or two days a month without pay!

    What we need is an overhaul of both state and national governments and a scalpel applied carefully to cut out waste without overburdening the workers at the bottom of the org charts. Lengthen the management’s working days rather than shorten them — just don’t pay compensatory time if you are above a certain level of management, but make them actually work the same hours as the people getting things done. Cut down the number of paid holidays, sick days, and vacation days for upper management — after all, those of us in the private sector have had those types of cuts.

    And eliminate altogether those little sweetheart deals that allow government officials to get special services, free cars, free fuel, and free lunches at the taxpayer’s table. I don’t see them hurting. Until the upper management of state governments, and the upper level management in federal government (including Congress and Senators), are reduced to 2 weeks of vacation, 5 sick days, and have to start actually having to contribute to or pay their own premiums for health care, they won’t start really feel the pain the rest of us face.

    August 25, 2009 at 5:45 pm |
  97. Ryan, Galesburg, IL

    I'm pretty sure the republicans have already shut the govenment down, but unfortunately they're still getting paid.

    August 25, 2009 at 5:50 pm |
  98. Luke

    I love how so many people are advocating cutting programs. I also love how each party blames the other for where we are now. Republicans say "cut taxes, but you better not take away my benefits". Democrats say "no new taxes, but we're going to expand coverage or entitlements". Does anyone actually realize that we can't continue with the way our government currently budgets and finances its programs?

    The reform needed to decrease our deficit and balance the budget is to make any laws passed by congress (federal and state) include explicit information on where the money is coming from and have the CBO (again, federal and state) verify the figures. Let's hope this insures budget-neutral legislation in the future.

    August 25, 2009 at 5:50 pm |
  99. Jasmine in Germany

    Permanent, no. Smart restructuring, yes. Perhaps less unnecessary full time jobs make sense. Some offices may operate more effectively with more part-time or 3/4 shift jobs.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:04 pm |
  100. Mike in TX

    Jack – If we add up all the days our lawmakers at all levels have off, along with the days they spend in obstructionism for sake of re-election we should somehow be happy they are not considering an equal amount of time off for the people who are actually being productive and getting something done.

    My daughter in law has one week a month off unpaid but still has a job. A temporary –Not permanent - program of days off to get through tough times should work but only if we can get the lawmakers that have these ideas to lose pay based on minimum days and their productivity.

    I've not seen any plans that include lawmakers having unpaid off have you?

    August 25, 2009 at 6:05 pm |
  101. Mike in Colorado

    Sure Jack government workers should be part of the race to the bottom.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:07 pm |
  102. steve Lyons

    1) Remove all members of Congress and the their support staff from the federal payroll and make the states pay for their congressional representation. Apply the savings towards paying DOWN the national debt.

    2) Eliminate 1 million federal employees and apply the savings towards paying down the national debt.

    3) Eliminate the czars and apply the savings towards paying down the national debt.

    4) Lock Obama in the White house and eliminate his travel budget, and prohibit Congressional junkets.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:08 pm |
  103. Steve Lyons

    I'm thinking a 20% to 40% reduction of their salaries by an amount equal to the deficit. More service for less money and if they don't like it they can go find a private sector job. Government salaries need to have a claw back to it when the economy goes sour they are the ones to take the hit along with those of us losing jobs. All these czars need to be unfunded.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:11 pm |
  104. Ken in NC

    The answer is yes but the only way the government can save money is if the people keep it for them. If the governemnt has it then some Republican or Democrat will find a way for Big Banks or Wall Street to invest it and we will never see it again.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:12 pm |
  105. JS

    Jack, people are going to think this is a great idea because it will save them money. Of course, they are going to complain when the days closed inconvenience them. People need to realise (in many ways including health care etc), you only get what you pay for. If you want more services you need to pay more, its what taxes are for. There is nothing wrong with taxes, so long as they are used efficiently to provide services. Its probably better then private service provision while someone scoops profits off the top and lines their pockets.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:13 pm |
  106. Steve Canada

    No. As a temporary measure, fine...There should be a gradual evaluation of all staff levels as retirements occur..I'm thinking 85% of a job is better than none. There are not a lot of pretty alternatives out there..You cut services, people scream..You raise taxes people scream. I mean, for example..why do you need Saturday mail delivery..just thinking out loud a bit...

    August 25, 2009 at 6:13 pm |
  107. chris

    well its more time to read the 1000+ page health care bill

    August 25, 2009 at 6:14 pm |
  108. John

    Step back jack!
    Even the people in politics and other branches of government need to get paid.
    If anything this should be instituted in the WORST of times.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:14 pm |
  109. Tim Hendon, Hammond, LA

    Of course, government could shut down one day a week. In fact, the government moves so slowly that it could shut down for 12 weeks and things would still be the same... in committee....tabled.... or shuffled under the rug as usual! The only difference would be that the government would be making money by shutting down!!!

    I say ":GO FOR IT!!!"""

    August 25, 2009 at 6:14 pm |
  110. Elizabeth, Clarksville, Tennessee

    I'm sure the people working in government jobs would rather have a cut in pay with days off than a cut in pay and then be required to report to work 5 days per week. At least with time off, they can save on transportation to work, lunch and coffee break money, and dry cleaning. I'm sure it will hurt some people who depend on a full week's pay to make ends meet, but it beats standing in the unemployment line.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:15 pm |
  111. jen

    on periodic shut down of government? SURE....AS LONG AS IT INVOLVES SENATORS & CONGRESSMEN'S PAY....no problem. I'm thinking we could save a bit more if they paid for their own insurance too!

    August 25, 2009 at 6:15 pm |
  112. Paul C Demennato

    We should start by giving congress a six month furlough without pay. Things will improve immediately and the lack of hot air emitting from Washington will also help the global warming situation.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:16 pm |
  113. Steve Lyons

    I like the lobbyist fees, but $10,000 is too small. Make their fees $100,000,000 at a minimum payable directly to the US Treasury, AND fit them with tracking GPS devices. Then fit all of Congress and their staff members with tracking devices as well connected to real time internet locating systems so we can see who is doing the lobbying, and when.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:16 pm |
  114. Chris Brown

    Of course shutting down the government, whether federal, state, or local, would save money. The fewer opportunities those bozos in DC have to spend our money, the more money we all save.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:17 pm |
  115. Matt Ford

    Yes, government shutdowns would be productive if it only affected the Congress and Senate. Better to have no bills passed rather than enact bad legislation into law.

    They don't listen to the people anyway. We won't miss them at all.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:17 pm |
  116. Shawn Flynn

    Dear Jack, I am a Nevada state employee – not working today because today is my "furlough" day. I have another 22 more over the next two years. I would not mind so much – but top management and the elected (Governor, LT Gov., etc) officials did not extend the same benefit to themselves!!!!!

    August 25, 2009 at 6:18 pm |
  117. Annie, Atlanta

    Why does it always have to be the ones who can least afford it that have to do so? Why don't our politicians cut their salaries by 25-50%, and cut out all their travel expenses? I'd rather see that, first. This is the first year in many I've seen most of them actually working.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:18 pm |
  118. LEN - IL.

    Yes, it might be a good idea. The best idea is, to stop pay raises for Federal government and also State Government. The reins need to be tightened. Won't the Republicans whine about that? They would have to dig deep into their offshore bank accounts to get by.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:18 pm |
  119. Greg Valentine

    No, such shutdowns should not be any longer than necessary to deal with the state's budget crisis. State programs need to be properly staffed; state governments are already short on staffing. The true choice is to cut programs to balance the budgets. But whose ox?

    And by the way, Maine has had such a program in place for at least 2 months. My wife is a state accountant and has already sustained 2 furlough days.

    Cheers.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:18 pm |
  120. Bob from New Brighton

    I don't know about the rest of the country but Pennsylvania would be far better off with about 2/3's of our legislators laid off. Forget about calling them back. We would save a lot of money (in fact have a surplus) if we didn't have to pay thier over the edge salaries and all the goodies they have given themselves.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:18 pm |
  121. Dolores Surprise AZ

    When my husband was an electrician in California, if there were a certain number of electricians not working, they would put everyone on 4 days a week and that would give a lot of other workers at least 4 days pay also, Cutting a day to save money for the states or cutting 1 day off each person to put others to work is a great idea...

    August 25, 2009 at 6:18 pm |
  122. Mark M San Francisco Ca

    Jack....

    Well I live in Calif and YES i think this shgould be a perm fix, we are at 12% unemployment yet calif goverment grew. Lets start with the postal service no deliverys on saturdays, we have talked about that for how long? and the DMV is open 5 days a week you go in and wait 2 hours anyway, so there closed one more day and we wait 2 hours? differnce is?
    for to long goverment employees get the best of everything, and goverment just keeps growing under Obama and California's own "terminator" he terminated our jobs and grew his goverment where does it stop with both partys? will "we the people" ever be put 1st??

    August 25, 2009 at 6:19 pm |
  123. San D

    I think local governments ought to work half staff on Fridays and the other half staff on Mondays, thus giving everyone a 3 day weekend, and allowing the public to have access to essential services.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:19 pm |
  124. Kim in Dodge City, KS

    The whinners who are out there crying socialism at every opportunity should love a periodic government shut down. That way they don't have to suffer the anguish of having a social security system, or military protection, or federal courts or anything else that taxes pay for.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:19 pm |
  125. Jasmine in Marburg, Germany

    The city where I live in Germany did something smart, the Post Office moved branch offices into spaces of a large supermarket chain. Tremendous overhead is saved for the Post Office. It's business as usual, but heat, air-conditioning, electricity, security, insurance, snow removal, etc. costs have been tremendously reduced for this government office. Plus, there's plenty of parking for everyone. It's very successful, Jack.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:20 pm |
  126. Steve

    Absolutely! It's going to take a periodic Government shut down to test and measure the American people's wishes to suck it up and go without certain government furnished services or to face the fact that while tax cuts are attractive from time to time, tax increases may be necessary as well as the American/Global economy is not dictated or influenced by Americans disdain for tax increases. The economy could care less about peoples like or dislike for taxes. It , the economy, is what it is. We need to mature as a nation and stop looking at our own situations and look at what is good for the nation as a whole. If a tax increase is needed in state and local Governments, then let's hike the taxes if we like our standard/quality of living as it stands today. We are the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!! The Good of the Whole trumps the Good for the few.

    Steve
    Clifton, VA

    August 25, 2009 at 6:23 pm |
  127. Flyingwolf, Manchester NH

    My answer is YES. The other option is raising taxes, and in Manchester, NH, that means PROPERTY TAXES which are too high anyway. City workers have a lot of benefits (mostly health care) that the rest of us don't have. They can afford to take a day off now and then to keep the rest of us from losing our houses...besides nobody wants to do business on a Friday, anyway.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:26 pm |
  128. Don S.

    When are we going to grow enough of a collective backbone to demand that the filthy rich step up to the plate, and cover the shortfall. I learned earlier this year that roughly one percent of this country's population controls something like 85 percent of the wealth. I don't believe that's changed appreciably since then, with timid politicians walking on eggshells, trying to rise above the tide of red ink, doing everything but raising taxes on the wealthy. Forget shutdowns, furloughs; just require that the well-heeled in this society pay their fair share, like every other civilized society requires.

    Don
    Iowa

    August 25, 2009 at 6:26 pm |
  129. PETER

    Peter NY

    Permanent government closings are not the anwser. The government has to learn spend tax dollars wisely and responsibly. Not just give the money away to a bunch of winers who don't need it. If only responsible people were in public office and society. Then this would be a lot better world to live in. Its hard enough to get ahold of government officials as it is the last thing you need to do is get another day off compensated or not.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:27 pm |
  130. Phil in Florida

    Sure, I am a city employee and the full timers get lots of paid leave and many of us do next to nothing when we're "working". I can tell you that if all of the jobs at the facility I work at were part-time, no one would know the difference.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:27 pm |
  131. Mark from Boston

    That would be a start.
    Here's the problem. Government is TOO large to begin with. The private sector's productivity numbers are off the charts (growing at the fastest rate in six years), while government continues to lag. We need to stop paying people to dig holes for others to subsequently come fill them back up. No more pet pork projects for butterfly migration research or re-sanding beaches. Our government just projected and increase of 2 TRILLION dollars (from 7 to 9 trillion) for the deficit over the next nine years. Everybody in the country has tightened their belts but the government. There are people with graduate degrees (with graduate degree debt) that have been on unemployment for nearly a year and you're asking should government have periodic furloughs?

    Buy a clue already. And, hurry before the dollar becomes worth less, or worthless.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:28 pm |
  132. Sandy

    It's better to have some workers off two days a month than some workers off for good. I'm sure these workers make enough money to adjust to loosing 2 days pay a month or they are living above their means. Think of all the poor souls who have lost their job totally! Don't be selfish!

    August 25, 2009 at 6:28 pm |
  133. Chris

    Great Idea! Let's shut down the whole US government for good. I'm thinking a second Revolutionary War might do the trick.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:28 pm |
  134. Walt Annapolis MD

    George Bush basicly shut down the White House for the last 2 1/2 years of his administration. That didn't save us any money.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:29 pm |
  135. Galasso

    Let's start with Congress – when they go on those long vacations – they don't paid.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:30 pm |
  136. Marilyn

    Of course there should be periodic government employee days cut!
    With rising unemployment and businesses closing, the responsibility of rising debts should be spred around. Hey Jack, these poor gov't people have health care don't they!

    August 25, 2009 at 6:31 pm |
  137. Doug in Montana

    It says that a democracy cannot survive while intertwined with selfish greed. Rich people need to pay more taxes. Eventually the poor people will get so desperate there will be a revolution. It has happened before in history. Why do we study history, if we don't learn anything from it? The greediest people seem to come from the Christian conservatives. You know. Love thy neighbor like thyself.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:33 pm |
  138. Bob VA

    Jack,
    The states currently closing Government offices periodicly are the states with the highest tax rates.So when people are losing their jobs, and others are just fleeing these high tax localities, the tax revenues will continue to suffer. Federal, State, Local, Social Security/Medicare taxes do add up, and they will be going up, and these high tax states will continue to suffer.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:34 pm |
  139. DJ in Denver

    who cares? If I get sick I will die. I haven't had a job since my Republican boss started paying me half of what I was worth. Oh yeah he didn't give me health insurance. This country is like it was after the civil war, the only problem is there are no gold rushes. I'm glad I have a camper. I know of many living in cars in Wallmart parking lots.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:34 pm |
  140. mattie

    Jack, yes, and guess what, we have people that work for the Government in those Town Hall Meeting's complaining! these people should be given a SIX month leave Without Pay!!! they scream about the Government but, yet, they are Blessed to still have Job's with the Government!!

    Don't these people have Government Health Care? so let's put that to a Halt as well! let them be on their Own!!! and let's see how long they can survive without help from the Government!!

    August 25, 2009 at 6:35 pm |
  141. roselandtom

    DUH Jack,
    How many tens of thousands of white and blue collar workers are there that have completely lost there jobs until another might be found?
    YES and that is a BIG yes to government employees having to at a least
    take a minimum of one day off.
    Jack what about all these government cronies sitting in a prison for offenses they committed. Have them return at least a minimum of one month's pay for every year that there sentences are for also there pensions that there receiving tap into that also. That would generate somewhat of a portion back to the Feds.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:35 pm |
  142. Dennis Passmore

    It 's amazing that imbalances in the society result in punishing the
    viuctim for the problem. The beleaguered government workers in
    Rhode Island and Maryland are victims of the anti-co-operation
    leaders' inability to envision shared solutions that put the overall
    good before the endless selfishness of business as usual.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:35 pm |
  143. j/NJ

    Should periodic government shutdowns become a permanent way to save money?

    Unfortunately the politicians are directly responsible for the recessionary situation in which we find ourselves...yet they all have extensive, hassle free health coverage and no mortgage problems causing them distress...in any event govt shutdowns while unpleasant at minimum, are preferable than raising taxes, which BTW are by no means off limits in any politicians mind doing business in any state or in any year...

    August 25, 2009 at 6:36 pm |
  144. Gregory Miami Beach, FL

    I would be grateful to those goverment employees making sacrifices with the rest of us. Times are a changing for so many and lots of us are having hardship. I take off my hat to them!

    August 25, 2009 at 6:36 pm |
  145. Mary J Nickum

    we can live with a periodic shut down. It's already been going on for years!

    August 25, 2009 at 6:38 pm |
  146. Hector Servadac

    R Reagan said ' government costs the family more than food, clothing and shelter combined...'

    in the 50s, the gov. cost 1600$ per family, in the 70s it was up to 9000$. do we need a study to understand that the gov. is growing at a much faster rate than the goods and services it provides to us?!?

    how much more ironic can the officials laugh at us? i mean we give them money to take care of business, and now they tell us they're out of money and they're going to do even less for us? this is one of the most sickening propaganda of the last months: the bureaucrats are telling us that they'll work even slower, and we are supposed to thank them for doing some big sacrifice? come on America, come on!!

    ps. how about a private government? why didn't we try that out yet?:} oh yeah, because that would mean the end of the politics as we know it! and w/out politics, lots of people would be forced to earn a 'honest' $.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:40 pm |
  147. Chad from Los Angeles

    Yes, but the gov't should not have to completely shut down. Why can't they just staff less a couple days a week and that way our great gov't services will be available all the time, just not in high capacity. Gov't employees need to work a little harder, to get rid of their bad rep for being lazy and being inefficient due to so much bureaucracy.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:41 pm |
  148. John in Santa Barbara

    You wanna cut big government, have all of them work four days a week. All of them congress the President, the governors, the embasseys in all foreign countrys. Four days a week and no overtime EVER!!!!! This will put the world on notice that the United States of America is done being the cash cow to the world and they are going to have to get along without us. Also cut off utilities one day a month, no electricity, no gas, no water and then gas stations go out two days a month. Hospitals need to shut down one day a month. No doctors no nurses no nada. Patients will have to tought it out. Schools need to shut down 6 months a years. The kids are worthless and need to learn to teach each other or better yet all school is to be on-line, and maybe the kids will show some interest. Prisons will be closed two days a week, inmates will be released to their own depredations during "free-time" when no guards are present and they must feed themselves and fend for themselves during the days off, also with no utilities. Winter should get interesting. Lastly television, radio and the internet must shut down two days a week, forcing families to have to talk to one another, and parents to have to finally speak to their children at dinner by candlelight.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:43 pm |
  149. JERRY SOLDOTNA, ALASKA.

    Yes! Lets do the BIG SHUT DOWN though, with all of the OBAMANATIONS GOVERNMENT. Or is it to L8??

    August 25, 2009 at 6:48 pm |
  150. Steven J. Beto

    Cottage Grove, MN

    Government employees get every holiday there is off with pay when others have to work, often for base rates. How about making them take their holidays off without pay for the priviledge of working for the state.

    August 25, 2009 at 6:49 pm |