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August 13th, 2009
04:40 PM ET

Troop plan for Mexican border delayed over money

 How serious is the U.S. about national security if the plan to send National Guard troops to the Mexican border is being delayed over money?

How serious is the U.S. about national security if the plan to send National Guard troops to the Mexican border is being delayed over money?

FROM CNN's Jack Cafferty:

A plan to send National Guard troops to the Mexican border is being held up as our government bickers over the cost.

Pres. Obama called for the 1,500 troops in June to help stop violence from Mexican drug cartels from spilling into the U.S. The temporary boost in troops is estimated to cost $225 million.

Yet while the president was in Mexico this week spouting empty rhetoric about the U.S. doing its part to secure the border, stem the flow of drugs, weapons and money – the program to put these National Guard troops on the border is mired in arguments. The Pentagon and Homeland Security Department are mostly hung up over the money, although there are also apparently issues about where the troops would be stationed and what they would do.

This is absurd. This country has done next to nothing meaningful about border security since 9-11. And, as we've been showing on CNN every day, the Mexican drug cartels are becoming stronger and more violent. It's estimated the drug violence has already killed 11,000 people.

The U.S. border states are frustrated they haven't gotten the extra troops yet, and rightfully so. And our government can't decide who will shell out the $225 million to pay for the program.

No one is going to believe anything we say if this kind of stuff continues.

SO HERE'S THE QUESTION: How serious is the U.S. about national security if the plan to send National Guard troops to the Mexican border is being delayed over money?

Interested to know which ones made it on air?

Mike in Boca Raton, Florida
Jack, None of the recent administrations, neither Republican nor Democrat, has been truly interested in securing the Mexican border. There are several common reasons, not the least of which is votes. Other issues include: the economic impact on Mexico – by reducing money sent by illegal immigrants to relatives there, the economic impact on the U.S. – if employers had to pay Americans instead of hiring illegals and last but not least is lack of cajones on both sides of the aisle.

Peter in San Diego
Here in San Diego, they have never been serious about controlling the border. Just last night, a van carrying 42 illegal aliens drove through the border going North in the Southbound lanes…. Our borders and ports should be a high priority and the fence is just not enough on our Southern Border .We need troops and we need them now.

Ruth in Portland, Oregon
All the troops Iraq & Afghanistan should be brought home and put in charge of taking care of America - such as on the Mexican border... Plenty for them to do here at home.

B.
The U.S. is not serious at all about any border security. Are you kidding? I guess we don't have enough illegals here already, or drugs for that fact. Our national security is a joke in the eyes of other nations and in my eyes as well. Shame on you, Washington.

Tom in Bradenton, Florida
It shows that we are not serious about protecting our borders. U.S. corporations do not want to hear that they would lose cheap labor. We have all the money for the Iraq and Afghanistan borders but not for our own border. This nation is at its end. Obama is a fraud.

Bruce
Not very, it seems. Maybe somebody will actually read the 1,000 page health care bill and find a measly $225 million somewhere in there.


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soundoff (165 Responses)
  1. Storm

    Not serious at all. If they were serious they'd spend more resources on it. This country needs to secure its borders. If immigrants can sneak across then so can terrorists. The famous Bush Administration line "We're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here" doesn't fly in this case.

    August 13, 2009 at 12:49 pm |
  2. Paul Austin, Texas

    Not very Jack the National Gaurd should be used for national security. They should be left at home in their state to provide help as they were ment to be to help with floods, storms of all types and yes the boarder.
    The way I see it and have heard is the National Government wants the states to pay for such action and the states are running thin on cash now. So yes the National Gvernment should pay and get serious in this matter.

    August 13, 2009 at 12:52 pm |
  3. JD in NH

    Why are they being sent to the border? To keep Americans in? There are few decent jobs here and health care is currently rationed with 1 out of 6 uninsured. Emigration is becoming more and more attractive. Maybe some of us could locate our outsourced jobs.

    August 13, 2009 at 12:54 pm |
  4. walt Utah

    Jack,

    The current administration is not very serious about National Security.

    All they need to do is take some of the $550 million we just "saved" by not buying Madam Pelosi her personal corporate jet.

    August 13, 2009 at 12:55 pm |
  5. Melissa

    Probably quite serious. This country is obsessed with money, and frankly there are other things that need dealt with.

    August 13, 2009 at 12:56 pm |
  6. Billy in Las Vegas

    I guess there just isn't any profit for the likes of Halliburton-KBR or "XE", the mercenaries formerly known as Blackwater, in defending the southern border, Jack. otherwise their govenment lapdogs would be pouring billions into the problem like in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    besides, what would the home construction, meat packing and hotel-restaurant industries do if they couldn't get illegal aliens to exploit? they might actually have to pay decent wages to get Americans to work for them and the Republicans sure wouldn't stand for that.

    August 13, 2009 at 1:04 pm |
  7. Peg from NY

    Good question. If money can be found for Wall Street then FIND IT to secure US borders. This is not rocket science.

    August 13, 2009 at 1:06 pm |
  8. John in Norfolk

    We are not being serious at all about our national security. When US border agents who fired at a know drug smuggler fleeing back into Mexico are themselves arrested and imprisoned, we are not serious about border security. Millions of illegals swarm in and about the US – and not just in border states- and we are all too afraid to do anything about it. What's even more ludicrous is that we are actually debating whether illegals should be provided their own heatth care plan at US government expense. Here's an idea to save the cost of their care – deport them as soon as you identify them. This problem will only get worse, people; no matter how much change you hope for.

    August 13, 2009 at 1:09 pm |
  9. jenny

    Jack,
    Money? I would assume it is being delayed because of lack of personel. They are all over in the Middle East.

    August 13, 2009 at 1:09 pm |
  10. jenny

    Jack,
    How many Mexican terrorist do you know?

    August 13, 2009 at 1:10 pm |
  11. Dee in Florida

    Since our borders have NOT been secured since 9-11 I would have to say we are not serious about border security at all.

    But maybe one big reason that we have not deployed the National Guard to the Mexican border is because the NATIONAL GUARD is fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan!

    I wonder how it would work if we got OUT of those wars, brought our people home, and then tried to secure the Mexican border. Maybe then we'd have the resources!

    But, why is the MEXICAN border more important than any other means of entering this country? How many of the 9-11 terrorists were "wetbacks", or entered the U.S. through Mexico?

    August 13, 2009 at 1:18 pm |
  12. D. (Ontario)

    In my opinion a militarized border is un-American and should not be encouraged. I still maintain, and I will repeat this till I'm blue in the face, the solution to illegal immigration concerns those that hire them. Make this practice illegal and procecute those that hire, and you've solved the problem.

    August 13, 2009 at 1:19 pm |
  13. Kim, St. Thomas ON

    As a Canadian, I am always confounded by the apparent division in your citizenry's attituded toward 'defense spending' versus spending for 'social programs' such as health care, education , etc. Why are you always so willing to open your wallets for guns, tanks, and bombs but not willing to spend to provide universal care to your own people? While there are clearly pressing issues with the Mexican/US border, it is hardly a threat to your overall national security; your isolationist policies and building walls to keep others out smacks of xenophobia and exclusion which are not in line with the traditionally espoused "American values".

    August 13, 2009 at 1:20 pm |
  14. Eric from Fort Lauderdale

    Not serious enough Jack,
    Lets look at the facts when the economy tanks as it has, people in bad economic turn to crime (depending on your background and values), when they do they become perfect recruits for the cartels for quick money and a change in their personal status quo. We have seen it through stories on CNN and elsewhere. Until this problem really starts biting us at the border and moreso in major American cities we will all turn a blind eye or not give it the attention it truly deserves. As usual, people have to die so it makes the headlines. We are in a dangerous situation here. The time has come for all Americans to be upstading in their rejection of these drugs and crimes. Until we do rise up and stop being complacent this and so many other problems , this will not go away. This country needs to man up and wake up NOW!.

    August 13, 2009 at 1:20 pm |
  15. Jackie in Dallas

    That's a toughie, Jack, but I see it more as a factor of illegal immigration than National Security. Do we really expect the Mexican Nationales to come storming across our border? No, and put that way it sounds as silly as it is. Yes, illegal immigration poses serious problems to our economy, and in the case of druglords, local law enforcement, but to NATIONAL security? No. Our troops being deployed to the Mexican border are not going to protect our country from invasion by military troops, they are going in support of the Border Patrol. I'm much more concerned about the national security issues of American citizens being trained by al Qaida or other terrorist groups, or Kim over in North Korea and Zardari in Pakistan having access to nuclear weapons!

    August 13, 2009 at 1:24 pm |
  16. John from Alabama

    Jack: Having been in the Army National Guard for over 20 years this is probably a turf war between states about paying for it. If President Obama thinks it is needed now he can sign an executive order federalizing the necessary soldiers. I think the president will inform the different states privately either go to the border or go to Afgahistan. Given this choice they will be on the border yesterday. Soldiers follow orders whether they like them or not.

    August 13, 2009 at 1:24 pm |
  17. Jason, Koloa, HI

    Hopefully not very serious at all. How much money have we already spent to prevent terrorism and what is the percentage of Americans killed every year by terrorists? We have way more pressing issues that deserve money and attention than the fear mongering conservative terrorsit propaganda that was used to funnel trillions of dollars to corrupt military contractors.

    August 13, 2009 at 1:25 pm |
  18. Tom in Desoto, Tx

    The border will have to wait until healthcare is enacted. George Bush talked about border control and did nothing, healthcare was never on the table. Unless something drastic happens the border will remain in the "To Do" column

    August 13, 2009 at 1:29 pm |
  19. Russ in PA

    Other than a few select politicians, both parties could give a rat's behind about border security. Just another bit of evidence showing that both parties are more concerned about their position in the political food chain than about security for US citizens. What happens when some headless bodies start showing up in the 'burbs? Probably lots of posturing, but little else...

    August 13, 2009 at 1:31 pm |
  20. Kevin in Dallas, TX

    Well, a study has found that the number of people trying to enter the country illegally has dropped by 40% this year, so it's not as serious of a problem.

    August 13, 2009 at 1:34 pm |
  21. Richard, Syracuse, NY

    Well let me think....who was our big Anti-Terrorist President? OH Yeah Bush... And what did Bush do to secure the Border.....NOTHING.

    Yes money should be invested in securing our Southern Border. The money could be recouped by hitting the companies that hire Illegals with big fines. Add to that the idea of increased taxes collected when Legals start getting the jobs back that the Illegals have been taking away for 1/2 the pay.

    Who is to say that we do not already have a WMD in this country thanks to the wide open border.

    August 13, 2009 at 1:35 pm |
  22. Joe CE

    Bush & now Obama seem very content with an open border, Apparently no concern over drugs, terrorists, or ,millions of illegals – astounding.

    August 13, 2009 at 1:36 pm |
  23. Sandra - Temecula, CA

    It's just an excuse! Since when has NO money stopped this administration from doing what they want?

    August 13, 2009 at 1:37 pm |
  24. Paul Martin

    Hurst, Texas

    JACK,

    If US troops are withheld from defending our borders
    by the current US FEDERAL Government
    Then
    I would get agressively involved in
    "Overthrowing" this current US Federal Government

    I do not think I would be alone.

    August 13, 2009 at 1:44 pm |
  25. Mary

    Everything depends on money this country does not have.
    We have money for everything else. we gave billions away every day.
    We need to get the repersentives to get the houses in order, they need
    thier pierities in order.

    August 13, 2009 at 1:46 pm |
  26. Sue in Los Angeles,CA

    They're NOT! It's obvious this administration is weak on national security. We have plenty of money to throw away on pork projects, but nothing to secure our borders.

    August 13, 2009 at 1:52 pm |
  27. Donald F. Carey

    Jack,

    The Thirteenth Amendment abolished slavery. If the government can’t afford to pay the troops, then it matters not how much security we subjectively want. The reality is that security cost money, and taxpayers fight and fret over taxes. We constantly face tough choices over public spending. Border security is just one of many issues, and not even the most important in terms of lives placed at risk. For instance tobacco kills more Americans every year than all terrorist attacks have collectively. We even subsidized that stuff!! So the real question is how serious are WE in protecting the health and welfare of ourselves and our people? I think not very serious at all.

    Don, Idaho Falls, Idaho

    August 13, 2009 at 1:58 pm |
  28. Jack C

    If you think the Gov't is not involved in the profit of drugs – you are naive.
    Why would the Gov't protect a Drug Dealer such as in the case of the three Border Patrol people that were convicted and released two yrs later due to the public outcry.
    Jack C
    WA

    August 13, 2009 at 2:02 pm |
  29. Bill, Quarryville, Pennsylvania

    I think it is very serious. In a perfect world we would solve all our problems at once and live happily ever after. But this is not a perfect world and our gov't needs to pick their fights. But before we send our National Guard overseas to fight a war we first should send them to our own borders.

    August 13, 2009 at 2:03 pm |
  30. Terry from North Carolina

    Jack
    If it doesnt affect them the people who control the purse strings are not worried about securing our borders. The sooner troops get to the borders and make every attempt to stop the flow of illegal drugs and illegal immigrants into this country the better off all of us will be.

    August 13, 2009 at 2:08 pm |
  31. Gary H. Boyd

    Jack, Jack, Jack. Where did you get the idea there's a PLAN to improve border security? The United States has no PLAN Jack. It's a day-to-day, cobbled-together, hodge podge of band-aids on a broken arm. As an Arizona resident I can assure you that our border with Mexico has more holes in it than a Swiss cheese. It's a joke Jack - a great big joke.
    You're a funny guy and I'm still laughing.

    Gary H. Boyd, Scottsdale, Arizona

    August 13, 2009 at 2:09 pm |
  32. Kerry Diehl

    Evidently much less serious than providing trails for turtles to cross the road in Florida or protect mice in San Francisco Bay! Given all of the wasted pork laden projects included in the stimulus, it clearly indicates the priorities of Obama’s current administration. Politicians – WHAT A JOKE – I’m ready for “Operation Clean Sweep 2010” NO incumbents will be re-elected!

    August 13, 2009 at 2:09 pm |
  33. Jim

    Jack,

    The government can only do so much. People are already screaming about the money being spent. If there was an imminent crisis at the border, I'm sure we'd have troops there. For now, other spending needs get priority while we rely on current border guards and presidential diplomacy to try to stem the flow of illegal people and products from Mexico.

    Jim
    Reno, Nevada

    August 13, 2009 at 2:10 pm |
  34. Chuck, NW Arkansas

    It sounds as if the rich with political influence who are making a great deal of money from illegal drugs coming over the border are once again holding up any efforts to curtail the flow. The shareholders of arms dealers are more than eager to illegally invade Iraq, but the protection of our own borders from a serious threat is not in their interest. Where will they get their coke, their gardeners, their maids, and their cheap factory and field workers?

    August 13, 2009 at 2:13 pm |
  35. Maria

    I think we are philisophically torn between an exclusionary act some feel is immoral and a deterrent to our own freedoms and those who would build a wall a thousand miles long(or more) and never come out from behind it.

    Right now lack of money is an absolute. Thank you Bush,Cheny,Rumsfeld,and especially Congress. We are in a war. War's cost money. I think this country wants to be safe, but no one knows what building walls around the entire perimeter of the U.S. (including Canada, would accomplish.

    Brunswick,MD

    August 13, 2009 at 2:14 pm |
  36. Ed

    Just as serious as NASA not being able to track killer asteroids headed towards Earth due to a lack of money. Plan accordingly, Jack.

    Ed
    Texas

    August 13, 2009 at 2:14 pm |
  37. David of Alexandria VA

    Not very.This border should have been sealed, sealed, sealed years ago. It is inexcusable that Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama did not taken immediate care to fix this. Until this is made a priority and fixed, any concept of providing a "pathway to citizenship" for illegal aliens is a complete waste of time and an afront to Americans both native born or legally admited..

    August 13, 2009 at 2:15 pm |
  38. Tina Tx

    When you are loosing big bucks over 2 wars I am surprised we are getting anything done but I can tell we are still broke and in the cess pool. Stop the wars. Send the troop to watch for illegals sneaking across the borders. Fine the companies that hire illegals and pay our workers better wages.

    August 13, 2009 at 2:16 pm |
  39. Jack

    Jack
    What is your problem? Our congressmen and women need private jets. National security must wait it's turn.
    Jack in Florida

    August 13, 2009 at 2:18 pm |
  40. Larry from Georgetown, Texas

    Our priorities are not in order in case you and the rest of the world haven't figured that out. We are more worried about taking care of the rest of the world and just expect the working people of the U.S. to pay taxes and accept crime, violence and drugs as part of the blessing to live in OUR country.

    August 13, 2009 at 2:21 pm |
  41. Rob of Brooklyn

    Of course it was delayed - thats because they really don't want to do anything about the border problem .then when people start dying they will just be pointing fingers . doesn't make any difference who is in power – they all do absolutely nothing

    August 13, 2009 at 2:24 pm |
  42. Max Fairview, Texas

    Jack if Government was serious about border and National Security they would have done something years ago. I personally feel that it has little to do with money because the government has paper and a printing press to make all of it they want to. We have seen proof of that to almost 2 trillion dollars so far this year.
    My belief is that the government is concerned about perhaps having to send more troops to Afghanistan and that is the real reason why they are holding off on the border. The military is stretched very thin right now and the equipment is broke or wore out.

    August 13, 2009 at 2:25 pm |
  43. Bob B Orlando, Florida

    Hi Jack,

    I saw a very small 2 or 3 cylinder car the other day with a Chihuahua license plate. It must be legal to come across the border and say you are visiting Disney World or some other tourist destination. I was surprised to see this car in Orlando. I wonder what kind of insurance he has. Let's hope the terrorist don't realize we will let them in as long as they say they are going to spend their money.

    August 13, 2009 at 2:27 pm |
  44. ben stockton, calif

    this is no brainer..solution is to withdraw the troops from afganistan and iracq,, station them along our borders and shoot to kill any and all drug runners without being hauled into prison like compion and ramos.. why are we looking the other way with this problem? let mexico handle its own problems..arm all mexican citizens and ill bet you a lot of this would go away gradually. we are not going win in afganistan anyway.. a good soviet army got their butts whipped in that war,, were not going to do any better and all we will do is killand maim more troops and sink into further finincial ruin

    August 13, 2009 at 2:27 pm |
  45. Denny from Tacoma, WA

    Spending a lesser amount of money for prevention rather than a larger amount for the consistent inability to win the drug war is too novel of an idea for our politicians; savings in the long run is unheard of. Defending our country has to be on foreign soil, not on our own borders.

    August 13, 2009 at 2:33 pm |
  46. Ryan, Galesburg, IL

    Perhaps they could divert the Predator drones looking for pot on the Canadian border to the Mexican border. That would be a much more effective use of DHS resources.

    August 13, 2009 at 2:34 pm |
  47. Ken Kronebusch, Mobile, AL

    Jack, The real issue along the Mexican border is not National Security. The problems on that border continue to be illegal immigrant entries and drug cartels. National Security threats are much more likely to cross from Canada where the border is far bigger and entry far less likely to be detected. It is going to take more than National Guard Troops to properly police the boders into this country. Money would be better spent on satellite survellience type technologies to detect crossover movements and the Air Mobile ability to intercept. Beefed up Border Patrol with Air Mobile ability can handle the job with the crossover/movement technology.

    August 13, 2009 at 2:36 pm |
  48. D.J.Lauter

    Since when is money more important than our national security? They could eliminate some of private planes, perks, deport more illegals to save, and other things to find a little money, plus, if they were serious, I imagine there are millions of people that would donate some cash to see the program go ahead. They would save billions in the long run by not having to pay for medical care, prison beds, welfare, etc for the Mexican citizens sneaking in here.
    Doris Lauter
    Ojai, California

    August 13, 2009 at 2:36 pm |
  49. Fred R Deleon

    Troops Plan for mexican border is probably a good plan and should not be set apart over money.
    Congress was about to spend $ 550M on those not needed jets. Bike tail, swine Plan, Etc, etc.

    August 13, 2009 at 2:44 pm |
  50. Kevin in CA

    Actually, the delay doesn't say anything – we're still as serious about boarder security as we've always been – reference 12 million illegals in the US.

    August 13, 2009 at 2:45 pm |
  51. Bob Morrison

    It's just ridiculous to me to think that the U.S. would put the dollar ahead of national security, I also think that getting that situation under control and dealing with the illeagals that are here now would have a great impact on some/alot of the cost of the presidents healthcare plan that i do support.

    I have a couple question's for you: Do you think that the only thing keeping us from a full blown depression is the extension of unemplyment benefits, and do you think we will go into a depression if the extensions run out or are stopped? Reno NV,

    August 13, 2009 at 2:46 pm |
  52. Terry, Chandler AZ

    The cost of not sending troops to protect the U.S. – Mexican I believe border exceeds the cost of sending troops to the border. Perhaps some day we will know why our government refuses to take strong measures to protect the border.

    August 13, 2009 at 3:03 pm |
  53. Curly

    The way this administration if spending OUR money, they can't be very serious about national security by delaying this. In my opinion the greatest threat to national security in this country is located in Washington DC: in the White House, House of Representatives and Congress. Thes elected officials have proven they don't care for many years. All they care about is their wallets being padded by the many useless lobbyists. It is time that the lobbyists get tossed out of Washington DC and let the people decide where their best interests are.

    Curly
    Ashland, Wi.

    August 13, 2009 at 3:03 pm |
  54. Debbie, AZ

    The government wants the illegals to be here, so they aren't going to stop them. That has been very evident since this mass invasion started. If you or I owed the IRS money, they'd hunt us down. There is no legitimacy that the government cannot control the borders.
    The illegals are here, because business and politicians want them here. What you see is what you get.

    August 13, 2009 at 3:03 pm |
  55. Mike from Denver

    Jack, there was more fight and urgency to spend twice as much to buy a bunch of planes for Congress that no one needed than to secure our borders. Maybe if we reorganize the National Guard as a bank or car company they could get some quick cash.

    August 13, 2009 at 3:13 pm |
  56. Kathy

    Think that heathcare should be completely reformed. Because I myself haven't had any health care for over 10 yrs. now. Just wish I could get a job to be able to afford it. Have tried looking for a job for 3 yrs. now. Have filled out more applications than you can shake a stick at! What is wrong with this country? Why can't poor people like myself get any help what so ever? All I'm trying to do right now is survive. Since I can't get a job, that means no car and that also means no student loans to attend a school due to no credit. Thanks, Kathy

    August 13, 2009 at 3:19 pm |
  57. bobwhite in Kansas

    Not doing the things we say we will do, even not being able to do much of anything, is a very serious problem. It is so serious, already, that nobody believes what we say, now. And that is true both here in the US and in every other country of the world. Why not Keep our word? Because of the crooks and liars; no longer exclusively politicians, big corporations and the party of "no." The US can't get anything done anymore, and nothing like truth, integrity, morals, character or the law stands in the way of the crooks and liars.

    August 13, 2009 at 3:20 pm |
  58. Carl D.

    Jack,
    Our government isn't very serious about this issue at all. There content to do nothing and allow the Mexican people to carry drugs across our border, break into the United States and steal free medical, free Schooling and Education,Food stamps, Social Security and create Anchor babies. This to most of our worthless government officials is cheaper than enforcing illegal immigration. Jack would you please post on your show Mexico's immigration policy, they have no use for illegal aliens at all, and do away with them very quickly. To stop illegal immigration in the United States, the answer is simple, the United States needs to adopt and enforce Mexico's immigration policy and laws.
    Carl in Illinois

    August 13, 2009 at 3:29 pm |
  59. Alex in Seattle

    It is very sad that we can't control our porous border. The last administration abused the rights of citizens in the name of security and yet we still don't have a good handle on the millions who have violated our laws and national sovereignty by merely being here. This extremely serious problem needs to be addressed and if it takes the National Guard, so be it

    August 13, 2009 at 3:32 pm |
  60. Carl D.

    Carl D. August 13th, 2009 3:29 pm ET
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    Jack,
    Our government isn’t very serious about this issue at all. There content to do nothing and allow the Mexican people to carry drugs across our border, break into the United States and steal free medical, free Schooling and Education,Food stamps, Social Security and create Anchor babies. This to most of our worthless government officials is cheaper than enforcing illegal immigration. Jack would you please post on your show Mexico’s immigration policy, they have no use for illegal aliens at all, and do away with them very quickly. To stop illegal immigration in the United States, the answer is simple, the United States needs to adopt and enforce Mexico’s immigration policy and laws.
    Carl in Illinois

    August 13, 2009 at 3:35 pm |
  61. David in Raleigh, NC

    Until Obama puts troops on the border to stop illegal immigration, there should be no discussion of granting amnesty to the illegal immigrants already in this country.

    August 13, 2009 at 3:36 pm |
  62. ed in ri

    Jack; I think the border states could get their funding by simply having Congress only buy four jets instead of the eight they ordered.
    And I don't have a degree in economics.

    August 13, 2009 at 3:37 pm |
  63. steve

    Anyone who thinks that our current government is at all concerned about border or port security probably owns plenty of swampland..

    August 13, 2009 at 3:42 pm |
  64. Frank from Peterborough

    There are two major factors in the American Government that pretty much destroy any chance of them being able to resolve any of the Country's domestic problems.

    Of course the two major factors are Corporate America that owns the Congress and the Pentagon that owns the White House.

    You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out the two main issues of these controlling interests are profits regardless of what country these come from and in military expansion and spending.

    August 13, 2009 at 3:43 pm |
  65. Conor in Chicago

    I think this fact proves something I’ve been arguing my whole life: Our Global Military Empire puts us at risk far more than it does any good-at least for the average citizen. Would we be having this problem if we didn’t bases in over 80 countries around the globe that cost in excess of $250 Billion just to maintain? You do the math…

    August 13, 2009 at 3:44 pm |
  66. sandrine

    Just wait until the cartels cross the boarder and start killing U.S. citizens. I can guarantee that somewhere, somehow the money will be found for NG troops. perhaps those screaming nuts at the town hall meetings could blow some hot air in the direction of something that REALLY MATTERS - BOARDER SECURITY! It's not just the drug cartels we need to worry about.

    August 13, 2009 at 3:45 pm |
  67. Jerry B. Oklahoma City, OK

    Jack our leaders aren't serious at all. If they were they would have done something to stop the flow of illegal aliens and drugs into this country long ago. They talk a good talk but when it comes down to walking the walk...well they just walk way.

    It is time that we put the National Guard on our border with the orders "shoot to kill". We need a wall about 20' high, 5' thick w/ razor wire along the top going the entire border with guard towers. A nice buffer zone before the wall with anti-personnel mines would be helpful to.

    If you want to enter the USA, I'm all for it, but do it LEGALLY. Round up the illegals and drop them off at the border. No health care, irregardless of age or sex. If they were born in the US that makes them citizens, the parents get a choice, take them with you are put them up for adoption in the US.

    August 13, 2009 at 3:48 pm |
  68. AndyZ Lynn, MA

    Our border security is a sad joke. We have the technology to seal our borders so that even a gnat can cross. And this includes all incoming drug traffic. Why don't we enforce our own laws? Why don't we secure our borders? With business demanding cheap labor, their campaign contributions to political candidates ensure that no action will ever be taken. Our problem is very simple" we have all of the technology to stop all illegal immigration and drug traffic our problem is that we don't have the will. Remeber, each job that an illegal holds creates one unemployed American!

    August 13, 2009 at 3:54 pm |
  69. Lynne Parker in N. Augusta, SC

    I fail to see how people coming across the border to die in the fields so we can have cheap tomatoes has anything to do with national security. Getting away from dependence on oil, reinstalling regulations on Wall Street, campaign finance reform, universal health care: these are much, much more pertinent to national security.

    August 13, 2009 at 3:54 pm |
  70. Julie in Lansing

    President Obama, a few days ago said they couldn't take up another project until the health care initiative is solved. Regardless, sending National Guard troops to the border is a bad mistake. We already have too many men and woman's lives at stake. We'd be stuck in a quagmire for years and still not be able to stop the drugs and foreigners from coming into the country via Mexico. We have no money to pay for the project. Send the CIA. They are already paid.

    August 13, 2009 at 3:56 pm |
  71. Michael "C" Lorton, Virginia

    Jack: How serious is the US about anything--except "money?"

    August 13, 2009 at 3:57 pm |
  72. Stephanie from Orlando, FL

    Our borders are our first defense against terrorism, illegal's and drug traffic. I would think maybe instead of lear jets for the congress, we could pay for this. I amstarting to think if there is no real benefit to anyone in congress so why bother. Everything they do these days seem to be a quid quo pro.

    August 13, 2009 at 3:58 pm |
  73. Angelica, Birmingham, AL

    The violence in this city has escalated to unheard of levels since illegals began to flood in. And it's no longer limited to the "bad" parts of town. Earlier this year, five were slain execution-style in an exclusive apartment community. Hookers were on parade in front of the neighborhood drugstore not long ago, and I had to explain to my granddaughter that she could no longer go in the store for candy alone. This is in a nice area of town. Murders have skyrocketed. So has prostitution. The city is going broke trying to take care of all of them because most are using public services - they have no jobs. I found three of them sleeping in my front yard in the middle of the day. And I am certain there are some nice, law abiding people in Mexico but they must be staying there. . Our borders need to be rigorously guarded and made impermeable.

    August 13, 2009 at 4:00 pm |
  74. rlandschoot

    will they wait until cartel members manage to open our border through terrorism. Funny how this country's honchos so afraid of turf loss they'll jeopardize the country!

    August 13, 2009 at 4:04 pm |
  75. Ruie - Brownstown

    Dear Jack: In the first place, our illustrious Congress holds the purse strings - they should decide which pool it comes out of – and fast! Also, just as a side note - why when everyone talks about "the border" it's only the MEXICAN border they refer to? Living near Detroit, I know there are thousands of people every day coming across the bridge. In some of the northern plain states, there's not even a fence!

    August 13, 2009 at 4:05 pm |
  76. Scott from wausau wi

    It's funny when the to big to fails needed money it was almost immediate .But when it comes to boarder issues it's always talk but no action.If we need money for boarder protection were sending the wrong people.Put the ones whining about the money on the boarder to camp out for a while I bet the money would flow and they would know exactly where to station the troops.

    August 13, 2009 at 4:06 pm |
  77. honestjohn in Vermont

    No troops and no money for securing the borders is pure utter folly and displays that Congress and Obama do not take it very seriously. But we have plenty of money for the banks???

    August 13, 2009 at 4:06 pm |
  78. Phil-Wenatchee, WA

    Jack, I think the US is serious about national security but is mired down in bureaucracy. I just wonder if the legalization of marijuana would have a dramatic impact on this important issue. To me it looks like a LOT of money and tax revenue could be saved and garnered by legalization of same.

    August 13, 2009 at 4:10 pm |
  79. john ........ marlton, nj

    Jack, putting troops on the Mexican border would confuse the troops Our troops in Afganistain protect herion drug lords and on the Mexican border they go after drug lords... how confusing is that !

    August 13, 2009 at 4:10 pm |
  80. Geri - Mead, Ok

    I've written more times than once since 9/11, that it is illogical to believe we have a terrorist threat when we leave our southern and northern borders open allowing upwards of 1 million people to cross our borders every year. Therefore, minus and actual terrorist threat to our country it's easy for the different federal agencies to squabble and continue to waste our money doing practically nothing definitive or substantive about national or border security.

    Geri – Mead, Ok

    August 13, 2009 at 4:11 pm |
  81. Sly, Alpena, Mi

    When it comes to the "Mexican Border", and the National Guards, it seems to me that President Bush never left the White House. "Same Ole, Same Ole".

    August 13, 2009 at 4:12 pm |
  82. Pablo in Arlington Texas

    Jack
    No bucks; No Buck Rogers. Or in this case, buck privates.
    We get the government protection we deserve and that's the protection we are willing to pay for.
    Holler though we might about high taxes, in reality we are the least taxed of the modern industrial democracies. For the last 20 years have become accustomed to the Reagan Bush Finance Method of putting everything on the cuff and letting the next Democrat in office figure out how to pay off the debt. That, by happy coincidence, also insures that the Democrats can be tagged as the party of tax and spend. Pretty clever, No?

    Pablo
    Arlington Texas

    August 13, 2009 at 4:15 pm |
  83. Pugas-AZ

    Talk about a paper tiger. The country has under funded this threat response for years and has allowed political considerations to slow progress in many areas. Where is Teddy Roosevelt when we need him?

    August 13, 2009 at 4:16 pm |
  84. Don in Minden, Louisiana

    Violence only begets violence. I sure wouldn't want to get a letter saying my son died to stop some loser in Los Angeles from sticking their paycheck up their nose. Here's a better solution: regulate narcotics like alcohol and watch the Mexican economy boom. I'm sure the Mexicans would rather be home growing our pot in safety than over here picking our fruit and vegetables in the shadows.

    August 13, 2009 at 4:19 pm |
  85. charles applewhite

    its a true problem,if we allow crime and drugs to continue to flow accross our border we mat well end up in deep catcat[latin] the need for troops is obvious and any price is reasonable. maybe we can sell some part of that stupid fence to defray costs.,

    August 13, 2009 at 4:20 pm |
  86. Kevin From Bend Oregon

    Its funny that we do not have enough money to Send National guard troops to keep our borders safe but yet we have money to fund the afghanistan war and we have money for f18 bombers and we have money to be waisted on fixing the national mall in dc. Wow that is Pork Barreling if i have seen it. We need troops on the borders to keep this Mexican Drug Cartel from Entering our country. Jack these senators and congressmen our jokes you and wolf can be better senators and congressmen.

    August 13, 2009 at 4:20 pm |
  87. Jim/NC

    Jack, I cannot believe you are surprised. You fell for the wonderful rhetoric of President Obama. Live with it.

    August 13, 2009 at 4:21 pm |
  88. Lynn, Columbia, Mo..

    It's a Catch 22 situation. Obama will be damned if he sends troops and damned if he doesn't. He can't win, even if he legalizes drugs.

    August 13, 2009 at 4:23 pm |
  89. Tom Mytoocents Fort Lauderdale Florida

    Jack
    This sounds like a great story for a journalist such as Sixty Minutes to expose who is really in charge and follow the story all the way to Congress.
    In the mean time I suugest we take the 22 million criminal illeagle aliens already in the US give them citizenship (if they will take it) and give them all jobs in US Border Patrol. Surely with 22 million people even a idiot could control the border, The cost would be minimal since they're already here they might as well get a shovel and help!!!!!

    August 13, 2009 at 4:25 pm |
  90. Ann from Hampton, New Jersey

    Not a lot, but if there was some small insect that may be extinct if we build or grow anything in their territory, I find it amusing that the Congress can find all sorts of money to stop it, even if it means farmers will lose their crops and livelihood. Lots of pork in Congress.

    August 13, 2009 at 4:27 pm |
  91. Mike in Greenville, TX

    It sounds like politics as usual to me. I would bet the administration including the two mentioned departments are very serious about it but in the back ground you would find Senators and Congressmen fighting over not giving the money to either if the troops do not go to their states. What to do with them? Well maybe, just maybe, when the drones spot 20 people carrying packs of drugs in the desert and the border patrol is assigned elsewhere they could fill in and pick them up. I know that makes sense but when they do get there the will probably patrol the areas that are under video cameras.

    August 13, 2009 at 4:29 pm |
  92. Dennis North Carolina

    we need border control.

    August 13, 2009 at 4:29 pm |
  93. Rory Murray

    Jack,
    I would gladly pay the National Guard or I.C.E. a penny a head for every low-life illegal alien they could round up. Just think if everybody chipped in the same amount, we'd solve the problem. Next case, please...
    Rory M.
    California

    August 13, 2009 at 4:30 pm |
  94. Sharon

    Yet, we have an extra 2 BILLION dollars for cash for clunkers?! I'm no finance wizard, but that just doesn't make sense to me.

    Byram, New Jersey

    August 13, 2009 at 4:30 pm |
  95. Kerry Florida

    Jack,

    If we sent all of our National Guard troops we have available in the U.S. now it wouldn't cover the entire border. Now if we didn't have hundreds of thousands of troops in Irag and not be spending billions per month there, that's another issue.

    August 13, 2009 at 4:31 pm |
  96. Annie Naples FL

    Nothing serious is every done about the border. God forbid we should insult Mexico and enforce our national security. This is simply idiodic. Transportation Services Administration costs millions and inconveniences the American citizen who flies on an airplane with ridiculous rules, regulations, pat downs while money to secure our border is never spent. And sad to say Obama is no better than Bush was. What a disappointment. When something happens then they will pay attention to the ports and our borders being secured. Then it will be a little late.

    August 13, 2009 at 4:32 pm |
  97. Kevin Washington

    Send the troops, protect the boder, spend the money
    close the issue.
    I am tired of hearing about cost ,when we as a nation no
    what has to be done. Protect the border

    Kevin CA.

    August 13, 2009 at 4:36 pm |
  98. Cameron Xavier McLinden, Brooklyn

    You're right, but I don't think this is quite as important as you make it seem. You say this is to protect the U.S. from cartel violence spill-over, but you then say "No one is going to believe anything WE say if this kind of stuff continues." Because of "we," I have to assume you mean other countries such as Mexico, in which Obama has spread his "empty rhetoric." I am sure they would be much more interested in the issues that lead to the cartel violence – poverty, U.S. drug users, poor educations etc. If we want to protect our border and improve foreign relations, we need to lend aid and ideas to eradicate poverty, fix our drug dependence and better educate all. Troops are a band-aid, an expensive one.

    August 13, 2009 at 4:39 pm |
  99. SHARON: Anchorage, Alaska

    Not serious at all. Bush failed us seriously here; as ALL monies, work involved & staffing should have been completed in 2001/02. If Obama does not completely correct the problem during 2009/10; I will hold him accountable. POTUS, don’t blame the past president, just fix the problem NOW.

    August 13, 2009 at 4:39 pm |
  100. Overby from Melbourne

    I feel terrible knowing Obama is using my tax dollars to buy cars for other people, bail out loser auto companies, bail out banks, bail out insurance companies, but somehow I think I'd feel alright if he took that money of ours to help defend our borders. Obama and his cronies need an injection of logic.

    August 13, 2009 at 4:39 pm |
  101. Burt

    We have plenty of money to protect Iraq and Afganistan's borders but none to protect our own. Insane!
    Burt in Sun Lakes, Az.

    August 13, 2009 at 4:40 pm |
  102. C.K. of Colorado

    I think our safety would be priority, not money. This is typical of the U.S. and we'll pay for it with innocent lives.

    August 13, 2009 at 4:40 pm |
  103. Kelly, PA

    It tells me that Bush left this country a hot mess with a lot of unresolved issues for someone else to sort out!

    August 13, 2009 at 4:41 pm |
  104. Pamela holt

    Foley,al. Allowing the influx of illegal immigrants to contour cross our borders in the first place was a threat to our national security to begin with, as there was no way to distinguish as to how many were actual terroists . Now, we don" t even know as go how many of the murders being perputrated against our citizens are already being committed by terroists. Do we really believe our leaders are concerned about how many more will be murdered by those that CONTINUE,to bring violance across our birders. As long as their kin isn"t affected by it. And let"s not forget, president Obama wants to open the door open to the illegals that've
    are here, to legalization. I just wonder how he will know which ones are criminals and terroists. Maybe he will ask for a show of hands and they will hold them up. Let" s look at the bright side , when 2012 comes maybe we"ll have a democrat in the white house ,again....

    August 13, 2009 at 4:41 pm |
  105. Dennis St.Augustine, Florida

    Jack we need the border troops NOW! Not only to stop the drugs but also illegal immigrants. We the American Citizens can use the work thats being given to the illegals. I also beleive we should tighten the noose on the Cities, and States allowing this to happen.

    August 13, 2009 at 4:43 pm |
  106. Agnes from Scottsdale, AZ

    Jack: There are many issues that need "immediate" attention. Border security is probably not at the top, The GOP is going to continue to be the part of "no." When the congress convenes the Dem majority need to determine what's important and get the financial committment to make it hapen. This problem did not just get started on January 20, 2009. W had 8 years to make a dent in this issue – a lot of good that did! The good news is that people are speaking out and putting pressure on Washington to do something – or not – maybe it's just another balloon that the GOP want to float for the appearances of making the President look ineffective. The money is out there – the GOP is looking for another fake "issue" to hoist on the Dems.

    August 13, 2009 at 4:45 pm |
  107. Jackie in Dallas

    Jack, I see this issue more as a factor of illegal immigration than National Security. Do we really expect the Mexican Nationales to come storming across our border? No, and put that way it sounds as silly as it is. Yes, illegal immigration poses serious problems to our economy, and in the case of druglords, to our local law enforcement, but to NATIONAL security? No. Is the problem escalating? Yes. Will it go critical in the next 12 months? Doubtful Our troops being deployed to the Mexican border are not going to protect our country from invasion by military troops, they are going in support of the Border Patrol.

    I’m much more concerned about real national security issues like American citizens being trained by al Qaida or other terrorist groups, or Kim over in North Korea and Zardari in Pakistan having access to nuclear weapons!

    August 13, 2009 at 4:46 pm |
  108. Diane Dagenais Turbide

    As it is reported now, it sounds quite ridiculous for the U.S. not being able to figure out the money aspect at a time when the U.S. needs to be serious about this mexican border security issue!

    August 13, 2009 at 4:54 pm |
  109. Donald, Canton, NC

    Is not President Obama the Commander-in-Chief, and are not these two Departments suborniate to his orders?

    Why the bickering? If they can't agree on this then fire the two Chiefs and get someone who can implement the President's directives.

    This in a no brainer!!!

    August 13, 2009 at 4:54 pm |
  110. david doherty

    Gee Jack, just think if we had that fence built, wouln't that be a great defensive position. Alas its not to be, I guess we can just draw a line in the sand and tell them not to cross it, that otta work, don't ya think?

    Dave from NH.

    August 13, 2009 at 4:57 pm |
  111. B

    The US. is not serious at all about any border security.Are you kidding..? I guess we don't have enough illegals here already, or drugs for that fact. Our National Security is a joke in the eyes of other nations and in my eyes as well. Shame on you,Washington.

    August 13, 2009 at 4:58 pm |
  112. Robert in Fayetteville, Ar.

    Some quick research on the internet shows that the U.S. has military personel deployed in at least 39 countries and accounts for about 50 per cent of world military expenditures. Why do they need more money to protect our own border?

    August 13, 2009 at 5:01 pm |
  113. Randy T

    Not serious at all. On one hand, the american people could be protected against drug cartels and illegal aliens for 225 million dollars and it's too expensive? On the other hand, they want to give one wall street trader a 100 million dollar bonus (taxpayer money) to do the job that he wouldn't have had if it weren't for the taxpayer bailouts. When is silly season over?

    August 13, 2009 at 5:07 pm |
  114. Tom, Bradenton, FL

    It shows that we are not serious about protecting our borders. US corporation do not want to hear that they would lose cheap labor. We have all the money for the Iraq and Afghanistan border but not for our own border. This nation is at its end. Obama is a fraud.

    August 13, 2009 at 5:07 pm |
  115. Peter San Diego, Ca.

    Here in San Diego they have never been serious about controling the border. Just last night a van carrying 42 Illegal Aliens drove through the border going North in the Southbound lanes. The Mexican Border guards had shot at the van and it finally came to a stop about four miles into the San Diego city limits on Rt. 905... Our borders and ports should be a high priority for our National Security and the fence is just not enough on our Southern Border..We need troops and we need them now....

    August 13, 2009 at 5:08 pm |
  116. Miss M in Phoenix

    "This country has done next to nothing meaningful about border security since 9-11."

    Gotta disagree with you there Jack. As the wife of a Border Patrol agent supervisor (he's been on the job more than 12 years) it's not true that the country has done nothing meaningful about border security. Visit the border ... look at the new, heavily staffed border patrol stations. Border patrol has increased staff by thousands. Agents now have sophisticated weapons, more training and high tech equipment. On top of that, it's tougher to get into the Border Patrol then it was 10 or so years ago. It's true that Border Patrol is out-funded and out-gunned by the drug cartels ... and the smuggling rings have public sentiment and sympathy on their side so border patrol sometimes seems to be fighting a losing battle ... but BP agents work hard and they do a good job. Before knocking the system, take a look at how many drugs they've confiscated over the years - some pretty scary numbers.

    Miss M in Phoenix

    August 13, 2009 at 5:10 pm |
  117. RetVet

    Jack,

    The United States is 'NOT AT ALL' serious about National Security as a whole, non-the-less when it comes to sending troops to the Mexican border...how could we when Drug Cartels are taking control of States as we bicker and go to War with each other over Health Care!!!

    August 13, 2009 at 5:13 pm |
  118. Barbara in NC

    WHY do you constantly complain about what MY president has to do to clean up the mess of the IDIOT-IN-CHIEF we had for 8 years who only padded his and his cronies pockets?????

    If you hadn't cleaned your kitchen in 8 years, how long would it take you to get thru the built-up GRIME??? And what would it cost???

    Think for a change.

    August 13, 2009 at 5:14 pm |
  119. Alexander Mackenzie

    I would to know the real thinking in Washington. Giving "instate college tuition", school space, emergency (or less) health care, drivers permits, ID numbers to allow for opening bank accounts, and credit cards, child care payments if the woman manages to have a baby on this side of the border, citizenship for said children, even if both parents are non-citizens in the country illegally, hmmm maybe they are not so interested in controlling our borders as they pretend as the are in preventing ICE, police, Minutemen, Border Patrol (who go to prison if they shoot a multi-time drug runner in the butt). The talk since 9/11 has certainly let any terrorists know just how serious we are and which route to take into the country). Did I mention "sanctuary cities?" Guard members on the border, but un-armed? Sure Washington is serious, very serious indeed, just not in preventing illegal entry.
    Rochester, New Hampshire

    August 13, 2009 at 5:18 pm |
  120. Nell, Clemson, South Carolina

    I don't agree that the U.S. has done nothing about border security since 9-11. One of the most useful new tools is the use of drones. It would be helpful if the U.S. put a stop to sending weapons to Mexico, which can be done only if we close loopholes for selling guns at gun shows in the U.S. Unfortunately, the National Rifle Association cares more about getting concealed weapons into National Parks than stopping the flow of guns to Mexico.

    August 13, 2009 at 5:19 pm |
  121. Linda in Arizona

    Hahaha. As serious as they EVER were, at LEAST. I live 5 miles from the Mexican border. I really don't care if they send the National Guard to support the Border Patrol, which they did before when Napolitano was governor, but I don't want to see the border militarized. The reason Congress, in its wisdom, doesn't want to send the Guard is that they want open borders so the illegal aliens can continue to cross and provide cheap labor to their business and agricultural constituents. Don't look for that to change anytime soon.

    August 13, 2009 at 5:20 pm |
  122. Sean Emert Lock Haven PA

    I think the Dems are to busy worrying bout more important things like it should be. Are debt is out of control we should make pot legal and considering things like coke addiction as a disease instead of a crime.

    August 13, 2009 at 5:22 pm |
  123. DON IN WESTPORT, MASS.

    I have a solution to the money problem. We are looking to cut down the prison population by letting prisoners out early. Why can't we utilize them along the border. It can be voluntary. They would love it.
    Build prisons all along the border states. Train them and arm them with bats and stun guns. Of course there would have to special handling of the prisoners in this case.
    Hell, we have boot camps don't we. We just need to improvise a little.

    August 13, 2009 at 5:24 pm |
  124. James

    The Republicans & Democrats both have no desire to secure the Southern boarder due to the simple fact that they wish not to offend the Latino voters. That is why the border fence isn't being built. That's why the 2010 census will include "illegal immigrants” thus allowing them to justify more congressional seats. Let's see, "illegal immigrants" cost us billions of dollars a year in free health care, Billions of dollars a year in vehicle insurance claims. Billions of dollars a year in law enforcement costs and that is just three items. Their payment in federal taxes doesn’t even come close to offsetting this. You take those final totals and that's money wasted that could have gone to health care for all Americans and we wouldn't be fighting over this stupid health care bill today. But remember Ted Kennedy years ago promised that if we give them ammisty now, "4 million" that they'd secure the border and we'd never be in that situation again. Fast forward a few decades and here we are repeating the mistakes of the past, but it's "20 or 30 million" now. That's a huge voting block.

    August 13, 2009 at 5:38 pm |
  125. Jon from CA

    about national security in general? pretty serious. about border security? not so serious. security for planes, trains, and ships have improved but border protection and detection continues to lower. if we continue to ignore the mexican drug problem, the violence will just spread north since thats where their funding comes from.

    August 13, 2009 at 5:57 pm |
  126. Keith

    Since when is the federal government under control of a state's National Guard troops unless they're federalized?
    If it's do bad for the border states, why don't their governors activate their state's units?
    Declare the area a disaster area and apply for federal funding.
    Put up some tents and relocate the Guard units armories to the border cities.

    August 13, 2009 at 6:16 pm |
  127. Karl from SF, CA

    You mean we can find billions and trillions for unwarranted wars in God forsaken hell holes, but we can’t find 225 million to protect ourselves at our own borders? How about pumping up the Border Patrol budget and pay them that way, since that is what they will be doing. As for their duties, isn’t there a manual for the Border Patrol agents? Come on, get with the program. It not re-inventing the wheel.

    August 13, 2009 at 6:18 pm |
  128. Robert

    Seems to me the question is mute. The US Government doesn't enforce the immigration laws on the books. Any discussion about spending any money is ludicrous. And what have we done to deny the spread of guns and ammo to Mexico? Might be a good question!

    Robert

    August 13, 2009 at 6:19 pm |
  129. jim laws

    No troops here in az. to many do gooders want the cheap labor,and drugs

    August 13, 2009 at 6:19 pm |
  130. Gary Ryan

    evidently,not very serious if obama can't make up his mind as to what to do.we need them there ,NOW.stop fighting over the cost or we all aren't going to have a country to live in peacefully if we don't get them there!!
    wake up Obama,this is your country your fighting about not a cheeze donut!!

    August 13, 2009 at 6:19 pm |
  131. Casper Wilhlem

    Bakersfield, CA 93311
    The solution is quite simple send rthe 250 million to the heads of drug cartel and they can distribute it as bonuses just as the banks did.
    Casper

    August 13, 2009 at 6:20 pm |
  132. m armstrong texas

    Jack it showe's that the present administration is careless with our national security and allowing a bad situation to get worst.

    August 13, 2009 at 6:20 pm |
  133. Annie, Atlanta

    Call me naïve, but I’d like to give President Obama the benefit of the doubt here. We may not have the whole story. Going up against these drug cartels could end up in war. I’d like to see my government think first before waging war with Mexico.

    August 13, 2009 at 6:21 pm |
  134. Gary Walborn

    Jack,
    I'm glad I'm not a Congressman. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. I believe the problem lies with the GOP, who have convinced the American public that we can have no taxes and no deficit. Of course, we know this can only happen if the government provides no services. A public that demands that everything be paid for and refuses to pay enough in taxes should expect that many things they think the government should do will not be done. Maybe we should put a bigger emphasis on arithmetic in our schools so Americans could do the math.

    Gary W
    Youngstown, OH

    August 13, 2009 at 6:21 pm |
  135. Ann Perry Garland Tx

    The President should put them there and tell them to pay the bill.The only way he can get anything done.We have a lot of nutty people out there and they just want to argue.We need protection.

    August 13, 2009 at 6:21 pm |
  136. Robert

    What happened to travelers being required to have Passports and, if they work in the US, Visas. Mexico requires if from US citizens traveling and working in Mexico. How can an illegal person in the United States have any rights or consideration by this society? Just amazing.

    August 13, 2009 at 6:22 pm |
  137. Wade

    Not very serious, Jack. We go to fight a foreign war to protect our country from terrorists, but leave a 1500 mile border wide open? If they can drive planes into buildings, dont you think they could get a dirty bomb across the border? It's a joke, Jack. We're on a rudderless ship in a hurricane and the Captain "our politicians" are drunk in quarters. Last one to leave, please turn out the lights.

    August 13, 2009 at 6:23 pm |
  138. Fred Dean Weaver Oklahoma City

    Jack As long as Americas buy Illigal Drug Nothing will work anyway. When Americas Stob buying Drugs demand for Drugs will dry up and drug deallers will go somewere else for drug money.

    August 13, 2009 at 6:23 pm |
  139. Flyingwolf, Manchester NH

    I think that Congress is more serious about losing contributors who use illegal workers on their huge plantations. They should remember that the US loses more money on illegal immigration and drug trafficking than they ever would on sending troops to the border. Maybe those congresspeople should use the contributions they get from agribusinesses who use illegals to pay for the troops. They'd probably still have enough left over for junkets and other frivolities.

    August 13, 2009 at 6:23 pm |
  140. Paul

    I don't know, Jack. Ask a Republican legislator if they are scared enough
    and want to go further into debt. They're the experts on fear-mongering.
    PL

    August 13, 2009 at 6:26 pm |
  141. Gary Ryan

    1.you can't afford the troops;here's a solution;mine the entire boarder.that should get the point across that we don't want them here.
    2.Make Mexico part of the united states.then we can clean up the country and every body's legal!

    August 13, 2009 at 6:26 pm |
  142. MaryAnne Kowalczyk

    Jack,
    Congress has more than enough to fund the National Guard being placed along the border between Mexico and the United States. On January 1, 2009, each member of Congress received at least $4,700 as a cost of living increase. If they pass the needed bill right NOW, Congress would return to the government $2,514,400! That is more than enough for a program projected to cost only $200,000+,

    August 13, 2009 at 6:27 pm |
  143. David, Venice,FL

    As soon as our congressmen figure out how to personally profit in a war here at home we will invade our own borders rather than the ones in the middle east. They cannot make anything when dealing with a lowley 225 million dollar figure, we need to spend a few hundred billion so a few hundred million can fall through the cracks in campaign contributions and such. Luxury jets in that amount are voted on without batting an eye, as usual I don't think we are getting the whole story here, we are just the stupid taxpayers

    August 13, 2009 at 6:27 pm |
  144. Steve Armantrout

    How about we send no troops, and spend no money and instead legelize marijuana? The "cartels" make 65% of their money on marjuana, seems like that might hurt them. When is this country going to wake-up that the war on drugs is and always has been a total failure and akin to insanity.

    August 13, 2009 at 6:27 pm |
  145. Lucy

    Politicians are truly disconnected from what's really going on if they think they actually have the luxury to debate about money. I've lived in DC, it really is completely isolated from the reality that is the rest of the world. Personally, I would like to see these cartel's disempowered, possibly by legalizing marijuana, which I think is a large bulk of their business. I probably sound like a broken record...but I'm another unemployed Californian. Anyway, back to the actual issue, as long as the politicians live in their bubble on Capitol Hill, this type of thing is to be expected.
    Lucy
    SF, CA

    August 13, 2009 at 6:28 pm |
  146. gerry in georgia

    How can those selfish border states our to help by sending troops down there when Afganistan is in such turmoil? A country has to have priorities.

    August 13, 2009 at 6:28 pm |
  147. Kim, South Carolina

    Hey Jack,

    How serious is the U.S. about a national security plan to send National Guard troops to the Mexican border…?...about as serious as passing a health reform care bill that will cost about 2.2 trillion…nodda!

    August 13, 2009 at 6:28 pm |
  148. Andre R. Newcomb

    Kind of depends on how many af y'all's boys have to be bribed to be good, doesn't it? AND who comes up with the most money to bribe the media (advertizers) on just exactly how you're going to maneuver the government . . . this time! But meanwhile, here on the border, I watch these dirt-poor farmers deliver money to businesses THEY have connections with AND I get to experience foods THEY kiss while 'I' get to brown-nose your sons and daughters because THEY are here to save me. Been here 45 years . . . and am STILL waiting for America to arrive . . . while Wolf blitzes our senses with our necessities.

    Andy of Sierra Vista, Arizona

    August 13, 2009 at 6:29 pm |
  149. Barbara Spangler

    Dear Jack,
    I do not believe the president is serious about securing our border with Mexico since he has failed to send national guard troops. In 2005 remittances or contributions sent by Mexicans living abroad, mostly in the U.S. to their families at home in Mexico comprised $18 billion. If the president doesn't want to secure the border between the U.S. and Mexico, why don't we just buy Mexico? I think we have made a substantial down payment already.
    A concerned South Texan

    August 13, 2009 at 6:29 pm |
  150. Dave in Saint Louis!

    Easy he is not! He needs more of them in here to help him get re elected Jack!

    August 13, 2009 at 6:30 pm |
  151. James In Idaho

    While a large portion of the US IS serious about border security, a much larger number is confusing securing the border with granting free passage to illegal immigrants. They are two seperate issues and they need to be viewed that way. The US needs to understand that by putting the National Guard there, they are actually SAVING money.

    Think of it like those Washer/dryer commercials... Why buy the washer? Because the savings will pay for the dryer. Why spend to send the guard to the border? Because the money saved from securing the border will help pay for it.

    August 13, 2009 at 6:30 pm |
  152. David, Venice,FL

    I thought Obama was going to change the way business is done in Washington. I see Washington has changed the way he does business instead.

    August 13, 2009 at 6:32 pm |
  153. Leonard , The UP.

    The question Jack is how much are the drug cartels paying lobbyists to keep the border open. If our representatives were serious about border security it would be done already.

    August 13, 2009 at 6:34 pm |
  154. Chika Uzokwe

    Money is a defense so says the Bible.
    National security is a sum total of individuals’ security of the citizens of a given nation. In other words no nation can be so secured while its citizens are tormented with a very loud sense of insecurity.
    Many people get involved into drugs and narcotics because they want to get themselves secured in their own way, because nature abhors vacuum. Governments among other things are there to create vacuum in our minds and in our lives every day.

    August 13, 2009 at 6:35 pm |
  155. David Herrmann

    No need to guard our borders. The government is working on health care now. Empty rheteric here also.

    August 13, 2009 at 6:36 pm |
  156. LEN - IL.

    It is sorta late to get rilled up about the border. It was after 911 that Bush should have taken care of it dring those 7 or 8 years. Terrorist and anyone else could get in and probably did. Many of the border patrol sell out to the drug peddlers. They close their eyes to it. How about deputising the people that are complaining, give them a weapon, and let them take care of it?

    August 13, 2009 at 6:40 pm |
  157. Gary In Lexington

    Jack:
    That figure you quoted in your question, represents that it will cost $115,000 per soldier, where does that ridiculous figure come from? I guess it says that it is too expensive to protect our people, while we waste billions in Iraq, Afghanastan, Japan, Korea, Germany and everywhere else that we have our troops stationed around the world. This is a monetary joke of grand proportions. The World, Wall Street, Corporate America, they all come ahead of our general population...everybody in the World comes ahead of our people!
    Gary,
    Lexington,KY

    August 13, 2009 at 6:41 pm |
  158. DJ in Denver

    The war on drugs is like believing you well live forever. This country needs to grow its own and quit requiring people to pee to be employed. Our borders should be gaurded from illegal ingress and egress. How come we are more worried about what these people have in their pockets than the fact that they don't belong here? I have no problem with immigration but these fence climbers need to be stopped.

    August 13, 2009 at 6:42 pm |
  159. Jasmine in Germany

    Jack, the troops should not be sent until the involved states have made intelligent and effective plans on how the troops will be used, plus they have to work together along their own borders. The Pentagon and Homeland Security Department should be hung up about money, we all want the money well spent. Let's get it right the first time.

    The drug and border problems wouldn't be as large as they are if these states didn't allow the large amount of gun and weapons shops so close to the Mexican border in the first place. The states better show they are serious and put realistic plans into place.

    August 13, 2009 at 6:43 pm |
  160. m armstrong texas

    Hears a reality check president bush made shure our national security came first and president Obama thinks it should be put on hold.

    August 13, 2009 at 6:43 pm |
  161. David Fitch

    Jack – What, are we stupid? Over our southern border comes illegal aliens, drugs, murder and mayhem. We spend billions on bridges to nowhere and any other pork barrel project these "elected officials" think will get them reelected. We need term limits, we need individuals who make good decisions without thinking about their career as a politician. $225,000.00 to beef up our borders? A third grader does than one in their sleep.

    August 13, 2009 at 6:44 pm |
  162. john o snoberger

    Everyone can use more money but, the us want drugs in the us because
    the us gov't is working with them to put more people in prisons so, they can take all the money for them self and think about this is a land of law but, congressman can get aways with it!!!

    August 13, 2009 at 6:45 pm |
  163. Gary Ryan

    and they want money to finance the troops on the boarder.Then get it from the brokers on wall street that have been squandering it away for a long period of time ;or the banks who got all of this stimulus money but have a hard time giving new mortgage's to the honest people who need a home in this country.Maybe if we asked some of the congressman who also have a lot of money because a good percentage of them are millionaire's;maybe they could send a few dollars to the effort!!

    August 13, 2009 at 6:46 pm |
  164. Me again

    Try this for irony, when I vacation in Mexico, I need to wait in line at the entry point and show a passport to come back in my own country. Mexicans however can simply walk across the border in remote parts of the desert and be on their way.

    August 13, 2009 at 6:47 pm |
  165. Chad from Wisconsin

    So suddenly we are out of money? Maybe Congress ought not buy all those planes it doesn't need. Or maybe this is part of a plan to give amnesty to illegals? Seems Obama could benefit from thier votes. How is it almost everyday there is a new outrage out of Washington and yet we do nothing.

    August 13, 2009 at 6:48 pm |