FROM CNN's Jack Cafferty:
Add Condoleezza Rice to the growing list of former Bush officials weighing in on the torture debate. The Former Secretary of State got into it with a fourth grader over the weekend who asked her what she thought about what the Obama administration is saying about the harsh techniques used under President Bush.
Rice defended Bush's policies on the interrogation of terrorism suspects, saying the president wouldn't have authorized anything illegal: "He was also very clear that we would do nothing - nothing - that was against the law or against our obligations internationally."
Rice added how difficult the time after the 9/11 attacks was; and even though they were terrified of another attack on the country, the president wasn't "prepared to do something illegal."
Rice's latest comments come days after telling students at Stanford University: "We did not torture anyone." She insisted that waterboarding was legal "by definition if it was authorized by the president."
Huh? sounds a heck of a lot like Former President Richard Nixon who claimed: "When the president does it, that means it is not illegal." And we all know how well that worked out for him.
Meanwhile a recent Senate report shows Rice was among the top Bush officials who approved the use of waterboarding, which has been considered a form of torture for centuries. This may be why she, much like Former Vice President Dick Cheney, has been making the rounds these days.
Here’s my question to you: When it comes to the torture debate, Condoleezza Rice says President Bush would not have authorized anything illegal. Do you believe her?
Interested to know which ones made it on air?
After Condi dropped the ball on 9/11, her only recourse was to green-light torture. How else could she and her fellow Bushies establish a non-existent link between the attacks and Iraq/Saddam Hussein? If we Americans don't have the guts to put these monsters (Rice, Cheney, Bush) on trial, we should play it their way and ship them off to a country that will do it for us.
Mack from Michigan writes:
How pathetic is it that the former Secretary of State is reduced to arguing semantics with a fourth grader to try and justify the harm and disgrace she and the other neo-cons have inflicted on the United States?
Kai from Portland, Oregon writes:
Well, let's see, waterboarding is torture and it is illegal (look it up!), and Bush authorized it, right? So, doesn't that mean in the real world what he did was illegal? What am I missing here?
Susan from Idaho writes:
I believe Rice believes it. If one suspects their superior is not on the up and up, it’s pretty difficult to believe in their own credibility. There was a real good reason Powell left and one would have thought Rice would have wised up then.
Larry from Georgetown, Texas writes:
She is living in a place where there is no U.S. Constitution and they think they're god, establishing laws out of fear and based on the presumption that they can do no wrong because of who they think they are. It is sickening to me that these people were elected to protect us and in the long run caused so much damage that it may never be set right unless they are prosecuted and sent to prison.
David from North Carolina writes:
It's a shame that the administration she represents spent the last 8 years speaking to all of us like we're 4th graders.
Rice is answering though as if the subject were a situational question: Would vs. Wouldn't. The question she should be answering is: "Did" former President Bush approve of violating our laws and neglecting international obligations?
Accepting or refuting the question will results in a lose-lose situation for the Bush administration. Either you have the most incompetent president in our history or the most underhanded and dishonest administration. Would you care for lipstick on a pig, Jack?
In a word, no.
Were her lips moving? I do not think that Bush's cabinet members simplified their dialogue to the point where Bush could understand what they were actually saying; therefore Bush could not really comprehend what was going on. In his defense, Bush may actually have been clueless.
Like i'd believe it could snow in georgia in july, the whole bunch are lucky they are all still walking around free men.. and by what i am seeing and hearing from the left over republican party they have not learned a thing.........
a once republican in Ga.
The question seems a tad after the fact. It has been established that truth is foreign to members of that administration. President Bush and his Administration recognized exactly what the law stated and what the Geneva Convention stated on the topic of torture and blatantly attempted to circumvent those laws and treaty obligations by writing and crafting internal secret memos interpreting the laws and obligations in a manner which they believed to authorize the torture tactics they sought to use. A weak attempt to re-write statues and treaties without Congress and the general public that is becoming clearer and clearer to John Q public. The secret nature of the memos in and of itself clearly shows that they knew that the laws and the treaty as written did not allow the torture tactics that they wished to use... So, in answer to your question, NO I do not believe former Secretary of State Rice nor any other member of that administration. We need only look at the Valarie Plume/Scooty Libby case to get a sense of the extents the Bush Administration would go to do what they wanted...Look at what they did to their own citizenry with the Patriot Act relative to the liberties assured us by our own Constitution; Guantanamo Bay prison creation and subsequent handling; Firings of U.S. Attorneys across the country; Hiring criteria for Federal jobs which are based on political affiliations as opposed to qualifications; Hatch Act violations....Do I need to go further?
Yes, I believe her and she is correct. The Geneva Convention does not cover treatment of prisoners who are terrorist. The GC covers persons who are members of a military representing a specific country, who wear uniforms and carry their weapons in the open. We have the same or similar lack of International Law governing how to deal with the Pirates off the coast of Somalia. There are no international laws governing these despicable people. However, by using torture President Bush did not represent the American people nor American values, he joined with the swine he was having tortured.
Do pigs fly? (And the Swine Flu doesn't count.)
And who could have ever predicted that Osama bin Laden was going to attack us after reading a memo that said "Bin Laden determined to strike in US"? Gimme a break. In both vigilance and judgment Dr. Rice was a "lost ball in high weeds" from day 1 on the job as the National Security Advisor and later as the Secretary of State. Moreover, she was the ultimate loyalist, who put her trust for George W. Bush ahead of her Constitutional oath.
Only a moron would believe anyone from the Bush administration on any issue.
When a person publicly admits to being involved in torture why would anyone with a lick of common sense listen to anything that person has to say?
Intelligence and honesty were never suitable descriptions of the Bush administration and that is a fact known world wide.
No one should believe a word Rice, Cheney or Bush says until this has all been thoroughly investigated.
We'd BETTER investigate, too. If we don't, other countries are now indicating they will be more than willing to and that won't look too good for America in the long wrong if we didn't at least investigate our own.
Not for a minute. She is just as culpable as Bush and Cheney. Keep lying Condi you will never convince me.
Perhaps she meant he didn't know waterboarding is torture and therefore illegal; confirming our speculation about his intelligence. Ignorance is bliss.
Do I believe anything that a politician from either of these bought and sold political parties says, let alone one from the Bush era? That would be big 'ole no, I don't believe her.
"Well, when the president does it that means that it is not illegal." -Nixon
I think that quote sums up what Washington DC thinks of the law. Face it there are two systems of justice in this country. There is one for the rich and influential, and one for everyone else.
They all lied to us for eight years. Why would we start believing them now.
No I believe she is protecting herself... I do believe that Bush believes what he allowed does not make him guilty, but she is smarter than that.
I neve liked Bush but I do believe he was lead down the garden path and he lead us there also..
Of course I believe Rice that President Bush would never authorize anything illegal.
Because she (and apparently everyone in the Bush administration including the President and VP), believe as Rice said last week, that "When the President does it, it's not illegal."
It's impossible for the President to break the law! And to think that the Constitiution (not the President) used to be the highest law of our country! Clearly Jefferson got it wrong when he said we are "a nation of laws, not men."
Bush, Cheney, Gonzales and Rice know better!
I don't believe a word that comes out of that woman's mouth. I didn't believe Rice when she told all Americans, the UN, and the world that Iraq had "weapons of mass destruction" and I sure don't believe her when she is trying to protect her partner in crime George W. Bush. She knows that unless she can fool us again, all of the Bush Administrations' geese are cooked.
As much as I did Nixon before, when and after he made his statement. Let us remember the words of Lord Acton in 1887, "power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". Politicians and corporations are about absolute power.
LOL!!! Not really, since it casts aspersions on her stewardship as well as his!
I believe the debate over whether he authorized torture has been settled. He did. Torture is illegal. The debate at this point is whether Eric Holder prosecutes or President Obama pardons. Either way this period in American history will go down in infamy.
Nixon said "I'm not a crook". Do you believe him? The problem is that Bush believed Cheney and if Cheney says it is legal, it's cool with W.
When it comes to the torture debate, Condoleezza Rice lies through her teeth. She did it before and she will do in the future. The RAT pack made their own laws and ruled as they pleased, too bad we became the casualties.I like to put her under those non-torture process to find out what else she not told they manipulated to justify their benefits.
Do I think that Condi Rice believes that President Bush would not have done anything illegal? ... I'm sure that with the right kinds of interrogation we could get the truth out of her.
Don't believe a word of it. It's simply on the long list of talking points handed out by Bush/Cheney/Rove/Limbaugh.
We prosecuted others that used waterboarding against our troops – the Bush/Cheney group should be prosecuted also.
No NO NO!!!! WHY should we? Seems thoose who advocate it would.
Jack, how could you even think to ask such a question?
Of course Ms. Rice can be trusted to state rock solid truths...that one is right up there with "we're gonna find WMD in Iraq", "We gonna get bin Laden", and "Brownie, you're doin' a heckuva job."
If there's the simple matter of students at Stanford trusting her intergrity I think she should be checking with Blackwater for vacancies.
Jack.......... in a word............ NO.
Torture is illegal, no matter how "they" spin it.
Oh yes, Jack, I believe her....about as much as I believe in the Tooth Fairy.
I don't believe her. She's doing the same thing as Cheney and the others; trying to stay ahead of being prosecuted. Of course waterboarding is torture. Even a child could figure that out.
Doctor Rice doesn't strike me as particularly stupid so when the CIA refused to torture and was quoted as saying, "Don't even think about this," I bet She picked up on the illegality.
She could be the only American who hasn't seen our WWII films where the torture scene establishes that the Japanese are the bad guys, but the CIA saying, "Don't even think about this," would have been a heads up for the village idiot .
The reason that Jessen and Mitchell were hired as Doctor Mengeles was because no one in the CIA would commit the war crime. Time and time again when the Executive branch betrayed the Constitution, treaties, and American law, it was our public servants remaining true to their oaths of office that blocked the Bush administration. If we the people had behaved as honorably as all the whistle blowers in government, things would have never gotten so out of hand.
hell no! This was a clear conspiracy, by the highest officeholder's of our land, to commit crimes against humanity. How is it, such supposedly intelligent leaders, could authorize such stupidity and cruelty? In my opinion, they are no better than those they tortured, and probably they are worse, because of their positions of power. Prosecutions please, Mr. Holder!
That depends upon what your definition of "is" is.
NO NO NO! Why sould we? Thoose who do advocate it! Church goers feel repentence that why they believe in it. You are judged by how you judge. We should all remember that Jack!
Condie has always reminded me of Minnie Mouse, and her explanations of the questionable macninations of those terrible "Bush years", are quite "Mickey Mouse"...
You're kidding, right? These folks are a bunch of lying, back stabbing, self serving hypocrites. All she's doing is covering her behind in the hopes she wont get prosecuted down the road.
Jack, that's an easy question with an easy answer, NO.
Well, it's not whether I believe her or not. It's what SHE believes. If she chooses to believe that Bush wouldn't KNOWINGLY break the law, then she may be right. The truth may just be that Bush didn't know it was illegal (even though Cheney did) and Bush probably had never read the constitution, much less the Geneva Conventions. So what she's really saying is that "Bush didn't know any better".
And yes, that's why Cheney and Rice are making the rounds. They're taking the heat for poor ole stupid W. "Don't worry, we'll handle it" But so far, nothing they've said has convinced me that torture was justified or that they saved lives by using it. They can try to talk their way around it or out of it. But here's the thing, either they broke the law or they didn't. The bottom line is...they did.
Let me get back to you, Jack. I'm laughing too hard at the premise of the question that I now have to get dry pants and undergarments!
Are you kidding ? Of course not ! As far as she is concerned George Bush can do no wrong and no matter what he says or does is " okay " with her. She would lie on a stack of Bibles rather than say anything negative about him.
Do I believe her on this particular issue? Do pigs fly?
Let me see if I can say this in a different way.... Bill Clinton had oral sex with a young girl in the Oval Office of the White Hosue, and cheated with his wife more times than Senator Bird falls asleep during Congressional meetings. You doubt Condi Rice, in essance, calling the first black woman who was Secretary of State, a liar. That makes you a racist.
Yeah sure Jack, and if anyone believes that I've got some cheap real estate for sale. She can't sell that bill of goods to anyone with a brain.
The only thing I believe about Condoleeza Rice's recent comments on torture is that she is now whistling in the graveyard just like Dick Cheney and the other Bush minions who authorized waterboarding. She just might have had her tongue loosened by visions of the Nuremberg Trials buzzing around in her head.
No how could we believe anything that come from the Bush people. Everything they told us was a lie when talking about the war on terror.
I agree – rice sounds like nixon – when the president authorizes it, it is not legal.
The job was way over her head – she was the worse secretary of state we have ever had.
She is protecting bush again. But I think she believes her own statement.
No way ....its sad how they are getting away with everything even lying to kids...Jack who are not dumb.
President Nixon said about Watergate that, if the President authorizes it, it isn't illegal. Isn't this the same argument?
Absolutely not. The Vice President pulled the strings and Bush fell in line.
Loved your reference to The Spanish Inquisition !
Bet your viewers didn't expect that !
"No One Expects the Spanish Inquisition"
– Monty Python's Flying Circus.
Kelowna, BC, Canada
Why certainly. And I also believe in the tooth fairy.
Of course I don't believe her, but that's neither here nor there.
The important question is, does she believe it herself?
Do I believe Condi Rice ? Heck no. Its a case of CYA.
That's a stupid question. Of Course he will do something illegal. Every other president has in the past, why would he be any different.
I believe her just as much as I did before
If Condoleeza Rice does not believe that George W. Bush instructed her to do anything illegal I would like to offer her a bridge that is for sale, it is in Brooklyn.
This is the same administration, which brought TWO (2) wars to the people of the United States...with better than 4,000 Americans dead...as the result of LIES, and made-up foolishness about "weapons of mass destruction"...
Why would we start to believe her now?
Falls Church, VA
Sure I do, I also believe that Obama is a terrible president, the Republicans are the party for the people, Osama Bin Laden just wanted attention...and that Hell has frozen over.
Plausible deniability Jack. The President doesn't have to personally authorize anything, so long as his subordinates, who have authority to make decisions on his behalf, authorize it. Waterboarding is no different. Doesn't make it right, that's just the way things are.
Condi and all of the other Bushies are full of it! If you believe her, well I have a bridge in Brooklynn I well sell cheap!
The GW era was the most disgraceful period of our history.
Corpus Christi, Tx.
This is typical of the Bush administration. I don't think we should expect any more from them other than their common strategy of shouting out their own made up facts while plugging their ears from any dissenting voices.
What she said sounds an awful lot like the old I was just following orders the Nazi's tried–with just a slight variation, I only passed the order on. HAHAHA Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not no, but hell no.
Sure, and I still believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy.
I used to think Condi had her head screwed on right but now I'm not sure. Her comments come right out of the W playbook.
The only reason her and Darth are out on the circuit is to deflect public outcry in case they get chraged with something(anything)
Dear Jack, I do not believe anything that anyone involved with the former Bush/Cheney Regime says or will say to cover their collective arses. I sure hope that fourth grader didn't fall for her tale either. Didn't Conde's parents teach her that it's wrong to lie!
No. Absolutely not. At best, Bush was confused about what his subordinates were doing–at worst, he authorized all sorts of unconsitutional, illegal, and immoral things in the name of national security. Being President does not put one outside the law, nor does it make someone perfect. Just because he authorized it, does not make it okay. In fact, it probably means the opposite.
While she may have somehow convinced herself that she and the Bush Administration broke no law and did nothing illegal, that just doesn't seem to be the case. As Mark Twain wisely said, "Facts are stubborn things." Regardless of what they now say in an odd form of damage control, history will judge them on the evidence they left, not the arguments they propose after the fact. Torture is still illegal, no matter how you spin it.
Really Condi, guilty as sin...ah er charged? Guilty of torture and now of lying...wow am I glad they are on the hot seat now.
Are you kidding me? If he wouldn't have OK'd any torture techniques they wouldn't be going around saving their butts. They have been trying so hard to save their careers its nutts. I know it was our fault for voting them in, but it should be our responsibility to make sure their is true justice. Do I think we need to try them, no, but just tell us the truth. The truth shall set you free!!!
Maybe she means Bush never knew what was going on and Cheney and Rumsfeld authorized it without Bush's knowledge and so therefore Bush is not guilty. What a lot of hooey. Jail time for all of the motly lying crew ASAP.
I believe her as much as I believe that we invaded Iraq to give their people 'freedom'.
Jack, didn't Cheney, Rumsfeld and many others who ran, uh... worked in, the Bush administration cut their political chops with Nixon? That was their training and as we all know: You can't teach old dogs new tricks.
You know how we can settle this debate of "was it or wasn't it" torture? Get everyone that believes it's not torture to submit to a bit of waterboarding themselves. After about 5 minutes of that let's see what kind of information we can get out of them.
Well, let's see, WATERBOARDING IS TORTURE AND IT IS ILLEGAL (look it up!), and Bush authorized it, right? So, doesn't that mean in the REAL world that what he did was ILLEGAL? What am I missing here?
I believe the Bush, Cheney, Rice team as much as I believe in Santa Claus!
Do I believe Rice when she says Pres. Bush wouldn’t have authorized anything illegal?
That depends on what the definition of is is.
I have very little faith in anything Condi, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and other in the Bush administration said the last 8 years. Condi admitted aa few years ago that she will say anything the President tells her to say (in so many words). Apparently, she doesn't mind having her opinion told to her, as I believe is the case with a lot of folks that listen to rush, sean, newt, o'rielly, etc. But I have three words for these folk – PLEASE KEEP TALKING to ensure an eight year run for Barack, who will be getting us out of Iraq!!!
Of course I don’t believe her. Do you remember the justice department hiring scandal, when one of the questions asked of applicants was are you a loyal Bushie? Condoleezza Rice is the epitome of a loyal bushie and she would lie for Bush until the bitter end. There is nobody in the former administration with any credibility
I guess it depends on how you define BELIEVE...
Did anyone ask the fourth grader if he believed her?
Dr. Rice has lied so often that she wouldn't know the truth if it bit her. Not only did she lie in the United Nations, but she was present in the meeting in which the son of a Bush authorized it. Zeig Heil!
Rice has already been caught lying about whether she authorized the use of torture (she did not just "pass along information" as she states, she was a signatory on documentation okaying waterboarding). Given just that information, I don't trust any pronouncements from her on any issue having to do with torture.
And I would be very pleased to see her indicted, tried, convicted, and jailed for a long, long time for her part in destroying the reputation of the US.
I'd comment, but I'm laughing too hard. What a question!
Ok...my comment. I don't trust Bush one iota. I once respected her... but after hearing her attempts to deny involvement and her statements that suggest she doesn't think water boarding is torture, I have lost all respect for her.
No, I wouldn't believe her if she said today is Monday and it is. Are we stupid enough to have forgotten how much she lied to us about Iraq's Non-Existent WMD's? Aside from lying and rank stupidity, the debate on Waterboarding was over at the end of World War II-it is Torture. We Executed Japanese soldiers for doing it to our troops.
It matters not. In your piece, Jack, you claim that "waterboarding has been considered torture for centuries". By whom sir? Please cite the authorities of the standards of "torture", and when were said standards adopted. This unproductive nonsense has the odor of another scurrilous political witch hunt conceived to divert attention from the real problems this country faces and the conniving of power mad individuals.
No, I do not believe her. The Bush administration, it seems, did whatever it wanted, from illegal wiretapping to starting the Iraq War based on lies ...and everyone, again it seems, was in cahoots. Rice is no better than Cheney
No I don't beleive her Jack. She is a politician and as far as I am concerned a crook like all of them. It is my obligation to vote as a citizen but when will we get someone worth their word?
Of course he did not do anything illegal, he had legal opinions written first that justified his aims. She was the national security adviser as well, her name is all over this stuff as well. GUILTY!
Tony from Torrington: this makes Jack a racist? No one is playing the race card here! The question is about her low ethics! Black, white, brown, red... they can all have low ethics! And I believe that Ms. Rice's ethics are about the lowest one can get!
Jack, you know your lie is bad when you can't fool people who still believe in Santa Claus.
Listening to the former Bushies defending torture is sickening. It goes against all the US is supposed to stand for and yet they carry on trying to tell us that our eyes deceive us.
Condie, its torture, you supported torture and its illegal. You should be held 100% accountable in a court of law, just the same as Japanese officers were for torturing US citizens using water torture after WW2. We need to send a clear message to the world, the US does not torture and those crooks that came up with the policy will be held accountable.
As to the concept of trusting any of these former officials? They have lied to us repeatedly over the last 8 years so I frankly do not believe a word they say.
"There's a saying in Texas ..... fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice er er er You Can't Get Fooled Again"
– George W Bush or was that Roger Daltrey ?
Jack, i don't believe anything that's ever come out of the Bush administration. Cheney and Rice are doing a lot of CYA'ing these days. If I were them I'd go crawl in a hole.
How many people have commented on how our Constitution has been shreaded over the past eight years?
I think an investigation into the whole administration by the UN is in order.
The whole Bush administration should be in trial for all the laws they broke while in office. The president of the United States IS NOT above any law. If he wants to be above the law then he should go to Cuba, Venezuela, and Ecuador. Thanks to this administration we lost all the respect of foreign nations. Now that they are no longer in office they should just shut up and stop defending they hideous national and foreign policy.
Hell No!......No facts, statistics, or insightful analysis needed.
yes. doesnt anyone remember that Clinton lied to congress and that was what they impeached him on? Well Bush REFUSED to appear under oath before congress about anything doing with the run up to Iraq. That was how he avoided lying under oath. Bush took every opportunity to hide information that would incriminate him and to avoid any situation he could not later deny. Besides it was CHENEY that authorized it. We all know who really ran the administration. I doubt Bush had any sense to what was going on other than to say, "make sure if it aint legal it is before i sign off on it..heh heh". So let it be authorized so let it be done.
I believe the former adminstration practices, as per Bill Clinton's use of legal jargonese as a skirting of personal responsibility, in the pursuit of truth is laudable. How can The Obama Admin even hope to move forward -with so much on his plate as it is?
Yes I beieve her. What was done was not illegal and that is just the plain truth about it. We might not like waterboarding or approve it. But it was not illegal and thats that.
Ask the family members of all those who died on 911 what they think of any form of torture to get information to prevent American's being murdered by those who want nothing more then to kill us all.
When a President is 'acting' on behalf of the American people it is similar to a police officer 'acting' in the line of duty. There are situations that will arrive that gives the President or an officer a certain level of autonomy. When the 9/11 attacks took place most Americans were seeking blood, and if the 'enhanced interrogations' took place underneath those circumstances then it should not be considered illegal.
I would not believe anything the Bush Administration says because it's all unlawful. Everything they've done was unlawful and I'm glad they are out of office. They should definitely be punished for EVERYTHING they have done.
The way that you reported this before asking the question, creates a bias that is impossible for the average viewer to overcome. Although I am a conservative, there was a time that I much prefered watching CNN, and your program specifically, to other networks. These days, your lack of objectivity in reporting makes it difficult to stay loyal. This blog is a silly exercise given how you set up these questions. You arent seeking journalistic truth, you are pushing an agenda.
Rice has always supported and covered up anything that GWB said or DID!!! NO, I do not believe her one bit, just trying to CYA
No, I do not believe her and she probably doesn't believe it either. Just another attempt to save themselves. The whole lot is guilty as ever. I wonder how their stories would change if subjected to even a portion of what they had done to others.
Shameful that this took place at all.
I guess when the possibility of legal action against the various department heads looks like a real problem it's time for the future defendants to get the word out that " we all worked for The President"
I once believed that Condi Rice was an honest individual. After 8 years in the Bush administration, I see her as the female equivalent of Charlie McCathy.
Are you saying black women lie? How about when Michelle Obama said it was the first time she was proud of her country, was that a lie?
I used to pay attention to that neo crowd but no longer. My only question is are they stupid, or just intentionally lying?
Rice is a joke. Bush ordered the torture and they all should be accountable for it, and how can our soldiers be the only ones in jail. They were following orders from the top. Bush and Rice should be ashamed.
No, I do not believe Ms. Rice. Why should anyone believe anything said by the worst Secretary of State in the history of the United States. She was a disaster, and did as much harm as her boss GWB (the worst President in the United States.
No! And I don't think Condi believes it either. All of this posturing is an attempt to wriggle out of being prosecuted for what was clearly illegal - as well as immoral and un-American - by US and international law, including the Geneva Convention to which we are signatories.
If Bush claims "ignorance" (and admittedly he's seriously ignorant) it should be noted that "ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law."
Not for a second thEse are the same people who went to Irag for WMd please we are not kindergaten kids
No, No No We were lied to for eight years and she was one of the biggest liars. I wonder how she sleeps at night.
The convoluted contortions the Republican leadership are going thru to explain their rational for torture is almost comical except that there are real people being tortured. How in heavens name can they waterboard two men 266 times? That is insane!!!
When do the war crimes trials begin?
Of course it is torture but she will defend Bush no matter what.
Were her lips moving when she made that comment? Then "no," I don't believe her...
If you believe Condoleezza Rice with respect to water boarding, then I'd like to sell you some swampland in Florida!!!
I absolutely do NOT believe Condoleezza Rice regarding the torture issue.
Justin – Tampa, FL
I don't necessarily think Bush wanted or meant to do anything illegal. But, that doesn't mean he didn't make things legal just for him or blur the line so much that no one else could find it anymore...
Hell NO I don't believe her or cheney or any of the liers in the bush administration! They brok the law and should pay the price. That price is what the jury comes up with. Jail is too good for them.
Ms. Rice would not know the truth if it hit her in the face. And Bush's idea of legal was "what is the most convenient for me, G.W. Bush". So, no, I do not believe Ms. Rice or Mr. Bush about the legality of approving torture/waterboarding.
Jack I would not believe anything that either Bush 1, 2 or soon to ‘wanna be” 3 or Dick or Rice has to say. Here’s a question – WHEN will they just GO AWAY! NO ONE cares what either of them thinks let alone have to say. All we as AMERICAN’S want is for the Bush family and all of their clunks to GO AWAY!
We all know that the US violated the Geneva Convention by waterboarding and thus committed war crimes. Former Secretary of State Rice obviously is not knowledgeable on International Law and was totally infatuated with Bush. She was never effective as Secretary of State and is only trying to save her own hide now.
No I don't believe her. Or the former VP. Methinks they do protest to much.
No. I do not believe her. The question you should be asking is why Bush, Cheney and Rice are still walking around as free citizens.
Condi is either suffering from clinical denial, selective amnesia or functional sociopathy–she would have been a big star at the Nuremberg trials.
I wouldn't believe much of anything that she has to say in defense of failed policy. I think the gap in her teeth was caused by lying through them.
I think Rice, Cheney, and all of the bush "gang" are terrified of americans finding out about their crimes because they know we will demand the new administration to punish these war criminals for their crimes. They are doing their best to cover their *sses and cause plausible doubt.
So, no I don't believe her.
Yes, I believe her and also that all your key "Dimocrats" such as Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, etc. knew and approved-as would have most Americans--
No I don't believe Condoleezza Rice. She is just trying to cover George W. Bush's butt, as well as, Dick Cheney's and her own. They were all thick as thieves in the torture mess and they are a disgrace to America.
Jack, you have to remember Ms Rice was dealing with a third grader then now that a 4th grader took her to task it stumped her.That entire administration couldn't pass a 4th grade test.
I still don't believe 1 word that comes out of any ones mouth from the Bush administration. Chris Y
Yes I believe her, I also believe in Santa Claus
It's a shame that the administration she represents has spent the last 8 years speaking to all of us like we're 4th graders. When I was in the 4th grade, I believed in Santa Claus too.
I don't believe her. I think the Bush administration felt it was above the law. Just look at all the information that links President Bush to 911. Why would I believe anything a Bush administer says.
Jack, when I was in the military it was called obeying an unlawful order. You could also be convicted of this illegality and if you refused to Obey you could be court martialed. In Condy's defense she didn't want to be fired.
One word Jack, NO! Ms. Rice is now just as she has been for years now, the mouth peice of Former President Bush. She knew of these case long before the rest of the country. And she approved of them. its called covering your tracks. If you say its legal then it must be so! By that same tolken, I think we should say its legal to rob a bank, then do it! LOL!
Lying barely even counts as a scandal compared to the torture, the legalizing of torture, and not to mention the terrorism!
Well let's see Jack. Rice says water boarding isn't torture.
Look's like we owe an apology to all of those Japanese officers we hung after WWII for same offense.
Oops! Our bad.
YES only if you believe that the moon is made out of blue cheese.
I thought that only Kings were allowed to make laws and ingnor the ones they disagreed with. Presidents are supposed to obey the laws just like the rest of us
Yes, I believe her. I also believe that Iraq has WMD, that major military operations in Iraq ended years ago, that the Bush Admin. will not engage in nation building, and that Bush's conservatism is "compassionate". Really – can we just acknowledge that the previous administration was a bunch of liars and move on.
Bush probably found some loophole so that it appeared what he did was legal. Same kind of stuff that got us in this financial crisis. No wonder this crap all happened during the dark times, (i.e. Bush years)!
I don't think she really means, what she is saying. She is like any other Bush loyalist. Bush only hired people who were loyal to him. And, Bush also stood by them, under all circumstances.
I want to believe her but the track record of the Bush administration telling the truth or even admitting doing something wrong is dismal. This whole torture debate being defended by Bush administration officials just doesn't pass the smell test for me so, no Jack, I don't believe her.
Do I believe Condoleezza Rice? Sure I do, just like I believe in the tooth fairy...NOT!
Im a 17 year old junior and I've always thought it was cool to be the only one of all my friends to be a republican. Now I am embarrased. I can't believe anything republicans say anymore not even republican members of my own family. I think I would believe O. J Simpson, Bill Clinton, and Michael Jackson before I'd believe Condi when she says that President Bush would'nt have authorized anything illegal.
No No No No No No.
What I do believe is that Rice and Bush and Cheney and the rest of the Bush administration and staff purposely twisted and misused words to cloud meanings and actions and deceive what they believed were the ignorant masses. They got away with it all for far too long! I hope someday they'll all have to answer for their words and their actions and their intent.
You cannot believe the neocons, vulcans, or whatever else they go by. Their conception of legality is whatever they get their legal firms, Justice Department a few months ago, to dream up.
From what I have heard from those who would know, it was illegal and the President saying otherwise does not make it legal.
It was immoral as well and has hurt our country and not just because of what other nations think of us. It has likely caused many more deaths of our soldiers in Iran than there otherwise would have been.
It could precipitate another attack on us in the U.S.
Of course we believe her. Speaker Pelosi would not have taken impeachment off the table unless everything was on the up and up.
No I don't believe her,she was Bush's mouthpiece and has nothing to lose by defending him.She will defend him to the end,it only makes sense to hide behind National Security to justify torture.
No,all she is doing is trying to say she is innocent of any crime,just like your common criminal.Do we believe them,then why should we believe her.She is just scared of being prosecuted ,if it is not torture than why doesn't she volunteer to have it done to her.
I believe Ms. Rice almost as much as I believed in Cheney. Bush lied and she swore to it. She speaks with forked tongue just like the rest of the Bush administration. As far as I am concerned, the only honest man in that administration was Colin Powel.
What the USA did with "harsh" interrogation techniques was certainly wrong. Legal is hard to define when he controlled the prosecutors and had stacked the federal courts with extremists.
Jim, Craig, CO
No, I do not believe Condeleeza Rice on this at all – I don't know how she can argue such circular arguments in defense of herself and George Bush and their activities. If she believes Bush was the law, and he thought he was above the law, I'm even more afraid of what they did while in office than I was before!
The same Condi Rice who disregarded the daily briefing memo that started with "Osama Bin Laden set to attack US" is telling us that (1)waterboarding is not torture and (3)President Bush wouldn't authorize anything illegal??? Let's start with the wiretaps! Let's start with cooking intelligence to justify the invasion of a country! And we're expected to believe Ms. WMD herself? I think not!!
Let me think about it for a few minutes... NO!
I heard that Webster's New Dictionary had to put out a supplemental for just one word... LIAR... because it includes pictures of the ENTIRE Bush administration...
And if the Sundance Kid said Butch Cassidy was not a bandit, you'd believe him, right?
I don't see how anyone could believe Rice, or any member of the Bush administration. They've done everything they can to lose any credibility regarding the torture issue, as well as just about everything else they stuck their noses in.
Jack, Can you say George Orwell and Double Think and apply it to the last administration. I didn't believe anything Bush said from day one and don't see any reason to start now and that goes for anyone associated with his 8 years in office. The lone exception would perhaps be General Powell.
No I don't believe anything from anyone from the bush camp. Nothing but a bunch of story TELLERS
Jack, The real question should be: Do you believe Rice when she says Pres. Bush wouldn’t have authorized anything legal? Thank God the most criminal administration in US history is gone for good and we can be America again.
Tony from Torrington, are you serious? Questioning Former Sec. Rice makes someone racist? What world are you living in? It's comments like that that keeps this country divided. Rice is not above question or reproach and questioning her statement is the right thing to do. The question has NOTHING to do with race or even Former President Clinton's actions while in office. Another point you threw in the mix that has no relevance.
For Condoleezza Rice to explain Bush's actions to a fourth grader shows that even little children are not dumb. Only adults are stupid enough to defend a bully such as Bush. Condeleezza give it up if you need to explain this to a child.
N o I do not Belive Ris, Bush or Dick Channey, Presidents are not above the law except your President Bush. All 3 should be tried for treason war crimes, illigal war taps and torture. If found guilty they should go to prison. NO President is ABOVE the LAW.
Jack, I do not believe her. But then again it all depends upon what the definition of is "is". Torture is not "torture" when we do it to others and it is when it is done to us.
What’s to believe? Water boarding is torture and has been illegal for our entire history and centuries before. End of discussion. Period. For her to make such remarks is an affront to the intelligence of the civilized world. As a Stanford graduate, and to be where she was in the Bush administration and to claim to not know that is beyond the pale. She’s just another Bush conspirator and has lost all credibility in my mind. Lock her up with the rest of them.
I do not belive anything they said ,hell NO
Sure I believe her, and if you believe that I have some weapons of mas destruction to sell you in Mosul.
I was never a Bush fan, but I don't believe Bush had much to do with the torture issues. He was the unwilling fool puppet while Cheney and Rumsfeld were the puppeteers who called all the shots. If not, why is Cheney being so vocal now? Methinks the evil puppeteer doth protest too much.
what I find funny is the witch hunt that is definitely politically motivated about the torture issue. Bottom line is that if torturing these terrorist prevents another 911 then i see no reason why we should pursue this left wing agenda to go after the Bush administration.
President Obama promised change. All i have seen so far is a bunch of Clinton cronies ans business a usual in washington.
Waterboarding is torture and illegal. Rice and Cheney are bold face liars. Imagine this being done to us Americans!! Their comments will give permission to our enemies to now do the same to our citizens and say its not torture according to USA
The problem wasn't that Bush wouldn't authorize anything illegal ... the problem was that Bush and his cronies held the concept of the rule of law in total contemp, so the concept of legal or illegal was just a passing concern. Rice's dumb comment is demonstrative of the high level thinking that went on over the 8 years of the Bush administration.
It's time now for the International Court, not the U.S. courts, to judge the acts of those from the last administration. To think that we could decide who to try is ridiculous ... would we have accepted Germany saying they'd try Hitler in their own courts if he had survived? Nope ... it's time for international investigations of war crimes by senior officials in the Bush adminstration as well as of senior officials in other governments friendly to the Bush administration which also ordered massive human rights abuses ... such as those in the government of Israel responsible for the recent atrocities carried out in the occupied territories.
We and our system were all tortured during the Bush years. It's time for accountability now and Barack Obama doesn't get to make the call of who will be held accountable. Rice says she didn't do anything wrong ... maybe that's true and her only offense is her absolute ignorance ... but it's not for us to say. We need an international tribunal to investigate the misdeeds of these devious former U.S. officials.
Poor Condi.....she, the same Condi who lied under oath to the 9/11 Commission about the August 6th 2001 PDB memo.
If we are to believe her, then we are to believe that waterboarding is not torture and therefore not illegal by US or international definition. There is a problem with that though.
If we recognize her claims as valid, then what you're saying is that when the US prosecuted the Japanese for "crimes against humanity" because they waterboarded troops during WWII, that the United States was wrong.
What you're saying is that when the United States chose to court martial and prosecute US troops shown waterboarding a POW during the Vietnam Conflict, that the United States was wrong.
What you're saying is that what all of the civilized world, including the United States, has universally agreed qualified as torture since the Spanish Inquisition is wrong.
Either we have always been wrong before, or the Bush administration is wrong now..............................which is it?
You can't have it both ways.
It's fun to watch them play the 'I didn't do it!' game. The fact is that once we were lied to about WMD, there was nothing the previous administration wouldn't pull over our eyes. It's America's shame that these people probably will get away with these lies. We don't deserve to be seen as world leaders if we can't lead by example. Condi's admission is just one small highlight in this mess.
When you mention the word "torture" to me it indicates continual bodily harm. So, in reference to waterboarding I don't see it as torture. Especially if it's done to people who would like to wipe this nation off the face of the earth. Water boarding worked.
I've never been a Republican & much less for Bush. But if it works then keep on using it. OR THEY WILL BE WIPING US OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. BE ALERT & BEWARE...
Well, first we need to figure out the definition of illegal in Bush’s Word Dictionary.
I believe she is relying on 'creative phrasing' and hoping no one will notice. A hallmark strategy of the administration she helped run.
Quote #1 'Waterboarding was legal by definition if it was authorized by the president'
Quote #2 'The president was not prepared to do anything illegal'
This strategy implies that the President is above the law.
No, I didn't believe anything coming from the Bush administration while they were in power and I don't believe their claims now.
If she can't answer to a fourth grader without getting defensive, why should any fully mentally-developed American adult believe anything she says?
I believe what Rice said about our former President. I believe people like you should be dropped off in Iraq and learn to defend yourself against those animals over there. Most of you people that are giving comments like you have never served a day in the military.
The fat cats working in washington are in the same boat as people like you. Enjoy yourself in knocking the republicans for it is easy to make decisions after the fact. It is sort of like a monday morning qyaterback.
Sure we believe her, Jack. What we have a problem with are the somewhat stretched parameters of the word "illegal" that were applied.
Would Bush authorize anything illegal??? How about the invasion of Iraq? Has anyone forgotten that he started a war under false pretenses? Do you call that legal? Tens of thousands of people have been killed – and how many of them were innocent civilians. Even the Iraqi military had nothing to do with attacking the U.S. on 9/11 or at any other time.
My greatest hope is that we do pay attention to the horrible decisions and actions of our government in the past and never repeat them. We Americans are good people and should hold our bad leaders accountable. God bless America.
George Bush is exactly the kind of imperialistic, self righteous, self serving individual who has been destroying civilizations for centuries....all in the name of god...or his interpretation anyway. He thinks he is doing "gods work" which just so happens to serve him so in his eyes he can do no wrong and therefore, nothing illegal. It's funny how law is such a grey area up there at the top, but to the rest of us down here it's very white and black. His presidency was wrought with illegal activities and these denials are nothing but an attempt to redeem the replublican party now that they have lost their strange hold on our government.
I do not believe Ricebut, I think that was her right answer. By stating the President would have done something illegal, leaves the door open for any nut or angry group to try to prove that he did something illegal during his Presidency. This puts Rice and Cheney in danger as well.
Give me a break Jack condi and karen hughes kissed his ring when there in George Bushes presence. They have both lied for him over and over again
Oh please, a fourth grader could see she's lying!
Jack, I don't think she knew the "Nancy Pelosi Approved Interrogation Methods" were illegal. Too bad we can"t start using polygraphs in order to get to the bottom of all this.
How very apt your question.
Yes, I do. This ofcourse if you beleive that I, am GOD descended
to Earth. How and with what straight face can she make such a remark and pass it off a genuine. Is there no limit to the depths of mendacity she can stoop to.
It is high time, they acknowledged, what happened. I am sure the genorosity of the American people, will forgive them.After all what is wrong to admit a mistake? It only shows the kind of charcter one has.
Jack, I was very proud of Ms Rice for becoming Secretary of State.
However, she has dissapointed me time and time again for lying for Mr Bush. She needs to go back to teaching.
President Bush would do anything Dick Cheny told him to do.
Cheney was the one that came up with all the torture techniques from the days when he use to be a spook.
If Dick Cheney told President Bush something was good for the country, Bush would never question Cheney.
Jack, of course! The Bush administration tailored the law to their liking. Dick Cheney has no concience and the world knows it. Pres. Obama has a lot of ground to cover to restore our standing in the world. Jim Sloan/Phoenixville Pa.
I've never believed anything Ms. Rice said before, why should I start now?
The lies, deceit, and manipulated intelligence spewed out by King Pinocchio makes it impossible to believe anything coming from this puppet at the behest of his Neo Con Puppetmasters.
If she really and honestly believes that ,then the past 8 years are quite explanatory why the United States has lost respect around the world. It seems nobody in the Chaney administration were allowed to think or disagree on their own.
Rice of course is defending herself. And then to defend herself to prestigious Standford University Students and elementary students. Disgraceful!!!
Waterboarding is torture, and always has been!! Check history out. I truly wish those involved would stand trial, and be punished. Evasive legal fast talk will not work for her or her or others involved
I have lost all respect for Ms. Rice!!
When pigs fly, I'll believe it! During Bush's run for 2000 (the election that the Supreme Court handed to him on a silver platter), I read some article (Washington Post, NYT, etc.--I don't remember the exact publication, but it was one of the majors (I don't read the other kind) that quoted Bush as saying he would appoint people who wouldn't worry about asking questions as to the legality of an action – .... I believe they must have 'scrubbed' it because not even MoveOn could find it; however, I know what I read; I shivered when I read it and consequently was not surprised when he resorted to torture. What a shame, and what a smear on the reputation of our great country. Perhaps someone out there actually has a copy of that article.
For someone that is suppose to be very smart Rice is talking like an idiot. Rice, Chaney and Bush all need to be in front of a judge finding out how much time they will get to serve in jail for breaking the laws of the United States. I thought at one time that we just had Dumb and Dumber "aka" Bush and Chaney now we have Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest "aka" Bush,Chaney and Rice
I don't question Ms. Rice's response. I question why she is trying to develop youth with particular party guidelines. The reason why we have a bi-partisan country is to make sure the minority has a vote. This fourth grader is a minority to "adult world" and I lost my respect for her when words indicated that she knew more than a fourth grader. When, in reality a fourth grader inspires optimistic world of peace.
H_ _ _ No!!! Fill in the blanks.
Like this wasn't illegal for decades. How does the president magicly make something illegal legal?! We now know they lied about EVERYTHING, not just torture. This was the administration of " who could have imagined" when of course all of us but them could.
I don't ever remember Ms. Rice ever disagreeing with a Bush policy; period.
After Condi dropped the ball on 9/11 her only recourse was to green light torture. How else could she and her fellow Bushies establish a non-existant link between the attack on the towers and Iraq/Sadam Hussein.
If we Americans don't have the guts to put these monsters (Rice, Cheney, Bush) on trial we should play it their way and ship them off to a country that will do it for us.
Do I think that Condi Rice would now and did then approve torture,just as President Bush did , as everyone in the Bush Administration approved , as did the entire republian Party and unfortunateley the Democratic wing of the Republian party approvedwould not have done anything illegal?
Is this a trick question?
Bush has proved to be the most corrupt..even criminally so..President in our history. Cheney, the most corrupt and evil minded V.P. Condi was too enthralled with her leader to permit her using her own intelligence and instincts. She lied, of course, and will deepen the lies as we move forward. The whole damn crew is scared to death of going to jail. Our Constitution, our laws, and the international treaties we are signatories to, demand their being punished..severely. Hanging is what we did to the violators in WWII. I wonder if that fate is what they fear?
Really do we honestly think that Condoleeza Rice and Dick Cheney would be honest about anything involving the their political decisions concerning the Iraq War especially the question of whether torture was authorized by the Bush Administration? Let's get real. They certainly wouldn't tell the truth even in answering a child asking such a pointed question about the use of torture. They will deny it as Rice did to the child for the sake of justifying Bush's decision to start the war in Iraq. Mea culpa is not the language of Republican conservatism
From their latest "Rewriting History Tour", it appears that Condi and Cheney have absolutely nothing to hide. Then it shouldn't be too hard for them to agree to make these statements under oath, before the American people, and within the American legal system. I won't be holding my breath waiting for that to happen, Jack. How about you?
Sure I believe her; and I’d be totally on board when she submits to a water-boarding interrogation of her’s and W’s honesty about the matter!
Of course I believe her; I worked in the department of corrections for years and no criminal I ever ran across had ever done anything illegal and all their cronies had incontrivertible proof of how perfectly legal all those activities were. Why should the Bush/Cheney criminal organization be any different.
the most frightening part of this is that I think those in the Bush administration who approved waterboarding as an interrogation technique truely believe that waterboarding is not torture. To think that those in power in our country could think this way is very frightening...
Rice was Bush's Baseball Buddy, she will go all nine innings to cover for him, thats why he appointed her in the first place.
“Yeah Right!”! The Bush Administration was open and transparent, no unilateral foreign policy, weapons of mass distruction in Iraq, no water boarding or torture, no permanent campaign for the Republican party and as you know all of the other nations loved us....If you believe all of that Jack I have a piece of the Brooklyn Bridge I would like to sell you!
Certainly I believe her.
Wire taps without a warrants; holding people without charges; no right to an attorney; no Miranda; kidnapping 'suspects' and taking them to other countries; water boarding; stress positions; enhanced interrogation; humiliation; use of dogs to terrorize suspects; no probable cause; etc.
There have been revolutions against monarchs who did exactly those things, one was named King George......apparently if he said it it could not be illegal also......Rice should be ashamed of her complicity
No way would I believe that Condoleezza Rice can be trusted to tell the truth--Bush, Cheney and Rice all felt they were above the law and that their saying so WAS the truth.
Is this a SERIOUS question???
Didn't and don't.
President Bush (or his puppet master Dick Cheney) selected people who were willing – if not DETERMINED to find or make up justifications for whatever they decided to do. By the time they invaded Iraq, it was clear to most that they were going to do what they wanted, when they wanted, because they wanted to, with no regard for or expectation of any consequences.
Did he authorize anything LEGAL???
Jack, if everything the president does is legal, then why was the republicans trying vehemently to impeach President Clinton for his oral mishaps in the WH. Bush was an authorized liar, and that would make Condi Rice one too.
I don’t question Ms. Rice’s response. I question why she is trying to develop youth with particular party guidelines. The reason why we have a bi-partisan country is to make sure the minority has a vote. This fourth grader is a minority to “adult world” and I lost my respect for her when words indicated that she knew more than a fourth grader. When, in reality a fourth grader inspires an optimistic world where, peace is achievable.
Honesty and legality in the Bush Adminsitration is an oxymoron. Rice's comment shows the same delusional belief system as the rest of the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld hunta. Why should we start to believe them now after the evidence they have provided us so far. All Rice and Cheney serve to do with their comments trying to justify their behaviors to remind us of a past we no longer believe was in the best interest of the US or world community .
Real simple Jack. No way,no how!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Along with the legal aspect, there is a moral and ethical position on torture. How can the US still act as the beacon of freedom when it's agencies have water boarded detainees? Regardless of whether it's legal or not, torture is torture. Can murder become acceptable if congress passes a bill allowing this horrible act? The Bush administration played with words to get into Iraq. They should not be allowed to play with words an get out of an inquiry into the authorization of the torture memos.
If Rice and Bush did nothing illegal than why are 11 soldiers still in jail for torture and the photo's? Just a thought.
I believe Condoleezza Rice as much as I believed Richard Nixon when he said "I am not a crook."The American Public is not that stupid !
from Washington, D.C.:
We don't have to go back to the Spanish Inquisition. The reasoning that if the Leader authorizes it, it must be legal was emphatically discredited by the victorious Allies after WW II at Nuremberg. We imprisoned and executed people who promulgated or acted according to this rationale. This nation CANNOT allow such criminal self-justification to pass unchallenged and without some form of adjudication, and still remain true to our fundamental principles.
In this country, the constitution and human rights don't apply anymore. As president Bush made his own definition of "illegal" on many different issues. It seems like the american people don't care enough to really call our government out on it. We just go along with it.
I believe that President Bush would not lie,however he may not have been able to distinguish the difference between legal and illegal.
The Bush administration needs to be investigated.I do not believe anything they have said since WMDs.These are war criminals that need a full investigation.
I believe that she believes it or at least is doing the CYA national tour, but I certainly don't. The majority in this country answered the question at the election booths in November.....'Nough said !!!
Yes. I have every confidence in Ms.Rice and her ability to judge the legality of anything. She was ,and is ,certainly up to deciding whether the methods used for obtaining valuable information, at the time, were indeed legal and appropriate, under the Bush administration policies.
It's amazing to me how utterly apalling our leadership can lie, cheat and steal from the people they represent. No I don't believe her or many others in Washington. I rooting for the President until he disappoints. It will come; I know it but I hope we have jobs then, maybe even healthcare. Oh, and some of my 401K back would be nice
One mans terrorist is another mans Freedom fighter. Torture is torture no matter who does it. When you use the techniques of the enemy you become the enemy. The Geneva Convention is for all nations. the Us is no exception, and is governed by international law like all nations. Tot hink and act differently make the U the enemy of the world, not the leader of the world.
The entire administration seemed to be in a "Bring it on" mentality for a period of time. Just as Bush ended up regretting the use of those words, I think the entire "Bush Squad" now regrets other things they did during their tenure in office, including the authorization of such techniques as waterboarding. It is obvious to the average Joe that this is torture, and that it was deemed "acceptable". Why try to make excuses now for these decisions? Own up to them, and tell the world that you didn't care what the American people thought. You were going to do it anyway. So much for making our country safer.
NO !!! These ars people who belived in they had absoluute power. No all I hear is " I was following orders" kinda reminds me of Nuremburg trials.
President Bust authorize something that was illegal? Never! The Iraq war was perfectly legal! The premise on which the war was authorized was a pillar of truth and hard facts! The administration will be justified when the WMD's are found!
What you have to realize is that Fmr. Secy. Rice will be biased because she was put into her position as Secretary of State by Bush himself. Because of her natural bias she'll say that there was no wrongdoing and this would most likely be true for any cabinet member of any President's if something like this ever happened in the future. Honestly we really need to have a neutral third party come in and carry out an investigation into what actually went on in regards to possibly illegal activity.
Jack, why do you and your liberal friends care so much about the feelings of the enemy? You libs make this torture argument as if these are american citizens getting water boarded. These guys would chop your head off in a new york minute, yet you and your friends want to make sure we capture them in the killing fields, give them three square meals a day and build a mosque for prayer time. Have some pride in your country and stop blaming america. This country is what is good in this world.
Condoleeza would say anything the past administration did was legal or the admin bully (insert VP Cheney) would reign terror over the class. When it comes to talking to the principal of the school (educated voters) the truth will come out,but only when the class clowns get put under oath.
Well I guess she would be right if the President has his lawyers go to the highest levels of the judiciary of this country and ask that policy made allowing the President to do whatever he wants to do, and that it be made legal for him to do it.
I guess I was under the wrong impression about the Justice Department; I used to think they made morally justified decisions on behalf of all Americans. But I guess I was wrong, if the Supreme Court is of the President's party, the President can "ask" they rule in your favor. In other words, the President "owns" the Supreme Court.
Two words-WAR CRIMES!
No! She's lying. She couldn't even fool the 4th grader let alone the college students at Stanford. I love to see our future leaders regardless of age participating in our democracy. Out of the mouths of babes come "justice for all". Funny, how we lost our way over the last 8 years.
President Bush was guilty of "wilful blindness" in the executive actions of Vice President Dick Cheny"s decision to "go to the dark side". Wink Wink, nod nod, don't ask don't tell. Condalesa Rice was and remains complicit in this conduct.
They (Condi and Cheney) are feeling the increasing heat and public outrage. They are defensively trying to defend their lawbreaking decisions by citing the intense post 9/11 pressure they were under to keep the American people safe. Their pathetic leadership that has created more hatred and revenge seeking jihadists and put our military detainees at risk for even worse torture.
No! The attack on Iraq by the US was illegal and lies were the modus operandi. Condi's assertions are part of the thrust to avert prosecution for crimes against humanity –namely TORTURE!
Torture violates US law as well as international law to which we are signatories. Torture is illegal, immoral and un-American, as well as of dubious intelligence values.
Beatrice, Chelsea (Manhattan) (NYC)
No!!! I don't believe one word she says or any one else close to Pres. Bush and VP Cheney, that includes Rumsfeld and Rove. What we suspected, we are now learning that this group of bandits and the 6 legal counsel members are all crooks and I do hope there will be an investigation for the "TRUTH" as they will not give it to us.
Hey Jack, I didn't see you losing any sleep over the last 8 years when Bush was in office. He absolutely protected our country from another act. There was nothing illegal about it. The measures he took along with other figures ensured that America would not experience another 9/11. Obama's actions of disclosure and elimination of enhanced interrogation techniques will make our nation vulnerable. Answer me one question: What will you say when our troops are being beheaded due to Obama's leniency? I bet you'll think twice about protecting our troops to the fullest extent possible whatever it takes. You haven't served in a war so you don't know the stakes that are necessary to protect us. GET REALISTIC!
Rosemarie, Vero Beach, FL
Yes I believe her Jack. If you believed Tim Geithner just forgot to pay his taxes and then got appointed to head the Treasury Dept. of the USA, then I find it quite easy to trust Condoleezza Rice's comments.
David, Toronto, Canada
Wiretapping Americans before changing the FISA law was illegal. Hiring Halliburton, KBR and Blackwater were conflicts of interest for Cheney and should have been illegal. No one is above the law, including Bush and the thought of them getting away with it makes me sick.
Rice is nothing more than a puppet for bush. that administration has been proven liars, anybody that believes them probably also believes in the tooth fariy, and Santa Claus. The whole bunch should be in jail for lying to the american people. Karen in Oregon
Jack, I feel if you have to defend your behavior to a 4th grader that
sad. What is even sadder is she lied to 4th grader. Of couse
Condoleeze Rice ,President Bush and Vice President Cheney
are all guilt of breaking the law of Man and God!
I believe that if W.Bush said the world was flat. Rice would agree with him. So much for the G.O.P. The party of NO.
Condolezza Rice is LYING.......!!!!!!!!
Jack, Condi believes what she said. Thats the key here. AND her loyalty to Bush is (at once), unrelenting AND self-serving. She's smart enough to know that waterboarding conforms to the classic definition of torture but if she admits it, she's implicating herself.
Please, believe Condi!? Are you kidding? Like I said for the last eight years, if her lips are a movin', she's lying. Looks like nothing's changed.
No, I do not believe one word that comes out of Condoleezza's head. If Bush did not approve the torture program that his officials carried out, then they should be tried for insubordination for acting on their on without authorization from their boss. I don't think that you could water-board the truth out of these people.
After 8 years of Bush and Republicans giving big hughe financial money incentives to corporations to outsource American High Tech jobs over seas along with our personal information along with the Republicans telling Americans that the American worker is too dumb to do High Tech Jobs and Republicans telling American workers that the only jobs they qualify for are low paid service jobs, let me just say that I will never believe another word a Republican says again.
Wait a minute. Why is everyone focused on the Nixon comparison? Didn't Rice just say that approval for acts that included water boarding the treatment of Abu Ghraib prisoners originate in the White House Oval Office and were therfore legal? The lawers who defended the Abu Ghraib "few bad apple" officers must be smiling ear-to-ear. It seems to me that's the story here. Nixon is very old news.
No. I don't believe Ms. Rice. I think she should stick to playing the piano which she does very well.
This is the same person who read a memo two weeks before 9/11 and couldn't understand how or why we were attacked. As she said in her testimony before congress: "I believe the report in question was titled 'Osama Bin Laden determined to attack inside America." Now she expects us to believe that George Bush wouldn't do anything illegal like, I don't know completely ignoring a report outlining the worst attack on American soil. Yeah, she's got credibility in the same way Dick Cheney supposedly has a heart.
Yes, I do believe her. As a lifelong voting American, I pay attention to all the issues set before us. I know that President Bush did every thing he could posibly do within the law to protect this country. And protect it he did. I know the character of this great President.
We have a saying down here in Brooklyn: "No I don't believe that Condi is telling the truth."
Not only has she proved she didn't attend the anti-bullying taught to kindergarteners, she also proved she wouldn't qualify for,"Are you smarter then a fifth grader?"
She can't hold leather to a fourth grader, so can we just send her to Landsberg prison with her bosses.
I absolutely believe Condi! In spite of being back stabbed by the left, and the media, Condi is a brilliant American Patriot!
Jeff in New Britain, CT
Of course I absolutely believe her, don't you....of course I also believe in santa claus ,the easter bunny, leperchauns, the tooth fairy and the inherent goodness in all people...
Ms. Rice is covering her guilt, as well as the administration she served under. Why do they still think we are dumb enough to believe that torture did not take place? The Bush administration should be held accountable for war crimes. I would be proud that America is doing the moral & correct thing. Continuing to hide our sins from the world will never help our respect & standing in the international arena. It would also be a legal & moral cleansing to see Ms. Rice & her "bosses" found guilty of the following:
robbing the American Treasury
giving unfair advantage to the rich while squeezing the life out of Middle Class Americans
lying to get us into a very long war
making a hugh profit off of a war that should have never started
using the military and the brave American soldiers unjustly
Hmmmmm, believe anything from anyone in little george dubya bush's inner circle of obtuse minded neo cons? No. Many years ago I realized a funny play on Ms. Rice's name....so to rephrase your question to give myself a giggle.....do I believe an assertion made by CONDESCENDING RICE? Nope. As well, it appears her cement head is so far up her behind she's starting to lose her facial skin pigment.....have you noticed this too?.....hard to take someone who looks like they are trying to impress michael jackson very seriously ...Condescing Rice is as unbelievable, useless and harmful as her previous boss.
Have a nice evening Jack,
I believe Condi may have sincerely felt that Bush would not authorize anything illegal. But the definition of Bush's authorization making it legal is beyond sad. Just because it is or may be law doesn't make it right. There are two types of laws, just and unjust. Let us never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal and everything the Hungarian Freedom Fighters did in Hungary was illegal.
Sure I believe her, just like I believe everything else the federal government tells me.
The great thing about "enhanced interrogation" at Gitmo and in our CIA secret prison program is that it was done in secret. That way the federal government can tell us how effective torture was at keeping us all safe from another terrorist attack without showing us any evidence.
I feel so much safer now, don't you?
Oh, my GOD. Miss Mushroom Cloud?? BELIEVE HER?? You MUST be joking. I wouldn't believe her if she told me the sun was out in the daytime. It sure is fun to watch the revisionists like rice try to cover their guilty butts though. She and the rest of the war criminals should be swinging from a rope like the man whose country they illegally and falsely invaded and occupied. Their only argument is that if the president and his shysters SAID it was legal, it was. As Nixon found out, you can only push that unitary executive bs so far, and I think just maybe, if Obama gets out of the way, the bushies may find out it WAS torture, and they went too far. At least, I still have hope- not much, but a little.
jack,before i answer the question of the day,i will answer the question with a question.
-would mr bush invade a country under false pretences?
-would mister bush try to lick iraq to alqida ?
-would mr bush say the economy is doing fine when in reality the economy was in free fall as he was making this comment.
-would mr bush tell the head of fima (mr. brown )that he was doing a hell of a job during the katrina disaster?
-would mr bush tell the american people that the war with iraq would be a very short one and that it would just cost 2 or 3 billion dollars?
-would mr bush parrishute on a battleship and wave a banner that said mission accomplished?
the answer to the question of the day is a very obvious one -ofcourse rice would lie for mr bush
A close look at G W Bush indicates he has spent his life engaged in borderline illegal behavior usually with lots of cover. His AWOL and DUI were illegal with much third party papering of history. His record of capital punishments was semi-legitimized murder (including his mocking Carla Faye Tucker Brown clemency plea). His record number of signing statements sought distorted the meaning of legislation and barely legal. His selective dishonest misreps about the Iraq war was illegal and was not too different than his record number of capital punishments. Torture legal coverage keeps with his life long pattern of barely legal or illegal acts forever papered over or covered by lawyers, fathers or apologists. The question is whether anything G W Bush ever did could withstand the full light of day. His life like is election was borderline illegal.
This is not a surprise that Ms. Rice would say such things. She is not about to apologize for being an accessory to criminal acts against humanity lest she be held responsible. It’s a shameful time when people such as Mr. Chaney and Ms. Rice ascend to positions of authority and then proceed to undermine everything our country stands for by openly supporting horrible acts such as torture.
Jack, no offense to Dr. Rice, but this is a prime example of C-Y-B (or cover-your-butt) politics. As a skilled diplomat and adept politician, Dr. Rice should have known what is considered legal by national and international law. She is saying, in essence, “I was just following orders.” That does not make her less culpable since she knew better, but proceeded with his directions anyway.
No I do not believe Rice. She would say anything to help Bush look like a Saint. All Rice was good for was sitting at a 45 degree angel and smiling. Whether you believe in torture or not, is beside the point, according to the Geneva Convention.
First, I don't think legality was ever an encumbrance for an administration that was willing to move forward with the mass firing of prosecutors for their own ends. More importantly, however, whether or not the use of torture was legal pales as a question next to the query whether the use of torture was moral. Buying into the "legality" argument throws the focus off of the greater responsibility that reflection upon these past actions calls us towards as human beings.
Legality had little to do with what the Bush administration did? Deceiving the public about Iraq being guilty for 9-11 has caused results far more widespread and horrible than the torture. Which does not releave the harm of the torture.
Charlie of Santa Barbara
I believe her just as much as I believe she is a white woman with blonde hair and blue eyes. Her best bet would be to plead the 5th and lay out of site
I do NOT believe the Bush administration thought it was illegal. The made the best decision they could to keep our country safe based upon the information known and the circumstances at that time. It is real easy to sit back and question ever every decision made knowing what we know now and I think this whole story is nothing more than an Democratic witch hunt. Shame on them.
Anyone with a scintilla of awareness and intelligence and who has even a barely functioning moral and legal compass knows that he did. Unfortunately, if Rice REALLY believes what she says, she has become conveniently lacking regarding all those criteria.
Were her lips moving?
It's the same administration that told us there WMD in Iraq.
Manipulation of laws was Chenney's forte!
I believe the real question should be did she know it was illegal. As a person who became Sec. of State I believe that she had at least a small inkling that the US has convicted and hung other soldiers (Japanese in WW II and as far back as the U.S. occupation of the Philippines after the 1898 Spanish-American War, U.S. soldiers were court-martialed for using the "water cure" to question Filipino guerrillas). With this history how can Ms. Rice say that she was unaware it was illegal, no matter what Bush said. Condoleeza Rice had a moral obligation to the American people to say to Bush that these actions were not only illegal, but morally wrong.
Jack, is that all you have? Seriously, a debate with a fourth grader? What if, as Wolf just is about to talk about, terrorist got their hands on nukes in Pakistan? You and the rest of the far left need to wake up! All of this Monday morning quarterbacking is what weakens our country and divides our us further as evident in this blog. NOT the "pouring water on a terrorist" and "placing a terrorist in a box with eeeks "a bug that might sting!" Get a grip!!! We faced unkown dangers after 9/11 and Bush kept us safe ever since whether you want to admit it or not!!!
How could she say that with out breaking out laughing. Or did her nose just get a foot longer?
I believe her because it was Dick Cheney who authorized everything illegal in the Bush adminstration, George Bush was "Acting President"
Rice is doing what anyone else would do in her position...defending a lie that could prove she and other administration officials are guilty of war crimes.
No, I don't believe her and I don't believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny .
If any law student at Stanford University, Ms Rices' present employer, ever gave her answer to this question on an exam, he or she would flunk .
"Bush would never do anything illegal". Isn't that what Wall Street and the SEC thought about Medoff before the "stuff hit" the fan.
With an intelligence memo on her desk stating that terrorists may be planning to crash commercial airliners into targets in the USA, Ms. Rice stated that no one could have anticipated terrorists crashing commercial airliners into targets in the USA. Condoleezza Rice now says President Bush would not have authorized anything illegal. She lied once to the nation to protect her behind, there is no reason to believe she did not do it again in response to questions about torture.
Didn't President Obama just a couple of weeks ago uncover files and video's of C.I.A torturing people for answers? This had to be authorized by president Bush to do so and I don't recall anywhere in the amendment or any other set of rules for the United States, it saying to torture people severely for interrogation.
Bush would not authorize anything illegal? Ha! Virtually everything he did for eight years was incompetent, immoral, or illegal. From corrupting the Justice Department with political appointees, to trying to sell the ports to Dubai, to no-bid contracts to Halliburton/KBR, to his handling of Katrina, to manipulating us into a war that is still going on whose rationale changed four times, Please... everyone involved in that administration should be tried for negligence...., at very least.
Send the Gitmo Prisoners to the Bush neighborhood to be imprisoned in Texas.
Now, with Condi's comment that they did not torture, did nothing illegal because if the President does it ,it's not illegal, you begin to understand WHY ,AS SECRETARY OF STATE, SHE ACCOMPOLISHED NOTHING .
Bush 43 is well on his way to being considered one of the worst Presidents in American History and being surrounded by people like Condi Rice explains part of the reason.
Condi Rice is a liar, plain and clear. She knows that water-boarding is illegal and goes against the laws of the Geneva Convention. During her examination to become Secretary of State it was pointed out that she had written a covering letter to the CIA telling them in effect to do whatever was necessary to get information from captives. No one expects the former Secy of State and former NSA to admit to the truth that the Bush administration deliberately used torture and so she should shut her mouth before her poll numbers began to drop down to the level of the Prince of Darkness, Dick Cheney.
It is not a matter of believing or not, but in general when it comes to harsh torture technique; my mind seek for an answer, what is the difference between civilized society and primitive? Think Tit for Tate or Hammurabi Law.
Of course, we know that a righteous man like George Bush, would never even think of torture. Anyone that would even let it cross their mind that George Bush would ever do anything, in anyway wrong, should be given a beating.
NNOOOOOO! He'll lie and she'll swear to it. They should both be sitting in a jail cell.
Come on Condi, if this President could intentionally lie us into a war, do you expect us to believe that he wouldn't lie about authorizing torture. I am in complete agreement with famed prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi's book "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder" and unfortunately there is lots of blame to go around namely, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Karl Rove, Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell and the man who never left the White House and was advising President Bush for eight years, Henry Kissinger.
In a word: NO!
I think Ms. Rice and Mr. Cheney come from a world where up is down, yes is no, and torture is just an amusing date.
Her only ethical argument is situational and never mind that in its entire dreary history, torture has not had a good track record in extracting real information only in ruining lives which I believe was the actual intention.
It seems like they are fishing for compliments and they will get none from this American.
Rice gave up her dignity and respect by backing W's regieme, I wouldn't believe anything she says concerning the wicked Bush regieme!
Condi is a brilliant lady who is awed by and dedicated to President George W. Bush. She stood up for him when the 9/11 Commission questioned her about the briefing by the Clinton administration regarding the threat that Al Qaida posed prior to the attack. She boldly said that the memo warning us of an imminent threat of attack was not worth acting on. Condi is now doing her best to protect the former President from indictment for crimes against humanity, torture. She is bound to say that Bush was right in this as well.
Rice&entire Bush adm misled the american people on most issues.the huge problems america&the world face today are direct result of Rice & entire Bush adm's lack of ability&the huge mistake by the voters.if u believe in fairy tales,u would believe CondiRice. l do not
Yes, i do belive her. I am so thankful that we have not been attacked again (so far). I think it was from the information we recieved from the interagations. Why, might I ask is this such a huge deal, when the terrorists were beheading inocent people not a whole lot was said. Now that was truly horrific.
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