Comments on: Why are frequent churchgoers more likely to support torture? http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/01/why-are-frequent-churchgoers-more-likely-to-support-torture/ Tell Jack how you really feel Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:00:35 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: mitch http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/01/why-are-frequent-churchgoers-more-likely-to-support-torture/#comment-969054 mitch Fri, 01 May 2009 21:16:07 +0000 http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/?p=5638#comment-969054 I don't know why but this is why I quit going to church. Organized religion has gotten why out of hand and almost cult-like. These conservative churchgoers say they are rightous by being anti-abortion, yet they turn around and support things like torture and the death penalty. I don't know why but this is why I quit going to church. Organized religion has gotten why out of hand and almost cult-like. These conservative churchgoers say they are rightous by being anti-abortion, yet they turn around and support things like torture and the death penalty.

]]> By: carlos Pippa http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/01/why-are-frequent-churchgoers-more-likely-to-support-torture/#comment-969050 carlos Pippa Fri, 01 May 2009 21:16:03 +0000 http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/?p=5638#comment-969050 It does not surprise me. These were the same people in the for front of segregation, many of them were leaders of the KKK, the last ones interested in social justice. They have a very narrow definition of family values and being pro-life. It does not surprise me. These were the same people in the for front of segregation, many of them were leaders of the KKK, the last ones interested in social justice. They have a very narrow definition of family values and being pro-life.

]]> By: James http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/01/why-are-frequent-churchgoers-more-likely-to-support-torture/#comment-969051 James Fri, 01 May 2009 21:16:03 +0000 http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/?p=5638#comment-969051 If you go to church you are told of stories that involve torture from a young age. So you are used to the idea that torture can be a tool used for good. Also they believe that if you have god on your side that it's okay to use any method possible to protect your beliefs. If you go to church you are told of stories that involve torture from a young age. So you are used to the idea that torture can be a tool used for good. Also they believe that if you have god on your side that it's okay to use any method possible to protect your beliefs.

]]> By: Charles, Fremont, Indiana http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/01/why-are-frequent-churchgoers-more-likely-to-support-torture/#comment-969045 Charles, Fremont, Indiana Fri, 01 May 2009 21:15:55 +0000 http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/?p=5638#comment-969045 Jack, They probably remember the old saying...remember the past or you are doomed to repeat it. I still have nightmares of looking out of a window in a skyscraper seeing a jumbo jet heading right towards me. Must be easy to second guess success. What would they say about President Bush if we got attacked more than the two that happened on 9/11/2001. Church goers are not door mats. Jack,

They probably remember the old saying...remember the past or you are doomed to repeat it. I still have nightmares of looking out of a window in a skyscraper seeing a jumbo jet heading right towards me. Must be easy to second guess success. What would they say about President Bush if we got attacked more than the two that happened on 9/11/2001. Church goers are not door mats.

]]> By: Liz http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/01/why-are-frequent-churchgoers-more-likely-to-support-torture/#comment-969039 Liz Fri, 01 May 2009 21:15:47 +0000 http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/?p=5638#comment-969039 That's easy Jack! From my conversation with "regular churchgoers", most seem to believe that their religion is the "true" one. From that belief, especially in conservative churches adn ideologies, getting people to believe that their religion is threatened, be it by other religions, gays, or terrorists, is easy. And once people buy into this simplistic view of the world, it's a cinch to justify just about anything. That's easy Jack! From my conversation with "regular churchgoers", most seem to believe that their religion is the "true" one. From that belief, especially in conservative churches adn ideologies, getting people to believe that their religion is threatened, be it by other religions, gays, or terrorists, is easy. And once people buy into this simplistic view of the world, it's a cinch to justify just about anything.

]]> By: AngelusQuest http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/01/why-are-frequent-churchgoers-more-likely-to-support-torture/#comment-969040 AngelusQuest Fri, 01 May 2009 21:15:47 +0000 http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/?p=5638#comment-969040 Churchgoers support torture because they feel justified in these activities. Almost without exception, religious folk of all faiths believe that their imaginary friend is the only answer to the world's ills. They are raised from birth to never question their leaders or their leaders' interpretations of ancient works of fiction. Religion has been a leading cause of war, intolerance, and violence world wide despite the hypocrisy of their actions. The world will never be safe as long as religious zealots are allowed to push the agendas of the voices in their heads on the rational thinking majority. Churchgoers support torture because they feel justified in these activities. Almost without exception, religious folk of all faiths believe that their imaginary friend is the only answer to the world's ills. They are raised from birth to never question their leaders or their leaders' interpretations of ancient works of fiction. Religion has been a leading cause of war, intolerance, and violence world wide despite the hypocrisy of their actions. The world will never be safe as long as religious zealots are allowed to push the agendas of the voices in their heads on the rational thinking majority.

]]> By: Shelby Morrison http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/01/why-are-frequent-churchgoers-more-likely-to-support-torture/#comment-969036 Shelby Morrison Fri, 01 May 2009 21:15:42 +0000 http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/?p=5638#comment-969036 I am a regular church-goer and I do not agree with my fellow Protestants in thinking that torture is ever justified. Some of my compatriots also think that God is speaking in their ear and, therefore, whatever they think must be His will. This is scarey! If God speaks so clearly, either personally of through the Bible, how can there be so many interpretations claiming to be the word of God? How do we know which one is actually God's word? I am a regular church-goer and I do not agree with my fellow Protestants in thinking that torture is ever justified. Some of my compatriots also think that God is speaking in their ear and, therefore, whatever they think must be His will. This is scarey! If God speaks so clearly, either personally of through the Bible, how can there be so many interpretations claiming to be the word of God? How do we know which one is actually God's word?

]]> By: Charles Brobst http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/01/why-are-frequent-churchgoers-more-likely-to-support-torture/#comment-969030 Charles Brobst Fri, 01 May 2009 21:15:32 +0000 http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/?p=5638#comment-969030 I am an Evangelical Protestant and I absolutely abhor torture, Bush and all he stood for. I can only hope that the poll which was the basis of this accusation was somehow flawed. I am an Evangelical Protestant and I absolutely abhor torture, Bush and all he stood for. I can only hope that the poll which was the basis of this accusation was somehow flawed.

]]> By: Adrian Roscher http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/01/why-are-frequent-churchgoers-more-likely-to-support-torture/#comment-969029 Adrian Roscher Fri, 01 May 2009 21:15:31 +0000 http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/?p=5638#comment-969029 It seems to me that the more church-going one is, the less one is likely to question authority and the more likely one is to accept the use by authority of means such as torture. Plus don't forget that the Catholic church invented many means of torture - and waterboarded in the Inquisition. It seems to me that the more church-going one is, the less one is likely to question authority and the more likely one is to accept the use by authority of means such as torture. Plus don't forget that the Catholic church invented many means of torture – and waterboarded in the Inquisition.

]]> By: Kwesoe http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/01/why-are-frequent-churchgoers-more-likely-to-support-torture/#comment-969028 Kwesoe Fri, 01 May 2009 21:15:30 +0000 http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/?p=5638#comment-969028 Jack, Anyone who says they are Christian and support torture is still living in Old Testament times. The teachings of Jesus from which Christians derive their ethic is based primarily on love for all, including neighbors and enemies. Suffice to say that the Bible as a whole is a very violent book. Think of the Cain and Able story, the story of Joshua, the numerous wars of King David and conquest of pagan kings. Even Jesus' treatment by the Romans support this claim. Jesus tried to sway the society of his time away from that violence and move them toward peace and reconciliation that he describes as love. But human nature being what it is, people still like to draw blood, an eye for an eye is easier and more retaliatory than loving terrorists. To rise above this human temptation to retaliate is the Christian challenge and many so-called Christian have difficulty meeting that challenge. Jack,
Anyone who says they are Christian and support torture is still living in Old Testament times. The teachings of Jesus from which Christians derive their ethic is based primarily on love for all, including neighbors and enemies. Suffice to say that the Bible as a whole is a very violent book. Think of the Cain and Able story, the story of Joshua, the numerous wars of King David and conquest of pagan kings. Even Jesus' treatment by the Romans support this claim. Jesus tried to sway the society of his time away from that violence and move them toward peace and reconciliation that he describes as love. But human nature being what it is, people still like to draw blood, an eye for an eye is easier and more retaliatory than loving terrorists. To rise above this human temptation to retaliate is the Christian challenge and many so-called Christian have difficulty meeting that challenge.

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