FROM CNN's Jack Cafferty:
Minnesota has become a joke - unless you live there and would like your voice represented in the United States Senate. 161 days after the election and they're still trying to figure out who won the senate race between incumbent Republican Norm Coleman and Democrat Al Franken.
Franken (L) has urged Coleman (R) to let him "get to work as soon as possible."
A three-judge panel has now ruled against Coleman, saying that "Franken is entitled to receive the certificate of election" after defeating Coleman by 312 votes. But it's unlikely that the Minnesota secretary of state will issue that certificate until all legal challenges are exhausted.
I'm exhausted watching this... looks like a Three Stooges movie. Coleman has 10 days to appeal the ruling to the state Supreme Court; and if he loses at the state level, there's always the federal level.
Coleman's lawyer says they'll appeal to the State Supreme Court because the lower court's order "wrongly disenfranchised" thousands of voters. I wonder if they'd be appealing if Coleman had 312 more votes.
Franken says he's confident he'll eventually be certified. He's calling on Coleman not to appeal and to "let me get to work as soon as possible." He added it's time for Minnesota to have 2 senators like every other state.
Minnesota is starting to look like a third world country - the land of 10,000 lakes and a dysfunctional democracy. We send people to monitor elections in foreign countries. Maybe next time we should send some to Minneapolis.
Here’s my question to you: What's wrong with Minnesota if 5 1/2 months after the election they still don't know who the winner is?
Interested to know which ones made it on air?
Phil from Washington writes:
There's actually nothing wrong with Minnesota. It's Norm Coleman, you know, the man from the party of "no". Give it up, Coleman, you're toast. Give the Minnesotans a chance to become represented once again. You're a sore loser and should be ashamed of your antics.
Charles from Lawrence, New Jersey writes:
Desperation sums it up. The GOP is treading water in the shark tank with a side of ribs as a life preserver. This is their last chance at obstruction in Congress.
Shane from Boston writes:
Absolutely nothing. That's what democracy is these days. Rather than take the beating you probably deserved in your home state because you weren't a very good senator in the first place, you fight tooth and nail to make sure you don't have to find a real job like the rest of us. Somehow, I'm not sure this is what the framers had in mind 233 years ago.
Tim from Minnesota writes:
Hey Jack, Please don't blame Minnesota, we made our choice for the U.S. Senate and it is Al Franken. Most of the politicos agree that Minnesota has some of the cleanest election laws in the country. Why not take a look at where the money for all of Norm Coleman's legal challenges is coming from? The Republican Party maybe? Or are all of his lawyers doing their work pro bono, for the good of all America? Yeah, right.
John from Wisconsin writes:
Counting isn't exactly Minnesota's best talent. The land of 10,000 lakes actually has 11,842 of them. It's easier for them to count all of their Super Bowl victories.
Jerry from Alpharetta, Georgia writes:
Now I know where those retirees who run Florida's election system came from.
Quentin from New York writes:
Well, politics can be a little like a certain pill. If you're experiencing an election lasting longer than five months, call your courts.
There's nothing wrong with Minnesota. The same cannot be said for Norm Coleman. And he is being propped up financially by Republicans from around the country. They simply don't want the Democrats to have 59 Senate votes. It would be harder for the Republicans to block the will of the voters (as expressed in the results of the 2008 election nationwide) then.
It wouldn't be democracy without an endless appeals system, would it? To the Supreme Court we go!
The problem in Minnesota is it"s the lawyers and no longer the people that are deciding the election. They are depriving the people of Minnesota their fair say at a time of historic economic crisis
This is dragging on becuase although Norm Coleman was very quick to suggest that Al Franken conceed on election day when Coleman was up by 200 votes, now that every recount and court decision has gone Al Franken's way, Coleman refuses to follow his own advice. Yet another Republican hypocrite? You betcha!
And of course, the Republican party is terrified of a 59th vote in the Senate.
If you remember, when Coleman was up after the election, he stated franken shouldn't waste MN tax money w/ a recount. Even though a recount was automatic. He has had no problem wasting taxpayer & GOP money since. As long as the GOP in DC keeps sending him money, he will continue to file appeals & deprive the state of their 2nd Senator. And Pawlenty stated he would certify Coleman if he was in the lead after a certain date. Why won't he sign Franken's certification? GOP politics at their worst. They care about themselves, not the citizens!!!
They DO know who the winner is, and have for some time: Al Franken. The real question is: what's wrong with Norm Coleman if 5 1/2 months after he lost, he still won't drop his frivolous lawsuit and let the people of MN have the senator they elected? It's a shame Mr. Coleman is such a sore loser.
Please don't blame Minnesota, we made our choice for the US Senate and it is Al Franken. Most of the politicos that I have seen on CNN agree that Minnesota has some of the cleanest election laws in the country. Why not take a look at where the money is coming from for all of Norm Coleman's legal challenges. The Republican party maybe? Or are all of his lawyers doing their work Pro Bono, for the good of all America?....yeah, right.
Counting isn't exactly Minnesota's best talent. The land of 10,000 lakes actually has 11,842 of them.
It's easier for them to count all of their Super Bowl victories.
John, NFL Team owner in Wisconsin, land of 15,081 lakes and a few more Super Bowl Victories.
We know who the winner is in Minnesota. It's Al Franken. The only reason he's not been seated is because Republicans will exhaust all means, no matter how frivilous, to obstruct Obama's agenda.
Post partisanship you can believe in.
What's wrong with Minnesota? Norm Coleman...with all due respect to Will Rogers, Coleman is not a member of any organized political party..he's a Republican!
What's wrong with Minnesota? Perhaps "what's wrong with Norm Coleman?" is a better question. Allowing Coleman access to all possible avenues of appeal isn't Minnesota nice, it's the law. Despite the fact that most Minnesotans aren't happy about it, Coleman has the right to keep trying as long as the courts allow him to – that's the mark of an election system working like it's supposed to, not the mark of a "third-world country." I'm a Franken supporter, but Coleman has rights, too.
There's nothing wrong with Minnesota, Jack. It's still a great place to live (I say that after moving here nearly 50 years ago), The "what's wrong" should really be applied to Norm Coleman and the Republican Party. The Party simply doesn't want to lose that crucial vote; I doubt if the leaders really care about Norm. If he gives up now, he can kiss any future as a serious Republican Party player goodbye.
The problem is one man's ego. By not accepting the election results and filing yet another appeal, Mr. Coleman is elevating his personal agenda above the will of the people of Minnesota. If Mr. Coleman is committed to being a "servant of the people" then he needs acquiese to the electoral decision made by the people he wants to serve.
The Minnesota election is just another sign of the divisive nature of our political system right now. We have gone from two groups working together to keep the nation moving forward to two groups fighting each other and ignoring the nation's needs. If Coleman cared about Minnesota he would have bowed out by now so that the state could be properly represented with 2 senators. But then, who knows. If the shoe were on the other foot Franken would probably be still fighting too. We need to get rid of the two party system and allow new ones in so that we can stop the stranglehold they have on our nation.
Republicans think courts elect public officials. Enough said.
Hey Jack, This is the same state that elected Michelle Bachman – I rest my case!
There's nothing wrong with Minnesota. The state just has the misfortune of becoming one more front in the scorched earth election tactics of Republicans. We saw it Florida in 2000, Minnesota in '08, and now New York's special election in '09.
Coleman claims to be litigating on behalf of the people of Minnesota, but the whole point of their fighting is to get Democratic votes discounted. Coleman knows he has no shot at this point. He and his lawyers are doing the bidding of the Republican leadership by poisoning the electoral waters for the Democrats next time around.
Jack: Politicians are so corrupted , It is hard to know what they are thinking of. I use to be a good american.Today I lost it all. the (w.h.) is out of touch with the WORLD. They don't hear us, They don't care what we want.I don't know what they want either.(MONEY) is what they hear
If the Republications had allowed AlGore to have a full vote recount in Florida in 2000, who do you think would have been president. Do you think this problem in Minn. might be the same situation only in reverse? I grew up in Minn. and thought they had better sense!
Sorta sounds like the Florida debacle of 2000,
We need someone to say as Al Gore did in 2000,
"this has gone on long enough" I will not appeal
There's nothing wrong with MN. It is Norm Coleman who doesn't know his goose is cooked. He's the former Senator from MN and it's about time he represents the interests of the constituents by letting them have full representation. Al Franken is suprisingly patient and I'm glad he will be named the Junior Senator from MN
It's called polarity between conservative republicans and liberal democrats. Coleman has lost at every step of the process – election, canvassing board, three judge panel. Clearly he is only trying to block an opposition party from claiming office. He hasn't learned the basic political fact – count the votes and one vote less than the opposition loses the election.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Minnesota Jack. They had an extremely close election, and they are following their laws to determine who won it. After the last 8 years, I would think you would be happy to see a government in this country that is determined to follow the laws and see that everything is done correctly.
Right now, I am certain everyone in the state of Minnesota is more tired of the delay than you are. But it is not up to the Secretary of State, nor the Governor or even the courts. It is up to Norm Coleman, who has the right under the laws of the state to file another appeal. His continued abuse of the laws does not mean there is anything wrong with the state. Just the political hack that is hurting the people of the state and the Republican party leadership that is urging him on.
If Coleman was a democrat the Republicans would be demanding he give up the fight. A quick review is acceptable but 5 months? Coleman needs to call it quits.
I heard Minnesota sent folks down to Florida to learn to count. Well maybe not. Coleman knows it is over. He is more than a sore looser he is trying his best to prevent the demos and Obama from having control that they won and deserve. Truth is the repos had their chance an every major problem we have today is due to them.
We moved to NV in September of 2008 – just before the election but CERTIANLY would have voted for Franken. Minnesota HAS decided who won – the courts have spoken! Let the Franken reign begin! It is all politics – the 'republicans' are sore losers! Come on – Minnesota deserves representation NOW!
I don't believe the state is fully to blame. Coleman should set his pride asside for the well-being of the state. It doesn't matter if you lose by one vote or thousands, a sore-loser is never appreciated.
Your right, we are a joke. The big bosses that run the Republican Party here in Minnesota, cannot accept the fact that Franken won because we the people actually voted him in. They are unable to face facts. They keep hoping that Franken will be a good sport and concede, even tho it should be the other way around.
We all know who the winner is. I think it is time for Minnesota to stop playing games with a poor loser like Coleman. It makes the whole state look like a bunch of losers.
What is wrong in Minneapolis is that the DFL(MN's version of the Democratic party) has controlled the city since the 1970s. The only competition is within the party itself. At one time, I was active in the DFL but the extremists took over the party and I gave up. It is easier to control the caucus system than it is to get elected in a true open election. The entire state isn't as bad, but Minnesota's major problem is that there is no longer a healthy two-party system. Our politics is dysfunctional and this is the way the nation is going with the control of Congress, Senate and Presidency in the hands of the more liberal faction of the Democratic party.
Until this election voter fraud, I never thought I'd distrust the election process. It had problems, sure. But now? I doubt many of the ballots that were counted in Hennepin (Mpls) and Ramsey (St. Paul) counties as well as the ballots that were counted up on the Iron Range.
Jack – Thanks for all the kind words about Minnesota. I suspect Mr. Frankin, if in Coleman's position, would be doing exactly the same thing. The stakes in the US Senate are high and both camps are getting pressure and funding not only from Minnesota but from without. Make no mistake; Coleman isn't doing anything Frankin wouldn't be doing himself in the same situtation, but you can bet that if Frankin gets seated, he'll accuse Coleman of denying Minnesota a two-Senator voice since January.
There is nothing wrong with the Minnesota recount. Taking the time to correctly identify the winner is appropriate. It is in the light of the rushed and aborted 2000 Florida preisdential recount that the Franken-Coleman race seems out of step.
Norm Coleman has to admit defeat and concede. Dean Barkley was a spoiler in this election, he took 15% of the vote, most of which would have otherwise gone to Franken. If Minnesota were to have a runoff election, it would not be so close.
The problem isn't just with Minnesota,Jack. The problem is politicians who are sore losers and a justice system that affords people the right to appeal a decision time and time again. In my opinion you should get as many appeals as it takes to get the same decision twice in a row. That will prevent a split decision from happening and will be fair for all involved.
In cases in which election results show a separation that is only a fraction of the margin of error, we fall into the trap of an overly litigious society. Some deadlines could help, but they would have to be safe from legal challenge themselves.
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
What else do we expect from the Republicans. They got their butts kicked in the last 2 elections and they are showing they are poor losers. Newt Gingritch complaing about the White House dog story. Every time a Democrat makes the news a sore headed Republican has to say something bad about him or pick on something he has done. What a bunch of sore losers. Two of the biggest money institutions have shown a good profit the first quarter.
It's ironic that the Republicans are in the same situation the Democrats were placed in during the 2000 Presidential election. Except now that the tables are turned, we see how childishly they handle themselves. Gore won the 2000 election by 543,895 popular votes, and still had the class to concede the election in Florida after just a month or so. Coleman, you lost. Don't be such a sore loser.
I cannot help but feel that if this were left to Minnesotans and the candidates, it would be over by now. Coleman, however, can count on virtually unlimited financial and moral support from the coffers of the national party, which is desperately trying to keep its minority role in the Senate from being even more marginalized.
As long as the outside money flows, it will likely continue for many more months to come. "Ludicrous" is too mild a description of the contiuing farce.
What's wrong with Minnesota? Republicans. They can't afford to give up another seat in the house, no matter how rediculous they look trying to show a happy face as they slide down the political ladder.
Norm Coleman and the Republicans have become a joke and the more they draw this out the more ridiculous they look. Between this, the unfortunately named "tea bagging" of the House, Senate, the White House and their divisive nature in every vote in the House, Senate the Republicans are driving themselves faster to obscurity every day. Perhaps a third party can take up the slack after the Republican party completely implodes in on itself.
I'm loving it...they are making us (Florida) look good..
Wrong question – we already know who won, they just won"t admit it. Norm Colman is the poster boy for why we need tort reform
How many times does the state have to tell Norm Coleman that he lost before he stops costing the state millions! How many vote have been decided without the voice of the people of Minnesota because of Norm Coleman, far too many!
Give up and go into something else dude, no one wants you in office the people have spoken!!!
I believe this makes the whole country look like a third world country and yes maybe we do need some ther country to monitor our elections. The Republicians are at a loss for what to do now that it looks like the very rich will no longer run the country while the less rich pay for all the graft that the Republicians have created.
As liberal as Minnesotans are, we love our local politicians to be representative of our great state. We don't think it is the end of the world to have a democratic majority in the house and senate. Neither do we think it a catastrophe to have a republican representative. In fact, mix representation would have helped us prevent many of the major burdens left on us by the previous administration.
Coleman and Franken are bickering like a bunch of two-year-old children over a toy that both of them want. Minnesota is not a toy– we're a state full of people. This was entertaining at first. Now I feel ashamed that our possible state leaders are making such fools of themselves.
It isn't Minnesota, it's the republican senator who lost causing all the trouble. Worse yet, he's being fueled by the republican party to keep the democrat's majority from increasing. It's the republicans who are holding Minnesota hostage for their own self interest. If the situation were reversed, you can bet their call would be for the opponent to concede. I wish all republicans would go away!
Jack: There's nothing wrong with Minnesota, but plenty wrong with the Republican Party. If the governor and secretary of state in Minnesota were Democrats, they would accept the court's ruling and certify Al Franken as Minnesota's junior senator. This charade is strictly to delay adding another Democratic vote in the Senate, so the Republican Party has an easier time thwarting Barack Obama's agenda. And they have the nerve to claim they have the country's interests at heart. What hypocrites!
Martin in Pennsylvania
maybe having a comedian for a senator is really the joke.
They know who the winner is,They just won't accept it...
Joe – Chicago, IL
The state has no money for that, the state is broke, Coleman needs to get over it! And stop wasting the peoples time and money because he is selfish!
Jack, the problem in Minnesota is Norm Coleman. he's figured out that after losing to a wrestler for governor and a comedian in his Senate re=election bid he has no future here. So he is just hoping that by doing whatever is necessary to keep Al out of the Senate, he can wrangle a job with the RNC. He could care less about Minnesota (which may have been his problem all along.)
A lot of people in MN voted for the 3rd party candidate because neither Norm or Al seemed qualified to represent us. Norm is just proving why he didn't deserve the job (and but for a tragic plane crash and disastrous memorial service, wouldn't have had it in the first place).
We may see an appeal to the International Court in the Hague before dear Norm concedes, just in time for us to vote in the next election.
Jack, I live in Minnesota. . .there are so many needs here, like every other state ie road construction, jobs and forclosures. If Coleman truly was a patriot he'd do the right thing so we could be fairly represented in Washington, and attend to these needs. But, sadly, it seems to be "all about Norm" !
There is nothing wrong with Minnesota.The question should be what is wrong with Norm Coleman? He is pretending to act like his rights have been violated, but the recount process has been fair and the three judge panel has ruled. He is disgraceful, and I hope he is does not have plans to run for public office again. What a loser!
This is just another case of why only corrupted "good old boys" politicians are in politics. Anyone else trying to get in to actually "serve the people" are given the full court press until they finally exhaust themselves into saying "the Hell with it, I don't need this"
All Al Franken has to do is refer back to the advice of his alter ego and remember the Daily Affirmation of Stuart Smalley, "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me." Case closed.
There is nothing wrong with MN per se. The state simply needs to close the small legal loophole in which the loser in a very close election has the right to as many legal challenges of the count before certification by their Secretary of State and Governor. Trust me, if Coleman had been able to hold onto his early lead throughout this process, and Franken would be using this "law" to circumvent the certification of Coleman, the GOP would be screaming foul. The GOP does not want Franken seated because this would give the Dems in the Senate the votes they need to stop any GOP led filibuster. This is about the GOP not wanting to cede the power to the Dems. The GOP needs to stop funnelling money to support Coleman and let the people of Minnesota to finally have the representation they deserve. If they do not want Franken, I am sure he will lose any re-election bid.
The loss of representation in the Senate should anger every Minnesota voter, not just those who voted for the apparent winner. Coleman seems to be operating under the master plan for the GOP; resist being dragged into the 21st century no matter what the cost to the populace or nation. How similar to the mullas of Iraq and Afghanistan in political machination can the GOP be?
Jack they are still frozen. Minnesotians and Norm Coleman have to realize that their are intelligent comedians that can be in politics. The whole fiasco has been ridiculous and epitomizes the flaws of our government in the election process.
On election night (or maybe the day after) I vividly remember Norm Coleman urging Al Franken to do the right thing and concede.
Funny thing, five months and a judicially supervised recount later, Norm Coleman is not willing to do the right thing and concede himself. The entire Minnesota election has turned into a circus, and Norm Coleman is the Chief Clown. Hang it up now, Norm!
A Republican Governor doing the bidding of his dysfunctional masters in Washington...keep the Democrats out at any cost. We hope the voters in Minnesota remember this circus and the ring master lizard Pawlenty.
Jack, the problem with Minnesota is they have the Vikings, if they were Packer fans like 50 years ago, they would have settled the election on election eve so it wouldn't interfere with the football season.
They have a Republican Governor & a soon to be Republican EX-Senator. Coleman is a dead man walking & no way should that race be given the opportunity to drag on & on & on at the behest of a well-funded GOP and a bunch of very rich lawyers for 5+ mos with no no Senator representing the good people of Minnesota. Hopefully they will change the system just a Florida did after the 2000 Presidential fiasco. Bottom-line is if Mr. Coleman had done his job as the US Senator representing his state, he would have won hands down. The Republicans STILL don't get it and maybe in the next 16 yrs or so they will.
Jack, Do you really think that if Al Franken were down by 300 votes, that he would not be challenging the results? If the methods of doing the counting and discounting of votes is not uniform in all the counties of Minnesota, that is not fair to either of the candidates. Minnesota is not only a sham for how they conduct their elections, it also appears they are insane to have elected an extremely nasty, mean spirited guy such as Al Franken. The state should be embarrassed to be sending this guy to Washington for 6 years. Of course, this is the same state that elected Jessie Ventura as their governor.
They know who the winner is – even Coleman knows who the winner is. This is not about finding out the truth about who the winner is – it is about playing the system and delaying the inevitable as long as possible – anything to obstruct. There was a day when there was some dignity in the process and candidates conceded rather than deprive the voters of representation. The republicans have sunk low on this one and I for one – hope they keep it up – what better way to show their true colors.
I think the winner is obvious, but it seem the Republicans choose not to recognize that they have lost at the ballot box and in the courts. They look like sore losers. Denial is more than a river in Egypt. Enough! Seat Franken and move on.
Coleman has no future in the state and he knows it, give up dude you look sad!
When Senator Paul Wellstone died the abensentee votes that had already been cast for him were disenfranchised but not the early votes for Coleman. Perhaps what we have now is overdue karma for Sen. Coleman. It is time to move on in Minnesota.
This doesn't surprise me in the least. This is typical of Florida (whoops), I mean Minnesota politics. Remember 2000 when the Republicans bussed in hundreds of paid protesters from out of state to disrupt the recount in Florida? They will do anything, anytime to steal an election. When Coleman led in the count he was against a recount, now that Franken leads, Coleman wants to make sure no one is disenfranchised. Yea right! Give it up, the voters will get the last word this time! Maybe?
How about this Jack. Neither of them get to be Senator and the Govenor of Minnesota appoints Alaskas Ted Stevens to be their Senator for one term. He is the only person who deserves to be called a Senator. Hey Jack I also noticed you omit the fact that Coleman won the election and that Frankens 500+ vote lead came from the questionable recount standards. Why is that?
Correction: there IS a winner. The only person who doesn't realize that fact is Norm 'I ain't gonna go' Coleman.
You have to remember that Minnesota has a long history of these kinds of shenanigans. From Hubert Humphrey's verboseness to a professional wrestler governor who fought both sides of the political spectrum. So it comes as no surprise that Coleman, who by the was beat by the wrestling governor in that election, would continue this sad charade in this one. Give it up,Norm.
What happened to Senator Coleman trying to "spare the voters" by asking Franken to concede rather than recount……now Coleman has no concern about the voters being left without a Senator only about himself………This is just a desperate attempt by the Republicans to keep Democratic Senator 59 from coming on board……….Pathetic
Jack this reminds me of Doug Llewelyn's parting line from the old People's Court: "If someone beats you at the polls, don't take the law into your own hands, you take them to court."
It's contemptible that Norm would deny his former constituents in MN the Equal Representation guaranteed by the 14th amendment. One of them should sue _him_.
There's nothing wrong with Minnesota. We voted. It was close and we had a mandatory recount. We knew who the winner was after the recount and now a panel of judges have confirmed that. There's something wrong with a candidate who refuses to acknowledge that the people of Minnesota, and it's legal system, have spoken. Norm Coleman and the Republican Party are just dragging this out as long as possible to prevent another Democratic vote in the United States Senate. They are the ones who have disenfranchised all Minnesota residents who are entitled to 2 U.S. Senators representing them. Mr. Coleman – it's time to step down and let Minnesotans have their full voice in the Senate at this critical time for our nation and our state.
Mary Ellen – Coon Rapids, Minnesota
Nothing's wrong with Minnesota, just shows that Minnesota is a land of laws.
If Franken would make 60 senators in the Democratic caucus then it would be huge the sooner he was seated but as is its not that big a deal.
Personally, looks to me like its just one more thing making the Republicans look like sore losers and obstructionists.
Republicans are natural born sore losers. Norm Coleman is no Exception. He's another example of the No Parties inability to accept reality. He's a crazy as Michelle Bachman. It must ba a Minnesota thing.
MN election law stipulates that an Election Certificate cannot be signed until all appeals filed in MN state courts, including the State Supreme Court, have run their course. Also, the Election Certificate must be jointly signed by both (Democrat) Secretary of State Mark Ritchie and (Republican) Governor Tim Pawlenty. Do you really think that Pawlenty, who has his aspirations for higher office in 2012, is going to sign until he absolutely has to and risk angering the RNC?
Could it be too many lawyers wanting a piece of the pie or too few ethical judges that can make a simple ruling.
This should be an embarrassment to the American electoral system. Even countries like Iraq or Afghanistan are able to determine a winner in an election in that time period.
Jack, the problem is not with Minnesota but our failed political system. The Republicans want to keep the Minnesota senate seat from being filled by a democrat, while all the major votes are being passed. The votes were counted, re-counted, and Franken was declared the winner. Coleman is just deferring defeat for as long as legally possible, which can apparently be a very long time. Maybe after this is over, Coleman and his people should do a circus act, because all I see is a bunch of clowns.
Trenton, New Jersey
Coleman is like the little kids who gets mad when he lose and takes all of his toys to keep you from playing and winning again, so he keeps doubling down knowing full well that he can't win in a recount! That is why he wants the State Supreme Court and then the U.S. Supreme Court to promote him into office just like they did Bush, we as a people never want to see that again, our country has suffered enough!!!
There are many issues associated with this election. What about the Minneapolis election official that had ballots in their trunk for several days after the election? Why was the electronic transmission of the polls disabled? Why were the results in some precincts in Minneapolis double counted? What happened to the photocopied ballots (made because the originials didn't scan)? Were these the only ballots that were double counted? There were numerous precincts where there were more voted counted than registered voters.
This Minnesota voter will always doubt the validity of this election - no matter if it is Franken or Coleman who finally is sworn into office for that Senate seat.
Jack, you should actually review the entire mess here - not just the headlines or the current "count" which will always be doubtful.
I am a lifetime Minnesotan and Senator Norm Coleman has become an embarassment. Last November on the day after the election he called on Al Franken, then trailing by 400 or more votes, to concede the election so that "The healing process could begin" and Minnesota could be spared the high cost of a recount. Now Norm doesn't kno w when to quit, even though a very thorough recount process has named Franken the winner. Obviously national Republicans want to prolong this recount process to keep one more Democrat vote out of the Senate. It's past time to concede, Senator Coleman.
Besides the recount debacle, Senator Coleman is also an embarassment because he t has refinanced his home of fourteen years twelve times and he now owes on his latest mortgage much more than the current value of his St. Paul home. We don't need his economic judgement back in the Senate.
Is Coleman related to Blagoeyovich (sp): not knowing when to quit?
Coleman, it's OVER. Gees! You lost. The results need to be sanctioned by the state. Ta-da.
Jack, there is nothing wrong with MN. We held an election, people voted and the tally was extremely close. The fact is that neither of these men managed to sway enough voters to declare a clear cut victory. I voted for Franken because I believe is the candidate that will serve the citizens of MN the best, after all Coleman has been nothing more than a chameleon that has served himself in the Senate. Coleman continues to serve himself and the Republican party by holding up the certification of Mr. Franken, which in turn is holding up the votes in the Senate and denying MN full U.S. Senate representation.
Sauk Rapids, MN
They know who the winner is, but their Governor won't certify the will of the people. For me, the biggest surprise of 2009 has been to see that Republicans really are sore losers.
Jack, it just goes to show how Norm Coleman would rather pursue his own self interest at the expense of the people of Minnesota. Even his own lawyer said it was a lost cause. It just goes to show how disgusting politics in this country has become.
Jack, We here in Minnesota do not need your insults. We are doing just fine. What we need is for a competent reporter to finally reveal how the national republican party is fueling these never ending ridiculous court challenges in order to keep a democrat out of the senate as long as possible. I voted for Coleman even though I tend to be liberal. If the election were today, I would vote for neither candidate. Coleman should take his toys and go home and sulk. There is always another day.
What'swrong in Minnesota mirrors what is wrong in the rest of our country, people want to win at any cost. We tell our kids to be good sports, that what counts is that you do your best, but what we teach them is to lie, cheat, bully your way to the top. Unfortunately in Minnesota, just like Washington , democracy only matters when you are on the winning side.
Read the entire ruling this was a slam dunk for Franken. They ruled that Coleman has to pay Franken's attorney fees and the court costs.
If the GOP machine had not been backing this farce it would have been over long ago. But they see this as another opportunity to block the democrats and Obama from an even larger majority and that much closer to being filibuster proof. Speaking of filibusters, the GOP has broken the record be a large margin, using this tactic to block and obstruct. They seem to be nothing more than the party of NO, and old ideas of trickle down economics. The country has voted and they voted for change.
obviously those of us that reside in minnesota do not need either one of these clowns. They (Coleman) did nothing spectacular and Franken is a trouble maker. Let's save their salaries and rebate it back to the public.
Minnesota has one of the best election policys in the country, like with everything else people can work it, just like Coleman an the republican party are doing right now. We all know Coleman won't win , no matter how long it takes BUT right now feel he's doing the bidding of the repubican party in not seating Frakken. If he keeps going with this [Coleman] his political life is over in Minnesota. There were thoughts of him possibly running for Governor----don't think so. Speaking of governor, unless Pawlenty signs the papers putting Frakken in the elected position he won fair an square, shows we have another republican doing what he's told to by the higher ups in the party.
Question is, what would Coleman say an do if the tables were reveresed. We know , he made a statement election nite, telling Frankken the Minnesota people didn't deserve to have to go thru a re=count etc etc ----now what is he saying and which side of his mouth is he talking out of.
What? There's nothing wrong with Minnesota that isn't wrong with the rest of the country. Every state makes it easy for non-citizens to vote. Pandering for the illegal alien swing vote isn't just a figure of speech. Noone can prove who legally won any U.S. election in recent history. And if we bothered to solve that problem, the fact remains that no election official can prove that any of the electronic voting machines weren't tampered with and otherwise work properly. Coleman deserves a medal for shining a spotlight on our electoral circus. I wonder if Franken will make any effort to fix these problems.
Virginia Beach, VA
I think this is standard republican resistance tactics which it laymen terms is look for any kind of legal loopholes to hold up democratic nominations. I'm tired of hearing politicans say they are there for the people when they are really there for the power and the paycheck and this is a prime example of it.
Jack the problem is obvious: Electronic voting machines will replace paper ballots in no time! Wait, that's about as funny as an Al Franken joke.
I'm shocked that the Reps are so stubborn that they can't see the forest for the trees. MN is basically a Dem state and if any Rep thinks that this stall will endear voters to Reps, they are whistling Dixey! Obviously the Reps know they lost, but want to delay the seating as much as possible so the Dems don't have another vote in the Senate. It is so short sighted of the Reps......they're setting themselves up for future loses and had they been proud and fair, others would have respected and looked to them for a lead. Not now!!!
I grew-up in MN, was edu. including grad school and we raised our four kids until age 10 yrs. old when we moved west.
I am embarrassed that MN is doing this – shame on them!!
The problem is not Minnasota, but the republican party. It does not matter to them that they lost, or that their economic policies are failures, they won't give up no matter what. This ex-senator will file appeal after appeal, just because he can. What poeple have to underrstand is that Obama got only 53% of the vote, and that was when the economy was crashing. I am afraid we will see these guys in power again. What we really need to do is split the country up. I really don't want to go through another eight years like we went through with Bush. Why anybody would vote for lower job growth(or non at all), stagnet wages and war is beyond me.
Jack......is it no wonder why the republican approval rating is so low. i think that people were generally willing to let the court play this out to this stage, but now it just looks like sour grapes and peoples' sense of fairness will force Coleman to step aside. Here's hoping anyway.
Colman if he truly cared about the people of Minnesota, would say, I lost, congrats to Franken...and move on.
But then again, Colman is a Republican, and Republicans only care about the Republican Party, No Gay Marraige and No abortions...NOT PEOPLE!
I have a question. Is there a pattern or is it just coincidence that states with Republican governors are having election problems? We had presidential election issues in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004. In 2008, we had senate election issues in Minnesota, Alabama, and Alaska. It's probably just coincidence but it sure seems odd.
I think having a runoff election was the smart thing to do
Whoa, Jack. Now you've gone too far. Minnesotans and a classy lot, with self-restraint, a strong work ethic and high standards in education. The weather keeps the riff-raff out. Except for Norm Coleman, of course and he be sent packing before much longer. There is such a thing as too much "Minnesota nice"!
As usual the Republican Party leads by trying to divide. How long can this state be without two senators. Shame on you Mr. Coleman.
When did the minorty party get to decide everything in the U.S. They lsot the election now they are doing everything that they can even lie to trick the people into allowing them to rape the people again! The Republican paryt needs to stop the madness!
They both display arrogance and complete disregard for the election process like two spoiled children who have always had things go their way. I don't think either one is too anxious about going to Washington while there is still work to be done.
Minnesota isn't the problem, its the Republican party. They have clearly demonstrated that they will stop at little to retain a seat in the House. Minnesota needs to end this circus take a stand and declare the winner so that the citizens of the state can be properly represented.
This is the "land of 10,000 polluted lakes" and Norms been swimming in 'em and doesnt know which way is up and thinks losing means winning. Or maybe he's taking a play from Bush and Roves playbook hoping that'll fly-this isnt Florida, Norm.
There is nothing wrong with Minnesota – the problem lies with Norm Coleman and his inability to accept defeat, regardless of the harm it causes the citizens of Minnesota. By refusing to concede, Coleman is the one acting immature and unsophisticated, denying the citizens of Minnesota full representation in the Senate. The justices did their job and did it well, reaching a decision after reviewing all of the evidence and arguments from both sides – in contrast to Florida's hasty review that is still criticized to this day. So please Jack, save your comparisons to a third world country for a place that actually deserves it.
Well if at first you don't succeed, sue sue sue.
This was a 3-way Senatorial election and the "winner" will have less than a 50% vote margin. While there is a growing call in MN for IRV, the Republicans steadfastly oppose the idea, probably because the 2 times Pawlenty ran for governor, it was a 3-way race and he "won" with less than 50% of the votes cast.
What else do you expect the Republicans to do, they can't afford to lose any ground in the senate or house. This win will give the democrates the fillbuster prove status that they need.
This sounds a bit familiar: hanging chads, pregnant chads and a whole lot of lawyers in the deep south. These are the stuff dreams are made of!
Coleman belongs to the party of NO. No new ideas, no cooperation and no sense. He is the biggest sore loser I have ever seen. I'm glad
the people of Minnesota saw fit to elect a grown up instead of a whining crybaby.
Nothing is wrong with Minnesota, Jack, what’s wrong is the GOP trying to hold up a state from seating it’s second senator.
The GOP, the true party of no.
As a Minnesotan, I think I can answer your question pretty succinctly Jack. The answer is there is nothing wrong with Minnesotans other than the fact that they gave Norm a chance in the first place. This election only continues to affirm a fact that every Minnesotan democrat knew in the first place ever since he was mayor of St. Paul: Norm Coleman is a slime ball. He clearly doesn't have Minnesota's best interests at heart and is just following the course that will benefit him; to the detriment of his state, his reputation, and his party.
Norm kicked the Democrats to the curb so he could run for governor – and he lost to Jesse Ventura. He slipped into the Senate because of Wellstone's death and the backlash against his hyper-partisan memorial service. Now he's lost the Senate race to a neophyte comedian. So why not kick Minnesota to the curb and see what the national Republicans can do to give him a job?
The election was run cleanly, and the results on election night have not changed – Al Franken is still the winner. But for Norm to win, he has to keep fighting to deny the Dems that vote in the Senate. If he also denies Minnesota a vote? No sweat off his sleazy shoulders.
It's a conservative ploy to omit/delay Frankin's seating in the US congress. Evidence is republican Sen. Cornyn's threat of "WW3" if they "try to seat Frankin." Simply, its another unjust injustice that some consider more important that our liberties themselves. Frankin has won, and the vote has been counted too many times already. Let's see some just, fair, realistic justice from the republicans for a change.
SImon New York
Jack this is deplorable behavior by Coleman. I'm a Republican so you know its genuine when I say that Coleman needs to accept defeat and bow out. I beleive in the government and patriotism over partisanship and the fact is that the people of Minnesota deserve two Senators. Its as simple as that.
Jack, there is a clear winner in the race however, his opponent just can't accept it. Yet again, the Republicans are trying to steal elections like they did in 2000 and 2004 but this time around the American people will not let that happen. I can't wait to have Al in the senate so that the Republican party, whose only purpose in life right now is to criticizie the President without offering any viable solutions, will continue to be in the minority. 2010 can't come soon enough so we can vote out the rest of the Republicans. Hurry up Mr. Franken, the American people need you.
Coleman, it is time to call it a day. Why are you doing this to the people of Minnesota? Move on! It only took Al Gore 30 days to concede and he was running for president. Is this just a Republican ploy? Stop being a sore loser. No one likes that.
Colaeman wanted the election recount and got it and Franken got more votes–this is stupid stupid 3 judges says Franken won and he did got more votes and done and recounted –it is over–I do not care if it was a 100 votes Franken won period...only trying to stop the seat in the house–obstruction not about the people again-this is crazy and foolish period...laws are laws it is over.
Can you please let Mr.Coleman know how stupid he is making MN look?
Now he is planning an appeal, who is paying for all this? Mr Coleman...I think not!
Obviously Norm Coleman doesn't care anything about the people of minnesota because he's keeping them from getting full representation, he only cares about the republicans agenda. Franken has clearly won.
Franken's "theft" of the election will be a Republican rallying point in 2012, which means that Coleman *must* be seen to go through the motions and exhaust his legal options and must concede only that the Democratic machine will have denied him his rightful seat. As far as Coleman is concerned, it's all a Mummery Show at this point. I'm not sure he even cares any more.
(Popular Minnesota joke: Coleman lost to a wrestler, won against a dead guy, and lost to a comedian.)
The real villain here is Governor Pawlenty, who *could*, tomorrow, issue Franken the certification and allow Minnesota its second sitting senator.
If it were the other way around, the lunatic liberals would be begging Franken to carry the fight to the bitter end.
Coleman has a right to have every vote counted. And if the courts don't allow it, how far have we come as a country?
Didn't the libs scream for every vote to be counted in 2000?
Typical repug win at all cost philosophy. If they hope and pray that the country fails so that they can regain power; what is one obscure senate race more or less.
The right wing and their followers are losers, period.
There is nothing wrong with Minnesota's electoral system. When the difference between two candidates is 300 votes out of nearly 3 million cast, it is impossible to know which of the candidates actually received more votes. Nevertheless, at some point, a decision must be made, and the State of Minnesota has laid out a clear, impartial, and unambiguous process for making that decision. Sure, the process could be speeded up some (for example, why is it necessary to wait 10 days for the inevitable appeal?), but the legislation passed by the current Congress would be no different if either of these candidates had been seated.
What’s wrong with Minnesota if 5 1/2 months after the election they still don’t know who the winner is?
There is method behind the madness, Norm Coleman is holding out for a USSC decision, a carbon copy of the infamous Bush v Gore...actually the Court's conservative majority is waiting for the chance; not to worry though, just like in Dec 2000 they intend to invent a federal issue in order to grant Certiorari which Minnesota voters will have to live with...on the other hand when is the news media going to ask Scalia, Thomas, and Kennedy if they would have ruled in Al Gore's favour if, 9 years ago he (Gore) had been the petitioner rather than Bush and ahead in the count by a 534 vote margin...i think we all know the answer to that...
Norm just doesn't know when to quit....but I do have a question in regard to all of the "uncounted" votes....I thought that everyone's vote counted.
Let the federal courts get into it like they did in the Bush/Gore race.
Coleman actually won the election in November! Since, State recount law and Al Frankin have tried to overturn the initial result!!!!!!
Jeff in New Britain, CT
Does anybody really believe if the outcome were reversed that Frankin wouldn't be appealing the decision?
This is going to backfire on the GOP in Minnesota – the good Governor could wind up wearing this if he decides to monkey around with certifying Franken – and I believe the Gov has presidential aspirations. Minnesota needs their 2nd senator now – not six months from now after Coleman has worked the appeal courts to no avail.
Its sad, that Coleman's ego is holding the election of a senator for Minnesota hostage. Can you imagine IF Al Gore would have done this in the 2000 elections?? The GOP would have been "out in the streets"!
Please explain in just few words why this election takes so long, I can not understand how American election works.
Can't American people count sheets of paper in boxes?
This is a Shame
Coleman and whomever is advising him that this is what's best for him and the people of MN. He clearly doesn't care about what's best for his constituents even in this time of economical crisis. He needs to move on and allow MN to do so as well. Maybe he needs to find himself a good hobby... he could always go volunteer at a soup kitchen. After all, politics isn't the only way to serve the people of MN.
Norm should do the honorable thing and drop it!!!
It's been a galant effort, but it is time for Minnesota to admit that it just can't be done with thumbs. People, if you take off your mittens you may be able count right.
Jack- I think it is obvious that the GOP is doing everything it can to obstruct and undermine the Democratic leadership in our country. Americans have lost a great deal of respect for the Republicans throughout these post election and post innagural antics. They care more about their positions in our government then they do the people they were elected to represent. Sitting on the sidelines just saying NO to every issue and putting a negative spin on everything President Obama does will guarantee a filibuster proof Senate in the next round of elections. Coleman is just following the GOP line and since he cannot win, he'll obstruct.
There is nothing wrong with Minnesota...It's the beauty of our electoral process that allows the lawyers to get rich while taxpayers/voters endup paying the tab.
This is a no lose situation for Coleman. He cannot poison his chances for a Gubernatorial run more than he already has. So he might as well serve his party and hold the Democrats down one seat. But Coleman will need Governor Pawlenty's assistance to not issue a election certificate. This means Coleman may take Pawlenty and his Presidential aspirations, down with him.
Very simple. A Republican state government is delaying the seating of a Democratic senator as long as possible. Mr. Coleman is giving them the necessary excuse by stretching legal actions as far as he can.
In my opinion, Mr. Cafferty, Coleman had his time in the spotlight. After all, he was incumbent. But, that doesn't mean we are out of the woods yet. Just because Franken won so far, well, didn't the same thing happen to Coleman? We should just wait and see. I don't, however, think Coleman should go to the federal courts.
It is my personal mission to make sure Norm never holds public office in MN again – including Dog Catcher. He is a total embarrasment to MN. He told Al to "not put MN through this" when Norm thought he won and look what he's doing.
Margo in Lindstrom
Coleman won on election day, but the Liberal state wants nut case Franken to win, so let the recounting and counting of mysterious ballots in the back seat of cars and double counting continue. They won't rest until Franken is declared the winner. Franken is a disaster to this country.
There wouldn't be a vice-versa because Franken would have conceded like a gentleman long ago. The GOP is pulling Coleman's strings and "loyalty" was not invented by GW Bush. Democrats don't have it and never will because they are too stubborn and mule-ish.
I Find it rather interesting that its was the democrates back in 2000 that were outraged that not all the Florida votes were counted and now in Minnesota the rolls are reversed. Perhaps we should count all the votes and them elect the next senator. Seems pretty simple but thats why it wont work!
Coleman is just an example of the disgraces we have in government. He lost,pick up your bootstraps and go home. The people of Minnesota have spoken. Get lost. Enough is enough of your BS.
Jack, why ask this question, i live in MN and love my state, but this guy /coleman need to concede defeat and let the other guy go to the senate. It is that mentality of the GOP, which they cling on. They are not happy with the Dems in both the senate and the house. His GOP advisors are telling to keep on dealing the confirmation, they think the longer they delay the better for them but they are wrong because most American are sick and tired of the old worn out mentality of the GOP who are not coming up with new/great ideas to help this great /nation. Always critizing the president for every thing he is trying to do for the country not even supporting his bills,. They should be ashamed of themselves, they have no respect for the majority of Americans who elected the president. As earlier said by the party clowns "we want him to fail". This statement is well registered in the Americans' Minds.
This is just another example of a poor election system in the USA. Maybe we should copy the way Canada does it. They use paper ballots & pencils, yet can have all ballots counted with 2-3 hrs of the polles closing in western provinces. The peoples will is followed.....
Meanwhile, even though GWB actually lost the disputed Florida election in 2000, as a bi-partison panel later decided, he got the Supreme Court to crown him. In 2004, the dispute was in Ohio, yet he did it again..... I was sure glad that the 2008 election wasn't that close, as any LEGITIMATE President deserves to know they have a majority of support. Just in case you think I'm dumping on Republicans, remember 1960? In actuality, most historians now concur that the election was actually won by Nixon, but Kennedy & Mayor Daley pulled a fast one.....
Norm Coleman.... You lost! Why don't you exit with some dignity
Robert Young has it right. It so infrequent that the Republican doesn't take the high road, that when they don't it really stinks! Give Minnesota what they deserve...Al Franken! The Moron's elected the Liberarian Wrestler and now the liberal "blowhard". In this case, who would want to be proven right?
We here in Minnesota don't want either of them. One is a crook and one is a sleezeball. I am embarassed. Suzanna
I was on the Al Gore side of the 2000 election, so I can certainly imagine where Coleman is coming from. On the other hand, the Republican party is desperately seeking to minimalize their loses in the Senate.
It behooves the Republican party to drag this out as long as possible. If nothing else, it's one less Democrat in power while they wait for the next Congressional elections. I don't see the Republicans not losing face in this struggle, however, and in the case that the longshot happens and Coleman is certified, he too will have been subject to that long wait.
The problem is not MN it is the GOP continuing to support an unelectable candidate, they did not learn after Norm lost to a wrestler, and than almost loses to dead guy and now he loses to a comedian. Republicans need to learn how to take a not so subtle hint, instead of blaming the voters of Minnesota.
I think the more apt question is what's wrong with the republican party? "Graceful" is like kryptonite to them.
We here in Minnesota are not excited about either of them. One seems oportunistic and the other not of a high moral tone. I am embarassed. Suzanna
Have you ever been to Minnesota Jack? We are not Florida, in our state the ethic is live and let live.
Coleman can try to run again if he wants and we can boot Franken out of office if we want.
I just have give props to our lone senator Amy Klobuchar who's been doing a yeoman's job. I speak not only as a Minnesotan but as an indpendent.
Under our state laws, the governor (Republican) and secretary of state (DFLer) cannot certify the election until after all of the contest period has ended. Mr. Gore was allowed this process in Florida. I suggest we allow the full process to continue in Minnesota. And if you're bored with that Jack, that's just too bad.
I see many of those who do not live in Minnesota do not understand how this election was so close. It was not a contest between Al Franke and Norm Coleman. There was a third party candidate (Dean Barkley) who pulled enough votes from Coleman (many conservatives were angry with Coleman and were sending him a message. The joke ended up being that they tipped the election to one of the most liberal candidates in Minnesota's history.) If this had been a two-person race, I doubt that Franken would have been close enough to have double-counts give him the senate seat. Al Franken is no Hubert Humphrey.
3rd world country, Jack, really?
There is nothing wrong with Minnesota. The loser won't drop out. You should visit us here and realize why we are at the top of the food chain.
Why would you think that the state that consistently has the highest voter turnout has something wrong with it? This is the closest senatorial election in history, and the MN secretary of state and the judges followed Minnesota law to the fullest extent. The recount was legally required, not the choice of either candidate. And neither candidate chose to concede. But it should end now. Maybe in the future there will be limitations to the extent of legal challenges for elections. But Minnesota is following it's legally mandated process. And I think it should be respected for obeying the law.
This election looks like a circus. Coleman is embarrassing himself and the GOP by continuing to fight. While I didn't vote for either candidate, Franken is the clear winner. Coleman has had 5 and a half months to prove otherwise, and he has failed to do so. It's time to move on. If Coleman really wants that seat back, he can fight for it in 2012. Minnesota deserves to have representation in Congress, especially with a new administration. For now, he should just find a real job like the rest of us, and stop wasting the valuable time that our representative needs in Washington to make Minnesota's voices heard.
There is a gentleman's way to settle this. Let Franken and Coleman get into the ring and have Jesse Ventura ref. the match.
My money is on Franken.
Hey, if ACORN was involved, Franken would have won by a couple of thousand votes!!!
The Norm Coleman campaign is brain-dead and on life support, but as in the Terry Schiavo case, Rush Limbaugh and those now in charge of the Republican Party will not allow the plug to be pulled so Coleman can be taken off life support. The party of "NO," indeed.
Coleman is a pawn; he is only being kept alive to artificially reduce the Democratic Party's majority in the Senate as long as possible. What a disgrace for a once-proud Republican Party.
dave g, minneapolis April 14th, 2009 4:05 pm ET
“10 paces for tied races!!”
Sounds like the ticket, Dave. This would separate the men from the parasites.
It is rediculose that any election taks this long if there is a claer winner the other polotishion should be told to grow up and face facts its over!! at this point its childish and expencive and in this economy that is Criminal!!
Now after the Coleman-demanded re-count gave Franken ANOTHER win, Coleman wants to find a JUDGE to change the people's vote counts. What a shock, a republican wanting Judges to thwart the will of the people! Sound familiar? 2000?
His lawyer just said he doesn't think "the judges really know what's at stake here." Like the Constitution of the US and Minnesota's rights. No. He is being funded to help stop the rights of workers to unionize!
This thing will go on and on until all the votes are counted. Let's do it and end this circus.
Maybe they're most affraid that Franken sees nothing wrong in investigating EVERYTHING Bush/Cheney did..... I know the Dems have been scared to death for so long...but then I didn't know Cheney had his own assassination teams! Maybe they did!
Do I believe he'd do something like that? Please- He LIED us into Iraq! Now we find out from Bush and the FBI wanted poster that Bin Laden had NOTHING to do with 9-11?
It wasn't Franken who started the recount. It is an election law in Minnesota that states if the election is close (within a certain percentage), there is a automatic recount.
Mike: All those votes that were not counted were not valid ballots. And if they were counted and Franken still won, you'd be saying that they were illegal and shouldn't be. Both campaigns agreed on the ballots to disqualify, which had various illegalities such as were unsigned, received late, etc. Changing your mind after the recount and saying that illegal ballots should be counted is just what the GOP has been saying about ACORN, isn't it?
Guys, the laws state that every LEGAL ballot has to be counted. The ballots not counted (as agreed upon by both the Coleman AND Franken teams) were ones that were defaced, not signed, came in late, or had other disqualifying aspects. Those are not LEGAL ballots.
What is wrong with Minnesota is that Norm Coleman won't give up already. Disenfranchised voters who can't make one clear mark on a ballot aren't who Norm is fighting for – he's seen the job market and needs his paycheck.
When the first counts came in, Coleman was the winner. Did Franken bow out? No, he filed law suits and worked hard to have some counties recounted and others not.
What ever happened to 'count every vote?' I suppose that stopped the moment Franken's total was higher?
We need to move to run-offs. That would probably cost less money in the long-run, and be better for democracy.
Writing from what may be one of the more non-functional states in the country-California-the people of Minnesota have nobody to blame but themselves, although it's hard to say whether or not any other state would do any better. We have got to get uniform national standards for absentee ballots, voting machines and counting of ballots, and residency requirements. There have been close elections in the past in this country, and we will have close elections in the future. This really shouldn't be in the hands of lawyers and judges. Maybe a run-off system might be the best idea. The top two vote-getters have to compete in a second ballot a few weeks later.
p lien April 14th, 2009 4:11 pm ET
Coleman won the election on election day. Its Frankin that started the recount.
I believe the recount was initiated by the voting law in Minnesota because of the very close race. The first recount gave Franken the lead and the court decisions brought about by the Republican Party have only increased Franken's advantage.
One thing is for sure.... It takes a women to kept things in order.
Thank you, Senator Amy Klobuchar
There is nothing wrong with Minnesota or our election rules when an election is less then a certain percent favoring one winner it goes to an automatic recount, the recount came out in Frankens favor Coleman chellenged some rejected absentee ballots the both of them agreed on certain ballots once they were counted it favored Franken again! what Coleman is looking for is to change the rules on what ballots can or can,t be counted and why, you can not change the rules in the middle of the game I am sure if it gets to the Supreme court it will go the way of Bush
Sonny from Minnesota
MN's a great place Jack! The problem isn't the state. The problem lies with the GOP, Norm Coleman, and his lawyer, Ben Ginsberg. Ginsberg helped Bush "win" the 2000 election and acted as counsel for the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. That's all you need to know.
I echo many on this comment board when I say this has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with keeping the Democratic majority in the Senate one seat smaller.
As a has-been Minnesotan Resident (I moved to Alaska). Believe me, it could be worse. (I live in Alaska now, wish Mr. Palin would take over instead of that woman in office here now at least he can keep his mouth shut!)
As for Coleman what bothers me most about him he is about as transplanted as they come. He only came to Minnesota cus nobody would hire him in New York. He's always been a big baby. Nothing new about this that most Minnesotans didn't expect from him I don't think.
if a senate term is for 6 years will this mean the 6 years will start whenever this is settled.
There's a winner. It's Al Franken.
How much longer will Military Personnel be disenfranchised from the political process? If any people should get first priority on elections, it should be - it must be - the military. Yet, just as Clinton tried to do for Gore in 2000, Minnesota with its lean far left court, is attempting to steal yet another election by denying the military vote.
And these politicians aren't 'unpatriotic?' Like hell they're not.
There's nothing wrong with Minnesota, it's the legal process. If the courts can not determine a winner before 15 April (Tax Day, how appropriate). Then we line uo the two candidates, back to back, in front of the capital, issue them hand guns, have them walk ten paces, turn, and fire. Last man standing wins. (We could have Nancy Pelosi on the sidelines. Maybe a stray round would force an election for a new Speaker!)
Well for one, their NFL team chokes in the playoffs.
MN is just the poster child for elections in America. Had the divide been 3% or more, you would have nothing to joke about. I challenge any state to undergo the same scrutiny and walk away looking like a star pupil. This isn't about running an election, nor is it about counting; it's about the court system and one man's apparent right to drag us all along to save his pride.
You're wrong, Jack. Don't you read the news? There was a winner months ago, when the recount was finished. However, the Republica-NOs have been contesting the victory for months. I've been following the contest closely, and it's clearly nothing more than stalling on the part of Coleman's handlers.
How much longer will Military Personnel be disenfranchised from the political process? If any people should get first priority on elections, it should be — it must be — the military. Yet, just as Clinton tried to do for Gore in 2000, Minnesota with its lean far left court, is attempting to steal yet another election by denying the military vote.
The Dems want power at any price, even if it kills democracy. They still won't accept that in the Miami Herald/PBS/USA Today recount of the contested votes in Florida 2000, the more they counted, the more votes Bush won. Meanwhile, how did Franken come up with all those votes in the trunk, with ALL of them, somehow, in favor of... Franken?
And these politicians aren’t ‘unpatriotic?
No surprise. The tactic was used successfully for the Washington governor's race several years ago. The Republican won, then the Dems kept 'counting' until they got the result they wanted. It apparently doesn't bother anyone here that in several (Dem) districts there were more votes cast than there were registered voters? Or that in one district the machine count was trusted over the hand recount (favored Franken) and in another district the hand recount was trusted over the machine count (favored Franken)? Hello? Consistent standards? Equal protection? Fair elections?
Mn has never been better represented in the senate over the last 5 1/2 months. Sad to see little to no facts in all these comments.
Washington state residents went through this 4 years ago... our Governor's race was even closer (and flipped between recounts as well). In our case however, our Secretary of State certified the election results (despite being from the opposing party of the victor) and the Governor took office while the court challenges went on (eventually upholding the results and even increasing the victory margin slightly).
I think the real problem here lies with the Minnesota Secretary of State. Citizens of Minnesota need to ask themselves why he is holding things up.
Good grief! If you want to know what's wrong with Minnesota, go back and look at those recount ballots that were ruled Franken "votes"(From the Minneapolis paper). No self-respecting adult could defend those. Of course few libs are "self-respecting adults".
Coleman should due to honorable act of conceding. He has failed at every scheme to overturn this election. He should concede and work on 2010. He is looking more like a weasely politician willing to do anything to win, like meeting an small town Alaska mayor as your vice presidential running mate.
I care more about keeping my dog yard clean.
I would be glad to see every state limited to one senator – that would result in 50 less politicians in D.C. Having two senators probably mattered more a couple of centuries ago due to transportation issues – not sure why we need two now.
Usually I like what you have to say, but I think you dropped the ball on this one–you could have given this more than a superficial glance.
The way that Minnesota has handled this extraordinarily well and should serve as a model for other states in this country. They are taking each step carefully and transparently while following state law. Coleman, in my opinion, is to blame for how long this has dragged on (he should have dropped out long ago and should certainly concede at this point), though he is very much in his legal right to contest the election results (you might do the same if you spent millions of dollars trying to get elected). The main issue at hand is that the RNC is seemingly behind the ploy to drag this thing out as long as possible.
In any case, if you look a little deeper at what has gone on so far, you more than likely would come to the conclusion that Minnesota's handling of this is actually a very good example of democracy working the way it should.
Why is it that when Al Gore challenged the results of an election he was called a "whiner," or a "sore loser?" When a Republican does it, he's a "fighter for democracy." Eight years ago, Republican pundits were more concerned about getting it over than to get it right. Where are they now? Nobody does hipocrisy better, or worse, than the GOP.
This is the GOP. They don't care about democracy, they don't care about the people of Minnesota, they don't care about the law: THEY JUST WANT THEIR WAY!!!!! No matter how many judges reject Norm Coleman's arguments, the Republican Party will continue to stretch this out to keep the Democrats from getting another vote in the Senate for as long as possible. The Republicans should replace the elephant as their symbol with a video clip of Ted Stevens screaming, "NO!!". cy gardner arlington, va
Coleman won on election day. He won the first few machine recounts. Franken kept appealing and going for more hand recounts until he got numbers and court decisions he liked. Why is that worse than what Coleman is doing?
I think Coleman should heed 3 little words spoken sooooo eloquently by a Justica Scalia during Bush v. Gore: GET OVER IT!
Coleman needs to know it's time to move on. Y'know, for a politician who supposedly cares so much for his state, he certainly doesn't seem to give a damn about making sure it has adequate representation in the congress.
More words of advice to Coleman and the republicans who insists on stringing this out: Aim high!
This has nothing to do with Minnesota per se, and everything to do with politicians. If Franken was behind by 300 votes he would be suing like crazy just as Coleman currently is. And if Coleman were ahead he and the Republicans would be saying the exact same things Franken and the Democrats are. The Republicans and Democrats put themselves first, their supporters (think money here) second, and the country a distant third (if it even makes the list). Don't fool yourself for a second and believe either party is better than the other one. They're both just in it for the power.
Jack, we have had a winner for the last 5 months, but the Republican baby is refusing to let go of the Bottle! What an example for our children and youth to follow, when we Adults tell them to play fair.
The fact of the matter is, Mr. Cafferty, that Minnesotans would like to have a fair and honest election where all of the properly cast votes are counted. Funny how Democrats, champions of the disenfranchised, can't find their tongues for the disenfranchised when their guy is ahead. By the way, Minnesota will still have only one senator even if Franken does eventually find his way to Washington.
What's wrong with Minnesota is that Coleman won on election night only to have the elections people, probably volunteers from everyone's favorite "non-partisan" watchdog group ACORN found some ballots (all for Franken) here, there, and everywhere.
I say Hooray for Norm Coleman! He is guaranteeing that Republicans will not hold a majority in Washington for many years to come. As if the GOP needed any more nails in their coffin, this guy is making sure the wooden box is shut tight. I love him. If I weren't past my child-bearing years–and a guy–I'd have his baby.
Hopefully the small handful from the right that is still thinking with their heads rather than their butts will convince Norm to drop out and let Al Franken take his hard won position in the Senate.
Norm Coleman wins on election day. Al Franken choses the votes he wants recounted that would be in his favor and give him the lead, not to mention the ones that were counted twice. Now Franken is fighting against counting votes that have yet to be counted and would probably give Coleman the lead.
Every vote should be counted. Thats the way democracy is supposed to work, not just count enough to give Al the lead and then claim victory. What are you afraid of Al???
Whatever happened to every vote counts??? That of course is only true if you think the votes not counted will go to the Democrats. If you try to get votes counted and you are a Republican you are a sore loser, a whiner, an obstructionist. This is a very common tactic from the left. When you can't stop the message, attack the messenger. I will be attacked for this message. Why, because it’s the truth.
Good grief people. Coleman won the official election. It's only because cry-baby Franken demanded the recount in the first place. More than 225 dead people voted. It's Coleman that deserves the certification and Franken that should get lost.
Both Al & Norm are losers Too bad Dean Barkley didnt win.
No matter who has the extra 100 or so votes. Coleman should be embarrassed that a first time candidate with almost NO experience has managed to even come this close in the election. He needs to put his ego aside and see that hes not the right choice.
There is nothing wrong with MN. What you are claiming as insanity is democracy in action. I'd rather have certainty than a quick decision. In an historically close race with the highest percentage voter turnout of any state in the union, it should take time to make sure the will of the people is determined. Norm should have given up after this most recent court decision, but if it takes a few more weeks for him and his GOP friends to get the hint, so be it.
yah hay dare,
As a former Minnesootan, this one really bodders me.
It could have been avoided if Franken had just conceded on election night. Now, Franken has manipulated the count in his favor.
The only fair way is to re-count all the votes in all the counties and re-certify them. There should be no picking and choosing which counties to recount based on which were slightly in favor of Franken.
What's Minnesota's problem you ask? Well, its simple, Norm Coleman is. Norm Coleman lost, and should drop out, just like he told Franken to do back in November. He's being a sore loser and milking as much time out of this as he can so the DFL has one less seat in the House. It's tarnishing Norm's reputation.
For all you nit wits out there who have said Franken started the recount. SHUT YOUR MOUTHS. Under MN law the recount was AUTOMATIC. PERIOD. END OF STORY. Coleman LOST a LEGAL and CERTIFIED VALID recount. PERIOD. END OF STORY. Bachman is next to get the boot. Period. End of Story.
The good news is that it doesn't matter who ultimately ends up winning this election.
The bad news, is that if it were not for the Republican in Georgia maintaining his seat in that runoff, it would matter because Franken would have given the Dems their filibuster-proof majority.
IMO we should have mandatory classes on how to fill in circles with number two pencils. If, barring some sort of disability, i.e. you are a normal healthy adult and still cannot fill in said circle, you should not get to vote.
Cole must really have been bad if 312 more people of Minnesota voted for the SNL clown.
I know Coleman feels bad like anybody should. What would he tell his grand children a few years from now.
" Once I lost my bid for governorship to a former wrestler named Jesse Ventura and by divine luck I won the senate seat when an intellectual incumbent senator died in a plane crash. But I lost that seat 6 years later to a former comedian."
The grand children would ask him why he always lost to 'former' people and he would say "because I was a former DFLer."
Jack, we have to sympathize with him but he has to do the right thing this time.
It is funny that years ago Republicans try to bury Democrats who support trial lawyers. Now it seems, that's the only way they can put themselves in office. A good job for the recession?
If the shoe were on the other foot, the Republicans would be screaming at the top of their lungs for Fraken to give up and let Coleman take his seat. But since it's Fraken who won, the Republicants will never concede and drag Minnesota thru the mud.
The only problem in MN is that the GOP is willing to pay ANYTHING to keep a lawfully elected senator from taking his seat.GOP: Party before Country
jack norm coleman was a default senator in the first place hes not from minnesota hes from new york and he should go back there
It's funny, when Coleman was winning the initial count he said Franken should not contest the count because it would cost the citizens too much money and time to recount. When the final count was tallied, the result REQUIRED the state to do a recount.
Now that the recount has been done, it's Coleman who is wasting the citizens time & money. Typical sore loser.
Will we ever get to the point were the courts are NOT involved.
My son is in the military and there is nobody talking about all the disenfranchised military that were not allowed for their absentee ballots to be counted because of "technicalities".
"I wonder if they’d be appealing if Coleman had 312 more votes."
Come on Jack, you know the answer...
And you might pose the question, "what would Frranken do if Coleman had 312 more votes."
You know the answer to that to. Don't you Jack?
For all of you from outside this state that think that this cut and dry. You are wrong. Our bleeding heart liberal state has done nothing to secure a legit election this time around. We have biased people making decisions regarding which votes count and which ones don't. They know that a revote would not go there way.
one other thing jack coleman ran for mayor of st paul as a democrat and half way thru his term he changed parties he didnt have the class to step aside then he wont do it now
Gimmie a break...
MN is doing just fine, better than average per capita income (#11), number of residents with college degrees (#11), low rate of violent crime (#16) and meanwhile we subsidize many of our fellow states with better than average per capita federal aid dollars (#31).
So for all of you who dont like our politics, can we send you another $20 to waste on your broken state of pride?
Another example of Republicans not listening to the American people, in this case to Minnesotans on their choice of one of its senators. It was a good, long hard fought election, with Al Franken coming out on top with 312 votes after numerous counts.
Norm Coleman should do the right thing and concede the race as another appeal will only hurt his chances for future elections and hurt Republicans in 2010, just around the corner.
This whole thing wouldn't be an issue and thousands of uncounted ballots wouldn't have to be set aside and challenged in court if people could follow simple directions on absentee ballots and cast their vote correctly. But it is what it is...Coleman should concede and then we get Al....O joy.
Its funny to me that at least half of the state voted for the politician who wasnt a comedic failure on TV and radio yet 99% of the comments on here are for him..Bias?
Jackie in Dallas: It's fine to leave out ballots that are not legal. The problem is that this standard was not employed equally for the whole state. In some counties, ballots were counted despite not being legal, and then in other counties ballots were NOT counted because they were not legal. It's not a reliable election if different standards are being used in different counties for a statewide election.
I see two men in Minnesota, each putting his party first. One of whom is telling the other to step down, but isn't taking his own advice.
Coleman suggested Franken concede but when it turned out that he/Coleman lost he is a whiner. The money behind his loser problem is the GOP. Coleman and the GOP need to show some dignity and concede. The bigger problem here is not only Minnesota doesn't have representation in the Senate. It is evidence that the GOP is behind a one party system... reminds me of Germany in the 1930's.
Nothing. Coleman had a lead until Franken challenged it and a few big Democrat-leaning counties helped him out. Didn't hear all the liberals saying Franken should pack it in and give up then. Coleman has a legitimate legal issue: rules should be uniform from county to county. What the Minnesota Supreme Court, and potentially the U.S. Supreme Court has to say on this apparently unique and illigetimate (according to liberals) concept will be interesting. Maybe we can just let the process play itself out? I doubt Minnesota will suffer any irreparable harm from having one U.S. Senator for a few months.
I don't even care anymore. These things always happen and instead of worrying I just lay back and laugh at how stupid this is.
Al Fracken was just sarcastic as a comic and he won't be able to keep this job either although all the liberals in the twin cities want to keep a democrat DC
Get real. 312 votes might as well be a tie. Besides does that state really want Al Frankin in the Senate? And Democrats, get off your high horse. If it were the other way around you would be doing the same thing. It's call politics.
Time for a re-vote.
Dont worry this will all be over in six years when they both run for re-election.
I think Norm should keep up the fight.
That's been the Republican strategy since Newt Gingrich and his folly "contract with America". His answer when the GOP failed to get what it wanted (P O W E R) was to simply shut down the government.
So, you see, Norm and Newt (and the rest of the gang that can't think straight) are counting on our short collective memories. They've even tried to exhume Newt as a talking head (you'll see him more closer and closer to candidacy). They've uniformly failed to back our president in the most urgent of times simply to make their point. They've swift-boated. They've lied. And now they would even have us forget that W is a Republican creation.
As they keep of this facade, it wears thin–and we see through it. As Norm keeps up his fight, their point –keep power and ANY cost - becomes more apparent. So Norm, keep it up. Show us the (would be) emporer's new clothes.
A month ago, Coleman said "how exciting this all is." He thinks this is one big joke!
Why aren't they filing immediately for an appeal until the very last minute? One reason: ten more days they can keep Al Franken out of the senate seat. It's spite, pure and simple; he wants to "Keep the fun and excitement going."
I bet this is pretty exciting for the people of Minnesota. Let them drag this on a little bit more. I mean nothing really ever happens there. Let them have a little fun!!
Greetings from Texas!!
It's not Minnesota, it is the republicans. Coleman lost to a pro wrestler and has now lost to a comedian. What does that say about New Yorkers?
The problem is as others have voiced in these comments, Norm is a sore loser of a republican, and enjoys taking the party of Lincoln another notch lower, he should just get a job, oh wait, he voted with Bush on bringing down our economy, so then he should just be unemployed as well.
Nothing is wrong with Minnesota except the dirty-politicing Republican party. The Democrats should change Senate rules to stop filibusters until the GOP stops obstructing the election.
This is just one more reason the Repulican party drove me into the arms of the Democratic party......No compassion, ...No Integrity. ..No sense of right or wrong.. Their motives come down to one thing and their loss of it. Power. I'd love to put my foot up the collective asses of the Republicans., but I'll settle for the next best thing. I'll vote Democrat from now on.
It is time to realize that the Dems in Minn have finally learned from the Dems in Illinois how to rig an election. Come on, give it to them, they did it the old fashion Democratic Party way, they stole it.
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