In the Senate for the rest of her life?

They should either have a re-vote in Michigan and Florida or reduce the number of delegates needed to be declared the Democrat nominee by the total of the Michigan and Florida delegates.

It would leave Hillary Clinton high and dry, even if she does win Pennsylvania. If she has any respect for the democratic process and the will of the people, she will end her candidacy, throw her support behind Obama, unite the party, and work to defeat McCain. Of course, that’s like asking Don Quixote to stop tilting at windmills. Sadly, it isn’t going to happen.

in the dust…

Exactly where she is Jack, behind in pop vote, behind in delegates, behind in states. This thing was over some time ago perhaps it’s time the SD’s gave her a reality check (pink slip).

in a strong position to argue that Obama has divided the country by racial lines and can not win the General Election

He’s lost white support and independent voters by large numbers and is loosing his AA base as i type

If Michigan and Florida don’t vote it keeps Ms Clinton where she is at—Behind.

It will most likely add a nasty wrinkle to an unhappy face

Jack,

Stuck between the democrats and a hard place? I don’t really know, maybe she will continue to argue that she still deserves the nomination because she won all the “big states”. I think the race would still go to the convention because she is convinced this is her time and will somehow get the nomination. Is this race about whats good for American or what’s good for Hillary? I’m trying to remain unbias…

Hillary Clinton will be left in the boxing ring with bloodied boxing gloves. She’s far behind now and is out of breadth because she can’t catch up. The Clinton machine has suffered the biggest blow of the Century. Hip, hip hooray! The Democratic Party has spoken and I give them credit for sticking by their policies. Florida and Michigan knew what they were setting themselves up for and still decided to defy party rules. It’s too bad that millions’ of voters have been disenfranchised. When people go back to the polls, they should vote these irresponsible legislators out of office for the deliberate sabatoge to their States’ delegation vote.
Rosemarie
Vero Beach, FL

Hillary can’t win the delegate count regardless of what happens in Florida or Michigan. The revotes were supposed to make things a little easier for the general election.

She’s going to have to go back to her bag of dirty tricks to try to steal some superdelegates. The only problem is, Obama is successfully stealing superdelegates from her!

The only thing she has left to hope for is for him to make a fatal mistake. Oh, wait - he just did - with his pastor! But he seems to be recovering from that, so she’s screwed.

It will probably leave her where she deserves to be, voting for someone other than herself on election day.

I’m an Obama supporter, but please don’t let that happen Jack, because we all better duck and run for cover,…you included.
I can’t even concieve of what her next move will be, but trust me, it’s not going to be pretty

The same place she is left with the re-votes - a loser!

Jack she is left to go back to the Senate where she will enjoy her final two years there as a result of all the damage she is doing to the Democratic Party.

TAMPA, FL. I HEAR THAT THEY ARE TAKING APS FOR PARKING ATTENDANTS FOR THE CONVENTION PAYING $10/HR. SHE SHOULD LOOK INTO IT.

I hope that it would leave Senator Clinton in the toilet! She will say and do anything to win and then just see how quickly they go about the ‘Clintons Agenda’ and forget about all the promises they made to us dummies to get there.

That would leave BOTH Hillary Clinton AND Barak Obama right where they currently are… No further ahead or any further behind… Jeez, Jack !! I am wondering what kind of answers you are going to get from people on this….from Mary; the disenfranchized, pissed off voter from Sarasota, FL…Give Me A Break, already….

It leaves Senator Clinton with 2 options. She can nobly step aside with the realization her delegate count will never reach Obama’s, or she can do great damage to the party by attempting a year 2000 Supreme Court maneuver. The latter will not be a flattering addition to her 35 years of experience.

Dead in the water.

Jack, Hillary refuse to do the Math, it’s over for her, If Obama had loss 12 contest, he would have been gone. Hillary can’t except “NO”, she’ll drag this out in court (Steal the Election) Look BOTH States broke the Rules, including Hillary, so to bad, this contest is over, Senator Obama has won! Hillary should go back to the Senate & try to get some Laws passed after her trial is over. Remember Paul vs Clinton trial will be soon, then she can explain her campaign fraud case to us.

This is an explosion waiting to happen. Its nearly impossible for Hillary to win the nomination without Florida or Michigan. The remaining superdelegates would throw the party into chaos if they don’t vote for the candidate with the most pledged delegates. And if they do, then tell Howard Dean and the rest of the DNC thanks for alienating the voters and where do I sign up to be a Republican?

Hopefully, up a creek without a paddle?
Patricia
Palmdale, Ca.

HRC joined this race knowing the rules. If the rules are enforced it will leave her in a position of fairness. If they are changed fairly during the course of this campaign it will leave her in a position of fairness.

The people of Florida were done in by the republican controlled congress in that state, not by the DNC or the Democratic party there; nor by Gov. Dean. The people of Michigan are victims, if at all, of their own actions, not of the DNC or Howard Dean or Barack Obama or anyone else. It is shameful that these voters were perhaps disenfranchised and all that can be done about it should be done. But in the end a validation of a candidate by 48 of the 50 states plus the various other factions is adequate, and HRC can have no legitimate complaints.

Slightly off-topic, but if revotes are turned down based on money/time arguments, then could a less accurate but cheaper method work? How about splitting the Florida michigan democratic candidates based on the results of a (large and carefully thought out) telephone Poll?

Severely delegate deficient and stark raving mad!

It leaves Hillary in the same place she is now……..defeated; and all of America loves a good loser.

First, it leaves the Dem voters of FL and MI disfranchised through no fault of their own, and that is an outrage. Second, it probably helps us Dems get stuck with a nominee who is clearly unelectable, through both the fault of the media, and a huge number of gullible voters who apparently neither understand how republican attack politics works, nor remember the elections of 1988, 2000, and 2004.

And thirdly, it will force Mrs Clinton to appeal to the common sense of the super delegates to vote for an electable nominee, and not saddle us, once again, with a nominee who has no chance whatsoever in November.

Senator Clinton may lose the battle but the Democrats and Senator Obama will most definitely lose the war. Both Florida and Michigan will vote Republican if their Democrat votes are not wanted by the party.How can the next President get elected without carrying Florida and Michigan,plus all the states that Clinton won?Obama will not carry all the states that Clinton won and that guarantees a McCain victory.It seems its more important for the Democrat leadership to prevent a Clinton nomination than it is to prevent a Republican White House.The perpetual also-ran crowd is back in business in the Democratic Party.

Back in New York. Same place she will be if they are counted.

Let’s make it clear. Even if Florida and Michigan have a re-vote, Clinton will have a hard time overcoming Obama’s lead in elected delegates and maybe even popular vote. But her strategy is to prolong the fight and win some more states because it is ridiculous to go in front on superdelegates and explain why your opponent has won almost twice as many states. I believe she must step aside, but I recognize that it is her legal right to stay in the race, as much as it is her legal right to destroy the democrats real chance to have a president in the white house. Jack, in this Bill was right. You buy one Hillary and you get one free, but if she is not what you want, you are stuck with twice the tribulations.

I know for a fact that if there was a revote in Florida, Obama would do better than it did the first time due to many didnt vote because they knew it wasnt going to be counted.

I think no matter what a Presidential nominee will be selected. I dont place blame on either one of the Presidential nominees as it was the states that chose to break the rules. They were told it wouldnt count. I do blame Hillary for still putting her name on the ballots and campaigning there dispite the agreed pact they dems made to not campaign and not be on the ballot etc. Its like she set it up to fight back on it for her own benefit. Underhanded just like Hillary has always been.

By the way when will we be hearing Clinton questioned about her past and present (john paul) scandals? Obama always gets hit with his.. why not her? Is she immune or is the Media being paid to be hush hush on it? I am really shocked as many scandals as she has been involved in that its not out there in the light?

It would leave her where she should be left………. out of the race and back to the senate !! Enough already, Hill !!

It would leave the same as Obama…not 2024.
They should be counted…this is typical american dysfunction!

Exactly where she is now, in second place. If she loved this country more than she hated losing, she would stop risking another 4 years of Bush-lite and let Obama get on with winning the general election.

Rightfully in 2nd place. Ultimately, Clinton won Michigan because she was the only major candidate. She won Florida because we knew the Clinton name. As a Floridian- I feel confident that if Obama would have campaigned here he would have either won or it would have been nearly dead even and we would still have the same delegate issue- with Hillary being in 2nd. Why does she have to be so divisive?

I think it would leave her thrilled. She can continue positioning herself as being victimized, fluff the poll numbers, and pitch to the superdelegates that she is the real candidate. Whatever happens, her camp will redefine the situation until it is beneficial to her, regardless of the reality.

Hillary would be and should be in the same place she is in today. She did agree not to campaign in Florida and Michigan or did I miss something? Signed a document, am I the only one who got that part? Wonder if she were leading if she would be such a crusader for the disenfranchised? Voting in the primaries is not the same as the presidential election. This is a vote that the Democrats hold to elect a candidate for their party. If I read correctly somewhere the Democratic Party could go behind closed doors and select a candidate for us without our input. How does that sound to the people of Florida and Michigan. Maybe we could not play by the rules and have all states excluded because some just don’t get it.

Why is everyone assuming that Hillary would win in Florida and Michigan? She may win the Latino American vote, she hasn’t lost them yet. But remember there were some undecided voters and
people are switching as they get to know and here the candidates.
Where is Clinton left? She left with her same old undermining,
lying tactics that she’s used all along.

Running against Pres. McCain in 2012

We shouldn’t be asking where it would leave Hillary. Where would it leave the Democratic Party? Don’t expect either Michigan or Florida to swing to the Democrats in November if their votes aren’t counted, no matter who the nominee is.

It would leave Hillary Clinton exactly where she is today, Playing Politics, I dare you game with peoples vote, on the anniversary of the Iraq war that she played with her own vote and supported Bush!

She’s left stealing the election by greasing the pockets of the superdelegates. Win at all cost is her motto.

Obama should lose more than he is going to gain after his recent antics…delporable for a presedential candidate. He lied to the american people when he said he was not in the pews when controvercial comments were made and then yesterday he said he was…poor judgement just being involved with this racist minister

Step down Obama…you will never win the general

Jack,

She will be left the nominee. People will not publicly say it, but the superdelegates will give the nomination to Hillary. In light of the Obama campaign problems with his nutty pastor, to nominate Obama would be a political death for the democrats come the general election. Republicans will railroad him and the democrats for that matter for nominating him after the fact. He is toast.

Jermaine
Coila, Mississippi

Another what if question? Well, Hillary is going to win. Obama just self destructed! The country is sick of some blacks complaining about not getting enough attention! I live in Richmond, VA and i’m sick of it to. It’s rampant here. And that’s not racist.
We recently got back from San Antonio where we were so amazed by the attitude of that city. Every business and restaurant was sincerely happy to serve us and genuinely happy to be working. That’s an attitude for success. Any any race has that ability. Couple that with the 22 years in the Air Force working with the finest Americans from every aspect of humanity, then I can complain when people are lazy and want something for nothing! If we could just all be Americans instead of Black Americans and Hispanic Americans, America would win! I don’t care where you came from, just do your Job!

But Obama has started the old pity us routine and that is a show stopper! hillary will win now!

Where she put herself with her poorly managed campaign, Jack.

In fact, I’ll use her eloquent words: “In the soup”

Maybe the she will have to learn how to play by the rules like everyone else does. Harold Ickes was involved in making the rules that are now affecting Florida and Michigan. Why was it not an injustice last year when she signed the Pledge?

It seems to me that she manipulates the rules to suit her and if there is someone standing there she can use to strengthen her argument, she uses them. I don’t think that is working here in Michigan. Those I have talked to do not appreiciate the fact that she is attempting to change the rules right before our eyes. It is offensive to me and insults my intelligence that she is trying to make someone else responsible for her decision.

Jack , the Democrate party is so totally screwed up that nothing will get it straightened out. Don’t they remember that 2000 in Florida every vote was to count? Now they are saying not to count the Florida and Michigan votes. The bigger question is ” Where will this leave the Michigan and Florida democrate voters, and when will the Democrate Party realize they have elected the wrong president to lead thier party?” Could be one reason it is in such a mess.

Hillary will be Left Behind with no one to blame but herself.

If the deligates can’t be seated, then they will have to stand up at the convention. Does anyone think that the democratic process can work here if all of the United States are not allowed to vote, and be represented at the convention. If I remember correctly the decision was made not to SEATthe deligates from Florida, and Michigan, but there was never anything ever said about Florida, or Michigan not being represented by a vote of their states electorate, only that the deligates from those two states may have to stand up at the convention to be counted if they can’t be seated.

Jack, I can’t even believe you would ask this question considering your obvious disregard for her!

It’s not about Hillary, Jack! It’s about the voters in Michigan and Florida. It leaves them both exactly where they are now!

Let it go, Jack! Get a life!

Where will Hillary be without the Election Re-do’s in Michigan or Florida -

Same place she is right now, 2nd Place…

What an inane question! The question should be “Where does it leave the Democratic Party?” You can argue “rules are rules”, but the end result if the revotes are not done, or the delegates not seated, it will be a Democratic loss in November regardless who is the nominee. Howard Dean and the DNC are responsible for this fiasco period. Obama needs to suck it up and think about the party for once instead of himself.

Roy
Jax, FL

It will leave her under political bankrupcy, but maybe she can buy a few superdelegates by continuing to invite them for cocktails at her mansion. You never know what else she will do. She might blame the media, Obama, the internet, Bush, elected delegates, prehaps even blame Bill; afterall, she only stayed with him for political reasons.

Waiting for Bill so they can finally put an end to their destructive marital union without taking the rest of us down with them. We don’t deserve the punishment she bestowed on Bill (the task of making her president) and we won’t pay the price.

Let’s wait and count the votes not yet cast. I have a feeling Mr. Obama may not get as many now that he’s better known. He tarred the Clinton’s with race, then karma put it back on him big time. Racism cuts both ways, but CNN seems oblivious to that. Most white people of past generations in America were poor and struggling, yet black Americans like Obama’s friends would like to make us pay today for what 5% of our wealthy ancestors did to them.

She may not win the nomination without revotes, but Obama should see that omitting Florida and Michigan is bad for him as well. Everyone knows that Clinton is favored in those states. For Obama to win the nomination without revotes would seem unfair.

Hillary will still be in a good position to overtake Obama, even if Florida and Michigan don’t vote. If the math is correct, this race is going to the convention, where everything can change with those super delegates. The super delegates are the smartest politicians around, they won’t be easily deceived by pretty talk, and probably won’t vote the same as the “normal” delegates. Honestly, they’re smarter than we are, and I trust them to make the RIGHT decision.

Jack, when you look at either the delegate count or the revotes, just remember that FIGURES DON’T LIE but LIARS FIGURE.

Say good night Gracie……She’s done. It’s my understanding that without Florida her chances are very slim. If she REALLY cared about the Democratic party and if she really cared about this country, as much as she says she does, she would bow out now and let Obama start concentrating on the general election against McCain. Otherwise we’ll end up with yet another batch of arrogant idiots we’ve had to endure for the last 7ish years. God help us all if that happens.

Up the creek with out a paddle…where she should be with all of her shenanigans

She is really reaching deep in her bag of tricks.
I despise people who scrap, claw, cheat, and steal their way to the top - as we have seen, it produces tyrants.

With, or without the Florida and Michigan votes / re-votes, Hillary Clinton remains in the same place: DESPERATION. She is and will still be BEHIND OBAMA: behind in votes, behind in the number of states won, behind in pledged delegates, and losing ground in superdelegates.

Jack I am writing you from Truro, Nova Scotia
I think that Hillary will be left in a state of confusion. She already doesn’t understand why she wasn’t “crowned” with the presidency and if FL and MI don’t count she won’t be able to understand that sometimes rules that she agreed to won’t be reversed just because she wants to change the rules more than halfway through the game.

If neither Michigan nor Florida re-vote it is not for lack of trying. They have noone to be mad at but themselves. I am convinced by all of their infighting that they simply don’t want a seat at the table come August. Florida has learned nothing playing by the rules in the last 8 years and I had such high hopes for Michigan. I guess I was wrong.

But it simply won’t won’t matter. If the remaining Super Delegates voice their opinion after the last primary in June and make a defacto nominee before the convention I will have no problem with the DNC saying ‘rules be damned’ and seating MI & FL as-is. Hillary will throw a stink if she loses, but I really wouldn’t expect anything else from her.

Of course the primary isn’t ligitimate if millions of voters are disinfranchised. Barack would be the illegitimate nominee, and would most likely lose in November. The ability of the Democratic Party to snatch defeat from certain victory would live on.

Jack, why do you ask the question when you and every one else knows the answer?It leaves Hillary and her negative campaign in Defeat!

Let’s be fair. Where would that leave Mr. Obama? You’re assuming he’s going to sweep the final primaries and win a majority of the super delegate vote. I think Michigan and Florida should do a revote or not have their delegates seated. What’s the point in splitting the votes equally between the candidates and seating the delegates unless the delegates can vote whichever way they choose? But I do have a question for you, Jack. I noticed when Ms. Clinton gave a speech today about Michigan she intimated that she had left her name on the ballot on purpose, but when this issue first arose, didn’t her campaign say she had tried to take it off but it was too late? Maybe I’m confused; after all, I watched McCain’s press conference from Iraq yesterday and he doesn’t know the difference between Al Qaeda and Iranian trained extremists without Lieberman whispering in his ear. McCain clearly wants to bomb Iran and can’t wait to be President. I hope the voting public denies him that chance.

It will make Barack Obama the Democrat nominee and will make John McCain president Jan. 20, 2009.

Jack,

Clinton is left with a slim chance because the media and democratic leadership won’t speak out and tell her what the rest of the country already knows, which is that she lost. As long as the media keeps her name and story in the news cycle, voters will continue to believe she actually has a chance to overcome an insurmountable delegate disadvantage. Since the Republican nominee doesn’t seem to notice the difference between Sunnis and Shiites, I think it’s about time we stepped back, harnessed our energy and forces, and launched a full onslought against the ignorance and corruption of the Republican party.

I can’t vote either. I’m just a permanent resident but will still hold allegiance to whomever attains the Presidency.
Rules were broken, Jack! Why should we be so concerned about giving Florida and Michigan a chance to re-vote? The decision is up to the rule makers, the DNC. They still seem pretty determined that there will be no representation by delegates of these two States. As Hillary Clinton is so far behind in everything (not a small difference as her campaigners keep saying) I can’t see how her share of these votes would make any difference anyway. Is it disappointing for her to lose? No doubt. But, bear this in mind, Hillary, everybody prefers a good loser to a sour winner.

No doubt she will come up with some other way to subvert her party and country. If she doesn’t win this battle of double-speak, she’ll just blame Obama and tead to the next one.

It will leave Hillary and Bill trying to get Chelsea elected President in 2012. They want a wedding in the White House whatever the cost.!!

This would not even be a question if Barack Obama was behind. The rules are the rules. But Hillary wants to have it both ways… make exceptions. It’s not going to work this time! Hillary is left to Build a Bridge and get over it.

It leaves her where she is today, where she will be if the revotes are allowed, and where she will ultimately end up; behind Obama and still seeking to reap the rewards of failure, which is the super delegates

In the embarressing position of being forced to reveal who actually matters in the democratic party, the rich and privilaged like her and Bill. The super delegates will appoint her the nominee and expose the truth of the matter, in November we can either vote for the rich guy in the suit the republican or the rich guy (gal) in the sweater the democrat. Gore, Kerry, Edwards take your pick put a black suit and tie on any of em and they look like a rich republican. The liberal rhetoric is just the smoke their blowing in our faces and up our (you know) to make us believe we live in a democracy.

Jack,
Hillary’s left between a rock and a hard place, but that will not deter her. She’ll discover new roots or a former family abode in Puerto Rico, or she’ll harangue superdelegates to come back to her camp. Don’t you get it, Jack; she’s Medusa - only decapitation will stop her.

Jack,

It’s important to see where Obama will be WITH a revote. He has received no popular votes from Michigan, so a revote there will net him another few hundred thousand votes, minimum! People keep talking about how Senator Clinton will benefit from revotes, but she already received more than a million “free” votes from the two uncontested primaries. A revote in Michigan will either give Hillary the same or less support than she initially received, while Obama will make huge gains in his popular vote tally, which could only grow from what were “uncommitted” votes in Michigan.

Brian
Idaho

She will get paid back for not following the DNC rules. All the other candidates followed the rules.

For the sake of our beloved Democratic Party, I hope she bows out soon but I’m not counting on it.

She is better off if they don’t vote. If they do she’ll gain ground on Obama, primarily in Florida, but still trail in total delegates. As long as they don’t vote she can pretend the two states would put her over the top. The implication of a potential vote is more powerful for her then an actual vote. This is why her campaign will make it impossible for either state to actually redo it’s election, all while claiming that they should.

Jack, she should be concerned. With the momentum that Obama has had in recent weeks, She’s in for one of the biggest roller coaster rides of her life.

Well according to the Chairman of the Democratic Party it will be left to the rules committee. Where we will learn who Hilary’s VP will be can anyone say Howard Dean.
Howard
Joshua Tree, Ca

March 4th was a good day for her and she only won a net of 4 delegates. At this rate is goint to take her more than 80 state primaries to catch up. Since she has been trying to chance the race rules, maybe she can include the 80+ countries she claims to have “visited” into the race. This will be really helpful considering her present mathematical standing.

In a corner….and when anyone is cornered (especially a politician), they tend to attack…’nuff said.

Jack, if neither Michigan nor Florida have revotes, Hillary will simply revert to several tactics; one, attempt to convince the voters that it was Obama who kept them from having their votes counted, therby greatly diminishing his voting block in those two states; and making an ALL OUT ASSAULT on her claim that SHE IS MORE ELECTORABLE THEN OBAMA.

Jack,
It leaves her short in all categories used to determine the Democratic nominee, which is why she will continue to harp on this issue. Her ‘big state’ argument isn’t going to fly with the superdelegates so the only possible argment she has left is the popular vote.
Wasn’t she one of the Democratic leaders who originally agreed that FL and MI delegates should not be be seated due to their own decisions? Who out there thinks she be taking up this ‘crusade’ if it was Wisconsin and South Carolina in this predicament?

In the dust, and then finally back to NY.

If the clock runs out on the possible re-do in Michigan today, then it leaves Hillary with some serious thinking that she and her advisors should do. If she continues to fight without the possiblity of winning without the overturning the popular vote and the pledged delegates, then she will destory her political future and the Democratic party’s possible win in November. Hillary will leave us all with another four years of Bush/McCain and a sinking economy.

The Democratic Party leaders will also have some serios thinking to do. It is time for Edwards, Richardson, and Gore to save the party and endorse the frontrunner before McCain further increases his lead over both of the Democractic candidates.

it leave the demacratic party in deep shit obama can not win florida so if tthey don’t revote and hillary gets the delegates the race is over

I think that she will be in pretty good shape. She has the majority votes in the Michigan and florida primary. The Delegates will be presented to the credentials committee and they should seat the delegations. It would be political suicide for the party to anger the voters in 2 of the most elector rich states. If they don’t seat the delegation, the election is over and we will have a third term for mcBush.

Jack, a better question where does that leave the “democrat party”? Let’s face it we GOT DAMN! The Audacity Of Hype..

There will be a temper tantrum of ths size and scope that will make all two-year-olds in the country will look well mannered. Jack, face it, she isn’t going to “go quietly into the good night.” Scorch the Earth will be her preferred method of exit.

Frank
Connellsville, PA

Well she won’t have to release anymore doctored documents. Transparency by way of a blackout. Priceless!

Hope
Ohio

Jesus, yet another Hillary Bashing Question..

It leaves her in the race Jack!

Why don’t you just stop pretending to be a newsman and sign on to the Obama Camapign? I expect to see an Obam 2008 Button on you on your next on air time!

Jack, it will leave Clinto with the democratic nomination because your man Obama is going nowhere after his historic speech where he threw his white grandmother under the wheels of his bus and then backed over her. This country has come to far with race issues to let Obama push us back 30 years with his racial comments that he backs up for the Rev Wright. Jack you still need to get a jacket and try to loook a little professional

Either up Lake Michigan or down in the Florida swamps… who cares

She may join Rev. Wright and start damning America.
It seems to work for Obama.

Grady
Oakman, Ga.

If neither Florida nor Michigan holds revotes, where does that leave Hillary Clinton?

As the Jr. Senator from New York.

I agree that Hillary should step aside and let Obama have it. When the super delegates realize that his numbers are going in the toilet and that he will lose badly to John (can’t tell Sunni from shinola) McCain, they will be begging her to step in and give the democrats a fighting chance in November. Otherwise, this will just drag out and Obama’s supporters will have a scapegoat for his tanking approval ratings instead of placing blame where it lies, on his poor judgment.

She is still behind, but the big question is what happens to the democratic party without the revotes? What should of been a sure fire presidency win for the democrats this year, is being bungled by the DNC. Seems to me the DNC is just provoking the democrats of Michigan and florida to vote republican in nov!

Crying and blaming someone else for something she agreed to.

It leaves her where she is right now. Hopelessly behind Barack Obama but, still a pest that won’t take the hint and go away

It leaves her with two fewer straws to clutch at.

Leave her still behind but not to far. Neither candidate will win enough pledged delegates to win so she should to be forced to drop out because there is not presumptive nominee. They are both still in it. She (nor obama) are “destroying” the democratic party but rather the democratic voters indecision is where the fault lies.

Jack,

It will not help or hurt Senator Clinton. She should focus on what is ahead, and move away from Florida and Michigan. The party heads in both states did not follow the rules. Therefore, It is in her best interest to support the overall sentiment of her party, and abide by the rules that have been set in place. All the candidates were away of the consequences. This is just another distraction for the DNC. The primary goal today is to start positioning either Hillary or Obama for the general election.

Thank you,

Denise
Chicago, IL

If Hillary Clinton had not of broke her own party rules we would not be in this mess. She should of removed her name also. Her non-compliance of her own party rules shows that she does not believe in or hold to her own party’s ethics. It puts her in GET OUT WHILE THE GETTINS’ GOOD! Before someone in the Democratic hierarchy figures out how self-serving she is. Ask yourself, do we want a president who will break rules to suit their own self interest. Do we want a president whose greatest experience is contriving?

I just want someone to tell me that if she was ahead in this race she would really be fighting this hard for the revotes in Florida and Michigan. From where she is sitting she feels like this is the only thing she can do to get the nomination. I keep reading everywhere that she still has things in her bag of tricks she has not used, that is a very terrible thing to think about, I have a feeling we really have not seen ugly yet. I am not real sure where this leaves Hillary, but I feel sure she will not go away quietly.

Bottom of the 9th…Clinton at bat…Score, Clinton-2, Obama-3…Count,3&2…Roger Clemons throws his record breaking fast ball right down the middle, she swings and…………….

WITH A JOB IN THE SENATE….UNLIKE SOME AMERICANS

HEIDI

It will leave her where she is now, behind. Even if she wins Pennsylvania, she still won’t shorten Senator Obama’s lead. She will then go to the superdelegates (which she’s already been doing) and try to convince them that because she won the large states, she should be the nominee. Oh, I forgot, she’ll also need to cook up a new-old scandal to wrap Obama up in to divert the media’s attention away from her impending loss.

Go home hillary it’s over, even before it’s start. Something else when do you expect to release your tax return …hum I don’t recall…

why shouldnt american citizens in 2 big states have the right to have their vote counted.actually it shouldnt matter which state. they are american citizens. first of all florida citizens voted . they had a choice. true their was no campaigning but they had a choice. anyway lets find a way lets revote. all votes count. if it was georgia, mississsippi, and ala bamba would obama camp be against a revote. im sure they wouldnt. this election process is not over yet. i feel the tide is changing. god bless joe from s.i. new york

It will leave her in the same place Bill had her when he was “working” with Monica Lewinski, 2nd place,

Considering her recent whimsical thinking about Obama being on “her” ticket, it appears that not even the democratic convention will stop her, regardless of the outcome.

Maybe not even the general election. Imagine the concept of her battling in court to be the one sworn in, or even the legal wrangling as she tries to use some vague “squatter’s rights” law to gain access to the white house.

Harry
Kentucky

The fire-wall of the Democratic party is slowly beginning to melt down so are the videos of Rev. Wright.
If Hillary and Bill can’t bully there way to force the DNC and Gov. Dean to give them Michigan and Florida why don’t they do the right thing and get a Mccain/ Clinton ticket going !!!

Hillary should be happy she can always say she won Florida - but Unequivocally, if obama ’s excellent team of organizers, the decent, sturdy, straight look of him, his obvious integrity and as a gifted speaker and leader, had the opportunity to campaigned here in a Florida, he would have pulled in more votes than the Jan. primary totals. At 77 yrs. of age I’ve been involved in democrat politics as far back as I can remember. (was a democratic chad observer in that other Fl. hullaballo mess) .

Jack
This is an easy answer only one word. FINISHED

From what I understand, Hillary & Bill are quite a wealthy couuple. This means she can just finish her Senate term and then retire quite comfortably. The two of them have had quite a run. Let’s see — they have lived in other people’s mansions all of their lives, living on the state or country, with drivers, security, and the best of everything all provided for them. Wouldn’t we all love to have a job wherein all of our earnings are clear; that is to say, no rent or mortgage, insurance, car payment, utilities, personal care, food, etc.

If, on the other hand, she wants to continue to “help the children” and work for the “American People” — then she could run for another tern and continue her work. Unfortunately, she will always have to be careful of Bill’s business activities as they can be quite embarrassing and also represent a “conflict of interest!”

Jack,

It will lead her to the Democratic Convention and up to super-delegates.

It will lead McCain into the White House.

It will lead Obama back in his militant Church denouncing White Americans.

It will lead our country down in the toilet.

It leaves her in the same place that she was in before Texas and Ohio. I am sorry to say that she will continue to bring Obama down. If she can not have the Presidency then she is making damn sure no other Democrat will have it either. She will not endorse Obama when it is finally over, and she will plan to run again in 4 years. The Presidency “belongs” to her. She stayed with her cheating husband all of these years just so she could be President, and NO ONE will keep her from it. God help us all.

I realize that this does not relate to the topic, but I felt compelled to comment on the criticism that Senator John McCain is receiving about an apparent mistake he made in stating that Iran is training Al-Qaeda. The truth is that has been widely reported in the media. Common enemies make for strange bedfellows. I trust John’s knowledge and judgment.

Jack,

I don’t think it leaves her anywhere but still in the race of her life. She and all the rest of us need to move on. Michigan and Flordia are out until the general election. Rules are made to be followed

The loser. Obama is now 142 delegates ahead. Even if Clinton wins Pennsylvania by 66% to 33% (unlikely), she’ll still be 90 delegates behind, with most of the remaining states set to go for Obama (eg the delegate-rich North Carolina). It’s all over.

Jack: I noticed Clinton refers to Obama as “un-American,” huh? This wouldn’t be a dig at Obama over the Wright controversy would it? Clinton is a closet racist and deserves to fail, along with the politics of old.

Florida and Michigan re-votes are Clinton’s only chance. The problem for Clinton, especially in Michigan, is that there is little to no chance that re-votes would give her anywhere near enough delegates or popular votes to help her. There’s nothing saying she would even win Michigan. More importantly, I think it’s telling that on the 5th anniversary of our entry into the Iraq war, Barack Obama gave a speech on the war and its affect on the country. Hillary Clinton went to Michigan and whined about the fact that she might not win the nomination if there’s not a re-vote-oh, and as an afterthought, I’ll get the troops out of that war I voted to authorize.

Jack, what is your problem with Hillary? Are you just a misogynist, or are you in love with Obama? Your Obama bias is REALLY disgusting. Suck it up, Jack - your boy has made himself unelectable. So sorry for the two of you.

I think our Country will be in a bad place, every vote should count, and if not a redo. What is Obama and his supporters so worried about if the 2 States do a redo, oh he may lose.
Jack I a White male independent that is voting for hillary, and could never vote for Obama, I do not like the association with his Pastor. White males do not vote for anyone that is ANTI-AMERICAN and a racist. You are judged by the company you keep, isn’t that they old saying.

Jack - I told you no matter how much Clinton bashing you do, It won’t
hurt her votes, people are smarter than that. That is why Hillary gets the smart vote.

I understand you think I should not have the right to vote because I live in Florida? Well, let me tell you something. I have broken no laws, commited no crimes, and I think according to the 15th ammendment of the United States Constitution I have every right to vote, and I will fight for that right here in Florida, a right that has been given to every other eligible voter in this country. I despise the attacks from the media and the pundits on the citizens here in Florida and Michigan. How many times do you need to be reminded the truth that the Florida Republican Legislature is the one that moved our primary date, not us the citizens and NOT Senator Clinton. I would dare you to go to the Florida DNC website and LISTEN to the audio of the Republicans laughing at the Democrats and mocking us when asked to please put the date back to Feb 5th. The Republicans are heard laughing and saying ,”So let me get this straight, you are asking us, the republicans to help the Democrats”?. You then hear the Republicans laughing and mocking us. What is more important to me is the United States Constitution, not some rules made up by a man who is a coward.

So, your question. Where is Clinton left without re-votes? Well, that can’t be answered because it won’t happen. Our votes will be counted one way or another, because IT IS THE LAW OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION

It came upon the screen to slow down-maybe I should repeat myself.

Where is Clinton. “where is Clinton”?

Florida and Michigan both knew where they stood before the primary-why should they get a second chance? The American public sure aren’t getting one, only foreign countries and finanical instutitions get that. That is a second chance, and a third ,fourth,etc.

I agree with Roland, they knew the rules when they changed the dates. They should make sure that during the next election, they get rid of the people in their states who caused this problem.

They knew the consequences in Jan that their delegations would not be seated if they proceeded to move their date forward in violation of DMC rules. They disregarded the DMC rules and did it anyway. Now that the race is still undecided they want to come in at the end of the race to have an impact on who the Democratic candidate is.
Changing the rules midstream is unfair. Hillary voted in Jan to abide by the DMC rules in Fla and went against the DMC by placing here name on the early race in Mi. She has to live by her decision. We do! She cannot have it both ways.

The arrogance of Senator Clinton is like none I have ever been witness in my lifetime. The “kitchen sink” is not empty yet!! Place the blame for this mess on Senator Obama is her answer. I am insulted by her “big states vs little states” comments. We are all important. Will this nonsense never end. I know intellectually she is desperate to win, but she does herself no favors by this behavior.

Hopefully it will lead her to a concession speech

Jack, This will give Hillary and Bill time to reflect on past mistakes, come up with a new plan and maybe just maybe try it again in 2012.

Unfortunately to continue on to her next attack on Obama. Who knows what will come next. Very SCARY. Give it up Hillary. Your turn has come and gone.

Paula CA

With his surge in popularity since at least the original vote in FL, she would still be where she is now if they revoted, up the proverbial creek.

IT WILL LEAVE WHERE SHE IS NOW AND SHOULD BE!

Jack, I think the people are too quick to judge Hillary. The media included. I would ask this question. If Obama thought it was Ok, to sit with his wife and children (daughters) in a place ,church or not and listen to such anti-american sentiments for 20 years what kind of president would he be? What must his children believe or even think, I can only imagine.
I believe the anti Hillary statements on your site have to be from republicans who wants Obama to win because they know McCain has no chance against Hillary and McCain can make a clean sweep with Obama.

Ahead in the minds of the majority of Democratic voters who feel that in a democratic voting process to exclude any vote is a travesty. If Senator Obama gets the nod he will loose not only 20-30% of Clinton supporters but Michigan, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania etc etc etc and then McCain will be in office. I doubt that Senator Obama has decided to bow out since he has come clean with his lies and ‘close family relationships’………………ick! So if that is his ‘experience’ lets take the lead from the leader, Senator Clinton and continue to fight for the voters rights………..period!

Jack,

Clinton can only look better because of this and for all the wrong reasons. She played the democrat party for fools the second they all agreed not to count Michigan and Florida. Right before they were supposed to vote she switches tones and all of a sudden she’s concerned about the voters being disenfranchised. By the way, disenfranchised is the most misleading word she could use. There is no inherent right for someone to vote in a primary. They still got to vote and their delegates were selected, but the DNC won’t recognize them, that’s all. So by using this tactic and phrasing she can only look good. If they don’t revote, she looks like a bleeding heart story having failed to fight for the non-existent rights of 2 states that she agreed to not allow. If she wins she looks like a triumphant champion of individual rights that people never had to begin with. Obama loses no matter what. He looks like a jack-… well you know… if they revote having disagreed with it. He looks like a heartless bast-… well you know… if they don’t revote for having triumphed in suppressing the - again - non-existant rights of the people.

Alex Herzog
Connecticut

If will leave her as the loser, and McCain will be our next President.

Adrift once again and knee deep in WHITEWATER !!! As they say, Hillary, be careful what you wish for.

CONCEDE HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don’t be silly Jack - it leaves her waiting 4 more years for the nomination, after John McCain serves his self imposed single term. If Obama doesn’t quickly answer Hillary’s challenge for those re-votes he will certainly win the nomination, but lose the election. Clinton is counting on him not biting the revote bait and thereby being responsible for disenfranchising all those voters. Obama’s people are right - she can’t win enough delegates to catch him with a revote, but yet he’s refusing. Just what is he afraid of?

If Michigan and Florida do not revote it forces Hillary to follow the original rules that she was more than happy to accept when she was the front-runner.

The Rules are the rules:
You can’t change the rules in the middle of the SuperBowl game because your team is loosing.

Hillary just needs to focus on each state and not JUST THE BIG STATES!! as she has been doing Focus on the People and the numbers will fall into place its a bit too late for that now…

Obama is in the lead and should win the superdelegates is the Primary continues

why do I bother to respond to this your rather self serving question?

if Michigan and Florida don’t get a revote- it leaves McCain in the white house in 2008, Hillary in whitehouse 2012 and Obama in the doghouse with Reverend Wright his mentor

Neither FL or Michigan holding revotes would put Hillary on the losing side one more time. It’s looking as though everything she feels is just and right of which she faces opposition, she looses. Americans should hold these truths to be self evident. It’s obvious she sides with the position that benefits her the most and the heck with what the pre establish rules and regulations are. She is showing a trait of going along with the pack until she feels that a turn in position will most benefit her. We’ve seen this before in her position on the Iraq war and she’s darn good a playing the race card.

HIGH AND DRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It probably means she goes to the convention, behind in delegates, trying to get the Super Delegates to vote for her.

Welcome to the Democratic party in 2008.

By the way, isn’t she a Super Delegate herself?

It leaves Clinton where she is behind in the delegates and popular vote and Florida and Michigan where they deserve to be: In the penalty box for breaking the rules.

Orlando, Florida

Jack Hillary needs to realize that it’s over. It is impossible for her to win this race without revotes. The longer she stays the longer Johnny Mac & friends have to prepare. She should prepare her resination speech tonight.

It leaves Hillary in a position to question the DNC and Barack Obama. He voluntarily took his name off the ballot. His campaign asked Michigan voters to vote “no contest” or something (similar to the way he votes in elected office) and he even found a loop hole and campaigned in FL using the Pro-Obama networks with whom Mr. Cafferty you work for. He lost them both. Howard Dean is the one tearing the Dems apart. I do have a question though that you should pose to your viewers…if Barack and his campaign feel it would do no good for Clinton to get the re-vote, then why not agree to let the vote stand as is? I mean, if it makes no difference, why would it matter?

It may actually help her - she has big victories by numbers (which she’d probably get anyway), clear reasons for loud accusation that Obama blocked the revote and disenfranchised voters because he afraid to loose and all those stories about Obama himself, his pastor, wife and aides which without doubt will continue to appear. Good moral case to superdelgates: if Obama plays by the letter of the rules, than superdelgates can make their choice without looking on who leads in superdelgate count. Popular vote from FL and MI still will be used in unofficial popular vote calculations and and with expected hight turnout in the next contexts (particularly, Puerto Rico) HRC will have good chances to surpass Obama at least by this count.

She will stay in the race because we all know she will not bow down. I am confident she will win the majority of the Superdelegates. If Obama does win the nomination I will be voting for John McCain.

Dan
Goodyear, Arizona

I’m a life long Democrat and I voted in our primary, but if my vote is not allowed or there won’t be a revote, then I will NOT vote in November,
and most of my friends and neighbors feel the same way.
We didn’t create the problem, all we did is vote and we expect our votes to count.

Jack
Michigan

Jack-

It keeps her where she belongs: second place. That’s something her and her supporters are used to.

PS. Keep bringing on the Hillary bashing questions; I love them!!!!

Obama ‘08

Floating down the “Whitwater” or the Snake river or no return in a raft with Bill using oars to move the raft and pulling a series of small rafts with Chelsea in one and all of their friends in the others. Of course they’ll be empty rafts. They would be going off course with Hillary’s directions. I hope this happens to renew my faith that what goes around comes around.

Out in the cold, I hope. We’ve already had 8 years of a president not following the rules - why should we want another?

Emily - Brunswick, ME

If neither Florida nor Michigan holds revotes, where does that leave Hillary Clinton? It will leave her in the dust generated by Sen. Barack Obama’s political momentum as he speeds off on his way to the White House where he will inject Change into the status quo and the body politic of the United States of America.

Where she should be-exit stage left.

…one step closer to being forced to resort to throwing an actual kitchen sink…

Not so fast Cafferty, Hillary is still fighting to win one more big State: the delusional State.

Hopefully drafting her concession speech.

I think it is high time we let Obama and Mccain go at it! We need some serious issues ironed out, fast.

It leaves her stuck in where she already was, on the losing side of the battle for the Democratic nomination. She needs to accept that she is not going to be the nominee in 2008. She should return to the Senate now before she ruins the Democatic party and their majority in both houses of congress. And does she really think that Obama won’t win the big states like California..come on Hillary, where is that genius that you are known for?

Jack,

I doubt there will be a recount; however, I am certain the delegates from Florida and Michigan will be seated at the convention. A decision by the elected delegates and super delegates may decide how best to handle the situation. Everyone could end up going home mad about something.
Mary
Russellville, KY

It is un-American to claim victory in an election where the contestants were not allowed to campaign, ask citizens for their votes and spread their message.

The two million people in Michigan and Florida who rightfully assumed it was a waste of time to go to the polls to cast a worthless vote are the ones who are being dienfranchised under the Clinton point of view.

Where does it leave Clinton? Up the creek without a paddle. She says that she left her name on the ballot in Michigan because the voters deserved to be heard. While I don’t disagree with the right to be heard, I do disagree with trying to circumvent the system by making an end-run. She knew they violated the rules, she knew the votes wouldn’t count, she agreed that the votes wouldn’t count, and if she was the frontrunner, this wouldn’t be an issue. But she’s not, and it is. Funny, that. Notice how no other past candidate is supporting her claim? Not one? They agree that the delegates should be seated, but not that she either won tho