FROM CNN's Jack Cafferty:
Hillary Clinton is challenging Barack Obama to a rematch in Michigan and Florida.
Clinton made a last-minute trip to Michigan today to emphasize her support for a re-vote there, saying it's "wrong, and frankly un-American" not to have delegates from the two states seated at the convention. She also is suggesting that the outcome of the general election may be at stake if Democrats don't count these delegates. Of course, the DNC penalized both these states for moving up their primaries.
Obama, whose name wasn't on the ballot in Michigan, hasn't yet supported or opposed the plan, but his campaign has raised a number of questions about the proposal. They say that a revote wouldn't make such a big difference in the overall delegate count and that the Clinton campaign is trying to change the rules to suit itself.
As for Florida, plans fell apart over the weekend when the state's Democratic Party said there won't be any revote.
For Clinton, though, many see the revotes in the two states as a necessity. Big victories would help her close the gap with Obama when it comes to pledged delegates as well as the popular vote. Two more victories would also bolster her argument to superdelegates that she can deliver key states.
But the argument to seat Florida and Michigan's delegates based on results from January seems to lose some weight when you consider this: a new study by a Wharton professor suggests that about two million more people would have voted in Michigan and Florida if they thought their votes would have counted.
Here’s my question to you: If neither Florida nor Michigan holds revotes, where does that leave Hillary Clinton?
Interested to know which ones made it on air?
Dennis from Dallas writes:
I don't believe Michigan or Florida will get a redo in their primaries. Hillary will go on to win Pennsylvania, but not by enough to seriously put a dent in Obama's delegate lead. Whatever gains she makes will likely be erased in subsequent primaries. She'll then be left asking the superdelegates to award her the nomination.
Amy from Kalamazoo, Michigan writes:
Should the two states choose no revote at all, Hillary Clinton will come out behind in the delegate count, but still looking like the single person who fought for the people of these states, while Obama will look like the poster child for the establishment. Nice role reversal, eh?
If Obama doesn't quickly answer Hillary's challenge for those re-votes, he will certainly win the nomination, but lose the election. Clinton is counting on him not biting the revote bait and thereby being responsible for disenfranchising all those voters. Obama's people are right – she can't win enough delegates to catch him with a revote, but yet he's refusing. Just what is he afraid of?
If Michigan and Florida do not revote, it forces Hillary to follow the original rules that she was more than happy to accept when she was the front-runner.
Why do I bother to respond to this, your rather self-serving question? If Michigan and Florida don't get a revote, it leaves McCain in the White House in 2008, Hillary in White House in 2012, and Obama in the doghouse, with Reverend Wright as his mentor.
Carlo from Baker, Louisiana writes:
Where she should be: exit stage left.
David from Minneapolis writes:
One step closer to being forced to resort to throwing an actual kitchen sink.
In the Senate for the rest of her life?
They should either have a re-vote in Michigan and Florida or reduce the number of delegates needed to be declared the Democrat nominee by the total of the Michigan and Florida delegates.
It would leave Hillary Clinton high and dry, even if she does win Pennsylvania. If she has any respect for the democratic process and the will of the people, she will end her candidacy, throw her support behind Obama, unite the party, and work to defeat McCain. Of course, that's like asking Don Quixote to stop tilting at windmills. Sadly, it isn't going to happen.
in the dust... :-)
Exactly where she is Jack, behind in pop vote, behind in delegates, behind in states. This thing was over some time ago perhaps it's time the SD's gave her a reality check (pink slip).
in a strong position to argue that Obama has divided the country by racial lines and can not win the General Election
He's lost white support and independent voters by large numbers and is loosing his AA base as i type
If Michigan and Florida don't vote it keeps Ms Clinton where she is at-Behind.
It will most likely add a nasty wrinkle to an unhappy face
Stuck between the democrats and a hard place? I don't really know, maybe she will continue to argue that she still deserves the nomination because she won all the "big states". I think the race would still go to the convention because she is convinced this is her time and will somehow get the nomination. Is this race about whats good for American or what's good for Hillary? I'm trying to remain unbias...
Hillary Clinton will be left in the boxing ring with bloodied boxing gloves. She's far behind now and is out of breadth because she can't catch up. The Clinton machine has suffered the biggest blow of the Century. Hip, hip hooray! The Democratic Party has spoken and I give them credit for sticking by their policies. Florida and Michigan knew what they were setting themselves up for and still decided to defy party rules. It's too bad that millions' of voters have been disenfranchised. When people go back to the polls, they should vote these irresponsible legislators out of office for the deliberate sabatoge to their States' delegation vote.
Vero Beach, FL
Hillary can't win the delegate count regardless of what happens in Florida or Michigan. The revotes were supposed to make things a little easier for the general election.
She's going to have to go back to her bag of dirty tricks to try to steal some superdelegates. The only problem is, Obama is successfully stealing superdelegates from her!
The only thing she has left to hope for is for him to make a fatal mistake. Oh, wait – he just did – with his pastor! But he seems to be recovering from that, so she's screwed.
It will probably leave her where she deserves to be, voting for someone other than herself on election day.
I'm an Obama supporter, but please don't let that happen Jack, because we all better duck and run for cover,...you included.
I can't even concieve of what her next move will be, but trust me, it's not going to be pretty
The same place she is left with the re-votes – a loser!
Jack she is left to go back to the Senate where she will enjoy her final two years there as a result of all the damage she is doing to the Democratic Party.
TAMPA, FL. I HEAR THAT THEY ARE TAKING APS FOR PARKING ATTENDANTS FOR THE CONVENTION PAYING $10/HR. SHE SHOULD LOOK INTO IT.
I hope that it would leave Senator Clinton in the toilet! She will say and do anything to win and then just see how quickly they go about the 'Clintons Agenda' and forget about all the promises they made to us dummies to get there.
That would leave BOTH Hillary Clinton AND Barak Obama right where they currently are... No further ahead or any further behind... Jeez, Jack !! I am wondering what kind of answers you are going to get from people on this....from Mary; the disenfranchized, pissed off voter from Sarasota, FL...Give Me A Break, already....
It leaves Senator Clinton with 2 options. She can nobly step aside with the realization her delegate count will never reach Obama's, or she can do great damage to the party by attempting a year 2000 Supreme Court maneuver. The latter will not be a flattering addition to her 35 years of experience.
Dead in the water.
Jack, Hillary refuse to do the Math, it's over for her, If Obama had loss 12 contest, he would have been gone. Hillary can't except "NO", she'll drag this out in court (Steal the Election) Look BOTH States broke the Rules, including Hillary, so to bad, this contest is over, Senator Obama has won! Hillary should go back to the Senate & try to get some Laws passed after her trial is over. Remember Paul vs Clinton trial will be soon, then she can explain her campaign fraud case to us.
This is an explosion waiting to happen. Its nearly impossible for Hillary to win the nomination without Florida or Michigan. The remaining superdelegates would throw the party into chaos if they don't vote for the candidate with the most pledged delegates. And if they do, then tell Howard Dean and the rest of the DNC thanks for alienating the voters and where do I sign up to be a Republican?
Hopefully, up a creek without a paddle?
HRC joined this race knowing the rules. If the rules are enforced it will leave her in a position of fairness. If they are changed fairly during the course of this campaign it will leave her in a position of fairness.
The people of Florida were done in by the republican controlled congress in that state, not by the DNC or the Democratic party there; nor by Gov. Dean. The people of Michigan are victims, if at all, of their own actions, not of the DNC or Howard Dean or Barack Obama or anyone else. It is shameful that these voters were perhaps disenfranchised and all that can be done about it should be done. But in the end a validation of a candidate by 48 of the 50 states plus the various other factions is adequate, and HRC can have no legitimate complaints.
Slightly off-topic, but if revotes are turned down based on money/time arguments, then could a less accurate but cheaper method work? How about splitting the Florida michigan democratic candidates based on the results of a (large and carefully thought out) telephone Poll?
Severely delegate deficient and stark raving mad!
It leaves Hillary in the same place she is now........defeated; and all of America loves a good loser.
First, it leaves the Dem voters of FL and MI disfranchised through no fault of their own, and that is an outrage. Second, it probably helps us Dems get stuck with a nominee who is clearly unelectable, through both the fault of the media, and a huge number of gullible voters who apparently neither understand how republican attack politics works, nor remember the elections of 1988, 2000, and 2004.
And thirdly, it will force Mrs Clinton to appeal to the common sense of the super delegates to vote for an electable nominee, and not saddle us, once again, with a nominee who has no chance whatsoever in November.
Senator Clinton may lose the battle but the Democrats and Senator Obama will most definitely lose the war. Both Florida and Michigan will vote Republican if their Democrat votes are not wanted by the party.How can the next President get elected without carrying Florida and Michigan,plus all the states that Clinton won?Obama will not carry all the states that Clinton won and that guarantees a McCain victory.It seems its more important for the Democrat leadership to prevent a Clinton nomination than it is to prevent a Republican White House.The perpetual also-ran crowd is back in business in the Democratic Party.
Back in New York. Same place she will be if they are counted.
Let's make it clear. Even if Florida and Michigan have a re-vote, Clinton will have a hard time overcoming Obama's lead in elected delegates and maybe even popular vote. But her strategy is to prolong the fight and win some more states because it is ridiculous to go in front on superdelegates and explain why your opponent has won almost twice as many states. I believe she must step aside, but I recognize that it is her legal right to stay in the race, as much as it is her legal right to destroy the democrats real chance to have a president in the white house. Jack, in this Bill was right. You buy one Hillary and you get one free, but if she is not what you want, you are stuck with twice the tribulations.
I know for a fact that if there was a revote in Florida, Obama would do better than it did the first time due to many didnt vote because they knew it wasnt going to be counted.
I think no matter what a Presidential nominee will be selected. I dont place blame on either one of the Presidential nominees as it was the states that chose to break the rules. They were told it wouldnt count. I do blame Hillary for still putting her name on the ballots and campaigning there dispite the agreed pact they dems made to not campaign and not be on the ballot etc. Its like she set it up to fight back on it for her own benefit. Underhanded just like Hillary has always been.
By the way when will we be hearing Clinton questioned about her past and present (john paul) scandals? Obama always gets hit with his.. why not her? Is she immune or is the Media being paid to be hush hush on it? I am really shocked as many scandals as she has been involved in that its not out there in the light?
It would leave her where she should be left.......... out of the race and back to the senate !! Enough already, Hill !!
It would leave the same as Obama...not 2024.
They should be counted...this is typical american dysfunction!
Exactly where she is now, in second place. If she loved this country more than she hated losing, she would stop risking another 4 years of Bush-lite and let Obama get on with winning the general election.
Rightfully in 2nd place. Ultimately, Clinton won Michigan because she was the only major candidate. She won Florida because we knew the Clinton name. As a Floridian- I feel confident that if Obama would have campaigned here he would have either won or it would have been nearly dead even and we would still have the same delegate issue- with Hillary being in 2nd. Why does she have to be so divisive?
I think it would leave her thrilled. She can continue positioning herself as being victimized, fluff the poll numbers, and pitch to the superdelegates that she is the real candidate. Whatever happens, her camp will redefine the situation until it is beneficial to her, regardless of the reality.
Hillary would be and should be in the same place she is in today. She did agree not to campaign in Florida and Michigan or did I miss something? Signed a document, am I the only one who got that part? Wonder if she were leading if she would be such a crusader for the disenfranchised? Voting in the primaries is not the same as the presidential election. This is a vote that the Democrats hold to elect a candidate for their party. If I read correctly somewhere the Democratic Party could go behind closed doors and select a candidate for us without our input. How does that sound to the people of Florida and Michigan. Maybe we could not play by the rules and have all states excluded because some just don't get it.
Why is everyone assuming that Hillary would win in Florida and Michigan? She may win the Latino American vote, she hasn't lost them yet. But remember there were some undecided voters and
people are switching as they get to know and here the candidates.
Where is Clinton left? She left with her same old undermining,
lying tactics that she's used all along.
Running against Pres. McCain in 2012
We shouldn't be asking where it would leave Hillary. Where would it leave the Democratic Party? Don't expect either Michigan or Florida to swing to the Democrats in November if their votes aren't counted, no matter who the nominee is.
It would leave Hillary Clinton exactly where she is today, Playing Politics, I dare you game with peoples vote, on the anniversary of the Iraq war that she played with her own vote and supported Bush!
She's left stealing the election by greasing the pockets of the superdelegates. Win at all cost is her motto.
Obama should lose more than he is going to gain after his recent antics...delporable for a presedential candidate. He lied to the american people when he said he was not in the pews when controvercial comments were made and then yesterday he said he was...poor judgement just being involved with this racist minister
Step down Obama...you will never win the general
She will be left the nominee. People will not publicly say it, but the superdelegates will give the nomination to Hillary. In light of the Obama campaign problems with his nutty pastor, to nominate Obama would be a political death for the democrats come the general election. Republicans will railroad him and the democrats for that matter for nominating him after the fact. He is toast.
Another what if question? Well, Hillary is going to win. Obama just self destructed! The country is sick of some blacks complaining about not getting enough attention! I live in Richmond, VA and i'm sick of it to. It's rampant here. And that's not racist.
We recently got back from San Antonio where we were so amazed by the attitude of that city. Every business and restaurant was sincerely happy to serve us and genuinely happy to be working. That's an attitude for success. Any any race has that ability. Couple that with the 22 years in the Air Force working with the finest Americans from every aspect of humanity, then I can complain when people are lazy and want something for nothing! If we could just all be Americans instead of Black Americans and Hispanic Americans, America would win! I don't care where you came from, just do your Job!
But Obama has started the old pity us routine and that is a show stopper! hillary will win now!
Where she put herself with her poorly managed campaign, Jack.
In fact, I'll use her eloquent words: "In the soup"
Maybe the she will have to learn how to play by the rules like everyone else does. Harold Ickes was involved in making the rules that are now affecting Florida and Michigan. Why was it not an injustice last year when she signed the Pledge?
It seems to me that she manipulates the rules to suit her and if there is someone standing there she can use to strengthen her argument, she uses them. I don't think that is working here in Michigan. Those I have talked to do not appreiciate the fact that she is attempting to change the rules right before our eyes. It is offensive to me and insults my intelligence that she is trying to make someone else responsible for her decision.
Jack , the Democrate party is so totally screwed up that nothing will get it straightened out. Don't they remember that 2000 in Florida every vote was to count? Now they are saying not to count the Florida and Michigan votes. The bigger question is " Where will this leave the Michigan and Florida democrate voters, and when will the Democrate Party realize they have elected the wrong president to lead thier party?" Could be one reason it is in such a mess.
Hillary will be Left Behind with no one to blame but herself.
If the deligates can't be seated, then they will have to stand up at the convention. Does anyone think that the democratic process can work here if all of the United States are not allowed to vote, and be represented at the convention. If I remember correctly the decision was made not to SEATthe deligates from Florida, and Michigan, but there was never anything ever said about Florida, or Michigan not being represented by a vote of their states electorate, only that the deligates from those two states may have to stand up at the convention to be counted if they can't be seated.
Jack, I can't even believe you would ask this question considering your obvious disregard for her!
It's not about Hillary, Jack! It's about the voters in Michigan and Florida. It leaves them both exactly where they are now!
Let it go, Jack! Get a life!
Where will Hillary be without the Election Re-do's in Michigan or Florida –
Same place she is right now, 2nd Place...
What an inane question! The question should be "Where does it leave the Democratic Party?" You can argue "rules are rules", but the end result if the revotes are not done, or the delegates not seated, it will be a Democratic loss in November regardless who is the nominee. Howard Dean and the DNC are responsible for this fiasco period. Obama needs to suck it up and think about the party for once instead of himself.
It will leave her under political bankrupcy, but maybe she can buy a few superdelegates by continuing to invite them for cocktails at her mansion. You never know what else she will do. She might blame the media, Obama, the internet, Bush, elected delegates, prehaps even blame Bill; afterall, she only stayed with him for political reasons.
Waiting for Bill so they can finally put an end to their destructive marital union without taking the rest of us down with them. We don't deserve the punishment she bestowed on Bill (the task of making her president) and we won't pay the price.
Let's wait and count the votes not yet cast. I have a feeling Mr. Obama may not get as many now that he's better known. He tarred the Clinton's with race, then karma put it back on him big time. Racism cuts both ways, but CNN seems oblivious to that. Most white people of past generations in America were poor and struggling, yet black Americans like Obama's friends would like to make us pay today for what 5% of our wealthy ancestors did to them.
She may not win the nomination without revotes, but Obama should see that omitting Florida and Michigan is bad for him as well. Everyone knows that Clinton is favored in those states. For Obama to win the nomination without revotes would seem unfair.
Hillary will still be in a good position to overtake Obama, even if Florida and Michigan don't vote. If the math is correct, this race is going to the convention, where everything can change with those super delegates. The super delegates are the smartest politicians around, they won't be easily deceived by pretty talk, and probably won't vote the same as the "normal" delegates. Honestly, they're smarter than we are, and I trust them to make the RIGHT decision.
Jack, when you look at either the delegate count or the revotes, just remember that FIGURES DON'T LIE but LIARS FIGURE.
Say good night Gracie......She's done. It's my understanding that without Florida her chances are very slim. If she REALLY cared about the Democratic party and if she really cared about this country, as much as she says she does, she would bow out now and let Obama start concentrating on the general election against McCain. Otherwise we'll end up with yet another batch of arrogant idiots we've had to endure for the last 7ish years. God help us all if that happens.
Up the creek with out a paddle...where she should be with all of her shenanigans
She is really reaching deep in her bag of tricks.
I despise people who scrap, claw, cheat, and steal their way to the top – as we have seen, it produces tyrants.
With, or without the Florida and Michigan votes / re-votes, Hillary Clinton remains in the same place: DESPERATION. She is and will still be BEHIND OBAMA: behind in votes, behind in the number of states won, behind in pledged delegates, and losing ground in superdelegates.
Jack I am writing you from Truro, Nova Scotia
I think that Hillary will be left in a state of confusion. She already doesn't understand why she wasn't "crowned" with the presidency and if FL and MI don't count she won't be able to understand that sometimes rules that she agreed to won't be reversed just because she wants to change the rules more than halfway through the game.
If neither Michigan nor Florida re-vote it is not for lack of trying. They have noone to be mad at but themselves. I am convinced by all of their infighting that they simply don't want a seat at the table come August. Florida has learned nothing playing by the rules in the last 8 years and I had such high hopes for Michigan. I guess I was wrong.
But it simply won't won't matter. If the remaining Super Delegates voice their opinion after the last primary in June and make a defacto nominee before the convention I will have no problem with the DNC saying 'rules be damned' and seating MI & FL as-is. Hillary will throw a stink if she loses, but I really wouldn't expect anything else from her.
Of course the primary isn't ligitimate if millions of voters are disinfranchised. Barack would be the illegitimate nominee, and would most likely lose in November. The ability of the Democratic Party to snatch defeat from certain victory would live on.
Jack, why do you ask the question when you and every one else knows the answer?It leaves Hillary and her negative campaign in Defeat!
Let's be fair. Where would that leave Mr. Obama? You're assuming he's going to sweep the final primaries and win a majority of the super delegate vote. I think Michigan and Florida should do a revote or not have their delegates seated. What's the point in splitting the votes equally between the candidates and seating the delegates unless the delegates can vote whichever way they choose? But I do have a question for you, Jack. I noticed when Ms. Clinton gave a speech today about Michigan she intimated that she had left her name on the ballot on purpose, but when this issue first arose, didn't her campaign say she had tried to take it off but it was too late? Maybe I'm confused; after all, I watched McCain's press conference from Iraq yesterday and he doesn't know the difference between Al Qaeda and Iranian trained extremists without Lieberman whispering in his ear. McCain clearly wants to bomb Iran and can't wait to be President. I hope the voting public denies him that chance.
It will make Barack Obama the Democrat nominee and will make John McCain president Jan. 20, 2009.
Clinton is left with a slim chance because the media and democratic leadership won't speak out and tell her what the rest of the country already knows, which is that she lost. As long as the media keeps her name and story in the news cycle, voters will continue to believe she actually has a chance to overcome an insurmountable delegate disadvantage. Since the Republican nominee doesn't seem to notice the difference between Sunnis and Shiites, I think it's about time we stepped back, harnessed our energy and forces, and launched a full onslought against the ignorance and corruption of the Republican party.
I can't vote either. I'm just a permanent resident but will still hold allegiance to whomever attains the Presidency.
Rules were broken, Jack! Why should we be so concerned about giving Florida and Michigan a chance to re-vote? The decision is up to the rule makers, the DNC. They still seem pretty determined that there will be no representation by delegates of these two States. As Hillary Clinton is so far behind in everything (not a small difference as her campaigners keep saying) I can't see how her share of these votes would make any difference anyway. Is it disappointing for her to lose? No doubt. But, bear this in mind, Hillary, everybody prefers a good loser to a sour winner.
No doubt she will come up with some other way to subvert her party and country. If she doesn't win this battle of double-speak, she'll just blame Obama and tead to the next one.
It will leave Hillary and Bill trying to get Chelsea elected President in 2012. They want a wedding in the White House whatever the cost.!!
This would not even be a question if Barack Obama was behind. The rules are the rules. But Hillary wants to have it both ways... make exceptions. It's not going to work this time! Hillary is left to Build a Bridge and get over it.
It leaves her where she is today, where she will be if the revotes are allowed, and where she will ultimately end up; behind Obama and still seeking to reap the rewards of failure, which is the super delegates
In the embarressing position of being forced to reveal who actually matters in the democratic party, the rich and privilaged like her and Bill. The super delegates will appoint her the nominee and expose the truth of the matter, in November we can either vote for the rich guy in the suit the republican or the rich guy (gal) in the sweater the democrat. Gore, Kerry, Edwards take your pick put a black suit and tie on any of em and they look like a rich republican. The liberal rhetoric is just the smoke their blowing in our faces and up our (you know) to make us believe we live in a democracy.
Hillary's left between a rock and a hard place, but that will not deter her. She'll discover new roots or a former family abode in Puerto Rico, or she'll harangue superdelegates to come back to her camp. Don't you get it, Jack; she's Medusa – only decapitation will stop her.
It's important to see where Obama will be WITH a revote. He has received no popular votes from Michigan, so a revote there will net him another few hundred thousand votes, minimum! People keep talking about how Senator Clinton will benefit from revotes, but she already received more than a million "free" votes from the two uncontested primaries. A revote in Michigan will either give Hillary the same or less support than she initially received, while Obama will make huge gains in his popular vote tally, which could only grow from what were "uncommitted" votes in Michigan.
She will get paid back for not following the DNC rules. All the other candidates followed the rules.
For the sake of our beloved Democratic Party, I hope she bows out soon but I'm not counting on it.
She is better off if they don't vote. If they do she'll gain ground on Obama, primarily in Florida, but still trail in total delegates. As long as they don't vote she can pretend the two states would put her over the top. The implication of a potential vote is more powerful for her then an actual vote. This is why her campaign will make it impossible for either state to actually redo it's election, all while claiming that they should.
Jack, she should be concerned. With the momentum that Obama has had in recent weeks, She's in for one of the biggest roller coaster rides of her life.
Well according to the Chairman of the Democratic Party it will be left to the rules committee. Where we will learn who Hilary’s VP will be can anyone say Howard Dean.
Joshua Tree, Ca
March 4th was a good day for her and she only won a net of 4 delegates. At this rate is goint to take her more than 80 state primaries to catch up. Since she has been trying to chance the race rules, maybe she can include the 80+ countries she claims to have "visited" into the race. This will be really helpful considering her present mathematical standing.
In a corner....and when anyone is cornered (especially a politician), they tend to attack...'nuff said.
Jack, if neither Michigan nor Florida have revotes, Hillary will simply revert to several tactics; one, attempt to convince the voters that it was Obama who kept them from having their votes counted, therby greatly diminishing his voting block in those two states; and making an ALL OUT ASSAULT on her claim that SHE IS MORE ELECTORABLE THEN OBAMA.
It leaves her short in all categories used to determine the Democratic nominee, which is why she will continue to harp on this issue. Her 'big state' argument isn't going to fly with the superdelegates so the only possible argment she has left is the popular vote.
Wasn't she one of the Democratic leaders who originally agreed that FL and MI delegates should not be be seated due to their own decisions? Who out there thinks she be taking up this 'crusade' if it was Wisconsin and South Carolina in this predicament?
In the dust, and then finally back to NY.
If the clock runs out on the possible re-do in Michigan today, then it leaves Hillary with some serious thinking that she and her advisors should do. If she continues to fight without the possiblity of winning without the overturning the popular vote and the pledged delegates, then she will destory her political future and the Democratic party's possible win in November. Hillary will leave us all with another four years of Bush/McCain and a sinking economy.
The Democratic Party leaders will also have some serios thinking to do. It is time for Edwards, Richardson, and Gore to save the party and endorse the frontrunner before McCain further increases his lead over both of the Democractic candidates.
I think that she will be in pretty good shape. She has the majority votes in the Michigan and florida primary. The Delegates will be presented to the credentials committee and they should seat the delegations. It would be political suicide for the party to anger the voters in 2 of the most elector rich states. If they don't seat the delegation, the election is over and we will have a third term for mcBush.
Jack, a better question where does that leave the "democrat party"? Let's face it we GOT DAMN! The Audacity Of Hype..
There will be a temper tantrum of ths size and scope that will make all two-year-olds in the country will look well mannered. Jack, face it, she isn't going to "go quietly into the good night." Scorch the Earth will be her preferred method of exit.
Well she won't have to release anymore doctored documents. Transparency by way of a blackout. Priceless!
Jesus, yet another Hillary Bashing Question..
It leaves her in the race Jack!
Why don't you just stop pretending to be a newsman and sign on to the Obama Camapign? I expect to see an Obam 2008 Button on you on your next on air time!
Jack, it will leave Clinto with the democratic nomination because your man Obama is going nowhere after his historic speech where he threw his white grandmother under the wheels of his bus and then backed over her. This country has come to far with race issues to let Obama push us back 30 years with his racial comments that he backs up for the Rev Wright. Jack you still need to get a jacket and try to loook a little professional
Either up Lake Michigan or down in the Florida swamps... who cares
She may join Rev. Wright and start damning America.
It seems to work for Obama.
If neither Florida nor Michigan holds revotes, where does that leave Hillary Clinton?
As the Jr. Senator from New York.
I agree that Hillary should step aside and let Obama have it. When the super delegates realize that his numbers are going in the toilet and that he will lose badly to John (can't tell Sunni from shinola) McCain, they will be begging her to step in and give the democrats a fighting chance in November. Otherwise, this will just drag out and Obama's supporters will have a scapegoat for his tanking approval ratings instead of placing blame where it lies, on his poor judgment.
She is still behind, but the big question is what happens to the democratic party without the revotes? What should of been a sure fire presidency win for the democrats this year, is being bungled by the DNC. Seems to me the DNC is just provoking the democrats of Michigan and florida to vote republican in nov!
Crying and blaming someone else for something she agreed to.
It leaves her where she is right now. Hopelessly behind Barack Obama but, still a pest that won't take the hint and go away
It leaves her with two fewer straws to clutch at.
Leave her still behind but not to far. Neither candidate will win enough pledged delegates to win so she should to be forced to drop out because there is not presumptive nominee. They are both still in it. She (nor obama) are "destroying" the democratic party but rather the democratic voters indecision is where the fault lies.
It will not help or hurt Senator Clinton. She should focus on what is ahead, and move away from Florida and Michigan. The party heads in both states did not follow the rules. Therefore, It is in her best interest to support the overall sentiment of her party, and abide by the rules that have been set in place. All the candidates were away of the consequences. This is just another distraction for the DNC. The primary goal today is to start positioning either Hillary or Obama for the general election.
If Hillary Clinton had not of broke her own party rules we would not be in this mess. She should of removed her name also. Her non-compliance of her own party rules shows that she does not believe in or hold to her own party's ethics. It puts her in GET OUT WHILE THE GETTINS' GOOD! Before someone in the Democratic hierarchy figures out how self-serving she is. Ask yourself, do we want a president who will break rules to suit their own self interest. Do we want a president whose greatest experience is contriving?
I just want someone to tell me that if she was ahead in this race she would really be fighting this hard for the revotes in Florida and Michigan. From where she is sitting she feels like this is the only thing she can do to get the nomination. I keep reading everywhere that she still has things in her bag of tricks she has not used, that is a very terrible thing to think about, I have a feeling we really have not seen ugly yet. I am not real sure where this leaves Hillary, but I feel sure she will not go away quietly.
Bottom of the 9th...Clinton at bat...Score, Clinton-2, Obama-3...Count,3&2...Roger Clemons throws his record breaking fast ball right down the middle, she swings and................
WITH A JOB IN THE SENATE....UNLIKE SOME AMERICANS
It will leave her where she is now, behind. Even if she wins Pennsylvania, she still won't shorten Senator Obama's lead. She will then go to the superdelegates (which she's already been doing) and try to convince them that because she won the large states, she should be the nominee. Oh, I forgot, she'll also need to cook up a new-old scandal to wrap Obama up in to divert the media's attention away from her impending loss.
Go home hillary it's over, even before it's start. Something else when do you expect to release your tax return ...hum I don't recall...
why shouldnt american citizens in 2 big states have the right to have their vote counted.actually it shouldnt matter which state. they are american citizens. first of all florida citizens voted . they had a choice. true their was no campaigning but they had a choice. anyway lets find a way lets revote. all votes count. if it was georgia, mississsippi, and ala bamba would obama camp be against a revote. im sure they wouldnt. this election process is not over yet. i feel the tide is changing. god bless joe from s.i. new york
It will leave her in the same place Bill had her when he was "working" with Monica Lewinski, 2nd place,
Considering her recent whimsical thinking about Obama being on "her" ticket, it appears that not even the democratic convention will stop her, regardless of the outcome.
Maybe not even the general election. Imagine the concept of her battling in court to be the one sworn in, or even the legal wrangling as she tries to use some vague "squatter's rights" law to gain access to the white house.
The fire-wall of the Democratic party is slowly beginning to melt down so are the videos of Rev. Wright.
If Hillary and Bill can't bully there way to force the DNC and Gov. Dean to give them Michigan and Florida why don't they do the right thing and get a Mccain/ Clinton ticket going !!!
Hillary should be happy she can always say she won Florida – but Unequivocally, if obama 's excellent team of organizers, the decent, sturdy, straight look of him, his obvious integrity and as a gifted speaker and leader, had the opportunity to campaigned here in a Florida, he would have pulled in more votes than the Jan. primary totals. At 77 yrs. of age I've been involved in democrat politics as far back as I can remember. (was a democratic chad observer in that other Fl. hullaballo mess) .
This is an easy answer only one word. FINISHED
From what I understand, Hillary & Bill are quite a wealthy couuple. This means she can just finish her Senate term and then retire quite comfortably. The two of them have had quite a run. Let's see - they have lived in other people's mansions all of their lives, living on the state or country, with drivers, security, and the best of everything all provided for them. Wouldn't we all love to have a job wherein all of our earnings are clear; that is to say, no rent or mortgage, insurance, car payment, utilities, personal care, food, etc.
If, on the other hand, she wants to continue to "help the children" and work for the "American People" - then she could run for another tern and continue her work. Unfortunately, she will always have to be careful of Bill's business activities as they can be quite embarrassing and also represent a "conflict of interest!"
It will lead her to the Democratic Convention and up to super-delegates.
It will lead McCain into the White House.
It will lead Obama back in his militant Church denouncing White Americans.
It will lead our country down in the toilet.
It leaves her in the same place that she was in before Texas and Ohio. I am sorry to say that she will continue to bring Obama down. If she can not have the Presidency then she is making damn sure no other Democrat will have it either. She will not endorse Obama when it is finally over, and she will plan to run again in 4 years. The Presidency "belongs" to her. She stayed with her cheating husband all of these years just so she could be President, and NO ONE will keep her from it. God help us all.
I realize that this does not relate to the topic, but I felt compelled to comment on the criticism that Senator John McCain is receiving about an apparent mistake he made in stating that Iran is training Al-Qaeda. The truth is that has been widely reported in the media. Common enemies make for strange bedfellows. I trust John's knowledge and judgment.
I don't think it leaves her anywhere but still in the race of her life. She and all the rest of us need to move on. Michigan and Flordia are out until the general election. Rules are made to be followed
The loser. Obama is now 142 delegates ahead. Even if Clinton wins Pennsylvania by 66% to 33% (unlikely), she'll still be 90 delegates behind, with most of the remaining states set to go for Obama (eg the delegate-rich North Carolina). It's all over.
Jack: I noticed Clinton refers to Obama as "un-American," huh? This wouldn't be a dig at Obama over the Wright controversy would it? Clinton is a closet racist and deserves to fail, along with the politics of old.
Florida and Michigan re-votes are Clinton's only chance. The problem for Clinton, especially in Michigan, is that there is little to no chance that re-votes would give her anywhere near enough delegates or popular votes to help her. There's nothing saying she would even win Michigan. More importantly, I think it's telling that on the 5th anniversary of our entry into the Iraq war, Barack Obama gave a speech on the war and its affect on the country. Hillary Clinton went to Michigan and whined about the fact that she might not win the nomination if there's not a re-vote-oh, and as an afterthought, I'll get the troops out of that war I voted to authorize.
Jack, what is your problem with Hillary? Are you just a misogynist, or are you in love with Obama? Your Obama bias is REALLY disgusting. Suck it up, Jack – your boy has made himself unelectable. So sorry for the two of you.
I think our Country will be in a bad place, every vote should count, and if not a redo. What is Obama and his supporters so worried about if the 2 States do a redo, oh he may lose.
Jack I a White male independent that is voting for hillary, and could never vote for Obama, I do not like the association with his Pastor. White males do not vote for anyone that is ANTI-AMERICAN and a racist. You are judged by the company you keep, isn't that they old saying.
Jack – I told you no matter how much Clinton bashing you do, It won't
hurt her votes, people are smarter than that. That is why Hillary gets the smart vote.
I understand you think I should not have the right to vote because I live in Florida? Well, let me tell you something. I have broken no laws, commited no crimes, and I think according to the 15th ammendment of the United States Constitution I have every right to vote, and I will fight for that right here in Florida, a right that has been given to every other eligible voter in this country. I despise the attacks from the media and the pundits on the citizens here in Florida and Michigan. How many times do you need to be reminded the truth that the Florida Republican Legislature is the one that moved our primary date, not us the citizens and NOT Senator Clinton. I would dare you to go to the Florida DNC website and LISTEN to the audio of the Republicans laughing at the Democrats and mocking us when asked to please put the date back to Feb 5th. The Republicans are heard laughing and saying ,"So let me get this straight, you are asking us, the republicans to help the Democrats"?. You then hear the Republicans laughing and mocking us. What is more important to me is the United States Constitution, not some rules made up by a man who is a coward.
So, your question. Where is Clinton left without re-votes? Well, that can't be answered because it won't happen. Our votes will be counted one way or another, because IT IS THE LAW OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION
It came upon the screen to slow down-maybe I should repeat myself.
Where is Clinton. "where is Clinton"?
Florida and Michigan both knew where they stood before the primary-why should they get a second chance? The American public sure aren't getting one, only foreign countries and finanical instutitions get that. That is a second chance, and a third ,fourth,etc.
I agree with Roland, they knew the rules when they changed the dates. They should make sure that during the next election, they get rid of the people in their states who caused this problem.
They knew the consequences in Jan that their delegations would not be seated if they proceeded to move their date forward in violation of DMC rules. They disregarded the DMC rules and did it anyway. Now that the race is still undecided they want to come in at the end of the race to have an impact on who the Democratic candidate is.
Changing the rules midstream is unfair. Hillary voted in Jan to abide by the DMC rules in Fla and went against the DMC by placing here name on the early race in Mi. She has to live by her decision. We do! She cannot have it both ways.
The arrogance of Senator Clinton is like none I have ever been witness in my lifetime. The "kitchen sink" is not empty yet!! Place the blame for this mess on Senator Obama is her answer. I am insulted by her "big states vs little states" comments. We are all important. Will this nonsense never end. I know intellectually she is desperate to win, but she does herself no favors by this behavior.
Hopefully it will lead her to a concession speech
Jack, This will give Hillary and Bill time to reflect on past mistakes, come up with a new plan and maybe just maybe try it again in 2012.
Unfortunately to continue on to her next attack on Obama. Who knows what will come next. Very SCARY. Give it up Hillary. Your turn has come and gone.
With his surge in popularity since at least the original vote in FL, she would still be where she is now if they revoted, up the proverbial creek.
IT WILL LEAVE WHERE SHE IS NOW AND SHOULD BE!
Jack, I think the people are too quick to judge Hillary. The media included. I would ask this question. If Obama thought it was Ok, to sit with his wife and children (daughters) in a place ,church or not and listen to such anti-american sentiments for 20 years what kind of president would he be? What must his children believe or even think, I can only imagine.
I believe the anti Hillary statements on your site have to be from republicans who wants Obama to win because they know McCain has no chance against Hillary and McCain can make a clean sweep with Obama.
Ahead in the minds of the majority of Democratic voters who feel that in a democratic voting process to exclude any vote is a travesty. If Senator Obama gets the nod he will loose not only 20-30% of Clinton supporters but Michigan, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania etc etc etc and then McCain will be in office. I doubt that Senator Obama has decided to bow out since he has come clean with his lies and 'close family relationships'..................ick! So if that is his 'experience' lets take the lead from the leader, Senator Clinton and continue to fight for the voters rights...........period!
Clinton can only look better because of this and for all the wrong reasons. She played the democrat party for fools the second they all agreed not to count Michigan and Florida. Right before they were supposed to vote she switches tones and all of a sudden she's concerned about the voters being disenfranchised. By the way, disenfranchised is the most misleading word she could use. There is no inherent right for someone to vote in a primary. They still got to vote and their delegates were selected, but the DNC won't recognize them, that's all. So by using this tactic and phrasing she can only look good. If they don't revote, she looks like a bleeding heart story having failed to fight for the non-existent rights of 2 states that she agreed to not allow. If she wins she looks like a triumphant champion of individual rights that people never had to begin with. Obama loses no matter what. He looks like a jack-... well you know... if they revote having disagreed with it. He looks like a heartless bast-... well you know... if they don't revote for having triumphed in suppressing the – again – non-existant rights of the people.
If will leave her as the loser, and McCain will be our next President.
Adrift once again and knee deep in WHITEWATER !!! As they say, Hillary, be careful what you wish for.
Don't be silly Jack – it leaves her waiting 4 more years for the nomination, after John McCain serves his self imposed single term. If Obama doesn't quickly answer Hillary's challenge for those re-votes he will certainly win the nomination, but lose the election. Clinton is counting on him not biting the revote bait and thereby being responsible for disenfranchising all those voters. Obama's people are right – she can't win enough delegates to catch him with a revote, but yet he's refusing. Just what is he afraid of?
If Michigan and Florida do not revote it forces Hillary to follow the original rules that she was more than happy to accept when she was the front-runner.
The Rules are the rules:
You can't change the rules in the middle of the SuperBowl game because your team is loosing.
Hillary just needs to focus on each state and not JUST THE BIG STATES!! as she has been doing Focus on the People and the numbers will fall into place its a bit too late for that now...
Obama is in the lead and should win the superdelegates is the Primary continues
why do I bother to respond to this your rather self serving question?
if Michigan and Florida don't get a revote- it leaves McCain in the white house in 2008, Hillary in whitehouse 2012 and Obama in the doghouse with Reverend Wright his mentor
Neither FL or Michigan holding revotes would put Hillary on the losing side one more time. It's looking as though everything she feels is just and right of which she faces opposition, she looses. Americans should hold these truths to be self evident. It's obvious she sides with the position that benefits her the most and the heck with what the pre establish rules and regulations are. She is showing a trait of going along with the pack until she feels that a turn in position will most benefit her. We've seen this before in her position on the Iraq war and she's darn good a playing the race card.
HIGH AND DRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It probably means she goes to the convention, behind in delegates, trying to get the Super Delegates to vote for her.
Welcome to the Democratic party in 2008.
By the way, isn't she a Super Delegate herself?
It leaves Clinton where she is behind in the delegates and popular vote and Florida and Michigan where they deserve to be: In the penalty box for breaking the rules.
Jack Hillary needs to realize that it's over. It is impossible for her to win this race without revotes. The longer she stays the longer Johnny Mac & friends have to prepare. She should prepare her resination speech tonight.
It leaves Hillary in a position to question the DNC and Barack Obama. He voluntarily took his name off the ballot. His campaign asked Michigan voters to vote "no contest" or something (similar to the way he votes in elected office) and he even found a loop hole and campaigned in FL using the Pro-Obama networks with whom Mr. Cafferty you work for. He lost them both. Howard Dean is the one tearing the Dems apart. I do have a question though that you should pose to your viewers...if Barack and his campaign feel it would do no good for Clinton to get the re-vote, then why not agree to let the vote stand as is? I mean, if it makes no difference, why would it matter?
It may actually help her – she has big victories by numbers (which she'd probably get anyway), clear reasons for loud accusation that Obama blocked the revote and disenfranchised voters because he afraid to loose and all those stories about Obama himself, his pastor, wife and aides which without doubt will continue to appear. Good moral case to superdelgates: if Obama plays by the letter of the rules, than superdelgates can make their choice without looking on who leads in superdelgate count. Popular vote from FL and MI still will be used in unofficial popular vote calculations and and with expected hight turnout in the next contexts (particularly, Puerto Rico) HRC will have good chances to surpass Obama at least by this count.
She will stay in the race because we all know she will not bow down. I am confident she will win the majority of the Superdelegates. If Obama does win the nomination I will be voting for John McCain.
I'm a life long Democrat and I voted in our primary, but if my vote is not allowed or there won't be a revote, then I will NOT vote in November,
and most of my friends and neighbors feel the same way.
We didn't create the problem, all we did is vote and we expect our votes to count.
It keeps her where she belongs: second place. That's something her and her supporters are used to.
PS. Keep bringing on the Hillary bashing questions; I love them!!!!
Floating down the "Whitwater" or the Snake river or no return in a raft with Bill using oars to move the raft and pulling a series of small rafts with Chelsea in one and all of their friends in the others. Of course they'll be empty rafts. They would be going off course with Hillary's directions. I hope this happens to renew my faith that what goes around comes around.
Out in the cold, I hope. We've already had 8 years of a president not following the rules – why should we want another?
Emily – Brunswick, ME
If neither Florida nor Michigan holds revotes, where does that leave Hillary Clinton? It will leave her in the dust generated by Sen. Barack Obama's political momentum as he speeds off on his way to the White House where he will inject Change into the status quo and the body politic of the United States of America.
Where she should be-exit stage left.
...one step closer to being forced to resort to throwing an actual kitchen sink...
Not so fast Cafferty, Hillary is still fighting to win one more big State: the delusional State.
Hopefully drafting her concession speech.
I think it is high time we let Obama and Mccain go at it! We need some serious issues ironed out, fast.
It leaves her stuck in where she already was, on the losing side of the battle for the Democratic nomination. She needs to accept that she is not going to be the nominee in 2008. She should return to the Senate now before she ruins the Democatic party and their majority in both houses of congress. And does she really think that Obama won't win the big states like California..come on Hillary, where is that genius that you are known for?
I doubt there will be a recount; however, I am certain the delegates from Florida and Michigan will be seated at the convention. A decision by the elected delegates and super delegates may decide how best to handle the situation. Everyone could end up going home mad about something.
It is un-American to claim victory in an election where the contestants were not allowed to campaign, ask citizens for their votes and spread their message.
The two million people in Michigan and Florida who rightfully assumed it was a waste of time to go to the polls to cast a worthless vote are the ones who are being dienfranchised under the Clinton point of view.
Where does it leave Clinton? Up the creek without a paddle. She says that she left her name on the ballot in Michigan because the voters deserved to be heard. While I don't disagree with the right to be heard, I do disagree with trying to circumvent the system by making an end-run. She knew they violated the rules, she knew the votes wouldn't count, she agreed that the votes wouldn't count, and if she was the frontrunner, this wouldn't be an issue. But she's not, and it is. Funny, that. Notice how no other past candidate is supporting her claim? Not one? They agree that the delegates should be seated, but not that she either won those states, or that the delegates won should count. Notice she's been harping on the fact that she won those states? Notice the air-sucking "OMG, there she goes" from the general populace when she does?
It doesn't matter if Obama has more delegates than Clinton. It isn't about who has the most delegates, AND IT NEVER HAS BEEN. It's about having enough delegates to claim the nomination, and neither candidate has enough delegates. It's going to be up to the superdelegates, just as it has always been. And if I were a superdelegate right now, I'd be thinking about this: refusing to stand up for 2.5 million potential voters because of "potentially messy voting results" is not the way to get elected, Obama.
Jack, sadly this probably leaves us with a nominee that has lied to the American Public in the span of four days ( Obama ). The Republican Party will have a field day with the clips of Rev. Wright and the story telling that took place on Tuesday. The canidate we are left with was trying so salvage a Political Career. Remember President Clinton and the uproar over " I never had sexual relations with that women." and Larry Craig " I am Not Gay and I have never been Gay." The Dems did this to themselves and for those who are Republication, you have gotten your wish. At least four more years of McBush!!!
At the very least she is no less powerful than she is now. If the voters of FL and MI are snubbed, advantage Clinton. How can a party rule threaten not to count what was a record turnout. If this isn't worked out fairly and 50/50 isn't fairly I can't see the Democrats winning in November with FL and MI having been bullied by the party.
You are most likly a Hrper supporter with a red neck. Don't stick your nose in the US politics and make like you know what your talking about. Your as dumb as a fence post and the yanks don't need us mudding up the water They already have that done by Hillary
Without a revote, Clinton is left close, but not ahead, of Obama in both the delegate count and the popular vote. What is Obama's logic? If he really believes that holding a revote wouldn't make a difference, then why not support it. If a revote doesn't happen in Florida and Michigan, they're going to feel disenfranchised, they're going to be mad as heck, and the two states will be handed over to John McCain on a silver platter in November.
I think you are ASKING THE WRONG QUESTIONS – Why don't you ask – Why is Obama keeping the people of Fl and MI from having a voice in this election?
I have heard a lot of talking from him – how different he is – but I want to see it now – He is unlikely to win Fl or MI – but overall he will still be ahead – so is he willing to do the right thing?
The people of Fl & Mi – did nothing to create this problem – their politicial leaders did it to them –
REDO MICHIGAN – since not all names were on the ballet and LET THE FLORDIA VOTE STAND – No one campaigned there so it is a fair vote -
when all is said and done hillary will be in a good position,the bigger question is if obama can't win any of the big states in the primary , how can he expect to win in the general election?
As the senator from New York and one of Bill's ladies.
Black Americans don't let Hillary get away with this. Obama has been thrown down and dragged through the streets for his pastor's remarks, yet we let Hillary get away with brushing away her husbands remarks about Obama in reference to Jesse Jackson. She has been married to him for over 35 years and yet she doesn't think like him, to quote Jack Cafferty, "give me a break." They are users and used black Americans to win white house before. They are trying this tactic again because it worked before. Have you noticed the stategy. They put Ferrara out there to belittle Obama because they had the information on his pastor. Gerry was the guinea pig. They couldn't put it out there before or else they would be seen as being racist and divisive by Democrats. This is certainly kitchen sink strategy. Black Americans don't be used and don't be fooled. Can we find out where the tapes and video came from?
The better question would be where would it would leave the democratic party if michigan and florida votes are not counted. But as usual another question so you and Obama fans can trash Hillary.
It's amazing to me that the media is not jumping more on the fact that she SIGNED the pledge. But, that was when she thought she would come out the nominee after Super Tuesday. Now that she is not ahead, she wants to change the rules and act like she cares about the voters in those states. She cares about HERSELF and winning at any cost. Obama cares about the voters in both of those states as well as the other 48 states, BUT he had the integrity to play by the rules and then stick by them. He took a bigger risk than she did in signing the pledge because he was behind. WHY ISN'T THIS A BIGGER STORY ON THE NEWS THAT SHE SIGNED THE PLEDGE AND IS NOW CHANGING HER MIND? Even Sean Hannity reported that and showed the paper. Obama is not perfect, but he is honest and has had to deal with A LOT more than she has from the media-most of it dished out by Clintons because it is self over party for her. He has demonstrated the qualities of integrity and leadership even in the midst of controversy. THAT is who I want for president..FINALLY.
Jack, is there anyone in the country who believes that Hillary would be fighting for Florida and Michigan if she were ahead and the situation wer reversed. GIVE ME A BREAK!
Without this last chance to rework the rules yet again, she'll head back to Arkansas, Lord-wuilling and the creek don't rise. America is ready for a woman leader, just not Hillary Clinton. Her feminist supporters believe they are owed the White House this trip, but their loud, strident words thankfully have warned most of the voters away.
Hoping that Obama asks her to be Vice President.
If not Fla or Michigan revotes, re-dos, do-overs (aka ovaries) where does that leave Hillary? Just where she is now, on the outside looking in, with her only remaining tactic being to steal the primary through the superdelegates, thereby proving once and for all that she puts herself above her party and the country.
If Obama wins the nomination, and I have nothing against him, but the Democrats will lose the election in November, but then again, that's what YOU really want. Obama can never carry the big states and he's the one holding up the redo votes.
I've watched you for years, NOT ANYMORE.
In the race Jack – as neither Obama or Clinton can win on pledged delegates.....
Is it Senator Clinton you have a problem with, or is it a woman president that has your knickers in a knot?
Personally I believe it should be a revote in Florida and Michigan It is not fair that the voters in Florida and Michigan will be denied the right to be represented at the Democratic Convention. Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton should both agree on a revote. Both will show their eagernes not to have a repeat of 2000 unaccounted votes. Let's keep the so call "democracy" at work. And by the way, some of the reporters at CNN show favoritism to Mr. Obama. Why CNN does not give equal time to Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Obama, Mr. Mc Cain -and do not forget Mr. Paul. Mr. Paul should be on the news as much as the other people running for President. (Even Mr. Nader). Get Democracy rolliing!
You’re falling into the trap. Clinton supporters didn’t want a revote. A revote would have been too close. They need to net all 30 of those delegates from that fake election they had in Florida. Something tells me when we get to that convention, Mrs. Clinton will have plenty of nice cigars to pass around to all the super delegates that know what’s good for us common folk. The delegates will be seated. The voters will be undermined.
I am concerned that without the revotes, Senator Clinton may have a mental breakdown. I am actually worried that she may physically attack Senator Obama in one of her debates. Her many moodswings has become peculiar and is worrysome.
As a final year Business student in Pennsylvania, I was initially inspired by the hope, positivity and opportunity for change that Senator Obama offered the American people. Recently however I have become very disillusioned with the negativity that’s being played out with the Democratic campaign and have become extremely turned off by Senator Clinton’s maniac personality and questionable tactics. My parents who are Clinton supporters are also disturbed at how negative the competition has become.
It would appear that Senator Clinton has become a republican and is determined to destroy the party on her way to the nomination. Hillary needs to be reminded that Senator Obama and herself are democrats and that she is crossing the line with her shocking behavior. Enough of playing the race card, Senator Clinton- conduct a fair and dignified competition and leave the knives for the republicans should you win the nomination.
Florida and Michigan out of the picture leaves her exactly where she has been standing for the last few months, on the loosing side of the nomination. It would just make things more official.
San Diego, CA
How come CNN is not talking about Obama being endorsed by THE NEW BLACK PANTHER PARTY? This party is racist and it is on Obama's website.
On the road, triumphantly, to the White House as a wounded healer
Out in the Cold, I hope. Rules are rules and Florida and Michigan should have stuck to them. The Clinton's are attempting once again to move the goal-post under the pretext of saving the disenfranchised voter, I think their trying to hijack this election. If the DNC had a backbone they would have put a stop to this nonense a long time ago.
it leaves her wondering ,why she agreed that it was right and truly american, to punish these states for trying to gain influence in the process,by breaking the rules.why anybody's name was left on the ballot,for a vote,that doesn't count ,is beyond me.why did these states even waste all the money and time,to hold a vote,they knew full well,would not be allowed.i agree with howard dean,"rules are rules,and breaking them is unfair to the states and voters who followed the rules."sorry fla. and mich.- get it together before the next election!
Jack, CNN, MSNBC and Oprah have essentially elected McCain, just like Nader elected Bush in 2000.
It leaves her fighting for how those delegates get seated and waiting for the media to pull the rug out from under Obama.
Jack, what I will really like to know is, why is this two states whose representatives decided to go against the DNC rules are not being held accountable? Knowing fully well the consequences of breaking the DNC rules thereby desfranchising millions of voters and then turn back and blame the DNC and the Obama campaign for not doing enough to support a re-do is just silly.
And a big SHAME on Hilary Clinton for making last minutes gasp to grab the same delegates she deemed unccountable some few weeks ago.
In the Clinton Library dividing up the $500,000,000.00 to re-gift back those who gave ( for political favors) to her "shoe in" presidency.
Politics as usual... Not so fast Hillary...We have had enough of that !
I have a question for you Jack. Shouldn't ALL the candidates be put on the ballot and be given the opportunity to campaign in those states? What if Edwards had campaigned in either of those states the first time around and actually won? Would he have remained in the race? How can a true do-over ever be achieved? Unless I missed something in physics class, you cannot go back in time. Sorry, I guess that was several questions.
Not where is Clinton, where is the democratic party, she is correct about this, if they don't move on it looks like Obama is the hold up and
like that 1.5 million americans don't count. Let us be honest senator Clinton call for a solution months ago let us not now TV guy try to put this on her
And as usual I read Obama legal tacks, Florida new plan of seating and distribution sound good too from the senator do we really want to solve this?
I live in Grand Falls-Windsor, Newfoundland Canada. I love watching your show. Would love to meet you some day.
You and Wolf make a great team. Keep up the good works.
To answer your question – I feel like some of your listeners when it comes to Hilliary. She should retire, divorce Bill and write a book.
GO GO OBAMA. LOVE YOU. YOU ARE THE BEST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN TO AMERICA AT THIS TIME IN HISTORY. AMERICANS – WAKE UP AND REALIZE THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING SPECIAL HERE IN OBAMA. HE IS SO REFRESHING WE CAN FEEL IT ALL THE WAY UP THE EASTERN SEABOARD. DO NOT LET IT SLIP AWAY AND BECOME SOMETING YOU WILL ALL REGRET FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIVES.
AS FAR AS MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA ARE CONCERNED – TO BAD – YOU SCREWED UP – DEAL WITH IT AND MOVE ON.
Jack – Love you, take care and God Bless.
Well, without any revotes it seems she is out and should get out. Even if she did good with the remaining states she would still be behind and need to snatch the remaining superdelegates at about a ratio of 3:1. Listen Jack, we are going to be stuck with four more years of pro-bush policy leaders if we she doesn't get out now and soon. All she will do is beat up the eventual nominee (Obama) in key states which will make for a more difficult fall for Democrats. Hillary, its time to graciously end this. You gave it a good run but the only people who will benefit from this prolonged battle is going to be the media who have been enjoying every minute of this 36 month election.
Do people not realize that Sen Clinton agreed and signed the agreement that FL and MI votes would not count? Why all of a suddenly is she pretending to even care about the voters?
And her supporters! Have you ever seen a vicious bunch of whinning, sulking and very bitter humans?
Without revotes, it leaves her right where she was on Big Tuesday, OUT.
Without Michigan and Flordia re-votes Hillary will be where she should be, out of business! However she'll blame everybody else for her losses. As far as she's conceened she's the 2nd coming of Christ!
She'll still be the arrogant little Senator from New York that has lost the nomination and her credibility for any future runs. Lets see, in 12 years she'll be 72 and older then McCain is now. Not much of a future there, I guess.
Hillary will be left as the nominee of the Democratic Party, pure and simple. I never thought that the 2000 General Election would replay in this year's primaries. Hillary should have stepped down a long time ago and her recent antics (releasing Rev. Wright's comments, Obama's picture with him wearing the turban, complaining about unfair treatment from the media and making an appeal for a woman president in Cleveland) are classless, dirty and will divide the party. She has managed to destroy any chance of the Democrats taking the White House so she can win the nomination and has cost the Democratic party the African American vote as I cannot see them supporting Hillary in the general election (I know I will vote for Mc Cain if she wins the nomination as many other African Americans out of anger)
It leaves Hillary as the potential Senate Majority leader and a clueless Obama or an old,worn-out McCain in a no-win position as President. It actually is much better for all of us and the country that she stays in the Senate as a powerful leader instead of being a much weakened President.
Under a house with her legs sticking out in striped socks, a rainbow and munchkins singing, "Ding Dong......" (You can finish the song, Jack)
In the same place she'd be if they held them. It's pretty much a lock that she would win in a Florida revote, but you have to consider the massive AA population in Michigan, specifically Detroit and Flint, that would very probably hand Obama a win there. It's not likely that she would gain enough delegates in those revotes to do any significant damage to Obama's lead.
Well, where it leaves her is 169 elected delegates behind with only 516 more available. In order to tie Obama, she'd have to win 427 of the remaining 516 delgates or 83%.
Since Obama is leading in 6 of the 10 states left, the chances of her achieving 427 more delegates is non-existant.
Jack, the fat lady's already sang and left the building-someone should tell Hillary the dance ended in Wisconsin.
Time for the super delegates to wade in and stop this charade.
I don't see much more than a wash if she wins her battle to rewrite history on Michigan's so-called "primary". The number of delegates required for each will go up...she will still be behind and I don't see her overall percentage being affected one way or the other. She just want another "win" in her column to help strong arm the super delegates.
Without Barrack even having his name on the ballot there were 40% who voted uncommitted. Given a chance to campaign, I would think that percentage would grow. I don't suspect Hillary's will grow unless the Republicans still back her. Who knows, they may back Obama this time along with those who supported him all the way thru. What would she do then?
Now I wonder what all those schedules will reveal on all that "experience".
Obama can't win the delegates, his goose his cooked!! He is a liar and racist. Keep pushing Jack, I guess you all at CNN really want McCain to win!!
Obama will never make it to the Whitehouse....maybe as a visitor...if he could even get in that way. Obama and his wife are anti-America!!!
Maybe Obama could go on vacation with his Pastor that can't be found!!!
She is left with her Job as a senator.
Jack, thanks for making all America think. It's obvious the process works
better for some of us than others. Hillary has momentum on her side
and may surprise even you in PA. Obama seems to be black when it
suits him or white or mixed when that works better. I agree with Vicky.
First he said he didn't hear the comments and today he says he did.
Folks, we don't need to feed HATE ANYMORE!!
We need to get outa this war in Iraq or ASK THEM TO PAY FOR OUR HELP! The little Iraqi children are beautiful and deserve a better life,
but five years has been more than we can afford. I am voting for
Hillary to save this country from economic demise!! Do we want to
be the next Russia? White,65,and downsized out of my job,PA
With a legacy to choose: graceful exit or indelibly polarizing.
Clinton is assuming that she will win both states, but that conclusion is far from obvious: Obama is charismatic in a way Clinton could never hope to be. She probably has a better chance in Florida than Michigan. To gamble on a final comeback, and enough of a final comeback to close a possible 200 delegate lead, is scarcely realistic.
On another level, what her antics reveal is how Clinton would behave as President: she would fail to take her losses and move on to the next issue; and, instead, turn something she cannot win into a personalised drama. That is very unappealing.
If Obama just stays above the fray,and keeps Hillary off balance it's back to New York for her and Bill! It's as simple as that Jack. P.S. Throw all the bums out, crooks, b's' artist ,etc......
Barack, is it you, who is asking the questions here?
But Jack....The Clinton's have always changed the rules to suit themselves.
Of course Hillary would want to seat the delegates...she was the only one on the ballot in Michigan and Senator Obama did not campaign in Florida. How fair are her votes???? Once again, what won't Hillary Clinton do to win this nomination. If the democratic party suffers in November it certainly is due to Hillary's ambitions to live in the White House yet again.
If Michigan and Florida do not revote, it leaves Hillary with no time to draw the nomination process out. I don't think a revote would have helped her delegate count anyway. It was just an attempt at buying time to attack Obama more, in her hopes of making him appear unelectable to the superdelegates. Unfortunately her blindly swinging & fighting will not only destroy Obama's chance at the White House in 2008. It also destroys any chance she would have had to maintain the high ground and grab the White House in 2012 or (it a beautiful democratic dream in 2016 after 8 years of Obama). But that would be a nightmare now, because the young voters of today will remember her campaign's monstrosities.
I'm sorry that some of the voters feel disenfranchised, but you can't hold the DNC responsible for enforcing rules that were created and bought into by both states election officials.
Hillary doth protest too much. She should have been complaining and whinning before the first caucas and primary. These delegates should be seated......but Sen. Clinton cannot use them as chess pieces just to ensure that she can selfishly bully her way into a nomination. I hope that they are seated 50/50 for each state. If that were the case SHE would object!! Short of walking her to the platform for the acceptance speech neither she , her old political machine, nor OLD Washington Cronnies will be satisfied. Hope we don't choke on what is being crammed down our throats.\!!!
It leaves her exactly where she would have been in any case- behind Barack Obama. Maybe she could still scrounge a spot in his cabinet, if she's lucky.
Dan from MA
She can apply to be McCain's VP, since she admires his experience so much.
this is just another way to divide the party. so if there's a re-vote are a bunch of republicans gonna come out for hillary again??? ones that already voted for someone else. both canidates knew what they were getting into.... they both knew it wasn't gonna count!!! but yet the clinton camp is whinning what about all those delagates (oops) voters???? where was all this sympathy from hillary, for the voters ,in fla and mich before????i understand now why it can't be done. blame your state not your candidate. i also see...no matter what, obama is the bad guy. this leaves hillary.......probably her and bill are putting together legal papers to sue in the end and it will be tied up forever. if hillary can't win...no one can. sorry.....mccain can
If there is no revote in FL and MI, that will leave Hillary Hi and dry, but I guessing this game is not over yet, Bill & Hillary will figure out a way to steal the nomination and loose the White House to McCain. There divisive and racial overtones of the primary season will surely send the Independent voters such as myself to vote for McCain.
The DNC told these states that their delegates wouldn't count if they moved up their primaries; the voters knew that and cast their votes anyway. Clinton and Obama signed off on this, but now that Clinton is behind in delegates, she wants to change the rules. It's no different than when you punish children; if you tell them not to stay out past 10 or they are grounded for 2 weeks from using the car and they come waltzing in at 11, you don't then turn around and hand them the keys the next night.
The Democrats would be challenged to organize a one car funeral procession. Here's what they should do. Have a revote in both states with the two remaining candidates and the DNC splitting the cost three ways. However, they DNC should make it crystal clear that, due to the uniqueness of this situation, this is a one-time do-over that will not be allowed again. In the future, any state that violates DNC policy in this regard will lose it delegates. Period. By holding and paying for this revote, the Democrats will reap very positive publicity and turn a damning situation into a praising one.
In the Senate.
...looking for that misplaced paddle.
Here is the real issue. HRC advisors voted for the rules because her candidacy was a lock. Remember it was supposed to be over by SuperTuesday. This is a lack of judgement and what does it teach kids about rules.
If HRC was ahead in delegates would she be doing the same thing? No! Wait to folks had time to read her papers and realize their is an 8 year gap in experience called being the First Lady.
Folks we should not comment on snippets run by the media. View the entirety to understand context. Lets stop being dumbed down and being to think like Americans.
It will leave her the same place Bill left her when he was "busy" in the Oval Office hopefully.
She leaves me COLD!
The push and pressure for revote in Florida and Michigan by Senator Clinton is yet another clear indication that the presidential interest of the Senator is primary to any other rule – absolute selfishness and dishonesty! Senator Clinton was not only aware of the decision of the National Party but she also accepted to play by the rule. Hence, she cannot be allowed to change the rule in the middle of game. NO MADAME!!!
The exit pole for Texas and Ohio showed that the reason Hillary Clinton won those states was because the Republicans voted for her to divide the Democrats. It actually proved that without their votes she would have lost those states and the game would have been over. She will have no chance of getting anywhere without tricks and dishonestly even if it comes from the Republicans. What amazes me is that the Super Delegates are actually allowing these things to go on. It is time for them to endorse Obama and end all these ugliness.
Want you to know that I really enjoyed watching you while you had Q's and A's on conditions in the US. Now , you are concentrating on personalities...and, that's okay , as long as you are FAIR with your questions, and the time you allot to each personality.
Hopefully, you will soon give Barack the same scrutiny that you have been showering on HILLARY. It's clear to me, and I"m sure to many others that you favour BARACK ... and greatly dislike HILLARY. Hey, start being fair ... and, don't allow your questions about HILLARY to ooze with "hate".You can come across "tough" without hateful expressions.
Nowhere and she needs to drop out of the race and stop bringing down the democratic party.
In January of this year, if someone had asked me if I would have voted for anyone other than Hillary Clinton, the answered would have been no.
I have been so discouraged by her self-righteousness, that I could not vote for her if someone held my hand!
It leaves her unable to change to rules she agreed to in the first place, eventhough she not only threw her "kitchen sink" she even threw Rev. Wright's own as well.
Jack it only means Billary will be greasing more palms and calling in more favors.She will be the nominee by hook or crook. She still contends she won both Florida and Michigan, and she says it with a straight face. The Clinton's have no shame, nor remorse for any of their failings. Wait and see she will be nominated. Brian, Ohio
It leaves Hillary the winner in both Michigan and Florida. The both had legal elections and she was the winner. Neither she nor Obama campaigned there, and she won. I can't understand why this is an issue. Hillary won!
Jan from OH
If the shoe was on the other foot would would Hillary be so concerned about seating the delegates. NO! She knew what the rules where when Michigan & Florida up their primaries. So Hillary, stop your whinning and get over yourself. Let your Yay be Yay and your Nay be Nay. You can't change the rules to benefit your situation. For the people of these two states don't look at anybody to point the blame but the person(s) who represented you in this situation.
As we speak the Clinton are looking deep into their bag of tricks
to steal this nomination and hand it to the # 1 Senior Citizen
Americans, if your better off now than 8 years ago then vote for
the Republican, or if not, Vote Democratic. But not the one in
the Pants Suit.
When Illinois revotes, we vote early and vote often.
It's simple: With more superdelegates, who will decide this election!!!! Go Hillary!!!!!!
As the only viable candidate with the democratic nomination!
Obama is now the candidate that you vote for if you HATE America!
This isn't solving any real problems that need our full attention.
No way Obama is a viable mainstream candidate, all he and his camp are doing right now is stirring up a lot of HATE-we don't need!
Exit Stage Left.....the sooner the better!
With or without Florida and Michigan NEITHER candidate will secure the 2024 delegates needed to win the nomination. End of story.
Now, the DNC might think it a wise move to disenfranchise millions of voters, but with such an important election coming up, I for one would like to see them do everything in their power to please these voters as I'm sure we'll need them come November.
Counting or not counting these two states does not however change the fact that in the end the Super delegates will be the deciding vote and that's fine. That is the way this system is set up. Super delegates can and should vote for whomever they feel can win in the general election. That is their job.
Their job is NOT to make their choice based on who MIGHT win IF the someone would have received enough votes.
Imagine a Super Bowl where one team was up 21 to 20 (about 5%) after the third quarter and the game was called because of some unforeseen emergency. Would you say that the team with the third quarter lead should win the game? I think not, but that's just my opinion.
Brian from Trinidad makes the most sense for a very divided country, racial lines. Obama supporters cannot come to grips that Repullicans will never allow him to win with a less tha 20% demographics. In my view America is not ready for a Black President, but the media is scared to say it.
She can carry on for the nomination, attempt to convince the super delegates that she is more electable and if she succeeds after getting less of the popular vote, less of electoral vote, and less states. She will damage what little advancement we have made in this country along, racial, social, and economic lines.
She is clinging to the hope that the Democratic Party will be willing to tell America that your vote doesn’t count, disenfranchising those Americans Senator Obama so eloquently told us yesterday need to feel more a part of this country.
The difference between Obama and Clinton is striking, she is in it for herself and he is in it for us all.
Dear Mr. Cafferty, it`s rather preposterous seeing senator Clinton seeking applause for not sticking to the party decision. If she want to be president, she does have to start learning to stay with a team and not want things just her way -dictatorship. She may have not won those states in real contest as the millions that stayed home may not have choosen her. To me, it`s much ado about nothing. Can`t cry over spilt milk!
It leaves her with her ace in the hole – claiming a vast, right-wing conspiracy is to blame for her defeat!
If Florida and Michigan don't count it will leave the Republicans in the White House!
How is it unfair to count people's votes? Oh...when they don't vote for Obama I guess.
Hillary won Florida fairly and Michigan should hold another primary and Obama should pay for it since he took his name off the ballot the first time.
If Obama wins because he picked up more delegates in caucuses and small Republican states and Hillary loses the nomination because the DNC refuses to count the votes of millions of people in these two states who voted for her, it will guarantee a fractured party and a McCain White House.
Who the hell cares where this leaves ANY of the candidates Jack?
The system is flawed and corrupt anyway! You want a fair vote? Then do away with causes, primaries, delegates, super delegates,.....let the people vote once in Nov, and who ever gets the most votes wins! The hell with some damn "party" dictating when someone can vote in this country! I hope all the people in Florida and Michigan vote Republican, just to piss off the Democratic "Party"!
If MI & FL dont hold revotes all the democrats in both states should vote republican come NOV.How can the people running the democratic party just say to all the voters in both states your votes dosent count.If it happen in Ohio I would vote republican across the board in NOV.
if she is not nomonee for Democratic party, then I will vote for John McCain.
Florida and Michigan governments created the problem; Hillary is not the "savior". Rather, she is an egotiscal whiner, moaner, and groaner who believes she is entitled to the delegates she "won " without opposition.
The "class act" sent forth for the Democratics is Obama. Try giving him some air time; even though he is not whining like Hillary.
watch the remaining states vote, that will tell the superdelegates where to go. now that we now obama a little better, don't prop him up to much on the speech he's the only one that could give and he had to be pushed in the corner to do it.
Hillary why? Billary is trying to favor herself not the party. She is a fighter I agree but fighting will only hurt u not get u to the presidency. If Hillary gets d nomination then (which Is mathematically impossible) then I would kno this country is never about unity. They might as well call it the bushclinton states of America. N take out the united. How can we b united if we can't give other races chances. Hillary wouldnt even vote for obama. She even said mccain is better n experienced. Wow
wishing she had the success her husband has had.
Who cares, she is old school ! ? One day the people of America will realise that politicians are more trouble than they are worth. Obama has a vision light years ahead of anyone else in politics today, and we cannot see it because we are so constantly caught up in ourselves ! Do what you have always done.......get what you have always got !!!! Barack may in fact be Americas saving grace !
Jack be nimble,
Jack be quick,
If Hillary even gets the nomine
I wont be voteing for that sick chick!!
Where will she be without those votes
Back at HRC Headquaters slapping those FOLKS!!!!!
we love you Jack!!
Bigger question, where is the Democratic Party after disenfranchising the voters in Florida and Michigan? Good luck getting votes in those states come November!
It will leave her exactly where Barack Obama is, not enough delegates for the nomination. I am tired of the bashing of Clinton.
Would anyone concede who is this close to the nomination? Who knows what else will shake loose with Obama? Thank God she's still in the race. HILL YES!
She's left as a possible vice-presidential candidate.
I think that if Senator Clinton does not get a re-do in Michigan and Florida then this situation leaves her right where she is. A few hundred delegates short of overtaking Barack Obama. I think that unless a compromise is reached by both the DNC, the two states and the candidates this convention in denver will be a disaster worse than the 1968 convention in Chicago and this could divide the democratic party for many years to come. Then we would get four more years of Bush policies under McCain which is something that America cannot afford.
Hillary you agreed to this so stick with the rules, this is who she is she breaks the rules because she and Bill have always gotten away with it and people allow it.........
enough is enough
Hillary and McCain one and the SAME
no more CLINTONS
she needs to go build homes in New Orleans or somewhere, and do something for people.............
It will leave her the loser, and I hope for the good of the country and her family. . .a graceful one.
She is in this position because, unlike Senator Obama, she didn't play ball according to the rules agreed upon by all the democratic candidates. She alone campaigned in Florida and claimed she was the winner, though she ran unopposed. The same story repeated itself in Michigan.
Hopefully, the DNC will have learned something from this painful experience and the candidates running in the next presidential election will be ethical enough to abide with whatever conditions are decided.
I believe Senator Clinton is running a huge risk if she continues to push this issue of doing revotes in Florida and Michigan. She, like all the other presidential candidates, signed an agreed to the originial rules placed by the DNC. I believe she thinks she in entitled to this nomination. The reality before Mrs. Clinton is simple. If she continues to push this issue, or do anything else for New Yorker voters to conclude she is spliting the democratic party. I believe she will loose her senate seat when re-election takes place.
She is already teetering with individuals discussing this very issue. I am an Obama supporter, and I believe if Michigan or Florida voters are disenfranchized, then those voters should let their voices be heard at the appropriate time, and when the mayors and public officials are up for re-election in Florida and Michigan, voters should vote against them.
If Hillary does not get her way on the Michigan and Florida re-vote I wonder what Hillary we will see on the nightly news: the crying Hillary, the mean and spiteful Hillary, or could we actually see a NEW Hillary that will bow out with grace and poise? Nah that last part is just a dream.
I am from Florida and I didn't vote because I didn't want to lose time from work to vote when it was a useless vote. I don't blame the DNC I blame Crist, but I also don't believe the DNC should allow a re-vote in either state. They have to stick by their guns or they are a useless entity. I also don't believe that Democrats are going to stay home and not vote in November either. That is like cutting off our noses to spite our face. Dems don't want more of Iraq, they don't more of the past 8 years so why would they leave it to the Republicans to decide the next president. I just don't believe they will.
So, with no re-vote Hillary might as well pack it up, she should pack it up anyway. This is not about her this is about our country but I guess her ego can't let it go.
Rebecca from Miami
First of all both Hilliary and Obama both signed pledges not to recognize the outcome in both Floridan and Michigan. But, now that her candidacy is hanging in the balance, she wants those votes to count. Remember last week she ask Texas to wait past the Mach 29th date to declare delegates. She and Bill are just as bad as Bush. All this is a sign of desperation!
what basis do you have for this statement? The polls and analysis you took in your head?!?!?
I love it when people throw out their opinions and words, and take it as fact, then proceed to convince the rest of the world of their "truths"
people please, if you want to express your opinion, fine, but do not just say things that are not proven or backed by any study and then say it is fact!
TO JERMAINE..YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT OBAMAS HUFFY PASTOR....CHECK OUT HILLARY'S CULT...WILL BLOW YOU AWAY...THE BOOK IS COMING OUT IN MAY..... AND THEN WIPE OFF YOUR OWN DOOR MAT BEFORE STEPPING ON SOMEONE ELSE'S...
In the Senate!
Wishing she had Obama's talent.
Jack, I’m thinking it will leave her somewhere between the Maytag Repairman or Chester Cheetah! Either hoping something in the nomination machine breaks or getting the munchies during March Madness.
I am an outsider just looking and I don't have anything to gain or lose so I am being honestly fair-minded when I say this...Are you kidding me? She will be back in New York or wherever she is from. This is very simple. They made the rules in the first place and they should live by it. I am not an American and I live abroad, everyone including the whole world understand rules…you don't change rules in the middle of a game. Seriously, DNC, you guys are starting to look worse than the so called election in third world country if you cannot control and follow the rules of the game. Americans are constantly criticising the thirld world of their incompetent election and we here are watching and laughing our heads off at the simpleness of the solution to the problem. Enforce the rules..period…enough is enough..you need to move on and plan on how to beat McCain instead of pandering to this woman because of the influence and the friends she has. Remember we the world is watching and the decision you guys make most definitely will effect the way that we view America..We still have not given up on America yet. I am not an Obama or Hillary or McCain supporter, I'm not even an American so don't take shot at me….we the world see the simple solution to this debacle and you should too. FOLLOW THE RULE!!!!!! and by the way why is this woman constantly attacking her fellow democrat (Obama) instead of taking her shot at the republican who she needs to beat if she somehow manages win/cheat/steal this nomination. By the way, I am in one of those third world country who the government constantly steal/cheat their way to the office, watching America election gives me hope that one day we will also have a say in how our officials are elected but the way this woman is going about burning/over other people to get her way makes me question the american coting system. Please we don't want to lose hope yet...don't give us a reason to... By the way this woman is making Obama look like a rock star all over the world. God bless America.
It leaves her in the Senate for at least the next 4-8 years. Really, at this point she's pretty much pulling a Huckabee.
Her only hope is to win via Superdelegate fiat. Unless there is some sort of extremely improbable outcomes in the coming contests she won't get win most pledged delegates, she won't win the popular vote, and she won't win most contests. Without at least one of those she doesn't have much ammunition to convince Superdelegates that they should support her over he.
Just the facts.
If there is no revote in florida and michigan that will leave Hilliary short of 2024 and guess what, Obama will still be short of 2024. But the real losers are the American people who a portion of which will once again be locked out of the very un-democratic election process. And I have just heard on the Situation Room that the democrats in Michigan has approved a plan for re-voting that is acceptable to the National Committee but Obama won't approve it after stating on camera that he would go along with whatever the Democratic National Committee approved.
. . .Jack , 75 percent of voters say that their opinions of Senator Obama
has not changed. I guess that leaves her answering her princess phone in New York.
Well Jack that would leave her in 2nd place now and finishing in 2nd place. She signed the pledge. Now that she needs them she's changing here tune. What else will she change her tune on? If she cared at all about the Dem Party she would drop out and back the person the people of America wants instead of dividing the party. I personally don't trust the woman. Love your show. Keep them honest Jack.
I am from Michigan, and voted even though at the time the DNC had said that they were not going to seat any of my states delegates in the National Convention. I understood the rules, just like most of Michigan and most of the Nation for that matter. After the primary when I heard Clinton say that she 'won' Michigan and Florida and wanted 'her' delegates seated! I was outraged that she had the audacity to claim victory in primaries that all of the candidates in the democratic party were not to run for the nomination in the two states; under the DNC's rules/regulations; the candidates withdrawal from both states ballot; and agreement to not campaign in the states.
Senator Obama and (past)Senator Edwards both removed their names off from the ballot by the Oct. 17 state deadline, almost 3 months after the DNC's ruling.
Sen. Clinton on the other hand, conveniently kept her name on the ballot.
I know Hillary thinks that she is a fighter, but I get the feeling that she is now just shadow boxing.
The fight is over...with or without MI and FL.
As to your question Jack, Hillary would be in the same predicament with there was or wasn’t a revote, behind Senator Obama, and without the nomination.
IT LEAVES HER WITH EXACTLY WHAT SHE AGREED WITH LAST YEAR!!!
This is a primary, not the general election. The DNC is within their right to just appoint a democratic candidate without ever holding a primary. The idea of disenfranchised voters is just a ploy by one of the candidates that is behind. Rules and punishment were agreed to by all parties involved last year. This re-do stinks of a spoiled child that didn't get her way. What's next a time out in the corner for an hour. I hate sore losers!
Jack, without revotes and more swiftboating, Hillary's campaign is in the trash can. With the current numbers, democrats are stuck, with Obama, as their 2008 presidential candidate. Unfortunately, the latest controversy, over Pastor Wrong has really hurt Obama and the race against McCain will be close.
All Hillary needs to do is reach into her and Bill's big bad of political dirty tricks and find another poltical deceit card to throw. Washington as usual is alive and well in the Clinton campaign.
And the message from Vicky about Obama throwing his grandmother under the bus. Vicky, Vicky, Vicky what speech did you listen to yesterday? It certainly wasn't Obama's. This is the year of 2008 not 1960. Wake up and smell the unity.
when is Hillary going to let it go.....first the possible challenge to Texas delegate allocation, then the Florida revote, then the Michigan revote.... she is disappointed that the democratic party establishment won't change the rules to favor her.....as I have said before, the Clintons want to win at any cost, but that is nothing new just look at their entire lives!!!
It leaves her right where she is now, in never, never land.
i strongly believe mrs clinton is a big shame and disgrace to what it is to be american. how can u support the idea that people could break the law and yet be punished. what kind of example are we showing the younger ones that look up to us for direction. you can't eat your cake and have it hilary.
The fact that Howard Dean has created such a fiasco within the Democratic party shows that it was good for all of us that he screamed his way out of running as the Democratic nominee for President. It was Will Rogers who said "I don't belong to an organized party. I'm a Democrat." This current mess shows that things have not really changed.
If the Democratic party does not provide reasonable accomodation for Michigan and Florida, their party will be a laughing stock and loose. Then Howard Dean can squeal again when other Democrats take him out behind the wood shed.
Maybe Hillary should arrange with her pastor to say something
outlandishly unbecoming of a man of God. Then Hillary will get free time on T.V. to speak all day without the media criticizing her. Then maybhe she will be cannonized just as Obama has been. Don't count Hillary out yet.. Pennsylvania is a big state. Gov. Rendell and Mayor Nutter of Philadelphia will see to it that she gets a FAIR shake.
ELLY MT. lAUREL, N.J.
It leaves Hillary where she should be.....short of votes to be the DNC queen. Now tell me, where does the DNC have the authority to dictate to States when they can hold their primaries ??? and, if you don't do as I say, I won't let your votes count! I thought the primaries were funded by taxpayer dollars.
Even without the re -votes she will be the nominee. Even though the media thinks Obama hit a home run with his speech, Americans who have little sympathy for Obama's support of a Anti American racist for 20 years. The Gallup Polls (Clinton 49 Obama42tell us today that Obama is losing support and losing it fast. Obama is now unelectable.
Jack, you and your staff are a bunch of PRICKS! You should take that tornado that hit your studio as a sign from GOD to STFU and be FAIR for once in your coverage!
I believe it leaves her in an alright position. As the piece concerning the Florida delegate situation that is on the Politics page right now shows, the delegates will be seated. As Democrats, we are stupid but we;re not that stupid. I find it amazing that so many blame this situation on Hillary Clinton.
She is speaking truth, no Democrat can win the White House without Michigan or Florida, and winning both more or less guarantees a Democratic victory. Why aren't we attacking Obama for being against the people of Michigan getting their voices heard. Regardless, the Democrats will seat the delegates and the possibility of having no candidate by the time of the convention remains alive and possible.
After the events of the last few days she is sitting pretty good. That's the shame of it all Obama Pastor just gave her the nomination either by popular vote or the super delgates.
It leaves her where she rightly belongs; on the outside looking in.
Clinton will where she is today, not winning and in second place. Come on Hil give it up already and the let the party move forward.
Jack:: Hillary will still be in 2nd. place, I am so weary listening to Hillary whinning and plotting. Thank Heaven ! Barack always lifts me up. How nice it will be to turn on the TV and listen to an intelligent person speak. Barack has got to win this thing. Joan
Dan from MA...maybe she can be his receptionist in the wee hours of the morning
If Hillary were ahead you wouldn't have any of this foolishness. She should give up and go home and bake those cookies that she has been waiting to do for many years......
Enough of her antics, she doesn't know when she is defeated, what would it be if she were President? You think the war has gone on a long time now, what if she were President, she won't give up!!!!!!
Who cares where it leaves Hillary. It leaves the democratic party deeply divided because of the mismanagement of the party leaders. It's not a matter of if the "states" broke the rules. Realistically there is no such thing as the "states" – In the end the everyday voter is the one who is left out.
OUT OF LUCK!
I am so looking forward to Hillary winning. It will be great and I hope that Bill helps her put this country back on course. What a unique situation we will be in. The Clintons have gone through the cycle of goals in life and are much more mature in terms of passing by all the temptations that are put in front of first timers! What a blessing that they are here at this very difficult time in American History.
Go Hillary, Go Bill, Go Chelsea you are decent and fine people who without one doubt, have dedicated your lives to the love of your country, God Bless you Clintons and God Bless America
If neither Florida nor Michigan holds re votes, where does that leave Hillary Clinton?
There's still a number of states that haven't voted yet. Too bad she doesn't work within the rules and guidelines the democrats had in place when she agreed to working with those rules and put her signature on that agreement.
But I suspect she'll try and strong arm the democrats and bring in lawyers or the union lobbyists that represent her. Oh wait, she already is...
So she breaks her contract with the democrats about Florida and Michigan, now she wants to strong arm them too?
What's next, using the republicans to do her dirty work? Oh wait, they are already doing that just read the stories on Governor Charlie Crist from Florida. Hillary and Charlie seem to be in lockstep.
Hey Jack, it seems like the Obama camp is now the one saying people don't count, isn't this an issue of democracy, sure she wants the votes, but wasn't the right to vote and be heard a right this country has fought to protect. Seems like if we are going to go chanting the need for "Change" having citizens ranked by the DNC as to who matters and should be heard from first seems to me a good place to start.
Jack, it is clear where taking
Florida and Michigan off the table will leave Hillary: With plenty of time to prepare those pesky income tax returns.
Face it, Hillary. The fat lady has been singing for quite a while now!
Who cares?! This should not be a discussion about where is Hillary- this should be about what is right for the democratic party. Not seating the delegates is the right and fair thing to do because everybody (yes, even Hillary) knew the rules going into this. Sometimes referees (the DNC in this case) make a bad call, but that doesn't mean they should make another bad call to somehow make it up to the other side.
I don't know what they will end up doing but if they even think about counting the votes the way they were voted in January, it would be more unfair to the voters than not counting them at all. If I was told that my vote was not going to count, I wouldn't go vote, so if they count those votes the people that didn't vote for that reason would be disanfranchised as well!!! They better think this thing through!! I wonder of Hillary has thought about those voters? Probably not....she doesn't think about anybody unless she can use them for own personal gain. Have you noticed she has never thanked voters in states where she lost, she just acts like it never happened. Or she'll say something really sweet like " I don't think states like Idaho are really going to matter in the November election."
Gone Fishing Jack.
Why do you keep asking question about Hillary Clinton, the question you should be asking is: What are all the Obamma supporters going to be saying when and if he wins the primary, than loses to John McCain in the general election? Enough of this Hillary bashing, grow up.
If there is no revote, Billary is done!!! She is using patriotic words to try to win votes FOR HER, not for the party.
Have you ever seen a chicken without feathers? Well, now you have.
Hillary is like all those in favor of amnesty ... Laws and rules don't matter if you don't like them.
Hillary and Bill will have to do more arm twisting and crying and then spin their justification for stealing the nomination
Where it leaves both Senators Clinton and Obama is hoping that the DNC will do what is right and seat Michigan's delegates from our original (if flawed) primary. If the Democratic party doesn't want to count my primary vote, they certainly won't be able to count my general election vote.
We don't want a revote. It will be costly and probably equally flawed. I want our delegates to be heard from, especially the ones representing "none of the above". If the Democratic party can't get their act together, maybe it's time for a new Democratic party to be started.
And to all you people from other states whining about Michigan and Florida not following "the rules" ... use your brains. The rules were meant to cater to Iowa and Vermont and Michigan and Floriday were right to challenge such a blatantly unfair arrangement. The primary system in this country is broken, and you want to disenfranchise states that want to try and fix it?
And you republicans out there are just as bad. Taking away half our delegates? That's even worse. Sending mixed messages in order to cave in to both sides.
I'm really beginning to believe that the two major parties are much more a cause of America's problems than a solution to anything.
Who cares? I am so sick of the Bush/Clinton dynasty, it literally makes me sick. I cannot be the only person, tired of the same people in the White House. And then some continue to wonder why nothing has changed. I say, blame yourselves for voting these folks into the White House – over and over again. Let's move on and forward.
It leaves her frustrated and it leaves us with a hate monger as a candidate and a John McCain as the next president.
If there are no revotes in these states this leaves Sen Clinton without argument that she won the big states and that she has as many, if not more delegats than Sen Obama. It may seem as though people are being hard on Sen Clinton, but she is bringing this on herself. Early in the campaign, no one, including Clinton, thought that the delegate votes from these states would matter. Now she is going around the country shouting everyone's vote should count. Today, she bashed Sen Obama for not making a big deal out of this, when he said that he would abide by the decision. No, that is not enough for her... she wants him to go say it out loud, protest it!. The man is fighting for his identity. She said this today, the day after this man made a speech in which, his words should have touched everyone in the world, and he let them know that he does care. She is the one who made a big deal out of this. Hardly anyone knew about the Florida and Michigan situation until Clinton talked about it in a SPEECH. She should be left in her same spot.
Hillary wants it either the good way or bad way. We can expect a bitter lawsuit that will drag the eventual nominee through mud before it's all settled. She's in it to win, remember?
They broke the rules and if those Democrats in those States don't understand that, they need to take it up with the people who moved their primaries up.
Also, for a Democrat in Florida to say they will not vote in the General Election for the Democratic Nominee because their votes didn't count is silly. They need to wise up and realize that the GOP legislature knew this would cause problems and guarantee the state to be delivered to the GOP candidate.
WAKE UP FOLKS DON'T FALL PREY TO POLITICS AS USUAL!!! JEEZ!!!
She'll leave you miserable because she will no longer be the topic that drives you program. You bias old man. I have no more respect for you than I have for FOX NEWS.
Lets say Florida and Michigan both have new elections. What would stop other states from moving up there elections to any date they felt like. The DNC would be rewarding both states by letting them influence the election at a critical point in the race. Hey, wait a minute... Isn't that what Florida and Michigan were attempting to do in the first place. The DNC will not seat the Florida and Michigan delegates for this reason and many other valid reasons no matter how much crying she does. In the end she will most definitely have some other dirty trick up her sleave. I can't wait.....
Where she needs to be, Jack, in the boondocks! How many times does she have to move the goalposts to win the game. However, the Clintons are known for their devious tenacity and ruthlessness and heaven only knows what rat she's going to pull out of the sack next! Maybe another Geraldine Ferraro??
This will leave her exactly where she should be...... FIGHTING mad. I want the White House! I want the White House! I want the White House!
And after stomping around saying She wants the White House, she will turn to Penn and co. and say "FIX IT! Start calling in favors! I will get back there if that is the last thing YOU do!"
We are in for a long race. On the bright side, Obama is already acting like the nominee and letting America know what he will do for the country. I like his SPEECHES with lots of WORDS which Clinton have not read or heard. His speech today on the Iraq war and his foreign policy was terrific! Hopes he gets the job.
What is wrong with this old man??? Why are you so Anti Hillary??? The main news in the last week has been Obama lying to the American people about his 20 years relationship with Rev Wright but in that period none of your stupid questions reflect that. You are pathetic!!!
Not in the White House
If Florida and Michigan primaries don't count, Hillary will definitely lose the pledged delegate race. Hillary's only arguments to get the majority of superdelegate support will be "electability" and "having won more big state primaries".
Hillary will not be on an Obama ticket, just as Nancy Pelosi stated, so the VP option is off the table.
this thing was over during the obama 12-0 run
insurmountable is an easy word to understand
except for wolf blitzer (aka nigel pinkworthy)
poor wolf is so desperate for people to keep watching–it shows–
please whack him upside the head on behalf of us intelligent viewers
thanks jack-you rock
If it was so "wrong, and frankly Un-American" as Ms. Clinton says it is, then why did she agree to those rules that were set in place nearly a year ago when the DNC first stripped Michigan and Florida of their delegates??!?? She agreed to those rules. She agreed not to campaign in those states. She, along with every other candidate, agreed not to recognize the delegates when these penalties were issued. That, seems to be a huge contradiction? It would seem to me that, by her own words, she agreed to do something "wrong, and frankly Un-American" whole-heartedly. Now, because it might give her blind ambition a leg up in this race that's slipping away from her, she will go to any length to "protect the rights of the people of Florida and Michigan". What a load of BS. She's so transparent it's ridiculous.
I think the DNC let this get way too out of hand: I mean, were they so nieve to think it wasn't going to come to this?!?! I'm not saying I support the actions of Florida and Michigan, but the DNC risks pissing off all the moderates (or at least the voters in those two states) to the point that they go with McCain!!! I think Dean should be scolded as much as anyone else!!!!
Who cares? I am so tired of the Bush/Clinton dynasty, it literally makes me sick. I cannot be the only person, tired of the same people in the White House. And then some continue to wonder why nothing has changed. I say, blame yourselves for voting these folks into the White House – over and over again. Let’s move on and forward.
Without the re-vote it is unlikely that Sen.Clinton can catch Sen.Obama and impossible for her to pass him. If the tables where turned such that she had won 29 states, was leading in delegates and popular vote totals....would we be having this discussion? No! The discussion would center aournd why Sen. Obama has not gotten out of the race for the good of the democratic party. The Clinton's are willing to burn down the village in order to save!
I have been talking about a 50/50 split of Florida & Michigan delegates before it became popular in political circles. If no one can get behind this plan then let both States pay the consequenses for their actions. Have the super delegates get their votes out before the convention based on the candidate with the greatest number of elected delegates. Then allow MI & FL to seat their delegates and have them vote for the leader in elected delegates. Stop this ugly mess now and start deciding how to deal with John McCain.
With an "L" on her forehead.
Hillary lobbies for votes in an election that all agreed meant NO votes or delegates...
while Barack follows a landmark speech on race (yesterday) with a daring address about Iraq on the 5 year anniversary of this misbegotten war.
America, who's got their priorities straight?
Jack have you ever heard the saying , up s–t creek without a paddle?
I can just see it now. Florida has a revote. It's too close to call, so naturally it goes to the Supreme Court. And after much anticipation, the delegates are awarded to . . . John McCain.
Hopefully it leaves her realizing she needs to end her running for President. I think it's disgusting how she's bashing Obama, a fellow democrat. She needs to focus on the real problems here rather than tearing this party as well as the country apart. This is called the "United States," is it not? The Clinton machine must stop.
Hillary is exactly where she should be. It would have been unjust for the beauty contests in FL and MI to count. Hillary and Obama should agree to split the Florida and Michigan delegates equally just to avoid disenfranchisement.
Down a creek without a paddle so she can't come back !!!!
what a sad commentary on the reality of what it is to be american. Over 90% of the people posting have no real comment just an angry personal attack. I thought you all wanted to run a positive campaign a campaign of hope of change. Seems like all of you that have nasty comments to make should look at yourselves in the mirror and decide if you really believe in what you candidate is running on. As far as what right for the democratic party it seems that the "Democratic" thing to do is allow the process to take its course. No one ever said democracy was not messy. Remember this democracy elected Bush to a second term.
Had she blown out Obama on super tuesday I would totally support her, but she didn't and she wont win (simple math). And as a good progressive I just want to see a strong democratic candidate and a united party going into fall, but her willingness to savage Obama mercilessly for the next month knowing full well the real likelyhood is that he will be that candidate has totally alienated me, I do not consider her a good democrat, and if she somehow hoodwinks us and takes the nomination I would be the first to beg Obama to run as an independent, so that those of us who reject the stupid, self-destructive vanity of the babyboomer generation will still have someone to vote for.
She’ll be left as the desperate woman who could not hold her own ground, and without the revote!
P.S. I forgot to add this at the end of my previous comment.
The question should be were does that leave the Dem. party.Fla. and Mich. will not have a large voter turnout,giving McCain the pres.
Hillary is trying to win some delegates by a recoount that the hundred of thousands Obama supporters which voted onn the Republican promaries in Michigan, as the Demcratic was woid, are barred from voting, and that in June, many Students first voters, widely Obama
supporters, could not vote as by the rules, such voter must assist perdsonally at the polls, which they could not do, because of vacation.
Anyway, she cannot catch Obama's pledges delegates, and then
- oh surprise, now the VOTES DO NOT COUNT ANYMORE – she
will ask the superdekegates to overrule these.
Of course, what she is intending to do, is accuse OBAMA to have
negated the will of people in Michigan.
The Obama sdvisers are certainly not brillant, but they CANNOT BE
SO INCAPABLE AND NOT BE ABLE TO DISCOVER THIS TRAMSPARENT STRATEGY
Where does that leaves the Democrats, would be a better question, Jack...
Don't forget ur not suppose to be biass.....
Jack, please help those confused Americans understand the difference between the RIGHT to vote in a general election, as opposed to the PRIVILEGE to vote in a party primary.
The party decides how it will choose it's nominee; some states seem to think that they are the party dictators and change the rules on a whim. Next thing you know, Florida and Michigan will be arguing that they can have their presidential election a week before the rest of us. In the words of Hillary, they need to "get real."
Obama is stealing the delagates from Clinton! We have a theif in the White House now! We sure don't need another one! Give her her states Obama or we will vote for McCain!
Hillary would be left sitting on the curb, watching the parade and that would make me a very happy person. I'm so fed up with her promises, promises, promises, threats, threats, threats, B.S., B.S., B.S. etc. I personally can't stand to hear her voice.
Jack Hopefully it will leave Clinton out in the cold with her old buddy Spitzer.
She has a big mouth. I am tired of her threatening Obama that he will cause the Republicans to win, saying that McCain is better than Obama as a commander-in-chief, pointing her finger at Obama and bawling him out, making fun of Obama's patriotic idealism. And I am not a Bush supporter at all, but I do not think it is Hillary Clinton's place to ridicule Bush in order to win votes, after al the is a Congresswoman. She ought to be left out.
I think she has a point about. I wonder if anyone has thought about using statistics. Take a random sample of Democratic Voters, then award the percentage of delegates to the candidates.
I voted for Obama. If they award her delegates based on the primary votes, that would be unfair since we don't know what she or he would have gotten if the candidates had campaigned there.
St. Petersburg, FL
If neither Florida or Michigan revotes, it leaves Clinton where she would have been had both states approved a re-vote. She would remain the loser.
By the way, I have not seen voters in Michigan or Florida protesting in the streets or displaying any other sign of protest. So, obviously this is really only important for her.
She is trying to prolong the inevitable. Drop out, Hillary it is over and stop trying to put words in the mouths of voters!
Where is Hillary without a revote?
Where she is NOW.... whining and trying to change the rules to suit her "needs" she is all about "her" and not the needs of the American people–for goodness sake–you just said 2 million people potentially did not vote and on top of that Barack Obama's name was not even on the ballot in Michigan–Barack Obama followed the rules and is not asking for them to be changed-
Bottom line Jack, where is she without a revote? where she is now behind in pledged delegates.
Beeing a democrat, I did not vote in the January election because i knew my vote did not count. Regardless of a re-vote Hillary Clinton need to give it up and stop winning about Michigan and Florida. Regardles of a revote she could only about 55 % of the vote if that many
Who cares where it leaves her? She is going to be way to busy defending all those public records that FINALLY came to light. My guess is that she will be doing the cat box scratch trying to cover those little jewels up and she won't have time for much of anything else. My bet is that these files will be the talk of the town and might even fill all your airtime between now and the Nomination.
Hillary can do what any other rich New Yorker would do facing retirement: buy a nice property in Florida.
The heck with Hillary, where does that leave us - the voters in Florida? The Florida House of Representatives has a Republican majority......it was the Republicans that voted to move up the primary date. Here we are again.....with Florida votes not counting.
Fuhgedaboutit, Senator Clinton will lose her bid for the nomination without the delegates from Michigan and Florida. Clinton is correct in stating that the people of these two states MUST have a say in selecting the Democratic nominee. Senator Obama isn't holding things up. DNC here this: find a solution! Don't make me come over there.
As a Florida voter I am distrubed my vote will not be counted in the primaries...both Fl. and Michigan are entitled to revotes in spite of what Obama says. He's afraid Hillary will catch up to him with popular votes....c'mon media, treat each candidate fairly...he is not lthe mesiah. In fact, hasn't he shown extremely poor judgement in the way he handled lthe Rev. Wright situation!(?)
Where is Clinton left without a revote? She will join the rest of the world that has been subjected to the subject exclusion of democracy. America has established a regular application of irregular democracy accepting transgressions of dictators depending on how they fit in the "agenda". Rules are to be broken and rules are to be applied only when it serves the industrial military complex. By the way O'bama's going to win any how.
She can become Senate Majority Leader or Head of the Human Services and Health Division to work on Health care. Obama should let her have the health care project under his administration.
I'm from Temperance Michigan, and I want my vote!! We didn't cause this mess, our governor did. We weren't asked about moving the primary. At least in Florida, Obama had his name on the ticket. We didn't even have a choice to vote for him. We MUST have a a primary with both names on it. If we don't....we will have 4 more years of the same stuff we have had, cause McCain WILL win.
so hillary is already campaining in michagan before the revote has been aproved seems to me she is really trying hard to win this thing the wrong way this does show that her word is as good as gold
Jack I have watched and liked you for years but your outright dislike of Hillary Clinton is terrible . I thought journalists were to report. As a Canadian I see things a little differently than you. There should be a revote in Michigan and Florida because CNN has been so biased toward Barack Obama that she really needs the people to speak. I see a vote for Barack Obama as a vote for John McCain because I cannot see the American people as being ready for a black President no matter what CNN says.
Hillary would be up a creek without a paddle.
First runner up?
In last place. Right where she is now and deserves to be.
Most of MIchigan has taken the high road and not tried to blame someone else for their mistake. Florida Democrats think the Republicans cheated them out of their vote. You would think they would be used to that by now! Next time they have a chance to vote, maybe they should get rid of some of those Republican politicians. Where does all of this leave Hillary? Looking for another way to convince super delegates to sacrifice their political careers to make her the Democratic nominee.
It will leave Hillary behind in the numbers as she is right now and, of course, getting more vicious in her attacks of Obama. She will then go whinning to the super delegates and possibly get the nomination but lose the election because a large segment of the population will feel that their vote did not count and won't go out to vote. By the way, someone needs to check and see if Rush Limbaugh is back on his "happy pills' because some of his comments are just ludicrious.
I a Michigander and if my vote doesn't count now then "It will in November." when a a democratic vote is needed the most. Dean is playing God in a Democracy. He does not dictate my vote. Is he taking lessons from Chavez and the Castro Brothers? Dean has no foresight and it's this kind of rash dicision that Dean lost his bid for nomination.
Florida and Michigan should not be handled the same way. In Florida, there was a level playing field – no one campaigned, no one advertised and everyone was on the ballot. Additionally, you cannot recreate that day because of a major property tax referendum that was on the ballot here. The answer...count the January Florida results and fine the Florida Democratic Party. Hold the "do-over" in Michigan since not everyone was on the ballot. Do not dare to try to take away my vote...again.
Michigan and Florida did have a voice in this election. They decided to ignore the DNC to leave their primary where it has always been or lose the seats for their delegates. Change the rules before the game or after the game but never during the game. Does not matter if its monopoly or a run for president.
Well, well, well. The rules were established and both candidates agreed to the Fla. and Mich. primary issues established by the DNC. Now that Sen. Clinton is losing, the rules must be changed!?!?! The leadership of the DNC consist of smart people. They had to know this could happen. It smells of a conspi..............(I hate to use that word)
The suggestion that there were a lot of non voters in Florida is BS. The reason being, there was a very important property tax issue on the ballot and voters made a special effort to go to the poles.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Democratic committees in Florida and Michigan know in advance that if they broke the rules, their votes wouldn't count? So they broke the rules, their votes don't count. What's the problem? If the individuals in those states are upset with the outcome, their discontent should be directed at their state committee people, not the national committee. Aren't we all supposed to play by the rules?
It leaves her out in the cold where she should be. But don't worry, she will do anything and everything to win. Beg, borrow and steal. I actually sent money to support her senate candidacy – what a mistake!! Never, never again.
As a Florida Democrate who DID vote for Hillary Clinton when I was continually told "your vote won't count" I rebutted with "there are amendment(s) on the ballot so my voice needs to be heard!
If our votes don't count both I feel both Hillary and I are FLOCKED!
Jack: Why is it Barack can be so refreshing, and nice to listen to. He really makes me feel good, and positive. Hilliary on the other hand, is like a dictator lately, always looking for trouble, and I am sick and tired of her rhetoric. I wish she would bow out gracefully, as I can not listen to the woman anymore than I can listen to her husband.
Jack I have an idea that I am not sure how to handle. As I watch you daily, I am passing it along to you. To solve the delegate problem in Florida and Michigan, multiple pollsters should poll the voters, take an average of their results and allot delegates according to the results. Hopefully the Clinton and Obama campaigns would find this equitable.
Gibsonia, PA 15044
what's not being mentioned is the fact that before super tuesday Hillary said that Florida and Michigan were un-important. i have the exact quote saved on my DVR. CNN played it back then but refuse to play it now, i am not sure why. but it would put her in an awkward positionhaving to explain why back then she couldn't care less if voters where disinfranchised. also when she called for Florida to be counted as is did she care about the 2 million voters who didn't vote because they were told that their votes didn't count. i support a woman President, just not this woman.
Hillary should be congratulated for her relentless effort to change the rules in the middle of the game. Someone should remind her that she is not president Bush.
It leaves Ms. Clinton losing as the opportunist she is should and Mr. Obama winning as the man of integrity he is should.
For all you people who say that Mr. Obama should just let the votes stand since they will not affect the outcome I have a simple answer. MR. OBAMA FOLLOWS THE RULES! he has not said he does not want a recount he HAS said he will follow whatever the DNC decides and he has simply pointed out some possible problems with the solutions given. He has LOOKED at the proposed solutions BEFORE deciding on them (something Ms. Clinton does not do –> see Iraq war authorization) and showed where problems might exist. Same thing he did when he found a proplem with legislation he worked on in Illinois, no blind acceptance if there was a concern but he agreed with the principle he cast a present vote.. meaning yes he agreed with the concept of the legislation but felt it was poorly written (a COMMON practice in IL but something the Clintonistas have not bothered to look at). It means he has integrity and stands by the rules as written.
Hillary is trying to change the rules made be the DNC in her desparate bid to steal the nomination. She should do all of us a favor and exit. The DNC set the rules, she agreed to them until they didn't suit her. Hillary is shooting herself in the foot with her multiple personas, demands and her opinion she is the annoited one.
Right where she's been, and her husband, and the Bush family – looking for a way around the rules or a way to get away ignoring or breaking them so she can have what she feels she deserves. I received an email from a friend in Michigan just before their vote asking what to do as the person she wanted wasn't on the ballot. She hadn't realized what was going on. I think they need to do a revote. I don't think they should be allowed to seat the delegates in a vote that was not legitimate according to their own party's rules, but I do think their vote counts and should be counted. The only way to do that is through a revote. Play by the rules and let the votes fall as they may. It doesn't matter if the vote is for Hillary or Barack as long as it's legitimate.
Where are people getting this misconception that Obama is against seating the delegates
He is not!
He is for seating the delegates, and seating the delegates in a fair way that complies with the party rules
I respect that alot because you cant change the game when u want to have it your way
If the votes are not counted, which I hope they're not, it leaves Hillary in the same position she's in now, which is having to fight it fair and square. She thinks she's entitled to have the rules changed for HER benefit, but we know if it weren't to her advantage she could care less. She's such a master manipulator. But her polarizing tactics won't get her very far. Look at her, she would sell Bill and Chelsea if it meant she would win.
Jack, I don't know where that will leave Hillary, but it would really leave me beyond speechless if once, just once, you asked a question about Obama that remotely treated him the way you treat Hillary Clinton on a daily basis. If Hillary had a spiritual advisor of 20 years that spewed the filth that came out of the Reverend Wright's mouth about this country, you would have wasted no time in getting you meat hooks into her for that. Yet we hear nothing, NOTHING, from you about Obama for this poor judgment on Rev. Wright, Rezko, etc.
Jack, if Obama had won those states, we would no doubt be hearing from you asking us to give our opinion whether the voters in Florida and Michigan should lose their Constitutional right to vote. Something along the lines of: Should the millions of voters in Florida and Michigan be disenfranchised because of a bad decision by a few politicians in their state?
Life just wouldn't be the same if you weren't bashing Hillary, would it, Jack?
I can't speak for the other 49 states, but I can promise you that McCain will win Texas if Obama is the nominee. McCain will probably win Florida and Michagan too if their votes will not be counted by the Democratic party.
Come November when this is all over and we have President McCain, we can thank the biased media like you for it.
This is vintage Hillary – playing the victim and blaming someone else. It is divisive and will not accomplish anything. She agreed to the rules, signed a document, and now wants to change the rules because she's losing. Is this what we want in our next President?
If Americans become less aware of the war in Iraq we are more likely to elect McCain. I can't think of anything more dangerous than that.
Hillary Clinton is definitely a "change agent". We can certainly see that... She has "changed" her tones, rhetoric and states-of-mind more times that a chameleon changes its colors to evade being eaten.
She's probably somewhere preparing her next change. She has touts her foreign experience and knowledge, I vote she change to "invisible", disappear...go to one of the countries that she has stated that she's aided the most execute some visible world reknown
change... "go change artist!!!
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