Comments on: Obama changing race relations? http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/obama-changing-race-relations/ Tell Jack how you really feel Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:00:35 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Chandra http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/obama-changing-race-relations/#comment-13292 Chandra Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:58:32 +0000 http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/obama-changing-race-relations/#comment-13292 The Democrats and The Republicans are running for “CHANGE”!!! What is this thing call “Change”? What will it change; from and to what: Democracy to “Cultural Diversity and Diversify??? Under “Cultural Diversity” a woman’s right to Vote, Marry, have Children, be employed, earn an income, own a home, voice opinions, communicate…etc. are all Defunct. A woman must first “gain/ask for permission” to be afford such rights. But, gaining permission comes with a process call “stringent guidelines” which is undisclosed and unpublished. This then makes a woman’s choice for freedom, under Cultural Diversity”, null. The question is: how is it that Sen. H. R. Clinton’s freedom for Democracy has not changed to “Cultural Diversity/Diversify” under “CHANGE” and what “Stringent Guidelines” does she have that is undisclosed to afford her the Rights to seek higher Political Office and expand her Career Goals and endeavors??? In addition, the voters who voted for her, why are they not “Cultural Diversify”???? Besides, for the record, Sen. H. R. Clinton has no “track experiences” in politics; her only political office is having the position of Senator of New York, which she bullied her way into. She is demonstrating her position for change by being derelict in her responsibilities to her job position and requirements. She is unfocused as to her responsibilities to New York State. Further, it was not Sen. H. R. Clinton’s place/job to change The Health Care System when her husband (ex-President Clinton) was in Office. She had no political position at that time, only being a wife to a president of the United States. She was confused then as to her job/position/title then and she is more confused as to her job title/responsibilities/ position/functions to New York State now. When Ex-President Bill Clinton took the platform in New Hampshire, he spoke as a person who has qualifications and experiences for what the Job will require. As an expert in Politics and the Oval Office, he denounced all male from the position; he denounced all Democrat Candidates from the position, he called for “CHANGE”. Well, to analyze this: He wants a Republican, a Woman, and change from a white person to a minority. This would be the Ultimate Change... Who will fit this type of CHANGE he is calling for? Ms. C. Jugmohan The Democrats and The Republicans are running for “CHANGE”!!!

What is this thing call “Change”? What will it change; from and to what: Democracy to “Cultural Diversity and Diversify???

Under “Cultural Diversity” a woman’s right to Vote, Marry, have Children, be employed, earn an income, own a home, voice opinions, communicate…etc. are all Defunct.

A woman must first “gain/ask for permission” to be afford such rights. But, gaining permission comes with a process call “stringent guidelines” which is undisclosed and unpublished. This then makes a woman’s choice for freedom, under Cultural Diversity”, null.

The question is: how is it that Sen. H. R. Clinton’s freedom for Democracy has not changed to “Cultural Diversity/Diversify” under “CHANGE” and what “Stringent Guidelines” does she have that is undisclosed to afford her the Rights to seek higher Political Office and expand her Career Goals and endeavors???

In addition, the voters who voted for her, why are they not “Cultural Diversify”???? Besides, for the record, Sen. H. R. Clinton has no “track experiences” in politics; her only political office is having the position of Senator of New York, which she bullied her way into. She is demonstrating her position for change by being derelict in her responsibilities to her job position and requirements. She is unfocused as to her responsibilities to New York State.

Further, it was not Sen. H. R. Clinton’s place/job to change The Health Care System when her husband (ex-President Clinton) was in Office. She had no political position at that time, only being a wife to a president of the United States. She was confused then as to her job/position/title then and she is more confused as to her job title/responsibilities/ position/functions to New York State now.

When Ex-President Bill Clinton took the platform in New Hampshire, he spoke as a person who has qualifications and experiences for what the Job will require. As an expert in Politics and the Oval Office, he denounced all male from the position; he denounced all Democrat Candidates from the position, he called for “CHANGE”.

Well, to analyze this: He wants a Republican, a Woman, and change from a white person to a minority. This would be the Ultimate Change... Who will fit this type of CHANGE he is calling for? Ms. C. Jugmohan

]]> By: Samson http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/obama-changing-race-relations/#comment-13286 Samson Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:42:19 +0000 http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/obama-changing-race-relations/#comment-13286 Phil Lee, Why are you so angry? Would you rather slavery still exist? What short end of the stick? Was your grand-father denied an education? How about his father?, or his father? Could either of them have opened an interest bearing savings account?, How about buy and own a house or property? Have they always been able to participate in the democratic process and decide who determined their fates in America? If they had the money could they have started a business? Could they have purchased property for that business in the best and most lucretive neighborhoods? Could they have gotten a loan from the bank or the government? Could they have been successful, and have lived secure without threats of reprisals from unseen hooded terrorists? How much black do you have in you? Is that by choice or was your female ancestors the ones raped and savaged drunken old men? Have you ever seen a post card with one of your ancestor burning in front of laughing women and children drinking Iced tea? Your ancestors had every opportunity to make their lives better without the weight of hatred and the fear of a savage death, so why are you angry again?. Like yourself, they probally spent more time trying to convince themselves blacks were undeserving of equality rather than trying to make a living and/ or future for themselves and their families. Give my hard-working, humble, and faithfully spiritual ancestors 1/3 the opportunity your ancestors had America would be all the better for it. How dare you, the audacity of your ignorance is beyond childishness to think that you deserve special treatment or consideration. My ancestors built this country for free, gave legs to this infant economy through the blood of their hands and feet, and you feel as though you who have not given anything has the right to say enough is enough. You sound like a Islamic fundamentalist or Kim jung Il from North Korea. Certainly not an American. If 14% of this population with nearly 40% of that population currently incarerated and nearly 60% without a college education or any significant job training threatens your well being then the most likely reason for that has nothing to do with African Americans but rather yourself and what you choose to occupy your time with. Let someone read over your comments first, and watch their facial expression, your are a minority in this country at present, America has changed please catch up and leave 1960 in 1960 Generation X, In private, away from your negativity your children would agree with me as well as your wife. Get counseling Phil Lee,

Why are you so angry? Would you rather slavery still exist? What short end of the stick? Was your grand-father denied an education? How about his father?, or his father? Could either of them have opened an interest bearing savings account?, How about buy and own a house or property? Have they always been able to participate in the democratic process and decide who determined their fates in America? If they had the money could they have started a business? Could they have purchased property for that business in the best and most lucretive neighborhoods? Could they have gotten a loan from the bank or the government? Could they have been successful, and have lived secure without threats of reprisals from unseen hooded terrorists? How much black do you have in you? Is that by choice or was your female ancestors the ones raped and savaged drunken old men? Have you ever seen a post card with one of your ancestor burning in front of laughing women and children drinking Iced tea?

Your ancestors had every opportunity to make their lives better without the weight of hatred and the fear of a savage death, so why are you angry again?. Like yourself, they probally spent more time trying to convince themselves blacks were undeserving of equality rather than trying to make a living and/ or future for themselves and their families.

Give my hard-working, humble, and faithfully spiritual ancestors 1/3 the opportunity your ancestors had America would be all the better for it. How dare you, the audacity of your ignorance is beyond childishness to think that you deserve special treatment or consideration. My ancestors built this country for free, gave legs to this infant economy through the blood of their hands and feet, and you feel as though you who have not given anything has the right to say enough is enough. You sound like a Islamic fundamentalist or Kim jung Il from North Korea. Certainly not an American. If 14% of this population with nearly 40% of that population currently incarerated and nearly 60% without a college education or any significant job training threatens your well being then the most likely reason for that has nothing to do with African Americans but rather yourself and what you choose to occupy your time with.

Let someone read over your comments first, and watch their facial expression, your are a minority in this country at present, America has changed please catch up and leave 1960 in 1960

Generation X,
In private, away from your negativity your children would agree with me as well as your wife. Get counseling

]]> By: Samson http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/obama-changing-race-relations/#comment-13270 Samson Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:02:05 +0000 http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/obama-changing-race-relations/#comment-13270 As an African American I do think that the manner in which younger Americans view race has changed significantly from those of their grand-parents. However, Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson should not be discarded as relics of the past. Obama's open-minded "We as Americans" point of view is consistent with his study of Constitutional law, speaking in terms of Constitutional based politics Obama is "conservative" in his understanding of of this country's manual and how we should view each other as American citizens. His social policies however, may be viewed differently by some. While racism still exists in American society racism in general in this country primarily exists within a systemic context as of today. The opinions and subsequent policies of older generations did consider race differently than the youth of today. It is because of those policies decisions that spokesmen like Sharpton and Jackson fight their legitimate fight for the disenfranchised. Consider the changes adopted by the supreme court in regards to the Reagan's administrations mandatory minimum sentencing guidelines which were disproportunately aimed at punishing jobless, uneducated, 3rd, 4th, and 5th generation inner city youths more severely than many murderers and child rapists for non-violent, victimless, economic based drug-crimes. 13.4% of the American population is of African decent and of that 13+% more than 35% of voting age African American males have been denied there right to vote indefinately after paying their debt to society for those drug crimes, this is clearly systemic racism, and not the only incident. America is getting better and all true Americans should appreciate that, however there is a ways to go. There is a reason why inner city communities are predominately African American and Hispanic and those reasons are not the same all the members of one of those groups are here legally and have been from the beginning. Do not attempt to sell Obama as the norm he is not only a great African American, he is first and foremost an extrordinary American, who has dedicated his life to the rule of law which makes our country great. Many will attempt to claim that everything is all well in terms of race relations if we as a group elect a "black" president in Nov. Those with a firmer more realistic grip on reality will know better. The wealth gap, education gap, employment gap, family gap, crime gap, housing gap, healthcare gap, are not completely products of the "morality gap" conservatives and some liberals like Cosby, and Stein often attest to. Actualizing the promise of America heals the wounds of history in that individual, however the accomplishments of an exceptional few does not have that same effect on the entire group, nor does that accomplishment speak of the "free giving will" of America, but rather the exceptional nature of that individual and his resiliance in pursuit of his dreams and goals. The support of the African Americans community is not a zero-sum game where its either Obama or Sharpton/Jackson, as the media would have you all believe. Obama's multi-cultural America can certainly heal the social-economic damage of many African American communities caused by centuries of racism, bad policies, intolerance, ignorance, and hatred, but it will require much effort and an open and honest analysis of where government failed to protect their pursuits of liberty and happiness, as well as careful consideration of what the role of government should and would be in addressing the resolution of those issues. Whereas I cannot see Sharpton/Jackson as being capable of having this conversation with the American people, I feel that Obama can, I am certain he can remove the identity politics from the conversation and address what could possibly be achieved by working together. I am not willing to accept that the disproportional achievements in this country are simply due to "eugenics" or "inherent immorality" and I doubt that anyone who disagress with these comments could stand up in public and make that claim. I am insulted that many feel as though the "race card" is some trvialized cop-out, and yet remain completely ignorant of how many aspects of so called "traditional" governance systemically affects some groups differently. Individual accountability follows equal opportunity and equal treatment without equality everything else is a mute point. If America is not a group equal Americans, then America is a still a wild un-cultivated wilderness, and people will become cowboy's who make their own estates whether on the plains of the Mid West or within the inner cities of the east and west coast. That is American as apple pie As an African American I do think that the manner in which younger Americans view race has changed significantly from those of their grand-parents. However, Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson should not be discarded as relics of the past. Obama's open-minded "We as Americans" point of view is consistent with his study of Constitutional law, speaking in terms of Constitutional based politics Obama is "conservative" in his understanding of of this country's manual and how we should view each other as American citizens. His social policies however, may be viewed differently by some. While racism still exists in American society racism in general in this country primarily exists within a systemic context as of today. The opinions and subsequent policies of older generations did consider race differently than the youth of today. It is because of those policies decisions that spokesmen like Sharpton and Jackson fight their legitimate fight for the disenfranchised. Consider the changes adopted by the supreme court in regards to the Reagan's administrations mandatory minimum sentencing guidelines which were disproportunately aimed at punishing jobless, uneducated, 3rd, 4th, and 5th generation inner city youths more severely than many murderers and child rapists for non-violent, victimless, economic based drug-crimes. 13.4% of the American population is of African decent and of that 13+% more than 35% of voting age African American males have been denied there right to vote indefinately after paying their debt to society for those drug crimes, this is clearly systemic racism, and not the only incident. America is getting better and all true Americans should appreciate that, however there is a ways to go. There is a reason why inner city communities are predominately African American and Hispanic and those reasons are not the same all the members of one of those groups are here legally and have been from the beginning. Do not attempt to sell Obama as the norm he is not only a great African American, he is first and foremost an extrordinary American, who has dedicated his life to the rule of law which makes our country great. Many will attempt to claim that everything is all well in terms of race relations if we as a group elect a "black" president in Nov. Those with a firmer more realistic grip on reality will know better. The wealth gap, education gap, employment gap, family gap, crime gap, housing gap, healthcare gap, are not completely products of the "morality gap" conservatives and some liberals like Cosby, and Stein often attest to. Actualizing the promise of America heals the wounds of history in that individual, however the accomplishments of an exceptional few does not have that same effect on the entire group, nor does that accomplishment speak of the "free giving will" of America, but rather the exceptional nature of that individual and his resiliance in pursuit of his dreams and goals. The support of the African Americans community is not a zero-sum game where its either Obama or Sharpton/Jackson, as the media would have you all believe. Obama's multi-cultural America can certainly heal the social-economic damage of many African American communities caused by centuries of racism, bad policies, intolerance, ignorance, and hatred, but it will require much effort and an open and honest analysis of where government failed to protect their pursuits of liberty and happiness, as well as careful consideration of what the role of government should and would be in addressing the resolution of those issues. Whereas I cannot see Sharpton/Jackson as being capable of having this conversation with the American people, I feel that Obama can, I am certain he can remove the identity politics from the conversation and address what could possibly be achieved by working together. I am not willing to accept that the disproportional achievements in this country are simply due to "eugenics" or "inherent immorality" and I doubt that anyone who disagress with these comments could stand up in public and make that claim. I am insulted that many feel as though the "race card" is some trvialized cop-out, and yet remain completely ignorant of how many aspects of so called "traditional" governance systemically affects some groups differently. Individual accountability follows equal opportunity and equal treatment without equality everything else is a mute point. If America is not a group equal Americans, then America is a still a wild un-cultivated wilderness, and people will become cowboy's who make their own estates whether on the plains of the Mid West or within the inner cities of the east and west coast. That is American as apple pie

]]> By: Tom, Boston Ma http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/obama-changing-race-relations/#comment-13210 Tom, Boston Ma Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:11:19 +0000 http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/obama-changing-race-relations/#comment-13210 the comments on this blog proves: there are two groups of Obama supporters: 1) the mainstream (reagan democrats, self-styled substance-less independents, and moderate republicans) 2) liberals who believe Obama is promising significant change in foreign policies. the second group may be in for a big disappointment. Obama won't make it to the WH if his foreign policies are indeed too different from the current (and long-established) ones. if he does make it, it will be because his policies are NOT significantly different from the status quo. real change doesn't come with one electioneering campaign. it can only come with real change in the hearts and minds of the people. it takes real time and real efforts. the comments on this blog proves:
there are two groups of Obama supporters:
1) the mainstream (reagan democrats, self-styled substance-less independents, and moderate republicans)
2) liberals who believe Obama is promising significant change in foreign policies.

the second group may be in for a big disappointment. Obama won't make it to the WH if his foreign policies are indeed too different from the current (and long-established) ones. if he does make it, it will be because his policies are NOT significantly different from the status quo.

real change doesn't come with one electioneering campaign. it can only come with real change in the hearts and minds of the people. it takes real time and real efforts.

]]> By: Lola http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/obama-changing-race-relations/#comment-13203 Lola Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:55:07 +0000 http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/obama-changing-race-relations/#comment-13203 Can anyone honestly elect this man President of the United States of America? I had heard about this but a picture is definitely worth 1000 words! God save us!!! Respect Senator Barack Obama, Governor Bill Richardson, Senator Hillary Clinton and Ruth Harkin stand during the national anthem. Barack Hussein Obama's photo (that's his real name)......the article said he REFUSED TO NOT ONLY PUT HIS HAND ON HIS HEART DURING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, BUT REFUSED TO SAY THE PLEDGE.....how in the hell can a man like this expect to be our next Commander-in-Chief???? The picture that goes with this will not show up on here. You probably already have seen it. He refuses to wear a pin of OUR FLAG on his lable, so I can see him not doing the pledge also. Can we trust him???? Can anyone honestly elect this man President of the United States of America?
I had heard about this but a picture is definitely worth 1000 words! God save us!!!

Respect
Senator Barack Obama, Governor Bill Richardson, Senator Hillary Clinton and Ruth Harkin stand during the national anthem.
Barack Hussein Obama's photo (that's his real name)......the article said he REFUSED TO NOT ONLY PUT HIS HAND ON HIS HEART DURING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, BUT REFUSED TO SAY THE PLEDGE.....how in the hell can a man like this expect to be our next Commander-in-Chief????

The picture that goes with this will not show up on here. You probably already have seen it. He refuses to wear a pin of OUR FLAG on his lable, so I can see him not doing the pledge also. Can we trust him????

]]> By: Teresa Boudrie RN, CEN http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/obama-changing-race-relations/#comment-12705 Teresa Boudrie RN, CEN Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:53:54 +0000 http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/obama-changing-race-relations/#comment-12705 Hey Jack, I think O'bama has changed the American political scene. The problem I have with O'bama is the lack of respect he shows for our military, active duty and retired. I work for the military and all I hear from them is how O'bama shoves his hands in his pockets when the National Anthem is played or the Pledge of Allegiance is said. The American Soldier deserves all the respect we can give, especially from someone wanting to be their Commander in Chief. Teresa, Springville,Tennessee Hey Jack,

I think O'bama has changed the American political scene. The problem I have with O'bama is the lack of respect he shows for our military, active duty and retired. I work for the military and all I hear from them is how O'bama shoves his hands in his pockets when the National Anthem is played or the Pledge of Allegiance is said. The American Soldier deserves all the respect we can give, especially from someone wanting to be their Commander in Chief.

Teresa,
Springville,Tennessee

]]> By: Eric http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/obama-changing-race-relations/#comment-12666 Eric Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:38:21 +0000 http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/obama-changing-race-relations/#comment-12666 I think that Obama's success in Iowa shows that voters (at least in Iowa) care less about "race" than they do about other issues. I hope it shows that "race" is becoming less and less important to voters, as it should. For those who still feel that people won't vote for Obama because of his "race," I wonder if there is an area that is 95% black and would vote for the one white candidate in a field of black candidates. I think that Obama's success in Iowa shows that voters (at least in Iowa) care less about "race" than they do about other issues. I hope it shows that "race" is becoming less and less important to voters, as it should. For those who still feel that people won't vote for Obama because of his "race," I wonder if there is an area that is 95% black and would vote for the one white candidate in a field of black candidates.

]]> By: Ash http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/obama-changing-race-relations/#comment-11904 Ash Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:18:01 +0000 http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/obama-changing-race-relations/#comment-11904 "Fox News reports a lot of big-time black celebrities haven’t announced their support of Obama yeT, people like Spike Lee, Denzel Washington, Quincy Jones, BET Chairman and founder Robert Johnson, Motown founder Berry Gordy Jr., authors Maya Angelou and Toni Morrison, and rappers “Diddy” and “Jay Z.” " .......who cares??? I am 23 years old and I listen to Jay Z and Toni Morrison is one of my favorite authors of all time but should it really matter if they support Obama. What are their reasons for them supporting him and why are all of these supporters African American and being advertised by the media? I feel more than anything the media is making this a race issue. "Fox News reports a lot of big-time black celebrities haven’t announced their support of Obama yeT, people like Spike Lee, Denzel Washington, Quincy Jones, BET Chairman and founder Robert Johnson, Motown founder Berry Gordy Jr., authors Maya Angelou and Toni Morrison, and rappers “Diddy” and “Jay Z.” "

.......who cares??? I am 23 years old and I listen to Jay Z and Toni Morrison is one of my favorite authors of all time but should it really matter if they support Obama. What are their reasons for them supporting him and why are all of these supporters African American and being advertised by the media? I feel more than anything the media is making this a race issue.

]]> By: tj henderson texas http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/obama-changing-race-relations/#comment-11901 tj henderson texas Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:08:45 +0000 http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/obama-changing-race-relations/#comment-11901 obama was sounding alot like martin luther king.,.,the dream thing.,.,n some jesse jackson,.hes a positive help to stop decrimanation of race ,.now we need someone to stop the descrimanation of the sexes.,granny tj obama was sounding alot like martin luther king.,.,the dream thing.,.,n some jesse jackson,.hes a positive help to stop decrimanation of race ,.now we need someone to stop the descrimanation of the sexes.,granny tj

]]> By: Terrence http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/obama-changing-race-relations/#comment-11884 Terrence Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:52:00 +0000 http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/obama-changing-race-relations/#comment-11884 Senator Obama's candidacy speaks to Yes We Can and represents American Multiculturism at its finest. That's the Real Diverse America! Senator Obama's candidacy speaks to Yes We Can and represents American Multiculturism at its finest. That's the Real Diverse America!

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